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Why did you revert the change?
You say "subjective writing, no quotes used". I used the same expressions as in the article, but paraphrased. Read it yourself. --134.93.78.76 (talk) 09:19, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
When last editing the chapter and episode list, I have been only adding release dates and reverted the anon's name change. However, they continued going on and I haven't been paying attention to the lists.Tintor2 (talk) 18:40, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
I've been trying to fix everything on the page, getting rid of bad formatting, and making sure that the proper romanizations are used. Suì-Fēng happens to be the one for Soifon.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:23, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
It's good. Personally, I like that it contains the chapters from each volume. Maybe a discussion in the project could be good. I started doing it in the Naruto list, as it was so big that loading times were relatively longer. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 15:39, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, loading times depend more on template usage than on plain size. Still, your changes caused a speedup of around 5 seconds (from 20.640 to 15.351). By the way, did you look at the source? I created two new templates to make things yet easier. Goodraise15:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
The article already has a large number amount of images and one that shows only two characters may not be helpful. Also the six Pains' image could also be removed to avoid further copyvio.Tintor2 (talk) 15:18, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
ANd you went against consensus anyways, even if it was after. That's like reverting something everyone already agreed with because it wasn't originally discussed before the bold edit. It could even be considered something similar to BRD but more like BDR (but against consensus).Bread Ninja (talk) 00:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I hadn't checked the page, but what was the specific reason for that? Even more, none of the links to such page were fixed.Tintor2 (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
It was a small consensus, and i made the discussion as active as possible.Reason was, there was no reason to be specific for "manga volume" if theres no other kind of "volume". basically no need to make things that specific.Bread Ninja (talk) 00:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Squall Leonhart shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule, or that you may have already broken it. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Breaking the three-revert rule often leads to a block. If you wish to avoid being blocked, instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to discuss the changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. You may still be blocked for edit warring even if you do not exceed the technical limit of the three-revert rule if your behavior indicates that you intend to continue to revert repeatedly.
For what it's worth, I agree that "protagonist" is more appropriate than "hero", but this needs to be worked out at the talk page, not through reverting. rʨanaɢ (talk) 19:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Removed the other media image and expanded the caption for the Part II image. I found one sketch that talked about Naruto's Part II design but I don't know if it would more suitable.Tintor2 (talk) 15:47, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I did some copy edits to the description at User talk:Tintor2/ draft. Here are further comments:
The second sentences seems awkward. Maybe change "featured most of the times wearing" to "frequently wears".
The "following his graduation" part confuses me. Does it apply to the jumpsuit and the head band or just the head band? If the latter, maybe move that part to earlier in the sentence with commas, "and, following his graduation, a headband representing him as a ninja from Konohagakure."
The statement "shows minor changes in his body" seems to conflict with the preceding statement, "able to maintain his human form". Not sure what to suggestion though.
The last sentence doesn't make sense to me, and I'm not sure what to suggest. I think it is the "no mean" part.
Extra copy edits never hurt. If you plan to go for GAN, then it might be fine without. If you plan to go for anything higher, then yes, another copy edit is in order. (Guyinblack25talk14:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC))
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The sections are not the only reason of a fail. The language and inadequate clarity of jargon like Part II, chakra is also a major reason of fail. Thus, it needed a rewrite in this aspect too. If you think that the article can be a GA as it is. Please approach GA reassessment. Thanks. --RedtigerxyzTalk03:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Having read the GAN, I have to say that I don't think the article should have failed so quickly. I disagree with the need for excess fictional details, which can often be summarized for simplicity and length. And I think the examples given give undue weight to the subject's fictional details. Valid issues were brought up (like a more consideration for the layman), but typically a week is given to address issues. The only item that qualified for quick fail was the fact tag, which the reviewed added 17 minutes before failing the GAN. I say there are grounds for a reassessment. Though, it might be easier to get the article copy edited and renominate it. (Guyinblack25talk22:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC))
Thank you for your support and a Merry (belated) Christmas to you as well. You had asked me last year if I had the Mega Man Official Complete Works books for information regarding the Mega Man Legends articles. Well, I got the the original and X books (obviously or the development sections all the MM article would be pretty poor) but they have no information on the Legends series. However, there are some Japan-exclusive DASHbooks you could tap if you have the time. This page has some links to some translations if you're interested. ~ Hibana (talk) 20:47, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Can you please give your source from where you assumed the anime had 5 seasons and grouped them as such? The new season order that you placed conflicts with the article and the sources, either fix those things and give sources for the new order or revert the changes so that the sources, article and season order reflect each other. By the way those articles (including the article on individual seasons) were once considered as featured article and the edits you have made doesn't go with the other info. Personally I think the previous 1-9 season order was correct and since at that time it was approved for FA, I have no reasons to believe otherwise but if you have some proofs that the new 1-5 season order is the right one, then I would definitely like to hear that and if not then please correct them all asap.117.197.241.202 (talk) 06:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I cant seem to find the source you are talking about for the new order. I only see sources that states season 1 has 1-52 episodes and since the anime has been fully adapted in English, the seasons should be ordered by English ordering as this is English site.117.197.241.202 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
The only source I see that contradicts with VIZ's season order is IGN's season order, which says the season has 26 episodes but since it is not a reliable source as I think that is user based I don't think we should consider it and since viz has released season box set, we should go with it. See this template {{Japanese episode list}}, as stated in it, we should first consider a Japanese or English season box sets for season order but if that fails we should go with opening and closing theme song changes but if that also fails the list should be broken with each season containing approximately 26 episodes, and I think the previous list was done by breaking each season into 26 episodes since at that time season box sets were not available but now the case is different and we have season box set so the list should be arranged according to it. I can help you to correct it if we have achieved consensus. 117.197.241.202 (talk) 18:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
OK it keeps Vandailsm It Revert Edits North Amercian's Release Date is March 13, 2012
I Don-t Know How Protect Page Thanks Joeblanc98 (talk) 05, January 2012 21:29 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 02:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC).
Listing this information is not pushing into game guide territory. The Tarot motif is central to the games and is an important aspect. You made a bold edit, and I partially reverted it. Instead of reverting me entirely and doing a whole additional series of edits that go against the established form of the pages, it would be best to raise your issues on the talk page.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
You reverted addition of other sources and fixes just for the addition of what is each character's social link so I had to revert such edit. First of all there is no explanation to what is a social link in the article. They don't help explain the character's motives or traits, so how are general readers supposed to need such information. They only explain what new fusion will be better in the game, which sounds more like game guide content rather than description of the characters.Tintor2 (talk) 23:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
I put the references back in. And the social link content is central to the game and the social links type often directly correlates to the characters' personality by means of the Tarot interpretations.—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
But it's still OR and completely unreferenced. Moreover, there is no need for trivia when the actual section is supposed to describe the major traits. The social links are still unexplained and they are better for the gameplay section of the games.Tintor2 (talk) 23:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
It is not OR when it is explicitly stated in the games. And I've introduced prose describing Social Links so please do not remove it, again. And it is not trivial because the whole Tarot theme is central to the games.—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
It may be central to the game but not to the characters (how is the general reader going to find that Ai's social link is the Moon?). And it still remains as unverified information.And don't use capitals for edit summaries.Tintor2 (talk) 23:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Why do you think the article is tagged for lack of references? Moreover, you still did not make it clear why the arcana are important for the character list. It may be a central part of the game, but so is the weather. This a character list, and information here should be about the characters, not how the game works. So please stop making those edits without taking those things into account.Tintor2 (talk) 13:21, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh dear.... We already said lots of time it's a central part of the game, but not why they are important for the character themselves. Bringing other character lists who are requiring work is just other stuff and is not valid argument. As I said the mentioning of arcanas in the list is confusing and unexplained to the reader, and don't make a single impact to the characters. If you had already a source to cite the next episode's airdate, why didn't you add it to begin? Never add unsourced information to the articles.Tintor2 (talk) 00:27, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Could you not copy-edit the Persona 4 episode list? You are removing things that interconnect with other episodes (Yuuta seeing Nanako in her costume in episode 13 is the reason he fights with Kaneko in episode 14; and Nanako comes across all of the people we see in episode 14, so mentioning Shu in some manner is important) and things that are otherwise relevant (the reason why Rise chooses the night club in episode 15; why Kanji is keeping everyone from helping Naoto in episode 16). I'm not even sure if you've even seen the programs to determine what information is relevant to the plot or not. So could you leave the copy-editing to Jinnai, who has been doing a bang up job of it?—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:22, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
I removed for reasons already stated. None of episodes 13's sentences are explained in the 14th's summary. Rise's reason is not completely explained and shows no relevance to the summary as well as Kanji's claim. I have seen the episodes and none of the sentences I removed have clear connections with other ones. Think about the reader's idea when trying to read sentences like "a boy sees Nanako" and then it jumps straight to another scene rather than telling every detail.Tintor2 (talk) 01:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
The Yuuta seeing Nanako as Loveline thing is mentioned in the episode 14 summary. The event concerning Shu is a problem to tie in, but the two episodes are interconnected. And Rise's reason is because of the events of Persona 3 where a Shadow causes a major blackout. Everything in episode 15 ties in with Persona 3 so I do not know why you keep removing the link to the other page there.—Ryulong (竜龙) 02:37, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
And you added more pointless weight just for the sake of connecting with another summary. That is the reason why the summaries require copyediting. Every summary should stand on its own. Just by claiming "there is no context for THIS episode", it's more obvious that it's pointless for the episode. And the link was removed cause it links to a video game, not an article or section about Tatsumi Port Island which is already incorrect.Tintor2 (talk) 18:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
I do not know why you removed it, but I have restored the table on the Persona 4 Arena article. It is not necessary to have all of that exposition in prose when a tabular format provides the information in a clearer and more coherent matter. Also, the information on the Personas thecharacters is important to the game, even though you suggest it is not important to the article, as it is the name of the game. And also, the prose as you wrote it suggests that the three Persona 3 characters use their initial Personas from the game, rather than the ones that are listed on the official website and are supported by all of the reliable sources.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I saw your edit. The fighting game is inherently different from the other Persona pages so we should treat it as a fighting game, or at least provide the information in a way that isn't bogged down in prose.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
It does not make sense to not list the playable characters just because we have an image that features the same content. I just find that the way you are doing it in prose with citations for each one to be not as easy to convey the information as a bulleted list or table would.—Ryulong (竜龙) 21:54, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I said that only as an alternative. All the characters are already shown in the article but in prose and have a little more context than the bulleted one which uses the same citations for each of them. That's how all other video game articles reference the characters in prose.Tintor2 (talk) 21:58, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
If not how about expanding the character descriptions such as "Naoto Shirogane, a well-known young detective who uses the Persona ; Aigis, a cyborg who uses the Persona;" etc.? All the Persona 3 characters have their biographies updated from their sources and could be incorporated into the section.Tintor2 (talk) 00:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
