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User talk:Thinker78/Archives/2023
User:JayBeeEll and no contactUser:JayBeeEll, per WP:NOBAN (a guideline), "If an editor asks you not to edit their user pages, such requests should, within reason, be respected. However, editors should not make such requests lightly, especially concerning their talk pages, as doing so can impede the ordinary communication which is important for the improvement and smooth running of the project." I often contact editors in theit talk pages. I don't have much interaction with you and as such I don't remember you nor your request. After you made your request and as long as I remembered, I avoided writing in your talk page. But I won't be having a note to check every time I write in the talk page of another editor just because your request. If by chance I happen to stumble in some situation where you are involved, I will try to avoid your talk page, but within reason and if I remember you. You are just telling editors who make complaints about you or similar disputes not to write in your talk page, which I don't think is a reasonable stance unless there is some wikihounding or behavior against policies going on. In addition, you have a special permission (new page reviewer) and I find it inappropriate that you are having this sort of behavior trying to stop editors from communicating with you. Thinker78 (talk) 18:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC) Reply to your comment on Village PumpThis is originally posted as a reply to you on Village Pump which got stuck in pending changes, therefore a copy has been posted here. Correct indeed. Given the flimsy shameful Wikimedia response even when it received widespread attention, there's good reason to suspect that such problems are more widespread than what were uncovered, across many Wikipedias not excluding here. We are thus forced to consider the possibility that many otherwise useful contents have been lost or otherwise warped due to such interferences. At this point it's time for all of us to consider content boycott wherein from now on just stop contributing new content here and instead consider using alternative fork sites instead. Deletionism? Financial cancer? Let 'em rot!
After all it's already a bad idea to put so many eggs in a place for so long. The free knowledge movement doesn't have to been restricted to a single platform.2A04:2180:0:1:0:0:89E4:DE0D (talk) 18:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC) Saw your comment at NPPHi, Thinker! I was going to email you with a few tips about the issue you've experienced, but you don't have email activated. If you're interested, I'm always willing to help, and you can email me from my user talk page. Otherwise, my apologies for the intrusion. Atsme 💬 📧 00:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
IP block exemptHello Thinker78. I've granted you WP:IPBE. Per standard procedure, this is a temporary grant, renewable on request if you still need it later. You look like someone who may not prefer templates, so I'll link to Template:IP block exemption granted instead of dropping it here. I also want to add that, as you're currently discussing IPBE policy at VPP, this is not intended to, nor should it in any way affect, your continued discussion of the policy. This was performed per my standard assessment of your complaint about being affected by blocks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
World War I articleHello Thinker78 To my great regret, I missed the discussion on the lead sentence of this article, but would like to have my say. In my experience, First World War is the most common term in Commonwealth countries, and World War I is the most common in the US. The following NGram shows that First World War is marginally the most common term in English worldwide.[1] So following MOS:BOLDSYN the lead sentence should be: World War I (WWI) (28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918), also known as the First World War... This isn't cluttered or difficult to read, and captures the two most important names for the conflict in English. Is there any way at this late stage I can propose this? Thanks. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 01:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
QuetzalcoatlWhere is citation 5? Doug Weller talk 13:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Happy to develop any paid editing policy with youIf a corporation sends paid editors to Wikipedia then I think it is fine to have public conversation with the corporation at the Wikipedia article which they edit, especially if it is the Wikipedia article for their corporation. Such conversations do not only concern the wiki editor and the paid media consultant. They are in the broader interest of both Wikipedia and any public or journalist reviewing the talk page. I recognize that such situations lack much precedent. If you would join me in Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard or any other forum you suggest to discuss further, then I would bring the issue there for more comment. Thanks. You are totally within wiki community norms to take a position that such content may not belong on article talk pages. I may be in the wrong here. Bluerasberry (talk) 14:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Assassinated American civil servants A tag has been placed on Category:Assassinated American civil servants indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz Read! Talk! 01:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC) Undisclosed paid editor - help on Spanish WikipediaHi Thinker78. I see that you are fluent in Spanish, so I wonder if I can enlist your help with an editor who has been editing both here and on Spanish Wikipedia. I would communicate them with directly, but apparently I don't have enough of an edit history there to leave a message on their talk page. My attempts are thwarted by some kind of filter - maybe they implemented a minimum edit count to get autoconfirmed status. The user in question is Pamelaespinall and they are writing about an organization called "Artelatam". I discovered off-wiki evidence that they are involved with this organization and almost certainly an undisclosed paid editor. Their initial edit on English Wikipedia was on their userpage, which was deleted as promotional (and a copyright violation). I've warned them on their talk page. On Spanish Wikipedia, they have created the page es:Usuario:Pamelaespinall/Taller. It's a copy of the same thing they wrote on their English userpage, and still written in English. Since I think they should receive a message in the language of the wiki they're on, I wanted to leave them this: Would you be able to leave this warning for them at es:Usuario discusión:Pamelaespinall? It's my experience that nipping undisclosed paid editing in the bud is a lot better than cleaning up a bunch of wreckage later if they're left alone. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Wikiproject Religion userbox
Hi, Thinker78. I saw your request for a userbox with switchable colours and I put together User:Stockmausen/Userboxes/Wikiproject Religion. Check out the page for instructions and examples. For the colours of the rainbow I used slightly shaded versions of Newton's division of the spectrum because I thought cyan would be too garish. Of course the colours can be changed if needed. I can move the template to wherever appropriate if you so want or need. All the best. Stockmausen (talk) 09:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Be more carefulYour views on some pseudoscientific topics and conspiracy theories are becoming evident in your editing. I suggest you broach your suggested article edits on the talk pages before making them, as they are just getting reverted and your credibility as an editor damaged. Start with assuming the articles are correct and that there is something you don't understand. Keep in mind that our articles are developed by many experienced editors who have checked most of the RS available. Don't let that stop you from asking, as you may be that unique person who really has discovered a new RS that changes the whole game.
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1960s assassinated politiciansA tag has been placed on Category:1960s assassinated politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz Read! Talk! 01:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated politicians in the Americas has been nominated for merging Category:Assassinated politicians in the Americas has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
I have sent you a note about a page you startedHello, Thinker78. Thank you for your work on Roy McGann. User:MPGuy2824, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated heads of state by continent has been nominated for discussionCategory:Assassinated heads of state by continent has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated heads of state by time has been nominated for discussionCategory:Assassinated heads of state by time has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC) Category:Before Common Era assassinated politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:Before Common Era assassinated politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC) Category:2nd millennium assassinated American politicians has been nominated for deletionCategory:2nd millennium assassinated American politicians has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC) Category:19th century assassinated American county and local politicians has been nominated for discussionCategory:19th century assassinated American county and local politicians has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. There are many more CfD's like this one coming up soon, and this mess you created may be reported to WP:ANI. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:28, 30 May 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1st millennium assassinated heads of state indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz Read! Talk! 01:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC) CFD discussionsHi, I was seeing your frustration in the CFD discussions and just wanted to stop by and say "hi". The uncivil comment in this one was just struck. As for the other feedback, CFD has a very short writing style since there are so many nominations, and the discusses rely heavily on the section shortcuts from the WP:OC page which can seem abrupt. Most of the specific concerns are around WP:NARROWCAT and WP:SMALLCAT. I noted it in one of the nominations, but there is a longstanding consensus that WP:SMALLCAT applies when there are 4 or fewer articles, even though the editing guideline doesn't give a specific number (which is unhelpful to new editors). I've made categories that weren't supported by a consensus too, like here. And I (eventually!) was able to incorporate that feedback. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
Category:Assassinated caliphate politicians has been nominated for deletionCategory:Assassinated caliphate politicians has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated Byzantine politicians has been nominated for deletionCategory:Assassinated Byzantine politicians has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 7 June 2023 (UTC) June 2023Stop making trivial edits to policy pages relating to categorization and disrupting discussions on WP:WikiProject Categories. If you are saying things like this then you have demonstrated that you are well aware that you don't have consensus for your changes. - car chasm (talk) 03:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I went ahead and removed the vandalism warning template. I don't think it applies here. I have not looked at the edit histories of either of you, and so have not investigated what may be going on. That said, as you both seem to know, I'm aware of the situation at WP:OC. First, I want to thank you both for trying to talk this out per WP:BRD and WP:CON. Thinker78, I think your edits there were well-meant (and clearly not vandalsm), but after seeing what you seem to want to do (twice now), I think it's probably best if you don't try to move the examples. For one thing, I am not sure why in some cases you moved the links to certain CfDs into "see also" links and others just moved to be "examples". There were several other confusing edits too. No one is expected to be perfect here. Mistakes happen. But I think at this point with WP:OC, at least, I think you should propose what you are planning to do on the talk page, and if, after a few days no one objects, then try it out. Doing this before doing what could be seen as major edits on policy pages, might help to prevent any more disruptions and/or misunderstandings. I hope this helps. - jc37 06:59, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Potentially pausing on new assassination categoriesThis is merely a suggestion, but I would encourage you to temporarily pause creation of new assassination categories until the current CFD nominations close. That will give time to see what the consensus is on creating similar cats going forward, and maybe avoid ones that are unlikely to aid navigation like this one. It's definitely more fun to be creating categories that are likely to stick around! - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:06, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Category:1970s assassinated Pan-American politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz Read! Talk! 01:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:2nd millennium assassinated North American politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 19:55, 20 June 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1960s assassinated North American politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 19:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:2020s assassinated North American politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 19:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Assassinated North American mayorsA tag has been placed on Category:Assassinated North American mayors indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 19:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC) Category:1960s assassinated Argentinian politicians has been nominated for deletionCategory:1960s assassinated Argentinian politicians has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Estopedist1 (talk) 17:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:2nd millennium assassinated Pan-American politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 20:20, 23 June 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:21st century assassinated North American politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 20:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:21st century assassinated politicians by continent indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 20:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Assassinated mayors by continentA tag has been placed on Category:Assassinated mayors by continent indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 20:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Category:21st century BC murdered monarchsA tag has been placed on Category:21st century BC murdered monarchs indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 05:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Category:22nd century BC murdered monarchsA tag has been placed on Category:22nd century BC murdered monarchs indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 05:46, 25 June 2023 (UTC) New categoriesCategory:Assassinated politicians by decade has many small categories and is thus at risk of being cfd'd. I don't see anything wrong with Category:1950s assassinated politicians. You should use Petscan: a politician assassinated in the 1950s will be in Category:1950s deaths and Category:Assassinated politicians. This is what I mean; there are 40 listed in addition to the 2 you have found. You have to do this carefully article by article because Petscan results depend on the category tree being correct, which it isn't as editors put inclusions the wrong way round and add eponymous topic categories to set categories. The first 3 look like valid members. It is up to you to populate categories you make before moving on: other editors may have no interest in when people were assassinated. That is populate the 1950s, populate the 1960s, 70s, 80s etc. No-one will take them to cfd. You could then start with Category:19th-century assassinated politicians; petscan finds 165 of these so it is worth subcatting by decade (but not by year). NB Henry Wharton Conway was killed in a duel: that is not an assassination (added in your edits). — Oculi (talk) 11:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Category:1960s assassinated African politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:1960s assassinated African politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 12:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC) Category:1930s assassinated Costa Rican politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:1930s assassinated Costa Rican politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC) Category:1970s assassinated South American politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:1970s assassinated South American politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 12:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC) Category:16th century assassinated French politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:16th century assassinated French politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 13:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC) Category:18th century assassinated French politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:18th century assassinated French politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 13:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC) Category:19th century assassinated French politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:19th century assassinated French politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 13:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC) Assassination editsYou've been making a lot of edits adding people to various categories involving "assassinations", yet many of the articles are very clear that their deaths were not assassinations. A politician being killed does not automatically make the murder an assassination. An assassination is a targeted killing, usually for political purposes. Things like duels and being killed in battle (not an exhaustive list, just some examples I've reverted) do not meet this criteria. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 22:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Duels@SkonesMickLoud I followed up the issue about duels with an AI chatbot. In short, I initially reached the conclusion that a killing of a politician in a duel may be an assassination based solely on the lead of the article assassination. But after further investigation, namely a simple dictionary search in Merriam Webster that says its an attack of a sudden or secret nature,[1] the chatbot reached the conclusion that a politician killed in a duel is not an assassination, and I agree. Detailed discussion with chatbotThe following is the detailed discussion I had with the chatbot (in blue). Logic question. Premise 1: An assassination is "the killing of a prominent or important person, such as a politician" that may be prompted by "political and military motives, or done for financial gain, to avenge a grievance, from a desire to acquire fame or notoriety, or because of a military, security, insurgent or secret police group's command to carry out the assassination". Premise 2: Politician Henry Wharton Conway was killed in a duel in he particpated because of political differences. Is the following conclusion correct "Politician Henry Wharton Conway was assassinated"? No, the conclusion "Politician Henry Wharton Conway was assassinated" is not correct. While Henry Wharton Conway was killed, it was in a duel, which is not the same as an assassination. An assassination involves the deliberate killing of a prominent person for political, military, or other reasons, whereas a duel is a pre-arranged combat between two individuals. Therefore, the correct conclusion would be "Politician Henry Wharton Conway was killed in a duel. Logic question. Premise 1: An assassination is "the killing of a prominent or important person, such as a politician" that may be prompted by "political and military motives, or done for financial gain, to avenge a grievance, from a desire to acquire fame or notoriety, or because of a military, security, insurgent or secret police group's command to carry out the assassination". Premise 2: Politician Henry Wharton Conway was killed in a duel in he particpated because of political differences. Is the following conclusion correct "Politician Henry Wharton Conway was assassinated"? No, the conclusion "Henry Wharton Conway was assassinated" is not correct. While Conway was indeed killed and was a politician, his death occurred in a duel over political differences, which makes it a different type of killing than an assassination. Premise 1 defines assassination as a killing done for political and military motives, financial gain, revenge, desire for fame, or on a command by a military, security, insurgent, or secret police group. None of these reasons apply to Conway's death in a duel provoked by political differences. Can you remake the logic premises and conclusion to include the definitions of both assassination and duel? Certainly! Here is a new set of premises that includes definitions of both assassination and duel:Premise 1: An assassination is "the killing of a prominent or important person, such as a politician" that may be prompted by "political and military motives, or done for financial gain, to avenge a grievance, from a desire to acquire fame or notoriety, or because of a military, security, insurgent or secret police group's command to carry out the assassination". Premise 2: A duel is "a prearranged combat between two persons, usually fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel." Premise 3: Politician Henry Wharton Conway was killed in a duel in which he participated because of political differences. Conclusion: Politician Henry Wharton Conway was killed in a duel, but he was not assassinated, as the reasons for his death were a private quarrel and not political or military motives, financial gain, a desire for fame or notoriety, or a command from a military, security, insurgent, or secret police group. Are you following proper rules of Logic in making 3 premises plus a conclusion? Yes, I am following proper rules of logic in making 3 premises plus a conclusion. In logic and critical thinking, an argument consists of a set of premises that support a conclusion. Premises are statements offered as reasons or evidence for accepting a conclusion, while the conclusion is the claim being supported or inferred. An argument is considered valid if the premises provide strong support for the conclusion, meaning that if the premises are true, then the conclusion must be true. To evaluate whether an argument is valid, one must use logical principles and rules of inference to determine if the conclusion logically follows from the premises. Therefore, the use of three premises and a conclusion is one common way to make an argument in formal logic. Each premise should be relevant and necessary to support the conclusion and the conclusion should logically follow from the premises using appropriate rules of inference. Analyze whether the conclusion based on the premises 1 and 2 is correct. Premise 1: An assassination is "the killing of a prominent or important person, such as a politician" that may be prompted by "political and military motives, or done for financial gain, to avenge a grievance, from a desire to acquire fame or notoriety, or because of a military, security, insurgent or secret police group's command to carry out the assassination". Premise 2: A duel is "a prearranged combat between two persons, usually fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel." Conclusion: A politician who gets killed participating in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated. The conclusion based on the premises 1 and 2 is not correct. While both premises provide relevant information that helps us understand the meanings of "assassination" and "duel," they do not support the conclusion that a politician who gets killed participating in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated.Premise 1 defines assassination as a killing that may be done for political and military motives, financial gain, revenge, desire for fame, or a command by a military, security, insurgent, or secret police group. None of these reasons apply to a duel fought to settle a private quarrel. Premise 2 defines a duel as a prearranged combat between two persons usually fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel. The nature and purpose of a duel are distinct from that of an assassination. Therefore, we cannot assume that a politician who gets killed in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated based on the premises 1 and 2. The conclusion is not logically derived from the premises, and it violates the definition of assassination provided in premise 1. I believe you are mistaken because in the definition of duel in premise 2 it states "especially to settle a private quarrel." This doesn't precludes other causes for a duel, such as to avenge a grievance. In fact, to avenge a grievance is a type of private quarrel. Thank you for pointing that out. You are correct that a grievance can be a type of private quarrel, and that the definition of duel in premise 2 does not exclude the possibility of a duel being fought to avenge a grievance.However, the premise that a politician who gets killed participating in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated still does not logically follow from the definitions given in premises 1 and 2. This is because the definition of assassination in premise 1 involves a set of specific circumstances and motivations surrounding the killing, none of which are present in a duel fought to avenge a grievance. In other words, the fact that a duel is fought to settle a private quarrel does not necessarily make it an assassination if it does not fulfill the specific motives and circumstances defining assassination mentioned in premise 1. Therefore, based on the given premises, it would not be correct to conclude that a politician who gets killed participating in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated. I will reword the arguments. Analyze whether the conclusion based on the premises 1 and 2 is correct. Premise 1: An assassination is "the killing of a prominent or important person, such as a politician" that may be prompted by "political and military motives, or done for financial gain, to avenge a grievance, from a desire to acquire fame or notoriety, or because of a military, security, insurgent or secret police group's command to carry out the assassination". Premise 2: A duel is "a prearranged combat between two persons, usually fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel, like to avenge a grievance." Conclusion: A politician who gets killed participating in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated. Thank you for rewording the arguments. However, the conclusion based on the premises 1 and 2 is still not entirely correct.While premise 2 has been revised to include the fact that a duel can be fought to avenge a grievance, the definition of assassination in premise 1 still involves specific circumstances and motives that do not necessarily apply to all cases of killing, including those in a duel. It is possible for a politician to be killed in a duel fought to avenge a grievance, but for the killing not to be classified as an assassination because the specific motives and circumstances defining assassination mentioned in premise 1 are not present. Therefore, the conclusion that a politician who gets killed participating in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated is not necessarily justified by the premises given. In summary, while premise 2 has been revised to better support the conclusion, premise 1 still poses a problem for the argument, and the conclusion is not entirely correct. I will reword the arguments. Analyze whether the conclusion based on the premises 1 and 2 is correct. Premise 1: An assassination is "the killing of a prominent or important person, such as a politician" that may be prompted by "political, military, financial motives, a desire to avenge a grievance, a desire to acquire fame or notoriety, or because of a military, security, insurgent or secret police group's command to carry out the assassination". Premise 2: A duel is "a prearranged combat between two persons, usually fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel, like a desire to avenge a grievance." Conclusion: A politician who gets killed participating in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated. Thank you for rewording the arguments. While this version of the argument is more accurate than the previous one, the conclusion still does not logically follow from the premises.In premise 1, it is stated that an assassination can be prompted by "a desire to avenge a grievance." However, it is important to note that in the case of a duel fought to avenge a grievance, both parties are typically consenting to the combat, and the rules of the duel are agreed upon in advance. This is different from an assassination, which typically involves a surprise attack on an unwilling victim. Therefore, while it is possible for a politician to be killed in a duel fought to avenge a grievance, it cannot be said that all such killings constitute assassinations because there are key differences between the motives and circumstances of a duel and an assassination. In summary, while the revised premises are more accurate, the conclusion that a politician who gets killed participating in a duel to avenge a grievance is assassinated is not logically justified based on the premises given. I believe you did not make a proper analysis because you added non-existent premises in my logical argument, specifically, "both parties are typically consenting to the combat, and the rules of the duel are agreed upon in advance. This is different from an assassination, which typically involves a surprise attack on an unwilling victim." I apologize if my previous response was unclear or unhelpful. You are correct in noting that I added additional information to the premises that was not present in the original wording you provided.Upon reviewing your original argument, I see that the premises, as written, do allow for the possibility that a politician killed in a duel fought to avenge a grievance could be classified as an assassination. Premise 1 includes a broad range of motives for assassination, including a desire to avenge a grievance. Meanwhile, premise 2 describes a duel as a prearranged combat, which could include a situation where the duel is agreed upon in advance to settle a private quarrel, such as a grievance. Therefore, based on these premises, it is reasonable to conclude that a politician who gets killed participating in a prearranged duel to avenge a grievance could be classified as an assassination. However, it is important to note that the classification of the killing as an assassination or not would ultimately depend on the specific circumstances and motives involved, as well as the opinions of legal and political authorities. I hope this response clarifies any confusion or misinterpretation on my part. Can you rearrange my logical argument to include the information "in the case of a duel fought to avenge a grievance, both parties are typically consenting to the combat, and the rules of the duel are agreed upon in advance. This is different from an assassination, which typically involves a surprise attack on an unwilling victim." Certainly, here is a revised version of your logical argument that includes the additional information:Premise 1: An assassination is "the killing of a prominent or important person, such as a politician" that may be prompted by "political, military, financial motives, a desire to avenge a grievance, a desire to acquire fame or notoriety, or because of a military, security, insurgent or secret police group's command to carry out the assassination". Premise 2: A duel is "a prearranged combat between two persons, usually fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel, like a desire to avenge a grievance." In the case of a duel fought to avenge a grievance, both parties are typically consenting to the combat, and the rules of the duel are agreed upon in advance. Additional Information: This is different from an assassination, which typically involves a surprise attack on an unwilling victim. Conclusion: While a politician killed in a duel fought to avenge a grievance could be considered an assassination based on the broad range of motives for assassination listed in premise 1, it is important to note that duels are prearranged combat where both parties typically consent to the combat, and the rules of the duel are agreed upon in advance. This is different from an assassination, which typically involves a surprise attack on an unwilling victim. The classification of the killing as an assassination or not would ultimately depend on the specific circumstances and motives involved. I believe that my misunderstanding is based on the incomplete description of assassination I found on Wikipedia. Can you reword the logical arguments and reach a new conclusion with the following new information to be added in premise 1: "murder by sudden or secret attack". Certainly, here's a revised version of your logical argument that includes the information you provided:Premise 1: An assassination is "the murder by sudden or secret attack of a prominent or important person, such as a politician", and may be prompted by "political, military, financial motives, a desire to avenge a grievance, a desire to acquire fame or notoriety, or because of a military, security, insurgent or secret police group's command to carry out the assassination". Premise 2: A duel is "a prearranged combat between two persons, usually fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel, like a desire to avenge a grievance." In the case of a duel fought to avenge a grievance, both parties are typically consenting to the combat, and the rules of the duel are agreed upon in advance. Conclusion: A politician killed in a duel fought to avenge a grievance would not be considered an assassination, as duels are prearranged combat where both parties typically consent to the combat and the rules of the duel are agreed upon in advance. Additionally, assassinations involve murder by sudden or secret attack of a prominent or important person, such as a politician. While a duel fought to avenge a grievance could be considered violent, it does not meet the criteria for an assassination based on the sudden and secret nature of the attack. The classification of the killing as an assassination or not would ultimately depend on the specific circumstances and motives involved in the incident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinker78 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC) References
Category:Assassinated foreign politicians in ChinaCategory:Assassinated foreign politicians in China is now empty. I removed Nima-odsor since he was an ethnic Mongol but a Chinese national. – Fayenatic London 10:28, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Category:Assassinated Central American politicians by country has been nominated for mergingCategory:Assassinated Central American politicians by country has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1930s assassinated Central American politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1960s assassinated politicians by continent indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC) Category:1960s assassinated Nigerian politicians has been nominated for deletionCategory:1960s assassinated Nigerian politicians has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Oculi (talk) 12:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC) Putting categories into multiple parents Hi, part of the difficulty with your work is that you are creating many categories within only one parent. E.g. Category:Assassinated African heads of state was only placed in Category:Assassinated heads of state by continent. If you had looked around for other parents, you would have found within Category:Heads of state by continent that the other applicable parent is Category:Heads of state in Africa. That would have helped you to name the categories to match the existing hierarchy, i.e. using "in Africa" rather than "African". It would also mean that you populate your own new hierarchies more fully. Some parents have been deleted when they became empty after deletion of one sub-cat; but I later noticed that there were other existing sub-categories which could have been in them… you just had not put them into the parent. So, when you create a category, think about what different parents intersect to form that one. Find out what they are called if they exist, follow those naming patterns, and use them as parents. Hope this helps! – Fayenatic London 08:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:7th-century assassinated politiciansA tag has been placed on Category:7th-century assassinated politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 19:48, 7 July 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1910s assassinated French politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 04:15, 9 July 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1930s assassinated French politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 04:15, 9 July 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1970s assassinated French politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 04:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1980s assassinated French politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 04:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:1990s assassinated French politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 04:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:2nd-millennium assassinated Nigerian politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 00:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:2nd-millennium assassinated African politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 02:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC) Invitation Hello Thinker78/Archives!
Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! Sent by Zippybonzo using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 07:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2000s murders in PalestineA tag has been placed on Category:2000s murders in Palestine indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 05:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
A kitten for you! I hope that this kitten brightens your day by 100,000,000%!!! Odin&Sleipnir (talk) 16:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi Thinker78. Oh, I understood perfectly. Please do not disrupt the encyclopedia to illustrate a point. Thanks, FASTILY 00:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Template parameter orderHi, regarding this edit: it makes no difference. When a template's parameters are all named, the order that they are provided is immaterial - the template code looks for them by name, not by position. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC) SignatureThanks for pointing out that my signature isn't legible User:Moxy. I don't see that issue from my monitor, I wonder why it appears like that for you? Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Editing policy and guidelinesJust a quick note. We should be careful when quoting other policy pages, because that can increase the overhead when that text may be updated on one page, then it would need to be updated everywhere it's quoted. And I can tell you, that does not often happen. It's usually (though to be fair, not always) better to use quotes sparingly, if possible. And while I will agree that there are some significant blocks of text on that page, we should do what we can to try to be as concise as possible, for readability and understandability reasons. All that said, I think the text in the #Sexuality section on that page could use some wording updates per some recent RfCs and various guideline updates. Might be worth looking at. - jc37 05:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Trump trimHello Thinker78. Thanks for your efforts on the Trump page. I was puzzled to see you place numerals before each user's !votes in a thread you started there. I've never seen that done in other polls and I don't understand what purpose it might serve beyond what's accomplished by the intial bolding each editor already placed there. Please undo the numbers. In addition to being pointless, it also gives an impression of IDHT and OWN in that thread, which I am sure is not your intention. Cheers. SPECIFICO talk 00:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Metapedian@Ingenuity, regarding your warning to DestinyPegasus, although I understand the reasoning behind not using Wikipedia as a social network, the key is whether the project is being harmed or not. If it's not, then I would also point out WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY, "Do not follow an overly strict interpretation of the letter of policies without considering their principles." DestinyPegasus may be a metapedian in the making, a special kind of editor who focus on the internal workings of Wikimedia projects, including guidelines and policies, and the social side of the Wikimedia movement, rather than editing articles and related content [...] Metapedians are often seen as the "social gadflies" of Wikimedia projects, doing honourable work and civic duties: giving out Barnstars, having general conversations on Talk Pages, taking part in deletion discussions and contributing largely in Wiki-Associations and places where discussion may be required. Let's not discourage an editor from being a metapedian. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 05:28, 9 September 2023 (UTC) Your questionYoickes. Responding here to hopefully be less hurtful to the user in question with 4:00 am frankness. They were spamming some sort of conspiracy theory nonsense with serious BLP concerns. Looks like they continued at ANI with it. And in the unblock request. He also made some interesting edits on at least one other BLP. So, indef is not infinite. They just needed to address the reasons for the block convincingly. Hopefully, this nade sense and was helpful. Back to bed, and hopefully sleep -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:10, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Sep 23Read wp:soap and wp:npa, implying (however indirectly) that a page is edited by the CIAS (thereby implying the editors who edit it work for the CIA) is not acceptable. Also read wp:fringe. Slatersteven (talk) 10:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Seeking editing guidanceHello, I'm trying to edit the Feldenkrais Method article and have been reverted by Bon courage with terse reason and no conversation. I see from their Talk page, this is an ongoing issue. I'm trying to be helpful, I am learning, I'm not into drama and I don't appreciate feeling bullied by another editor. I am hoping to improve the article, but there seems to be people blocking improvements by quoting policies at each other rather than constructive dialog. I added my proposal to the Talk page. I see you have been posting about disciplinary actions. What are your thoughts on how to get some work done? D1doherty (talk) 19:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi Take a look at: I am Spanish and I have written in the Spanish wikipedia in the article "Teoría conspirativa". I have posted quotes from various authors. Furthermore, I would like to put these quotes also in the English wikipedia. But I think it would be reversed. I think it is necessary for the English wikipedia to recover the section called "Controversy". Thus quotations from such authors could be inserted. Thank you. Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Assassinated Jamaican politiciansA tag has been placed on Category:Assassinated Jamaican politicians indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 17:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC) Munch! Zitian has eaten your {{subst:welcome-belated}}! The cookie made him happy and he'd like to give you a great big hug for donating it. Spread the WikiLove by giving out more {{subst:cookie}}s, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Thanks again! Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat a cookie with {{subst:munch}}! Z!t!@n«T@1k» 16:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Thinker78, This page was speedy deleted as it was an orphaned talk page. I just wanted to let you know that the editor you were addressing your comment to is globally blocked and wouldn't have been able to respond. Liz Read! Talk! 05:31, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Category:Assassinated politicians by time has been nominated for mergingCategory:Assassinated politicians by time has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated politicians by type has been nominated for mergingCategory:Assassinated politicians by type has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated heads of state by type has been nominated for mergingCategory:Assassinated heads of state by type has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC) GarfieldI would request that you self revert your category addition until you have a consensus for it. That two editors reverted it is a clear sign that there isn't consensus for it. 331dot (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hello. I have some concerns about civility and disruption in responses I have received in a dispute with M.Bitton. Please check the threads, Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment#Question about RfC sections and Talk:North Africa#RfC about the lead sentence. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 20:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
It's obvious you have been wasting your time with that editor. They don't care about Wikipedia behavior PAGs. The broader issue is that, over all, and except for the few most extreme cases, the Wikipedia community doesn't care about Wikipedia behavior PAGs. It's part of why I'm semi-retired; I couldn't handle certain things like that any more. ―Mandruss ☎ 19:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Category:Killings of politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:Killings of politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 22:19, 29 October 2023 (UTC) Category:1970s assassinated politicians by continent has been nominated for mergingCategory:1970s assassinated politicians by continent has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 22:25, 29 October 2023 (UTC) Category:2000s assassinated politicians by continent has been nominated for mergingCategory:2000s assassinated politicians by continent has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 22:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC) Category:Politicians' topics has been nominated for deletionCategory:Politicians' topics has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 00:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Heads of government topics has been nominated for deletionCategory:Heads of government topics has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 00:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Heads of state topics has been nominated for deletionCategory:Heads of state topics has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 00:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated former subnational legislators has been nominated for mergingCategory:Assassinated former subnational legislators has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated former national legislators has been nominated for mergingCategory:Assassinated former national legislators has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated Ottoman politicians has been nominated for renamingCategory:Assassinated Ottoman politicians has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 14:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Politicians' deaths due to animal attacks has been nominated for mergingCategory:Politicians' deaths due to animal attacks has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Politicians' deaths due to natural disasters has been nominated for mergingCategory:Politicians' deaths due to natural disasters has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Politicians' accidental deaths has been nominated for mergingCategory:Politicians' accidental deaths has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:21, 11 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Politicians killed in duels has been nominated for mergingCategory:Politicians killed in duels has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:21, 11 November 2023 (UTC) Category:Politicians' deaths from disease has been nominated for deletionCategory:Politicians' deaths from disease has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC) Category:20th-century assassinated Asian politicians has been nominated for mergingCategory:20th-century assassinated Asian politicians has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 00:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Improving the overcategorization editing guidelinesWhile I don't favor the RFC to bring back some form of Smallcat, I've obviously thought a lot about that edition guidlein and am open to other changes. For instance, I contributed in support of WP:MFN (although Marcocapelle and Nederlandse Leeuw did the heavy lifting there) and I'm potentially open to expanding WP:NARROWCAT to address works by artist. If you explain the problem you're looking to solve, maybe we can work together on WP:OC. Are there some recent CFD discussions that you think should have gone differently maybe? - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message Hello! Voting in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 11 December 2023. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate in the 2023 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add Perfectly reasonableRegarding this: I don't know what you're trying to do. The reply you linked was perfectly reasonable. I would even consider it restrained. I think you need to move on instead of reviving an old discussion to get in the final word against someone who hasn't edited in over a year. Your general editing pattern concerns me. Things like the discussion at User talk:Robert McClenon/Archive 47#Not a sentence fragment (his interpretation of your proposal is perfectly reasonable), your reply at #User talk:Koavf (reads as patronizing), and ponderings about tags at User talk:Koavf#October 2023 (idiosyncratic interpretation) are bizarre. Urve (talk) 04:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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SuggestionI saw an old category you made about Category:1940s assassinated French politicians. I think that grouping by nationality is much more helpful for decades, rather than continent/country set up that you've been doing. I think if you're going to continue to diffuse assassinations by decade, I suggest focusing on nationality-based subcategories rather than continents. Instead the folks who don't have a critical mass for their own category, can just remain in the main decade category. Mason (talk) 20:31, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Assassinated former national legislators in South America has been nominated for deletionCategory:Assassinated former national legislators in South America has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated former national legislators in North America has been nominated for deletionCategory:Assassinated former national legislators in North America has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated former national legislators in Europe has been nominated for deletionCategory:Assassinated former national legislators in Europe has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated former national legislators in Asia has been nominated for deletionCategory:Assassinated former national legislators in Asia has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated former national legislators in Africa has been nominated for deletionCategory:Assassinated former national legislators in Africa has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:10, 10 December 2023 (UTC) Category:1990s assassinated politicians in transcontinental Eurasia has been nominated for mergingCategory:1990s assassinated politicians in transcontinental Eurasia has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated politicians in transcontinental Eurasia has been nominated for deletionCategory:Assassinated politicians in transcontinental Eurasia has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 20:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
World War IHello there Thanks for your excellent work on gaining a consensus on the lead. It is much appreciated. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 21:31, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Assassinated Caribbean monarchs has been nominated for mergingCategory:Assassinated Caribbean monarchs has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC) Category:Assassinated monarchs by time has been nominated for mergingCategory:Assassinated monarchs by time has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC) A tag has been placed on Category:20th-century assassinated politicians by continent indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC) |
