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Tropical Storms/Hurricanes

• Where does Tropical Storm end and Hurricane start in km/h?, per the project page there seems to be a dispute between the WMO and NHC.Jason Rees (talk) 01:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh ok wow - i just thought it was just going a typo so please do dig up your notes and then get back to me/the project soon :).Jason Rees (talk) 03:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Interesting, i presume all these changes to the SSHS have to be ratified by the WMO, when it meets later this year though. Right?Jason Rees (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks.Jason Rees (talk) 21:24, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Cindy (1993) PR rainfall

Hey, DR. I have a question: in your report, the peak total for Cindy in Puerto Rico is 4.60" at Puerto Real; however, a report from the USGS that was archived by the NHC mentions the peak total as being 5.54" near Cerrillos River. I currently mention both in the article, but is there anything else we could? Thanks for your help! Auree ★ 05:44, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NCDC is not all inclusive nor all knowing, so it may not have that site. I'll look up the link, and if I can find coordinates for the site, I'll remap Cindy's rainfall sometime in the next week. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hurricane Paul 1982

Hey there DR! I was wondering if there was a reason that this rainfall map for Hurricane Paul in 1982 was never published. I'm currently writing an article for List of New Mexico hurricanes, and that map seems to indicate that Paul caused some decent rainfall in New Mexico (3 inches in the one spot). Is this another government conspiracy I should stay out of, like Andrew's discrepancy in Louisiana? :P --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:29, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. hehehe. I probably was waiting to include the Mexican contribution in order to create a page for it. It apparently led to severe flooding in southeast Mexico and central America while in its initial tropical depression stage. Thegreatdr (talk) 03:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, thousands of deaths in El Salvador. :( --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

HURDAT discrepancy

I've discovered a discrepancy for the numbering of the storm with the track shown here. At the article, there was once a storm numbered as #4, although it didn't exist in HURDAT - that edit remained in the history for at least four years (I didn't check which edit added it). I couldn't find the storm as "#9" - which was the original number used in the article for that storm - and the track does say it was #8. HURDAT calls it #8 too, but the MWR for that year says it was #9. So does this HURDAT document, which is confusing] - HURDAT has just entered the 1940s' reanalysis (AFAIK), and in that document, I don't see any storms that were added for 1947. I'm hoping you can clear this up, though if you can't, that's fine! Thanks in advance. :) Hurricanefan25 (talk · contribs) 22:02, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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At Talk:Hurricane Kathleen (1976) I raised an issue in a comment ahead of the GA nomination that you might have the expertise and knowledge to answer. Could you please help? Thank you. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 06:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Jamaica

Yea mon, great job with the Jamaica stuff. It looks good. Do you think the locations should be linked? Or are not all (any?) of them linkable? And no, after 90 inches, I doubt people would notice! (I can't even imagine getting 20 inches here, given where I live). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:05, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, given Floyd did 14". Particularly where I live (right next to the ocean), I can't see it being nearly that high. Am I right in assuming that adjacent to the ocean would not experience the maximum rainfall at this latitude? (unless the storm made landfall as a compact, well-organized hurricane just to the south of me) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:31, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Yea, given my latitude and location, I can't see an actual hurricane hitting with a well-defined structure anywhere around here. For that matter, when was the last time there was a well-defined hurricane that made landfall north of North Carolina? Any one I can think of barely had an eye at landfall (Bob was good but weakened). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry about my conduct on Gilbert's article. You're a good long time contributor. I've had a couple of hours to think of this and let an initial reaction get the best of me, but I'm offering to not cause more trouble. I just wanted to get my point across. Word choice was not wise, and I'm sorry. Mitch32^(There is a destiny that makes us... family.) 04:52, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Honduras

Well, with regards to the Alma article, not every storm was properly cited in that template, and I found a better satellite imagery pic that I felt was more useful than the template. I don't mean to offend, but I think an additional image is better than a template. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:39, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: METEO

Yea, I figured that. I haven't been involved much with the meteorology Wikiproject, but I got the sense of inactivity after I saw how little used the talk page was. I'm glad you responded though! What do you think of this so far? I think I may do something like List of United States billion dollar weather disasters, or something like that. Use the NCDC, and then find any other billion dollar disasters floating out there (starting with Betsy 65). That might come after doing some other assorted weather projects, like the 1998 Chiapas flooding and fixing up some other flood articles. Given the good shape of the hurricane project (all things considered), I figured I'd branch out a bit... finally! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I saw a reference that said it was a subtropical storm! I was mostly wondering if you had any idea where I could find sources for the storm, mostly in terms of the met. history. It's great how modern storms have write-ups all the time, but 1992 is a whole different era in terms of info. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:12, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Darn, it doesn't seem like they go back that far. Well, it's published now, and I'm happy with it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You must mean versions available online. I have paper versions going back well into the 1980s. I believe the publication started in the 1950s. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:39, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, online. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:18, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That would be amazing if you could help with that. I'm not sure about going for FA, but if there's enough info, I just might. BTW, I'm also starting to work on the January 1992 nor'easter, the one that I believe you hinted might be a subtropical storm. It seems that 1992 is forever away in terms of reanalysis. Did you ever make a rainfall map for that storm though? I saw its placeholder here. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks, I totally forgot about that! It wasn't a huge difference, but I'm glad you did it for sake of correctness. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:13, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you make a rainfall graph for Hurricane Andres 1979? It made landfall in Mexico, and I was surprised to find out there was no rainfall graph. Thank you. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 18:14, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it up :) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

re: 77

Gary has it in his ATL naming history and im sure ive read an article or two backing it up.Jason Rees (talk) 23:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The history of TC Naming is rather complex and needs a bunch of better sources are needed to be found. The SHEM history is virtually non existent, while we have to figure out if the X, Y, Z and Greek names were added from 1985 or if it was just introduced full time in 1987.Jason Rees (talk) 02:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Updated HURDAT

They haven't posted a public notification that it's updated yet (likely because they just put it up today from what I can tell) but all the information is in the regular HURDAT files and metadata. HURDAT track file. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:11, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Some thoughts on what makes a basin

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In some ways, NHC acts as if they already deal with the northwest quarter of the globe, TC wise. I've seen a refereed article try to demarkate the basins by areas of genesis. If you chose that route, there is a clear division around 120W in the northeast Pacific between the normal northeast Pacific genesis area south of Mexico and the storms which form farther westward, towards Hawai'i. The area around Australia and Indonesia is a mess...from what I've seen, TCs from the eastern section of the South Indian could easily be grouped with the Austrailian and southern Micronesian formations. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Beryl

Hey there DR! I've been trying to keep up with the TS Beryl article, and I was wondering when you think the HPC report might be done by? I know the storm is still active, hah. I'm just trying to keep on top of the info, and it's been pretty easy so far. Only for curiosity sake. Hope all is well! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet! Thanks for the update. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:32, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I checked for the 1956 document, but I had no luck (although I did find something that might allow me to make an article for the July 1933 Texas tropical storm). It sounds cool though, especially since I love those older storms. BTW, I put this conversation under the "Beryl" header, since I wasn't sure whether you saw my message on Beryl's talk page. Since you're the rainfall guru, I was wondering whether you thought if the rainfall before the storm formed (namely in Cuba, Bahamas, and south Florida) should be included and with such detail? I saw the edit summary you did, but I wanted some more thoughts on that, if that's OK. I hope all is well! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Double check the month ;) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's an issue. I'll fix it at work on Monday. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was right about it being a Monday, anyway. It is done. Thegreatdr (talk) 12:57, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

US wettest TC's

Would you be able to find a new link for the following reference please? Thanks in advance.Jason Rees (talk) 16:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

^ David M. Roth. "A Brief Climatology of Tropical Cyclones in Louisiana (continued)". Retrieved 2008-03-05.[dead link]

Thanks.Jason Rees (talk) 21:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BTW you wouldnt happen to know what the technical memorandum, you were talking to Hink about was called or any of the details of it as all for it. I might be able to spare the time to go hunt for a copy.Jason Rees (talk) 01:58, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Its either: [1] or [2].Jason Rees (talk) 22:50, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed especially as its cited in an article in Weather, talking about Jamaican Rainfall from TC's.Jason Rees (talk) 23:51, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at that link again, its apparently 305 pages, so it might be easier to add the useful data to the point maxima.Jason Rees (talk) 00:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

oh ok, i wasnt expecting it to be that quick. Thanks.Jason Rees (talk) 21:18, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok well let us know when its online, im just going through 1989 PHS.Jason Rees (talk) 21:32, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Um surely if we are on about Preciseness then the inches should be 0 D.P., as well since as one of my former science tutors would say we have to do conversions to the same level of preciseness.Jason Rees (talk) 00:18, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe going to 1 D.P. for mm is best.Jason Rees (talk) 00:30, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:History of Atlantic hurricane warnings/GA1

Hey I almost forgot to tell you, but yesterday I reviewed History of Atlantic hurricane warnings, an article that you nominated for GA. I hope you will be able to fix/address my issues within the next 7 days, or else I may fail it. Regards,--12george1 (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Over the last few days, ive been going through that report and have spotted a discrepancy between your Maxima and it, over Hurricane Florence's 1953 Rainfall in Lockhart Alabama. According to the book it peaked at 13.6" (Pg: 178/188), however using NCDC data you have it peaking as 14.71. Do you happen to know which is more reliable/right?.Jason Rees (talk) 03:10, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They might be using different date sets. In that case, they're both right, and the decision is yours. =)

July 1933 tropical storm

Heya DR! I'm continuing my work on the 1933 AHS, and I came across something (usual discrepancy between sources). MWR says 22.3 inches of rain, but HPC says 21.3 inches. How come the inch difference? I'm mostly concerned because there is no HPC page to actually cite it to, since it appears that storm never got a proper page (and I'm not a fan of citing images). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it always a one inch discrepancy? When I get to work next week I'll check into your and Jason's discrepancies within the worksheets. In his case, it's likely that I used a longer time period than the 1956 report. In your case, Cline may have made an error in math. This report from 1956 agrees with my amount. Yay? Thegreatdr (talk) 16:41, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I'll go with that HPC report then! Now I have a textual source, yay indeed! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:43, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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