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Re the "better source needed": I realise now that I had it in the wrong place – I meant it in reference to the ending of the Breeze project rather than to the fate of 321448 specifically. I wasn't able to find a source for whether the project had actually been cancelled and I didn't want to rely on an article to which I didn't have access. Are you able to advise on how well it supports the claim?
Re Lackenby's status as a village: it's what our article says it is, and that's cited to an OS map that I presume has different ways of showing the scale of settlements. I defer entirely to a better-supported description, should one turn up.
XAM2175 Ta. Point noted - the Today's Railways does explicitly state the project has ended, and on the Lackenby front - big industrial area, but I would have said hamlet as there does not seem to be a church.[1] However, that's an issue for my other main interest, Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire. Thanks for the info and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for creating Beckett Street Cemetery. Articles like this are extremely useful resources for those of us who create local historical biographies, and your hard work on this one is much appreciated. Power to you! Storye book (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm trying very hard to get my first page approval, but not having much luck. I chose a TV political commentator as my subject after seeing them give a live interview and then did some research into their career - he seemed look a good subject for my first page creation! Draft:Leon Emirali
You contributed to my first draft, which I was very grateful for. However, the draft then got rejected. Do you have any advice on how I can improve it? Or do you think I should abandon this subject altogether and move onto someone/something new? Would welcome your advice. I'm keen to move from page editing to page creating at some point! Thank you JoinFluffy250 (talk) 16:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
JoinFluffy250, Hello, welcome, and thanks for reaching out. I only added to the article as it was showing up on a maintenance page, meaning it required attention due to a wiki mark up error, in this case it was missing a {{Reflist}} tag, which is essential to the reference section.
The editor who has reviewed your page is unfortunately quite right, the sources given do not pass the threshold needed to guarantee notability. I have looked for reliable news sources on the BBC, The Daily Telegraph, and The Times, and nothing seems to be there in regard of Leon Emirali; I fear you are on a hiding to nothing. But, please do not despair. Try writing an article about something, rather than someone. Where you live will probably have a wikiproject covering your county or region, that project page will most likely have an required articles section, though I recognise this might not be as exciting for you. Unfortunately, Leon Emirali does not pass WP:GNG.
Don't take this to heart, we have all been there; eight years ago my first few articles were rejected through articles for creation process. But then you get it right, and soon, you have automatic creation rights! However, all the usual rules of style, editing, a neutral point of view, reliable sources, and notability will apply.
That’s incredibly helpful feedback - thank you. I did see he has written articles for The Times on at least two occasions, but obviously isn’t the subject of those articles so might not be appropriate? I’ll look at other potential subjects for a new page and take on board your suggestion about looking locally. Thanks for taking the time. JoinFluffy250 (talk) 04:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
JoinFluffy250, Yes, I had seen those in The Times, and yes, as he has written them himself, they can't be used, especially for what is a biographical subject, and is deemed as WP:PRIMARY. We like to use secondary, or even tertiary sources. So in his Times piece, if he said something like the NHS should be privatised, then the BBC ran that as an article, the BBC source would be okay. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 07:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for that. That happened in one of the articles he wrote for Conservative Home and the contents of it was picked up by “The I” newspaper. I’ve put it in the draft but will probably park my work on this one for now and maybe pick up later. Onto the next subject! Thanks again for your help. JoinFluffy250 (talk) 09:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
There is an easy way to avoid linking to disambiguation pages: if you go to "Preferences", "Gadgets", and look under "Appearance" you'll see "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" towards the bottom of the section. Select that tickbox, and whenever you Preview a page you'll be able to see whether you've accidentally linked to a disambiguation page. Thanks, and Happy Editing. PamD09:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Please note that this edit didn't change the appearance of the page at all, and so was not necessary. {{Reflist}} is just a fancier version of <references /> , but in this case they do exactly the same thing. - dcljr (talk) 03:31, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Dcljr thanks for stopping by. Agree, and I know that it is an alternative to {{Reflist}}, however it kept on being listed at Wikipedia:Check Wikipedia as missing a reflist. I did a whole batch yesterday, and maybe it was the gap, maybe somebody else appended it between times, but I just carried out a dummy edit fo clear it from the maintenance list [1]. It's not there now, obviously, as I set it as done. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 07:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
I started extra making sure I deleted the space after the comma...
...because I kept seeing your comments that said "No space after the comma in DEFAULTSORT" but now I understand it means the opposite and that is what " - there should be" means...maybe the comment could be "there should be a space after the comma in DEFAULTSORT"...super minor thing, thanks for the corrections, I'll get it the right way around now... Cielquiparle (talk) 04:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
As a respected contributor to fire service related articles (as well as others) I'd appreciate you taking a look at my latest additions to Dorset & Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service. I want to make sure that what I have added is balanced and not given undue weight or bias. It's a horrendous topic IMHO and widely reported so meets notability criteria, but don't want any personal anger over the incidents to cloud what is written. 10mmsocket (talk) 12:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
10mmsocket "A respected contributor" wow, thanks for that, others may not agree! I have no issue with the content, all seems fine to me, the only thing I would change is another cite towards the end of the dead female RTAs section - or move cites 9 and ten to the end of that main sentence. As its quite notable and as you say horrendous, that really needs a cite. Thanks and good luck! Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Just for info, I kept my version of the revert which we both simultaneously carried out on this article because I also replaced the cite in that section. The old cite was the same as the bullet directly above, and referenced the incorrect unit. Danners430 (talk) 19:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
Not just that article, all your edits adding reflist template added the wrong header. Too many to point them all out. You should check all your corresponding edits. Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:53, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I am sorry, but this is nothing to do with me. If you are some sort of edit war with another user, then please follow the advice at WP:BRD. I am totally unfamiliar with this topic, I merely added a missing template that is a requirement for most articles. Sorry. The joy of all things (talk) 15:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your contributions to Kitra Cahana. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it needs more sources to establish notability, it is promotional and reads like an advertisement, you may have a possible Conflict of Interest and the subject does not pass WP:GNG - suggest a close reading of WP:FILMMAKER..
Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while.
There has been an ongoing discussion amongst members of a local history society with regards to the Wikipedia article on this railway station which was opened by the London and North Western Railway as there is no mention made of the Great Northern Railway services that later used this station. That being the case, should a history service box be added at the foot of this article showing the Great Northern Railway services.
Unfortunately, at the age of 78, my computer skills diminish by each passing day. With regards to the navbox, I would say that Historical services would ne the correct heading for those former Great Northern Railway service patterns. In one direction from Batley there was the short line leading to the LNWR Birstall branch line, that had a single intermediate station of Carlinghow and then also the connection line to the GNR Batley to Adwalton Junction line via Chickenley Heath and then Ossett.
As a follow-up, would you be able to add the navbox to the article page on my behalf with the information on the LNWR Birstall branch line supplied above, please.
Hallo, thanks for creating Church of All Saints, Ledsham. It's shown up as a link on a couple of articles on my watchlist, so I've added it to All Saints Church - there are disambiguation pages like this for most dedications of churches, and it might help a reader looking for the article. PamD22:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes - those articles came from an early stage of my Wikipedia journey, when I was working my way through the List of Category A listed buildings in Moray, with the aim of writing all the articles that were missing. I wasn't particularly clued up on how infoboxes work (and I'm still not an expert, if I'm being honest). I never did tick them all off - some of them are more appealing to write about than others - I'd like to think I'll revisit it one day and finish it off. GirthSummit (blether)18:47, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Dave.Dunford A mountain is a generally accepted term for something over 610 metres (or 2,000 ft) by the BBC (first reference), and the Ordnance Survey, who mark anything over that threshold as a mountain on their maps (second reference). If the OS are happy with that distinction, then so I am, even though that is probably IMHO.[1][2][3] Change it back if you think it's too ambiguous. Perhaps I worded it badly? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
The BBC are not a geographical authority; they are fallible and I believe they are wrong on this. The claim that the OS "mark anything over that threshold as a mountain on their maps" is straightforwardly wrong – hills and mountains are mapped identically, as contours and spot-heights and trig points, on OS mapping and there is no symbol or other indication to distinguish "hill" from "mountain" at any scale, as far as I'm aware. The second reference you've cited here (also cited by the Mountain article) does not support the claim that the OS explicitly identifies mountains on maps, it just makes the usual claim that they somehow make a distinction (without presenting any evidence for it) and then quotes the (amateur) surveyors as saying that "Ordnance Survey has agreed to update its maps (on the internet) straight away, but it might take a bit longer to correct the paper maps." – I take that to mean that the OS will change the spot height (at the summit of Mynydd Graig Goch) from 1,998ft to 2,000ft, but it says nothing about their alleged definition of "mountain". This "formal definition" by the Ordnance Survey is widely believed and frequently mentioned in reliable sources (I've seen it in the Guardian too), but I've never found confirmation or acknowledgement of it from the OS themselves in any official publication. IIRC, the Mountain article used to have an better discussion of this so-called OS standard (and the lack of evidence for it) than it does now, but it's been lost in the mists of time.
This claim seems frankly to be a myth that, through frequent repetition by usually reputable sources, has achieved the status of fact. See also my comments at Talk:Hayfield, Derbyshire, and elsewhere. High Willhays on Dartmoor is over 2000 feet and nobody calls it a mountain. My position is that there is no formal definition of the word mountain, regardless of the widespread belief to the contrary – it's essentially a subjective term, dependent on local usage (what is considered a mountain in England would not be in the Alps); depending on the context, some landforms (Snowdon, Ben Nevis) are clearly mountains, some are not (Holyhead Mountain, regardless of its name) and then there is a grey area (Kinder Scout, maybe Ingleborough) in between. Your edit to Ingleborough was fine; I'm not going to revert. Dave.Dunford (talk) 14:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello Joy of all Things.
I'm interested in this guy because it seems bizarre that he should be from Mantes, when the Tessons used to hang out south of Caen (where there is a 'Bois de Buron'). I can't find the entry about this in your source (The Norman people), so could you tell me what name the info' is under please? Bonglosaxon (talk) 10:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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"It was the only lifeboat station in the United Kingdom that was staffed full-time by a professional RNLI crew."
Is this not still the case? (for a coastal station) (excluding Thames).
Don't think they've had long enough to recruit locals from Grimsby yet.
Also ..., I've been adding Station Honours to other UK stations, going to do the same with Yorkshire if you are OK with that.
MartinOjsyork (talk) 10:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello Ojsyork, how are you? As regards the Humber lifeboat situation, I do not know what the staffing is at Grimsby and without a reliable citation..... For the station honours, do mean awards for staff, a vellum, rescues etc? Can you link to examples you have done already? Thanks.
For the station honours, do mean awards for staff, a vellum, rescues etc?
Yes, please check out Skegness, Hunstanton, Wells etc.
Just dead simple (I got shot down for copyright early on), so its the bare bones. Which in some cases is still loads.
I'll make enquiries about Humber staffing, but as far as I'm aware, they are still on shift teams, and will be for quite a while. (I expect the ultimate aim is to recruit locally, but will take ages).
Hello! I was reviewing your edits for the backlog drive, and took a look at Halesowen Chronicle an Mousehole Wild Bird Hospital and Sanctuary. I'm afraid I nominated Halesowen Chronicle for deletion, but really I wanted to send a brief message to note a small pattern I saw in the sources you added. The sources themselves were all reliable sources, but here and here the cited source didn't actually state the information it was verifying; both sources were really trivial passing mentions of the subject. For the bird sanctuary article you went on to add much better sources that did directly support the information in the article, which put it overall in a much better state! But, I noticed that you didn't make any changes to the article wording when you added cites. I wanted to encourage you to change the article to match what it actually says in the source when you add cites, keeping WP:V in mind. Thanks for your sourcing efforts, and happy editing! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 06:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello LEvalyn and thanks for stopping by. I disagree vis the Halesowen Chronicle, but you are absolutely right about the Mousehole citation - don't know what I was thinking there. As I use a lot of book citations which can't be verified, I feel it is best that I withdraw from the drive as there may be swathes of citations I have inserted which cannot be properly verified by other editors. There are some comments on the talk page regarding other editors who have not been particularly accurate, and I would hate to have my name in lights, and additionally weaken the standing or reliability of the encyclopedia.
I'll stick to what I am best at, writing articles to what is written in the sources rather than trying to adapt cites to information given in articles. Thanks for bringing this up privately, good luck and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 09:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
I am sorry you feel the need to withdraw! I really did mean this as a friendly note (and I can see some ambiguity with the Halesowen cite)… but I can understand your feelings. We’re all volunteers so of course you should work on whatever you find most rewarding. Thanks again for your many contributions! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 07:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
LEvalyn And I took it as an a very friendly note. I appreciate your delicate handling of the matter. But having a 6.7% rate of questionability on my edits was too much for me to carry on embarrassing the project. Regards. The joy of all things (talk)
New Article
Good one with the Robin Hood Bay page.
I added some extra detail for you, hope that is OK?
Ojsyork (Martin) - thanks for sending me this. I really like the Port Erin article, although I have made some cosmetic changes. It is important to note that I haven't changed any of the content, just a few changes to adhere to some wiki-rules. I will list the changes I have made below for openness and clarity:
Amended 40mph and 5 miles with conversions, so they show 40 miles per hour (64 km/h) and 5 miles (8 km). This is a standard conversion template for the readability of the article to international readers.
Added non-breaking spaces between the numbers and ordinals of dates and times, eg I changed 6am to 6 am. The spacing should be there, but to stop a random code being inserted inbetween the two, a non-breaking space is used. You can also use it when writing out currency in the millions - eg £6 million.
I changed all weather lifeboat, to all-weather lifeboat. This is for consistency as most other RNLI articles have this phrasing with the hypen/dash, and the RNLI use the title all-weather lifeboats themselves. See here.[1]
I moved all citations to straight after the punctuation in all cases. Cites should always be straight after the text they refer to.
I added in the talk page WikiProjects which relate to this article.
I do like my Capitals, I know! Don't really understand the non breaking spaces thing...but its inoffensive.
But pleased to get some pages done. Hope to continue with the rest of the IOM if I can find some histories.
I have Geof Shepard at present, following me round, re-writing and changing everything I've done, which is getting a bit tiresome.
He's not done any edits on some pages for 5 years, but now changing what I've done within 5 or 6 hours. I try my best to 'add value, updates, missing details, etc, and added loads of 'new history' for lots of the fleet pages, and he rewrote those too. Check out Eastbourne, Plymouth,
..and now is changing the table format on fleet pages to include Rowspans, which makes it a nightmare to edit. (Check the code for Watson Lifeboats, Brede Class, James Stevens etc..)
Ojsyork The non-breaking space is there so that when we write 6 am, it doesn't get split onto two lines if it is near the edge of the visible space; so 6 does not appear at the end of one line, and the am then does not appear on the next line down at the start. It's a formatting thing.
If you intend to do other IoM articles (and I heartily encourage to continue doing so), then it might be worth re-doing the categories as they only relate to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom, and the IoM does not fall into any of these. If you are unsure about this, I can perform this for you? Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 14:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah - the first person to explain the nbsp thing thankyou!
You might have seen some.
Port St Mary
Ramsey
Peel
Have uploaded a new station pic (naming ceremony) to Geograph, but I'm stuffed if I can work out how to upload it to Wiki? If you can help, please do...?
MartinOjsyork (talk) 18:20, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Ojsyork Hi Martin; this is something that is easy to do yourself. I will list this in stages -
Check the image does not already appear on WikiCommons
Navigate to the image you wish to upload on Geograph
Underneath the text of the image will be the phrase "Copyright ............ and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.
The word reuse is a blue link, click on this link
Scroll down the page and you will see a title "Wikipedia Template for image page."
Below this title is another blue link (You can directly upload this image to Wikimedia Commons)
You will need to insert some Categories for the image, suggest "Ramsey Lifeboat Station"
You can check on the geograph page if the image has already been loaded to WikiCommons
"If you intend to do other IoM articles (and I heartily encourage to continue doing so), then it might be worth re-doing the categories as they only relate to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom, and the IoM does not fall into any of these. If you are unsure about this, I can perform this for you? Regards."
Ojsyork The numbers could be changing because it is preferable to have an endash linking numbers than a hyphen. So the word re-enactment, would use an hyphen, but an endash is preferred when using numbers, so say if I was quoting the financial year 2022–2023. This endash is slightly longer, see Wikipedia:Hyphens and dashes. It is probable that the other editor is doing it sequentially, so will be doing the 13-35 numbers last. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Ojsyork - Thinking about Douglas lifeboat station? How are you constructing the articles? Are you using your sandbox? If not, using the sandbox allows you to develop the article over a long period of time, coming back to it when you have time. When it is good to go, you move it into the mainspace of the encyclopedia. Again, if you are unsure about this, I am more than happy to help. Regards, The joy of all things (talk) 21:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Regarding the hyphens, it was definitely targeted, twice, so I think its just Wiki seeing the number 12-28 and 12-22 as a date.
All the RNLI boats have a small hyphen, and there's pages and pages of them, so I 'm not going to change them all!
Haven't got enough info for Douglas yet, but I do tend to just cut and paste and go for it!
Ojsyork I personally would make sure that the entry for each lifeboat station had the location, and the county. It would only need to be linked to the county in the first entry. So:
Ojsyork This is why we use piped links, ie one that uses the pipe symbol [[Preston, Lancashire|Preston]]. Click on the Preston you have supplied above (on the line below) the word "OR", and it takes you to the disambiguation page for all the uses of the name and the word Preston across Wikipedia. Obviously, to us, the name Preston is the town in Lancashire, but there's a Preston east of Leeds, and another in the East Riding of Yorkshire, which are smaller, but still called Preston. To make it easier for readers to navigate wikipedia, we always link to the town, its locational county or authority, and we also display the country, but do not link to that country, for reasons which escape me at the moment. We should always show the place, then the county, but to stop overlinking, we only need to link to a place, or county once within an article (dependent on its length - longer articles can have the same links duplicated throughout the text.)
So if there is a lifeboat station at Weymouth in Dorset, then it should be:
[[Weymouth, Dorset|Weymouth]], [[Dorset]] (which renders as Weymouth, Dorset) so that the reader can navigate to either the town of Weymouth in Dorset, and to the county page for Dorset itself.
However, when you have multiple stations in the same county, then you only need to link the county name once, when it is first mentioned.
If there is an actual lifeboat station article about a location, then the links can be via a piped link, or by using the {{lbs}} template shown here - {{lbs|Whitby}} which would look like this:
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List of former RNLI stations
Hi.
I thought we maybe needed this page, so I've created one.
Esp as you have created Teesmouth and Robin Hood's Bay.
Hi @The joy of all things, I know you're usually Yorkshire focused, but I wondered if you could give some comments/vote on an article I created for a Chesterfield street containing 13 listed buildings, as well as 2 listed lamp posts, and is also the site of one of the oldest markets in the UK, the Chesterfield Market. The nomination seems bizarre in my opinion, but I would like to get your thoughts. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Thief-River-FallerI know you're usually Yorkshire focused.., but I do love Derbyshire! Erm, unsure exactly what you are asking of me? Re the nomination, do you mean the DYK nomination? You say it seems bizarre, but it looks like you have nominated it....? My thoughts on the article are that it's worthwhile, but at 572 b, it is 928 b short to be a DYK, as they state in the rules that the article must be at least 1500 characters or readable prose. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, should have actually tagged the specific article, it's the Low Pavement, Chesterfield that's being nominated for deletion, to me the fact the entire street is basically compiled of listed buildings makes this notable, not to mention the market also standing on the street. So far there's been no votes other than my own to keep, I just wanted your thoughts. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 20:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Thief-River-Faller; I'm sorry, but I agree the street itself is not notable enough for retention. I am sorry after all the trouble and effort you went to. Perhaps redirect to Chesterfield Market? I can express my opinion on the Low Pavement deletion page if you like, or just stay away? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 09:41, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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Welcome to the one hundred and ninty fifth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 19,422 last month to 19,543 on 29 June 2024). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 220 is ahead of WP:GM who have 91. WP:YORKS also has the lead in FAs at 93 while WP:GM has 65 out of a total number of 5,085 articles.
Currently we have seventy six Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
General Election
This month will see the General Election take place with a raft of boundary changes for the constituencies, thanks to the boundary commission review. A lot of work has been done on updating the constituency articles to cover the changes and new articles created for the new constituencies. Once results are in there will be changes to make to all of the candidate articles to show their new status as MP or not as the case may be. There will also be changes to make to the settlement articles to show the new MP and may be change the constituency if the boundary changes affect it.
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Welcome to the one hundred and ninty sixth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.
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Yorkshire Day
Happy Yorkshire Day to all project members, official celebrations this year take place in York. May be if anyone is in York could get some pictures of the celebrations would be useful. The York article is about to loose it's GA status as it has been under review and is in need of work. Would be good if members could take time to update and keep it as a Good article.
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Lifeboat Station Updates, Links etc
Seems I've been causing you loads of work adding links etc.
Hello, I was wondering if you had access to Raymond Butt book on stations ISBN 9781852605087, if so can you look up Londesborough and find out what page number it is on? If not I will have to get Warwickshire libraries to dig it out of storage. Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 13:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi Keith D. Alas, I do not. It is one of the books in the National Railway Museum in York, so when I am there I use it for research. If it's the opening and closing dates you need, then I have a very acceptable and reliable alternative? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 15:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, I was after the page number to fill in on the reference. Will have to call in Warwickshire libraries and see which one has their copy. Catalogue says it is in store. Keith D (talk) 15:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Hey man you need to look after this toxic case sorry for my unwanted turbulence but this guy removed the family background at Ranjit Singh please try to revert it However I don't able to this at this movement of time @The joy of all things
Hey look there i provide the summary if you are willing to revert the the older version before then vandal @LubanaPB02 make it sure source still attributing to be previous perimeter with Sandhawalia Jats and Sidhu you can clearly figure it out in rest of periferal in revision only without any expertise @The joy of all thingsSupreme~limitless (talk) 22:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
There is a substantial backlog of unsourced articles on Wikipedia, and we need your help! The purpose of this drive is to add sources to these unsourced articles and make a meaningful impact.
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Welcome, welcome, welcome The joy of all things! I'm glad that you are joining the November 2024 drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.
Hi, thanks for the article on Penistone Viaduct, I was wondering if you could use it to add some references to the Penistone article that has a paragraph on the viaduct, though it does mention detail which is not covered in your article. Keith D (talk) 20:22, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
November 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award
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This award is given in recognition to The joy of all things for collecting more than 105.0 points during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's NOV24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing over 8,000 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – DreamRimmer Alt (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Seasons Greetings!
Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Wikipedia in 2024! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2025! ♦ Dr. Blofeld09:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
So, continuing our convo; "No, not a typo, was as in past tense." Apologies, I should have made it clearer; the tense wasn't the issue.
"A satellite stationstation was..." i.e. repetition of the word "station"
You cannot trust the website (raf.mod.uk) as it states that 100 Squadron still operate from RAF Leeming. As a taxpayer, if that is the best the RAF can do, I want my money back! Yes, I already knew they have a capacity to be somewhat sloppy.
As to {my} final point,
I do hope you are also able to resolve the classic problem of what happened on 1st April 1918, when various RFC air stations suddenly came under RAF control.
More apologies if I was too cryptic. How about we discuss the following extract from a random early aerodrome.
The establishment of East Fortune(1) as a flying station pre-dates the formation of the Royal Air Force. RAF East Fortune(2) was first designated as a fighter and airship airfield in 1915 and became a Royal Naval Air Service(3) station in August 1916
Some Wiki pages mistakenly link to the village bearing that name, because it includes some details about the old airfield and museum. It's a common error, and not strictly relevant to our discussion. Ignore it.
Here it formally describes the location as "RAF something", but then talks about 1915, which pre-dates the formation of the RAF. That's sloppy too, but points to a general confusion regarding terminology and chronology. Hopefully your new article will remedy this for future editors. Let us hope so!
In 1916 it became a Royal Naval Air Service station; this implies a formal change from "an aerodrome in the vicinity of East Fortune village" to a specific establishment named "RNAS something". Is that really the case; is it documented as such? Was there a ceremony, with a bugler, or some awful bagpipes. Or was it just noted on an official document. Or is there no official record of such a place with that specific name? Maybe it was invented post facto by historians and Wiki editors?
And finally, what happened on 1st April 1918? Did it suddenly become "RAF East Fortune"? Was there another ceremony to mark the changeover. Were mapmakers (i.e. Ordnance Survey) and official bodies notified to henceforth refer to the base in this manner? Or did this happen much, much later, say around 1938?
I'm sorry, there are a lot of points there, but they are all basically related. I am curious to find out if what we understand today, by virtue of station signage, headed notepaper, websites, etc, was formally laid down at some point, or simply arose through common usage. I have read somewhere that before WWII, of all the hundred or so airfields used by the RAF, only a handful were officially named as such. Did I dream that?
"A satellite stationstation was..." i.e. repetition of the word "station" - my typo (I have removed it)
Here it formally describes the location as "RAF something", but then talks about 1915, which pre-dates the formation of the RAF. Establishments used by the RAF that were taken over at the beginning of April 1918, tend to be described on Wikipedia as RAF Foo, as they had a longer career under the RAF than they did under the RNAS or RFC. So, essentially, the article should be named RNAS East Fortune/RAF East Fortune, but as per our conversation here, the RAF just left it as RAF East Fortune, when it should have probably been RAF Athelstaneford as that was the parish name. Assumedly the aircrew knew the base to be called East Fortune, and it was easier to leave it at that. My own article about RNAS Hornsea Mere, is labelled as RNAS rather than RAF, as it spent three years under the RNAS, and only one year under the RAF.
In 1916 it became a Royal Naval Air Service station; this implies a formal change from "an aerodrome in the vicinity of East Fortune village" to a specific establishment named "RNAS something". Is that really the case; is it documented as such? Was there a ceremony, with a bugler, or some awful bagpipes. Or was it just noted on an official document. RNAS East Fortune was formally instituted as an RNAS base in August 1916; prior to that it had been an alternative landing ground of RNAS Dundee, but it seems it was upgraded to a full base.[1]
And finally, what happened on 1st April 1918? Did it suddenly become "RAF East Fortune"? Was there another ceremony to mark the changeover. Were mapmakers (i.e. Ordnance Survey) and official bodies notified to henceforth refer to the base in this manner? Or did this happen much, much later, say around 1938? I am not sure - given they were still at war, I assume nothing serious was rolled out except at say Cranwell. But given that they were under pressure from the Government and the Royal Navy to be disbanded, they would be using the name RAF XXXXX from the very start. A memorandum issued in 1916 stated that the base at Bramham Moor was to be known as RFC Bramham Moor, then in April 1918, it was changed to RAF Tadcaster, but the name of Bramham Moor persisted, even in official documents.[2] It seems that the fledgling RAF issued memorandums in April 1918 asking for name changes....
I have read somewhere that before WWII, of all the hundred or so airfields used by the RAF, only a handful were officially named as such. Did I dream that? Plenty, if not all, the RAF bases prior to the Second World War had official names, especially it it was enshrined in the station badge, though most did not receive their badges until the 1940s/1950s, which is why such places as RAF Elmdon (now Birmingham International Airport) was not awarded a badge.
Regards.
References
^Smith, David John (1989). Action stations 7: Military airfields of Scotland, the North-East and Northern Ireland (2 ed.). Cambridge: Stephens. p. 92. ISBN1852603097.
^Taylor, David (2006). RFC Bramham Moor, RAF Tadcaster: an insight. York: GMS Enterprises. pp. 15–16. ISBN1-904514-32-4.
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year! Thank you for the continuing stream of interesting articles, particularly those on Yorkshire topics. Looking forward to reading many more over the coming year. Warofdreamstalk20:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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