Hi-I started Springfield Corners, Wisconsin and Daleyville, Wisconsin in Dane County. According to the GNIS there is another Springfield Corners also in the town of Springfield in Marquette County, Wisconsin. That one is a locale according to the GNIS. Therefore, I decided not to do an article because of the classification. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 20:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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"nora" wisconsin
This isn't a community, it's a road and a bar. Even the bar recognizes it's address as Deerfield on it's own facebook page[1], and the citation you used from the census data also recognizes that it is called "nora's place" which happened to be the name of the bar before it caught fire closed down and reopened as Nora's II. Unincorporated areas of Wisconsin have actual recognized Wisconsin DOT signage, boundaries, council's and the post office recognizes the locations - like the unincorporated town of bristol - and that does appear on the census, it actually has a population, it has territorial boundaries, and you can find it's zipcode via the United States Post Office zip code lookup. Nora is a BAR and has none of those.
I live in Wisconsin nearby (Marshall), and drive past Nora's all the time (it's an absolute dive btw, and it's been closed down two or three times due to health, underage and fire violations - although the actual fire fixed that violation sorta permanently).
I don't know what data you decided to create this page from, but I'll give you the option of your own speedy before I do it. Timmccloud (talk) 15:50, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi-in the article's talk page, I wrote that I found a citation from the Wisconsin Historical Society which I added to the article. I would contest a speedy deletion because of that citation and the GNIS citation. Thank you-RFD (talk) 16:06, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both for your notes in my talk page and here, but I think you both are using a very diluted and extremely low standard for entry into Wikipedia. A couple houses nearby in google maps street view doesn't create a community - if they did, every housing development over 5 houses in the country would warrant an article. Using the historical society as a reference is also pretty weak; unless there is a historical significance about the place (there isn't - otherwise it would be part of the historical society notation) it doesn't warrant an article either; Wikipedia does have notability guidelines you know. I don't believe just because you can get an "official" hit on some database nobody has cleaned out for years means the location/community is notable - and it's just as likely that because one database somewhere had a hit on Nora, that was used as seed information and replicated the data. And finally the Wisconsin DOT makes note public hunting grounds, dirt roads and places like the rockdale milpond on the map - none of which rate a wikipeida entry because they aren't notable and neither is Nora. Maybe sometime 100 years ago Nora was a thriving community; now it's a bar, a couple houses and a couple farms. When you can dredge up the history of the place and make a notable article I would agree, but I don't agree that Nora is notable enough to even warrant a stub of an article. Timmccloud (talk)
I agree with Tim. I know but the notability on many of the new articles that I've been seeing lately is paper thin even if they can be found in GNIS. I have been noticing a bunch of so-called "communities" with no sign which in reality are a collection of houses along a road or beach on Lake Winnebago (examples 12, 3 from one county). The "community" is being named after the road or the beach. Are we going write articles and photograph all the houses on every minor beach on a lake? Royalbroil05:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I just found a reference saying that Nora has existed since at least 1877 and once had a post office, so that should hopefully settle the specific issue of Nora. As for the general question, I've been wondering about how to deal with communities which are included in the GNIS but seemingly nowhere else. I'm fine with anything that is officially recognized as a community by some source outside of the GNIS (e.g. WisDOT, state or county government, U.S. Postal Service) even if the GNIS doesn't say it's a populated place, and I'm fine with GNIS-designated populated places that have a historical foundation (usually from old books), but the other populated places (like the three you mentioned) can be problematic. Some are probably near-ghost towns which were never all that big, which are a separate matter since they are more likely to have an offline history, but I'm not sure what to do about recent developments. They're clearly "communities" in the sense that they're a group of houses in a defined area, but they generally have no history (or none that can be easily found) and their names aren't widely recognized as far as I can tell. These test the limits of the idea that "all settlements are notable", which has been consensus at AfD for a while now. I addressed a similar issue at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abbotts Mill, Delaware, though there were a lot more communities besides Abbotts Mill in question and the issue was never entirely resolved; the consensus there was that the community wasn't notable, which perhaps suggests that these communities aren't all notable. There was a semi-related issue with places in Humboldt County, California two years ago, which I wasn't involved in; the discussion is at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities/Archive_9#Systematic_inclusion_of_GNIS_unincorporated_communities, though again this left many things unresolved.
Of course, coming up with any general way to treat these articles is incredibly hard. People have been proposing policies about the notability of communities as long as I've been editing, and the closest thing we have to a policy is a semi-written consensus of what to do when these pages come to AfD that still isn't always followed. Since these discussions always attract vocal editors from both sides, most of them just lead to one side saying the GNIS and other databases are practically infallible and the other trying to get rid of incorporated places with hundreds of people because they've been stubs for too long, and they argue for a while without making progress. Even if the editors involved were more willing to compromise, there are too many differences between jurisdictions to have an official policy that isn't extremely inclusionist or extremely deletionist. For instance, Illinois and Arkansas publish county highway maps online which sometimes have more communities than the GNIS, Wisconsin and West Virginia publish county highway maps with many but not all of the communities in the GNIS, and California and Virginia don't publish any county highway maps online, and those are just the states that I know about off the top of my head, so highway maps are only a fair test for certain states; this is without even considering countries besides the US, many of which don't even have online census data much less detailed maps. Without using databases to some extent it's a lot harder to avoid systemic bias or delete legitimate communities, so I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt to communities like the three you mentioned in general, though I'm willing to be reasonable about the specific cases. (Sorry for such a long post, but there's a lot of history here.) TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation07:13, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi-the 3 communities that Royalbroil are mentioned in the Dictionary of Wisconsin History that is published by the Wisconsin Historical Society and that also serves as a gazetteer for the state of Wisconsin. Thank you-RFD (talk) 17:08, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the Wisconsin counties have local books about the history of the counties including the various communities. The problem is many of the books are not online so one would have to go to the local library. I started articles Zander, Wisconsin, Zion, Wisconsin, and Zittau, Wisconsin. I look at my Wisconsin DeLorme Atlas and decided to finish the Zs involving the unincorporated communities in Wisconsin. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 14:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Lincoln, I'd rather see the disambiguation pages for US places left as double disambiguation pages rather than merged, but it appears consensus disagrees with me. Nonetheless, I don't plan on doing any of the actual merges. Hopefully whoever does will keep the town/community identifiers, and I might put them back in if someone takes them out. I also found another Lincoln, which I added to the disambiguation page. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation02:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
El Paso (community), Wisconsin, Viking, Wisconsin-my DeLorme atlas had Viking on the St. Croix/Pierce Counties line but the GNIS listed Viking as just being in Pierce County so I went with GNIS. Hatchville, Wisconsin, GNIS lists it in Dunn County and also in Pierce & St. Croix Counties so I went with GNIS on that one. I used TShiloh12's category about unincorporated communities in Dunn County rather then the more general category. Thank you-RFD (talk) 14:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hrmm...offhand, I'm not sure. What I can do is check the Richmond County map that we have downstairs and see how many of those places are listed. Even when the state doesn't put them on maps I've noticed that the counties usually do. Beyond that, I can't think of anything short of checking with people in Richmond. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa.16:22, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
hi- I was going to start an article about Anacker, Wisconsin but this gets complicated. My DeLorme atlas places Anacker in Columbia County but the GNIS has Anacker in Columbia and Marquette Counties. If you have time would you please take a look at this? Thank you-RFD (talk) 12:33, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I checked with WisDOT's map of Columbia County, and it looks like Anacker is only in Columbia County. If Anacker is in Marquette County, it includes more land than either the WisDOT map or satellite maps would indicate. It could be that Anacker is very spread out, but it seems more likely that it's just located in Columbia County, so I'm leaving it that way. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation18:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi-I came across 4 unincorporated communities named Union-3 of them are in Eau Claire, Grant, and Rock Counties and are related to the towns of that name in those counties. The 4th one is Union Church, Wisconsin in Racine County. That gets a little tricky. Union Church is not only in Racine County but also in Waukesha and Milwaukee Counties. There are no towns in Milwaukee County and hence no unincorporated communities in Milwaukee County. That is where it gets complicated. Thank you again-RFD (talk) 12:30, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A correction-there is an unincorporated community of Union in Grant County but there is no town of Union in Grant County-Thank you-RFD (talk) 13:49, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for doing the articles. Union Church was a little confusing since gnis had it partially in milwaukee county-thank you again-RFD (talk) 00:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since the southeast corner of Waukesha County is in Muskego, the only county with unincorporated land by Union Church is Racine. WisDOT's map of Racine County includes Union Church, whereas its maps of the other two counties don't, so it seems like Union Church is only in Racine County. Eau Claire County has an unusual situation, though. According to the "Unincorporated communities" section of Eau Claire County, Wisconsin, Shawtown, Truax, and Union were annexed by Eau Claire. Based on their coordinates and this map, it seems that Shawtown is part of Eau Claire but Truax is still in the Town of Union and Union straddles the border but is at least partly unincorporated. I'm not entirely sure when Eau Claire expanded and if it plans to expand again, though. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation01:02, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I remember that according to Wisconsin state law, a city and village could not annexed land where the town hall is located so because of this law Eau Claire did not annexed the land where the Union Town Hall is located. Thanks-RFD (talk) 01:09, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Note I accidentally started an article on Eleva Station in Jackson County which is a locale. I moved the article to Pray, Wisconsin which is an unincorporated community. I may want to check that out-my apologies for any problems-thank you-RFD (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Eleva Station doesn't appear to be very close to Pray, and I've only found one source aside from the GNIS (and sites which use GNIS data) which even mentions it, which is unusual for a settlement, so it doesn't deserve its own article. I changed the redirect to Knapp, Wisconsin, since Eleva Station is within Knapp. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation21:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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You say I do not add a neutral view on the Mount Olympus waterpark page yet the page is nothing but one big advertising for the place. The fact that they do not acknowledge safety in the park is true but that's not allowed. The fact that it's a place that employs untrained workers many of which do not speak English is the truth but not allowed. The fact that they don't respond to inquiries on injuries is the truth but not allowed. I believe the page should include some comment on the lack of training if people are going to be flying up in the air on bungee cords. But the self appointed one has no problem with the absolute fluff piece currently available which is most definitely not neutral. There must be something in between — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsteffen127 (talk • contribs) 07:31, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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I moved the article about the stream to Cedar Creek (Wisconsin). There was a redirect with an edit history there, so I had to delete it first. Turns out that was the original title of the article, but someone moved it to Cedar Creek, Wisconsin against naming conventions for bodies of water. Everything should be fine now. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation03:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Tornado, West Virginia into Upper Falls, West Virginia
Please complete this merger. The separate articles are a source of confusion. There is a consensus of support for this merger. There is no opposition.Thpn (talk) 15:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I added the brief history of the brief-lived Tornado CDP.
The printed map of the Tornado CDP that I was consulting appeared to extend deep into Lincoln County. Thank you for the better online map. I stand corrected.
The attribution of the name Tornado to malice is unsubstantiated (although the prevailing folklore.) I removed the reference and added citations for the creation of both post offices. The Tornado Post Office was empirically created during Reconstruction, so that fact remains.
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You may also want to look at the Hubertus, Wisconsin and Colgate, Wisconsin articles. Both communities are partially in the village of Richfield in Washington County and in Wisconsin towns. The above communities could be neighborhoods in the villages of Germantown and Richfield. The village of Richfield was incorporated in the last 2-3 years and was the town of Richfield. The town of Germantown in Washington County has some territorial parcels that are seperate from each other. I am surprise the village of Germantown has not annexed whats left of the town of Germantown. Thank you again-RFD (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Based on WisDOT's county map, Victory Center is definitely part of the village, and Rockfield probably is too. I've been meaning to do something about the Dheinsville article (and a similar one on Pleasant Hill, Wisconsin for a while, but I haven't gotten around to it. At some point I'll work on all four of those; if I can't find anything about them, I'll merge them with the village articles. Hubertus should be fine as it is, since it's all in the same county (I added an infobox). Colgate is a tricky case since it straddles a county line, so the Waukesha County half is unincorporated and the Washington County half isn't; this makes listing it in the county templates tricky. To complicate matters, it looks like the post office is on the Washington County side, so I probably can't do what I did with Lake Five, Wisconsin, which has a similar situation. Unless you have any ideas, I'll see if WikiProject Wisconsin has anything to say about that one. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation23:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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There is an editor who's putting descriptions of certain military aviation accidents into town or lake articles. Check Poland, Maine, Flagstaff Lake (Maine) for just two examples. He isn't just putting descriptions of the accidents in the articles but also a incident box, aviation template, plus links to aviation related categories. I have been removing the last two types of edits. Poland Maine isn't an aviation incident in 1982. Another small Maine town article looks more an aviation incident page than a town article. By the way none of these aviation incidents have articles. Any of those that involved fatalities would probably be notable enough for an independent article.
What I want is your input on this and I'm going to send the editor a message that I posted here. If you reply, write here. I'll keep an eye out.- William00:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the accidents probably aren't notable enough to have their own articles; WP:AIRCRASH has higher standards for military accidents, which I'm not sure any of these crashes meet. Any coverage of the accidents should therefore focus on its relevance to the place and not simply be written as if an article on the crash had been merged to the place's article. This means the descriptions are more or less fine since they're part of the place's history, but the infoboxes don't belong (and are confusing anyway, especially in the case of North Oxford, Maine), and neither do the templates and categories. The images don't belong either, since none of them are pictures of the crash; while they would be good for illustration in an article about the crash, it's not necessary to illustrate part of one section of a place article if the image isn't directly related. Something like the descriptions in Sebago Lake or Mount Abraham (Maine) is probably the best option. I wouldn't worry too much about giving undue weight to the crash in the articles, since that's mostly because the articles didn't have an existing history section and should get straightened out over time. Another alternative might be to put the more detailed descriptions of the crashes in their relevant airport or air force base artices, though I'm not as clear on the notability guidelines for doing that, and leave a short description with any relevant details in the place article. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation04:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
William suggested I put my two cents in here. I'm a bit new to some of these procedures for special interest groups; but I want to conform. I understand the issue about not including the aviation accident templates on non-specific articles. I suggest the issue of including aviation accident information within location articles (either physical/lake/mountain or political/town/census division) deserves some discussion. It boils down to the comparative merit of two stub articles versus one comprehensive article. There are some location articles with a volume of information and history available for a full article; but a much greater number of the places I write about are stubs.
North Oxford, Maine, for example, covers 15 townships, but has a total population of 17 living in 9 dwellings (the census reports that as 0 per square mile). It's a bit off the beaten path; and when a plane crashed there 70 years ago, killing the equivalent of half the population, it took folks two days to locate the wreckage. If anything else has happened there, no one has written about it, and it probably wouldn't be notable if they did. A majority of the strangers traveling there today do so to find the aircraft wreckage and memorial.
I certainly wouldn't advocate putting aviation accident information in a class B or better location article, and generally limit my edits of such articles to a sentence of short paragraph with links to a separate article. But in cases of stub or start articles, I suggest information be consolidated until the article grows large enough to require separate articles rather than creating another stub which then appears on a growing "to do" list as requiring expansion. If, as is the case in North Oxford, the accident is perceived as a significant element of the location's history, I suggest it appropriate to present that information in standardized format for comparison and to include that article in categories identifying the aviation significance to assist people searching for information.Thewellman (talk) 07:51, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that in most cases the accident is a significant part of the place's history, especially somewhere like North Oxford that doesn't have much other history, and the information should definitely stay. However, that doesn't change the problem that North Oxford itself is a territory and not an aviation accident. There is way to categorize the accident without putting North Oxford into odd categories, though. What you might want to do here is redirect Deer Mountain B-17 bomber crash (or whatever the title of the crash's page would be were it independently notable) and categorize the redirect, so anyone who wants information on the crash can find it in categories but the North Oxford page itself won't be affected. As for the infoboxes, anything important in there can be put into the article as prose. Infoboxes are usually only used in articles or the occasional list, and are rarely used for subsections of articles. (Incidentally, the North Oxford crash seemed like the most notable of the bunch to me, and if you can write an article on that which passes the general notability guideline, go for it.) TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation08:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for identifying the infobox as a third rail. I'll take care not to touch it again. I must confess disappointment, however. The thirty years I spent as an engineer translating technical information into a format lay jurists would use in legal enforcement proceedings taught me about the way people read. Using the North Oxford accident as an example, just about everyone could understand "World War II bomber crash"; so that's the sort of language I would put in a summary. "United States Army Air Force B-17 lost in a thunderstorm enroute to the strategic bombing of Europe" is about as much text as most readers will tolerate before turning the page. "Boeing B-17G-75-BO Flying Fortress number 44-38023 makes controlled flight into terrain on 11 July 1944 enroute from Kearney Field to Dow Field" is of potential interest to readers wondering if this might be one of the aircraft Aunt Irene built, or one Grandpa might have refueled while stationed in Nebraska, or the same model Uncle John was shot down in over Germany; but it really needs to be isolated in a visually distinctive format to be located by those people or ignored by readers who find it undecipherable. The infobox would have been a very good format for that purpose.
I remain puzzled by your removal of the aircraft images. Most wreck site photos resemble a picture of a poorly tended solid waste disposal site and require extensive text descriptions to convey useful information to the reader. A photo of the type of aircraft involved, however, quickly gives the reader a way to conceptualize the event and try to identify the twisted piece of sheet aluminum he observed while visiting the crash site. I notice many of the aircraft accident and incident articles include a photo of a similar aircraft rather than the actual aircraft, and I don't understand why images of similar aircraft wouldn't be just as valuable when referring to such events in other articles.
I appreciate encouragement to write a separate article on the Deer Mountain B-17 crash, but it seems to be clearly outside of the notability criteria for military aircraft accidents. I have replaced my similarly non-notable 1960 Maine KC-97 Stratotanker crash article with a redirect as you suggested. I truly want to conform to Wikipedia standards and not repeat the discouragement of having a Wikipedia member systematically dismantle days of work researching pieces of information required for a format that didn't even belong in the article. Maine's unique location at the end of the United States northeast peninsula gives it an unusual distribution of aircraft accidents. As an ideal location for peripheral military bases, and rarely traversed by civilian airliners, nearly all of the state's high-fatality accidents involved military aircraft; and the two worst were unrelated events occurring 100 miles apart on the same day.Thewellman (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I sympathize with you, and I wish there was a better place to put the content. I personally wouldn't have a problem with having an article on most of those crashes, or at least a list of minor aviation incidents in Maine, so then we could keep the information about the crashes without worrying about giving them undue weight in the geography articles. Unfortunately, consensus around here disagrees with me, so as far as I can tell there's no better place to put the content than in the history of the place where it happened. It annoys me that we'll probably lose helpful information as a result, but I'm more of an inclusionist than a lot of other editors, and it is what it is. As it stands though, the aviation incidents aren't independently notable, and adding an infobox about them is in a way working around the notability requirements for aviation accidents at the expense of the existing geography articles. If there were a whole section of the article about the crash, it might be worth adding the infobox, but there probably won't be in this case (I know some articles don't have any other history yet, but they presumably will at some point). As for the images, I've thought a bit more about them, and they'd probably be fine in the articles so long as there aren't already a ton of images of the place. In a case like North Oxford where there aren't any other pictures yet, they'd probably be helpful. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation22:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Beijing Changping Line
Hi, I saw you've been going through the new Beijing Subway articles, thanks for that! I have a question, and I think you might know the answer or perhaps direct me to the right person.
If you look at any of the articles about stations of the Changping line, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi%27erqi_Station
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanshao_Station
or any of them,
you will see that the succession box is broken. It says "Line Changping" instead of "Changping Line". All the other lines on the Beijing Subway are ok, it's just this one that has this problem. Do you know how to fix it?
I've already been fixing other template-related issues for the succession boxes of many lines, such as station names, termini, etc., but I have no idea how to solve this particular problem.
Thanks,
Azylber (talk) 11:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Changping Line was left off of Template:BJS lines, which is used to format the line links in the succession box, so it was defaulting to the standard link (which doesn't make sense in this case). I added it as a special case to the template, so it should be fixed now. If the issue comes up again, it's probably because of that template. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation21:12, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thank you for fixing it and for the explanation. I suspected it was defaulting to some more generic template but I had no idea which template it would be or how to find out the name of the template that needed to be created/modified. I get it. Thanks!
Azylber (talk) 21:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I've worked on the similar templates for American systems before, which have had the same sort of issues. If you need any more help just ask.
By the way, I've had to tag most of your new articles as unreferenced. If you have a map or a list of stations, could you please cite that as a source in your new articles? It at least confirms that the station exists, so nobody thinks it's a mistake or a hoax later on. I'd find one myself, but you appear to know far more about the Beijing subway then I do, and I can't read sources in Chinese anyway. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation02:17, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would have wanted to put the official Beijing Subway website map as a reference, but the last time I checked, the map was out of date!
I mean, grossly out of date, like a year and half out of date. Or, to put it in Chinese terms, 4 lines out of date!!
Now I found this other website, beijing.cn, which doesn't claim to be official, but it must be, if it has the domain beijing.cn
The map on this one is up to date afaik:
http://jtcx.beijing.cn/bjdt/
We could use this one, although obviously there is no guarantee that it will stay up to date.
Also, do we have to edit all the hundreds of articles about each station and add the reference one by one?
That would take forever. And if we later on have to change the reference, it would take forever again.
So the question is: what's the best way to do this? (I'm asking because I'm not very familiar with the way this problem is dealt with on Wikipedia).
I've actually never had this problem before, since most US systems both aren't undergoing major expansions and are better about updating their websites. I discovered that the beijing.cn map you linked to is also linked from the official Beijing subway website, so it's probably an official map; of course, at the rate the system is expanding there's no guarantee that will stay up-to-date. The same site also appears to have individual pages for each station, such as this one for Xi'erqi Station. These would probably be better references since they won't be out of date as soon as a new station opens, and I've used similar pages as references for other systems.
As for adding the references, I've taken on similar projects before when transit companies have moved their websites, and it probably won't take as long as you think. I'd just add them in myself, but since I can't read Chinese I can only add the ones I can either get a proper translation for or match the Chinese name to the one in the article, and the whole website is harder for me to work with (and there's no equivalent English version). It doesn't help that transfer stations have separate pages for each website. I've added references to Xi'erqi Station; if you wouldn't mind, could you review those to make sure I didn't make any mistakes in translation?
For now, I'd just recommend that you try to add references to any new articles you write, and if you can try to add them to the other articles. I'll help where I can, but as I said I probably can't do too much. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation
The main reason for the speedy request was more the formatting etc of the original post as the progress of time made comparison with any existing website difficult. I still think this is likely a copy and paste from some where although that said had I noticed the other copies I wouldn't have tagged it. Annoyed at myself for making the mistake and can only put it down to having dealt with too many of the {{copypaste}} backlog yesterday. Sorry about that. Dpmuk (talk) 18:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Colonel Van T. Barfoot died. He received the Medal of Honor during World War II. Consequently I started an article about Edinburg, Mississippi=Colonel Barfoot's birthplace. The article needs an infobox. There is a Zipcode of 39051 but Edinburg, Mississippi was not listed in Nyttend/s Zipcode Directory. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 00:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The articles look fine to me. Unlike some of the other communities which cross state lines, these are definitely two separate places, since the Maryland side is incorporated and the Delaware side is not. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation22:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi-Two items: 1- I just got finished with a disambiguation page about Liberty Hill, Tennessee. There are 10 unincorporated communities in Tennessee named Liberty Hill. I redirected it and it goof up the existing Liberty Hill, Williamson County, Tennessee article. The talk page will have to be redo. 2- I redirected the North Bay, New York article. For some reason it was redirected to an article about a horror movie. I am not familiar with New York State local government so the North Bay, New York needs to be redone. Many thanks for the info box to the Bernadotte, Minnesota article. As always my thanks-RFD (talk) 12:13, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for doing the various Liberty Hill, Tennessee articles and the unincorporated community of Brockway, Wisconsin article also.RFD (talk) 10:46, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Indian Heights, Wisconsin
Hi-I came across a red link in the U.S. Route 12 in Wisconsin article about Indian Heights, Wisconsin. It is an interchange just inside Juneau County. In researching this the GNIS has information about the unincorporated community of Indian Heights, Wisconsin in the town of Albion in Dane County-GNIS#1842475 but nothing about Indian Heights in Juneau County. I think Indian Heights in Juneau County may be a subdivision within the Ho-Chunk Nation. I am relunctant to start an article about the unincorporated community of Indian Heights in Dane County without trying to get some clarity about the redlink in the US Route 12 in Wisconsin concerning Indian Heights in Juneau County. Many thanks for any help on this-RFD (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I look up GNIS and came across some communities in Iowa and Illinois named Midway. I started Midway, Iowa. Illinois is a little complicated-there is an existing article-Midway, Illinois for the community in Christian County. But there are several unincorporated communities named Midway. They are in Massac, Madison, Vermillon, Tazewell County as well as the one in Christian County. There is a Midway County in Fulton County but that is historical. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 21:16, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Unincorporated communities in Lake County of Minnesota
Dear TheCatalyst31,
I noticed you were able to add an infobox (with a pinpoint map and GNIS info.) to the unincorporated communities of Lake County, Minnesota that I added over the weekend.
(Cramer, Highland, McNair, Sawbill Landing, Section Thirty, Stewart, Toimi, and Wells). Thanks for doing that.
The following 10 unincorporated communities of Lake County already had existing Wikipedia articles, but are still missing an infobox (with a pinpoint map and GNIS info.)
(Castle Danger, East Beaver Bay, Finland, Illgen City, Isabella, Knife River, Larsmont, Lax Lake, Little Marais, and Murphy City.)
Plus the nearby Cook County of Minnesota unincorporated communities of Hovland and Grand Portage are also missing an infobox (with a pinpoint map and GNIS info.) They also had existing Wikipedia articles.
How do I go about getting these added to these 12 articles ?
Hi- I added the GNIS citations to the articles. That should help. The infoboxes still need to be added. Thank you-RFD (talk) 19:58, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The GNIS info for the communities can be found by going here and searching for the name of the community. Communities will normally be classified as populated places, though occasionally they will be locales. The format for the infoboxes can be copied from one of the infoboxes I already made; hopefully most of the fields are self-explanatory, though they are also explained at Template:Infobox settlement. The maps will be added automatically based on the coordinates as long as the pushpin_map=Minnesota field is left in. If you have any other questions about it, feel free to ask. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation22:11, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Devils Fork West Virginia
Devils Fork was a community that was indeed renamed later to Stephenson. However, When it was a town, it had its own coal mnines which resided in Raleigh County, Stephenson WV did not. There is a Devils Fork Road near Amigo, West Virginia,, that is Whee the original Devils Fork Community was, Stephenson is nearby but not the exact same place. Can we please remove the redirect??Coal town guy (talk) 14:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was able to provide a mine map reference for Devils Fork which shows the town as distinct from Stephenson. This is a WVGS resource which is free for public useCoal town guy (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Although the USGS GNIS does indeed identify a town place name and what is used to be named, it is NOT the correct thing to redirect to its current place name. Because a place became another current place name, it does NOT mean that they were identicle. Devils Fork, with references, clearly shows, its newer place name is not an indentity to its previous history. Could we please come to an agreement on this topic within either the WIKIproject for Wv or somewhere???Coal town guy (talk) 16:14, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with a place like Devils Fork having its own article, as long as the article makes it clear that it's a separate place from Stephenson. The current article shows that, so it's fine. I redirected the article originally because it said that Devils Fork has been renamed to Stephenson and the only reference was to the GNIS page for Stephenson, so it appeared to be the same community; I now see that they're not exactly the same place. By the way, could you please cite the specific map that shows Devils Fork as a separate place? The link in the article now goes to a long list of maps, and it's not clear which one shows the two places separately. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation18:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I very much appreciate your reply. I must apologize if I came on a bit strongly, but after nearly 10 years walking/driving/interviewing in the area, I have become rather dedicated to trying to document some of these places, which are at best, remote. I listed the specific map in the article, but yes, I can pprovide the specific image link. I am also struggling to create an agreed upon coal town/coal camp definition that Wikipedians may use. I will create the article, but I would very much welcome any and all input you could provide. This area of research has become littered with assumptions that I hope my efforts here on Wikipedia can dispel. Thanks so much for the replyCoal town guy (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I'm glad to see there's another editor who's working on this region; I'm not from the area, but I've become one of the main editors in West Virginia just because there were so many missing community articles. It helps to have someone from the area editing the articles, as I often have no way to tell if a community is still inhabited or not since many sources for the area are out of date. If you need any help with editing, feel free to ask me. I agree that there should be a standard for what a coal camp/town is. There probably needs to be an article on the topic, too; at the moment, Coal town redirects to Company town, and Coal camp has no article, though there is definitely enough material specifically about coal camps for them to warrant their own article. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation21:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks. I luckily own an originakl signed copy of The History of Raleigh County WV by Jim Wood and have started a DRAFT of an article which will of course have citation to the book as well as other sources. Coal Ca,ps/towns were not the garden variety company town, a subset certainly, but there were just far too many abberation in that fornula to justify a universal definition. I will start tonight and I look forward to any help you can provide. Hey, I want a Barnstar like nobody knows Coal town guy (talk) 22:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey- Thought I would take you up on your offer of help, here is my problem: Battleship WV is down the road from my Mothers town. It exists on a road named, Battleship Camp which refers to its status as a former Coal Camp. That road is on most maps. They are NOT in GNIS. They are a place name at WV Historical Society place names. HOW do I get a reference on this? So far I have used a terra server GPS link, which is rather accurate. Many thanks Coal town guy (talk) 22:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I know the site creator well, he and I explored what was left of Hot Coal no too many years ago. My web page, www.whitbywv.com, has a few things on Battleship as well. MUCH appreciated. I will finish correcting the locations in Grant County that have no references and then get a STUB for a coal town definition started. Many ThanksCoal town guy (talk) 01:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like I cited a map from your website without knowing it. If you're going to write an article about coal towns, you might want to expand it in your userspace until it's longer than a stub; the last attempt at an article got merged because it was a stub, so it's probably better to wait until it's longer before making it an article. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation02:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, it will need to be much more. Feel free to link to www.whitbywv.com if it is for Wiki purposes. Waaaay back in 2002, Whitby was barely on the web, much less an encyclopediaCoal town guy (talk) 02:24, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Parchman, Mississippi and Mississippi State Peniteniary
Hi-the Parchman, Mississippi article had gotten redirected to the Mississippi State Peniteniary with little or no discussion. I feel this is a mistake. GNIS ids exist for Parchman, Mississippi and Mississippi State Peniteniary. I added the MSP GNIS id to the MSP article. The redirect should be revert and Parchman, Mississippi should have its own article. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:30, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I actually think it's fine that Parchman was merged into the Mississippi State Penitentiary article. It appears that the history of Parchman is intertwined with the history of the prison, as the community did not exist before the prison was put there, and there isn't much to the community besides the prison. Besides, "Parchman" is generally used as shorthand for the prison since it was known as Parchman Farm, so most references to Parchman are likely going to be references to the prison. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation17:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for your response-some of the maps have Parchman, Mississippi listed on the maps. Also you do have 2 GNIS ids- one for the prison and one for the community of Parchman. I will go along with Parchman being merged into the state peniteniary. I think the article should take into account the 2 GNIS for the same area. Thank you-RFD (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the reason why I redirected "Parchman, Mississippi" to the prison article is because Parchman is the prison. It's the same with "Angola, Louisiana" redirects to Louisiana State Penitentiary - The "prison" and "place" GNIS IDs are separate but I think that's just due to being two separate categories (one for places, one for prisons). It's fine to take note of the "institution"-based ID as a footnote in the place infobox, with the primary GNIS ID being the "place" ID. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:04, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
BTW about "Many thanks for your response-some of the maps have Parchman, Mississippi listed on the maps. " - That is the prison being listed on the map. Scroll down to Mississippi State Penitentiary#Location_and_composition and it's all explained. '"Parchman" appears as a place on highway maps. The "Parchman" dot represents the MSP main entrance and several MSP buildings, with the prison territory located to the west of the main entrance.' WhisperToMe (talk) 04:15, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey- I just wanted to drop a thanks as I have actually started to get a decent grasp of maps and coordinates and GNIS citing. At this point I have created over 100 unincorporated WV pages and a few hundred edits. It is encyclopedic and neutralm, but it does remind me of a time when I travelled to those places. Many thanks for your help and as always, if I can help, let me know. Its surprising to see how many places still need to be entered for WV alone!Coal town guy (talk) 15:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I should thank you for putting so much effort into new community articles; it's great to see another editor working on missing communities, especially since there are still so many missing articles. For a while I was probably the only active editor working on WV communities, and since I work on several other states as well, progress was fairly slow; WV also seems to have a lot of unincorporated communities compared to some other states. I know what you mean about places you've travelled to; a lot of my first community articles were about places I had been to, as are several of my longer articles, some of which I probably wouldn't have spent as much time on if I hadn't been there. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation17:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can easily see another 5 to 600 community pages for WV alone and since the release of the census data for 1940, LOTS of data updates there as well. Some of the larger counties are ginormous in scope, Kanawha is a mind bender for certain, SO MANY MISSING PLACESCoal town guy (talk) 17:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, for a relatively small state, WV has a lot of counties with 100+ or even 200+ unincorporated communities. I remember it took me quite a while to finish Greenbrier County, and it's not even one of the worst. It was a bit of a shock to me at first, since I started writing about communities in Illinois and Wisconsin where most counties have around 30 places and you can complete one in a few hours' work. I'm not sure why WV has so many; I'd suspect it's because of the Appalachians, except eastern Virginia and parts of the South have just as many communities. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation18:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect you would be correct. I have decided that I would need to add at least 30+ more communities to Kanawha alone, and I also want to add some images for Gilmer county places, Gilmer COUNTY has ONE stoplight, they were small in the 1970's when I was a kid, they have niot changed much. I suspect MANY more additions to the sounthern countiesCoal town guy (talk) 00:21, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Diaperville, Wisconsin and Mann, Wisconsin
Hi-I work on the Diaperville, Wisconsin article. Diaperville was also know as Old Odanah. I found a citation and added it on to the article. I redirected Old Odanah, Wisconsin to the Diaperville, Wisconsin article. Am I doing this right. Also I started an article about Mann, Wisconsin. Thank you-RFD (talk) 18:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi-When I found out Dakota Junction, Minnesota was redirected and needed to become an article, I also found out Dakota Junction, Nebraska also existed so I started that article and it needs an infobox. Apparently Nebraska Junction, Nebraska is an important railroad community. Dakota Junction Minnesota and Nebrsaka are listed in the Dakota disambiguation page. Thank you-RFD (talk) 10:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Nioty to beat the dead horse, but I did some rough research in place names and what is on Wikipedia versus GNIS data as they pertain to unincorporated WV communities. EGAD, IF my math is correct, there are well over 2000 places to document. Looks like, there is alot of work to do. Wetzel County, Wood County and Jackson county are just the tip of the iceberg. Anyway, it will become imporatant soon to have a coal town classigfication as opposed to an unincorporated community status give the sheer numbers I am encountering now. Additionally, is there a former petroleum produce cat for WV???? See Volcano WV in Wood county as a reference as to what I mean. Working hard, having funCoal town guy (talk) 14:24, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there are attempts but I am at a quandry, the definitions that have been attempted are in all honesty, and experience well........false. Of the 110+ coal towns in southern wv I can say, I have been to and seen, none had a saloon, few had a bank, as to a Sheriff, that an entirely different animal, it would have depended on the year. IF I try to write a coal town definition article, I have the ominous feeling it will get chewed on, and I am willing to go through the duress if it can contribute, but this wild west ghost town thing aint a coal town and I say that with all due respect for folks who are in all earnest effort attempting to write out a definition. I think I will be trying a sandbox thing on this soon. The mining community article, thats also, riddled with myths, it just is not what I have seen, or what my relatives lived.Keeping the faith and gathering my references. You r reply is much appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi- In the Interstate 39 article, I saw a redlink for Lake DuBay, Wisconsin connecting CTH-39 with Interstate 39. Knowlton, Wisconsin is also connected with it. The problem is I can not any GNIS information about Lake DuBay being an unincorporated community. However, you have the body of water Lake DuBay listed in the GNIS. There are real estate information listed about homes on Lake DuBay. Many thanks as always=RFD (talk) 11:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I started an article on the lake, which also has information about homes on the lake. Aside from Knowlton, I don't think there's a specific community connected with the lake which deserves its own article. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation17:47, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for starting the article. I found out that in Wisconsin you have property owner associations that regulate the quality of water, etc., and these associations exist with the approval of the federal, state, and local governments. I found out about this when I edited the various census-designated places and unincorporated communities in Wisconsin. These associations have meetings, officers, by-laws and work with the government. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Summit, Waukesha County, Wisconsin & Bethesda, Wisconsin
Hi-In 2010, the town of Summit, Waukesha County, Wisconsin became a village. I made the changes in various articles. Also 2 unincorporated communities in Summit ceased to be unincorporated communities and are neighborhoods. Also I started an article Bethesda, Wisconsin which in the town of Genesee. In the next few years we may be seeing towns in Walworth, Racine, Kenosha, Waukesha Counties being incorporated as villages or even cities. The same can be said for Outagamie, Calumet, Winnebago, Brown Counties. Part of the town of Harrison in Calumet County including Darboy thinking about incorporating as a village. I hope I mmade the right correction for the Summit, Waukesha County, Wisconsin article. Thank you-RFD (talk) 14:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article on Summit looks good. Might as well add Dane County to that list; according to its town articles, a few of its towns are already planning to incorporate or become part of Madison. I wouldn't be surprised if a few other counties will be losing towns as well, it seems like a lot want to incorporate. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation20:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Entry on Institute for Business in the Global Context
Hello:
The entry created on IBGC was deleted. Your advice on how to make this entry acceptable would be much appreciated. I'm happy to rewrite it. This institute is part of The Fletcher School at Tufts University [1] and is legitimate.
I'm a first time Wiki user, which is why I created the entry on my user page only, and did not publish it. It’s work in progress. What changes would you recommend I make? Would starting a new "bare bone" entry be a good start, supporting it with references?
I believe North Ravenswood WV had a Post Office. I will try to confirm. However, it has a seperate GNIS entry and used to be called Elford. That qualifies for me. Can we plaese keep it on and I will do my utmost to show this??Coal town guy (talk) 13:00, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have just confirmed that Elford, now called North Ravenswood had a post Office. Ergo, its a former unincorporated community. I will update ASAP.Coal town guy (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks. My grandmother was a postmaster in WV. She passed on at 93, and trhe places she knew were amazing. LOTS of post offices to say the least. I have not been to Jackson County since probbaly the late 90's. It was fun though.Coal town guy (talk) 02:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Gaslyn, Wisconsin
Hi-in the St. Croix Chippewa Indians of Wisconsin article there is redlink for Gaslyn, Wisconsin in Burnett County. It is one of the major communities for the tribe. However, GNIS just lists it as a lake and historical school. Any ideas? Many thanks=RFD (talk) 13:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
RFD- If you know the area well you can go to terra server and locate the area on an older sat image. The GUI will provide the geo coordinates for you. I encountered the same issue with Battleship West Virginia. Hope this worksCoal town guy (talk) 14:37, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is the St Croix Chippewas list Gaslyn, Wisconsin as one of their major communities. Terrasaver shows it as a lake and GNIS mentions the same thing and also mentions a historical school as well. Gaslyn, Wisconsin may be an unincorporated community but is not listed as such. Thank you-RFD (talk) 16:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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VERY much appreciate your guidance for WV towns. I have and will continue to learn more. Just cracked 300 articles and see many many more yet to come Coal town guy (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lac Courte Oreilles Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians
Hi-in the Lac Courte Oreilles Band of Lake Chippewa Indians article is a listing of some communities existing within the reservation. 13 of the communities are red links. They are probably legitiment. You may want to take a look. Thanks-RFD (talk) 10:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what to do about the Lac Courte Oreilles communities. I can't find any of them in the GNIS, on WisDOT maps, or on Sawyer County maps, and the tribe doesn't mention any communities on its website. On the other hand, I've confirmed the existence of a few of them through newspaper articles, so they probably are for the most part legitimate (though I suspect a few are informal names). I'm reluctant to start articles about any of them without figuring out where they are though, since all I could say is that this community exists and is on the reservation. I wish I could find more information though; Indian communities seem to be less documented in the major geographic sources, but I don't want their omissions to be carried over to Wikipedia if I can help it. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation22:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the red links with the edit note that some of them are streets. The Lac Courte Oreilles tribe may put more specific information on their website or elsewhere in the future-many thanks for your help-RFD (talk) 23:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have come to point of requesting some help. I have also asked Acroterion the same question but here goes. Eight WV had a PO that closed in 1936. It has NO geo coordimnates in GNIS. SO, I found a map, got a former resident of the area, went to topozone and got some coordinates. HOW do I reference thse coordinates OR do I just jam in the data? I have a reference from GNIS for the Post Office already. ANY advice you could give, would be greatly appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your feedback about my first entry. Following your advice I created a sub page: agneshatley/Institute for Business in the Global Context. It's very simple at this point, supported by many references.
Wow, that was fast work! So in the course of about 3/4 hour or so we've moved from the point where an editor had PRODded the Sage, California dab page saying "Per MOS:DABRL, a red link should only be included if a non-DAB article includes such a link. I can find no such link to Sage, Riverside County, California. Therefore, this is a DAB with only one item." (which never seemed to be true, as there were a couple of incoming links all along), to my creation of a ministub and your expansion of it. Thanks. Just shows how useful Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Article alerts can be. PamD21:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I actually noticed your new article while newpage patrolling, since I usually watch out for new community articles. I appreciate your effort, too; I think community disambiguation pages shouldn't have MOS:DABRL strictly applied to them in the first place, as the redlinked pages usually get articles eventually and deleting them just creates more work for us community editors once the dab pages are actually necessary. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation22:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi-I came acrosse two communities nameed White City in Wisconsin. The first one is in Vernon County in the town of Union. No problems with that one. The second one in in Ashland County. That one is very close to the city of Mellen and I can't determined if that community is part of the city of Mellen or in the town of Morse. Any help would be appreciated. As always thank you for helping out with the infoboxes. Thank you again-RFD (talk) 00:04, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
From what I can tell, the White City in Ashland County is part of Mellen. Considering that the GNIS uses a local chamber of commerce guide as its source, I don't think that White City is notable, so there should only be an article for the Vernon County one, with no disambiguation. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation02:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have uploaded postmarks from my collection for WV coal towns. One of my fils is on the UNfree list.....What does that mean? Its a postmark, from my collection, I scanned it and the argunment appears to be the postmark was not free??? Well, thats a fact, I did pay 38 cents for it........Coal town guy (talk) 02:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that the problem is that the image contains a stamp in it, and the stamp is copyrighted (US stamps issued since 1978 are copyrighted by the Postal Service and are not public domain). I don't know the law too well, but since the stamp isn't the subject of the image, I'm not sure why it's an issue. Alternately, the image could probably be cropped so the part of the stamp which isn't covered by the postmark isn't included. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation03:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am very appreciative of the reply. The postmark covers the stamp so removing the stamp means NO postmark. I removed the postmark from the article. The logic applied seemed so absurd that I could not be patient enough to erxplain that e the crux was NOT the stamp, it was the postmark. Oh well, I have another edit to make. It really does NOT make it easy when the people who edit the material do not have much of an inkling as to the use and purpose of said image and the fact that its a partial OH wellCoal town guy (talk) 04:14, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
MUCh appreciate the look at Lillyhaven WV. Question, IF the GNIS says its a CDP, where would I confirm that the place in question IS a CDP or NOT? Many thanks for the infoCoal town guy (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I added all of the infoboxes. By the way, be careful about mobile home parks that are listed in the GNIS. Breezy Knoll is probably OK, but I've found a lot of places that the GNIS added from mhvillage.com which aren't notable. There isn't really a consensus on whether mobile home parks should be treated the same way as unincorporated communities, and they aren't always considered notable enough for articles, so you might not want to add any more articles on them for the time being. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation23:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks-I had noticed the GNIS have listed mobile home parks. Is it possible the Census Bureau may declared them unincorporated communities and the GNIS listing them as such? Thank you for your help-RFD (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There are a few places like that (Plantation Mobile Home Park, Florida is even a census-designated place), and those places would be notable. Generally the GNIS gives a citation for where it got the name of each place in its listing. If it got the name of a mobile home park from the Census Bureau or from its own research, or from a highway map, it's probably notable. If it got the name from a website like mhvillage.com, it probably isn't, though there are some exceptions. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation23:32, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Of note and my 2 cents as it were, in WV it is HIGHLY probable that a Mobile Park was a place at one point. Its not that I am picking on WV, its a custome of taking a place name and basically watching it devolve. Most of the places I saw as a kid, are now called town name hollow. They were not Hollows, they were real places.Coal town guy (talk) 22:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Alaska WV
Sorry about not putting that in the ghost town portion of the template. I should pay more attention. Of note, there atre ALOT of WV counties that do not have a Ghost Town portion on their template. I will strive to fix that. ThanksCoal town guy (talk) 22:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also the Conasauga, Tennessee talk page shows Conasauga, Polk County, Tennessee that is where the problem is-Thank you-RFD (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note-I did try to dab the US Highway 41 in Wisconsin involving Brookside in Oconto County with limited success-it is still not completely right. Thank you-RFD (talk) 20:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Veracity of Sugar Tit SC and New Erection VA
Hey- Just wanted to give you a heads up. There are 2 new towns I have added which could be construed as made up. They are not. The town names are Sugar Tit SC and New Erection VA. I have been to New Erection a few times....and well, they are real places. Coal town guy (talk) 15:00, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've written a few articles on colorfully named places too; since they're sourced, I doubt anyone will think they're fake. Since Sugar Tit, SC is currently named Pelham, though, shouldn't that be the title of the article? TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation23:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about that. The only way I knew of it, Sugar Tit, that is, was because of 2 reasons, Family, and yes, history. MOST of the people who recall the place recall it as Sugar Tit, not Pelham. Although, it is a current name, Sugar Tit appears to rouse the greater memoryCoal town guy (talk) 02:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As it turns out, Kentucky also has a Sugartit; I wonder if the one in SC was named for similar reasons. By the way, since I've noticed you've been writing about a lot of oddly named places lately, you might want to look at User:Axver/List, which has a whole lot more, many of which need articles. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation07:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
MANY thanks for the reference. Yes, I very much enjoy place names and towns that demonstrate a certain character. Kentucky and Texas appear to have an unoffical face off when it comes to strange or unusual place names. I wecome documenting them...I did not know about Sugartit KY..hmmmmmmCoal town guy (talk) 16:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Could we please in some manner please remind 204.37.10.9 that some folks here do not appreciate marking the town of Odd West Virginia as an ""Inbred Community". Its just a bit derisive and could cause ill will on the part of people who actually contributeCoal town guy (talk) 13:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I come across those comments in some of the Wisconsin community articles. I just hold my temper and delete the comments. I agree these remarks are inappropriate but we have to continue to delete these comments. Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with RFD. I just revert it, warn the user and move on, and usually they don't do it twice. This kind of vandalism occurs more often than I'd like, but that's the cost of having an encyclopedia anyone can edit. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation20:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's an official West Virginia barnstar right now. I've seen some improvised ones (like the state quarter one on my userpage), but there isn't an official one like Wisconsin and some of the other states have. It would be nice if there was one, though. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation22:16, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He Flys Utah
Someone challenged the veracity of He Flys Utah. I gave the GNIS data and a hoax tag was placed on the article. I removed the hoax tag. GNIS also provided the following Citation: Real Estate Atlas of Davis County, Utah. (See UT-T27) Entry Date: 25-Feb-1989 . Thats real enough for me.....What else can a person do??Coal town guy (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Coal town guy-Answering your question-some editors may not take the time of reading through an article; the editor involved may not believe such a place exists. In Wisconsin there are some communities with unusual names; Ubet, Wisconsin, Pole Cat Crossing, Wisconsin. Polecat is a sling term for skunk. Concerning the editor you did present the evidence and it appears the editor accepted the explanation-thank you-RFD (talk) 19:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He Flys does appear to be an actual place. Actually, though, I'm still not sure it's notable. He Flys seems to be a part of Clinton, Utah based on its coordinates, so it isn't unincorporated, and neighborhoods usually aren't notable unless they pass the general notability guideline, which as far as I can tell He Flys doesn't. Besides, I'm generally skeptical of the notability of places for which the GNIS lists a real estate guide as its source, as a lot of the time they're some new, non-notable housing development. I'd think about redirecting it to the article on Clinton right now. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation23:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
IF and I do mean IF, I were to find a historically notable incident or a POST office, the standard would seem to apply, IF I understand the notability requirement. However, it is also against the rules as it were to do any "original" research. While I will willingly and with gusto abide by any decision made, I would like to point out that many many places that are not well documented, are place names and do have signifigance. Of note, Orgas WV. It would have been called Orgasm, albeit with the graceful permission, of the Orange Gas Co, they did NOT choose Orange Gas Manufacturing. I would only ask, consideration before we redirect. MANY redirects I have encountered are wrong and I have shown, I believe in WV at least, caution needs to be shown. I am as always very grateful. Could we at least mention He Flys within the Clinton, Utah article????Coal town guy (talk) 23:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at some other GNIS listings, and it appears that the GNIS took a whole lot of places from that particular real estate guide (Davis County has 776 listings, which is extremely high for a suburban county which isn't especially large, and most of them appear to be from that guide). Many of them appear to be for individual condominiums or townhouses, which are certainly not notable and give me doubts about whether any place from that atlas can be considered notable without another reference). Therefore, I don't think any of them should be mentioned in the article on Clinton without another, more reliable reference. I do try to consider neighborhoods on an individual basis, and if there are other sources of some kind, I do think they should be kept or at least mentioned in the city's article; however, not only is He Flys not mentioned in a single other source (that I can find, anyway), it comes from a source with a very low standard as to what constitutes a neighborhood. As a comparison, Orgas was listed in the GNIS through their internal data compilation (which I would consider reliable), and can be verified on official maps and through USPS data. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation00:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks and I appreciate the ffort on your part. My father in law did the New River Gorge Survey waaaaay back in the day, hence, I tend to take for granted place names in GNIS. I should see a pattern there and very much appreciate your help in the matter. BUMMER, He Flys is a cool name. Coal town guy (talk) 00:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
