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Talk archives (Please do not edit archive pages! All posts should go on my current talk page.) Thank you for your Support of the AME ! gretly appreciated!Please have a look at the talk pages for the canadian AME and user "Hunt", I have added references for substantiating work and sources... Thank you! CanadianAME (talk) 21:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME re wording "AME vs Licensed AME"...With regard to the comment: "should the present content of this article be better homed at Aircraft Maintenance Engineer or Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer?" There can only be one source and that needs to be "AME" The reason being is that - with reference to the Parliament orders re the RE an the RFC, that they come from a common root "Engineers" The AME Without License is still an "AME" within the terminology of the "British System that the UK and Commonwealth derived their language. They were and are the "Mechanics Who Perform Elementary Work, servicing and Maintenance".. Whilst an AME may be certified by the State as "Competent to accomplish Maintenance", only a person who has undergone additional regulatory compliance and inspection / critique training as well as receiving a detailed course of education as to the precie nature of all interration and systems of an aircraft is a recognised as being a "Licensed AME" who can then accomplish the "requisite inspections for conformance to the regulations" and sign the Certificate of Maintenance Release as a "delegated representative of the State / Nation" under which the aircraft is registered.
The legal documents are "Technical Documentation" and as such are of a significantly higher level of speech and nature than that of the average person. Considering that most French speakers in Canada do not have a satisfactory understanding of every-day spoken English this is a noted point of contension. In particular the fact that the majority of the civil service in Canada are Quebecois, and most have not got a fluency in the every-day "Spoken English" they cannot be expected to effectivly understand or comprehend the English commonisms and colloquilisms that are used in parliamentary or high level cabinet documents - This is a signifigant fact to consider when noting that the information pertaining to the "Aircraft Maintenance Engineer" on the Canadian Government's "Official Translation" web site is inaccurate.. The English "translation" clearly identifies the Mechanic as well as the Licensed AME (although poorly defined) while the French side specifies only the memchanic / technician on the "Fench Side... [ame 1] Select the "mini magnifying glasses" to see the root source references for the "sources / definitions" on both french and english wording (Spanish as well) All of the french references are the result of an interpretation made by Madame Louise Claude, * Bureau de la traduction * Services linguistiques...... while the 2 English sources are: Glossary of aeronautical and astronautical terms, British Standards Institution London : British Standards Institution, 1969 & Air navigation orders, Canada. Civil Aviation Branch Ottawa : The Branch, 1968 .....
CanadianAME (talk) 22:40, 5 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME Correct terminolgy for use when speaking of the "Canadian AME"CanadianAME (talk) 22:59, 5 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME
Differences between the United States A&P with I.A, the Canadian AME and education in CanadaThe Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Inspection Authorization (IA) system allows qualified mechanics the privilege of performing certain inspections. The attainment of an IA and performance of the duties of that certificate greatly enhance the privileges and responsibilities of the aircraft mechanic.
and, Type 2 Licences: which were really about the Qualifications of persons performing “Condition and Conformity Inspections for accomplishing release to service” functions during and after the “Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul” of said aeronautical products.
The US-FAA A&P is a Type 1 Licence The US-FAA A&P with I.A is a Type 2 Licence England and the USA use a graduated training process that initially trains people as trades persons to a clearly defined standard. Trades persons in the USA and UK / EU must undertake Oral, written and practical examinations AFTER their apprenticeships have been completed in order to obtain certificates of competence to "Perform Work" as aircraft mechanics. Canada no longer has this requirement. Subsequent to obtaining a competency certificate as a "Trades Person" accomplishing aircraft maintenance in the UK or the US, these trades persons who wish to become inspectors / certifiers holding a license to sign a "Certificate of Maintenance Release" for an aircraft type (i.e wishing to obtain Aircraft Certifying Authority) must subsequently provide prrof of knowledge, experieince and training and take additional specialist training on the critique of materials and workmanship, regulatory standards, law and other classes and then pass stringent regulatory licencing exams to hold the added qualifications of the Type 2 Licence. Canada no longer requires the licensed AME examinations to be invigilated at a Government facility, only the regulatory examinations.. Canada - or more correctly, the "Canadian Politician and Public" has now wound up with a mis-understanding of the term “AME” which had the intent of combining the two UK licence terms but that now fails to adequately train and licence “AMEs” to either the Type 1 standard as a "trades person" or to the Type 2 standard as an" inspector and certifier" of the trades person's work…. I Canada, there is no defined "train the trainer" program within the TCCA set of standards for the requirement that certified technicians or for AME holders designated as apprentice supervisors / mentors must meet a defined standard as mentpors in order to provide the apprentice's supervisor/mentor with suitable training and instruction so that they can then provide suitable education and oversight to the apprentices under their direction. Mechanic and Inspection / certification Apprentices often learn more from trainers who are experienced and who have pursued further / higher levels of education to learn to become better at their jobs. This, in turn, translates to more successful and knowledgeable AMEs, allowing them to build up businesses on their reputations as skilled, helpful, and competent persons. As the profession of the AME is institutionalised and closely regulated by TCCA, there should be a requisite form of Mentor training for both the maintenance performing and inspecion / certifying AMEs as well. Teachers, for example, must complete College programs in education and pass certification exams to demonstrate that they are not only competent in their subjects, but they must also be skilled at teaching it. Why no similar standard for the AME? Train the trainer programs provide additional education and certification for people who may not be required to be certified to teach their trade, but who can benefit from acquiring those skills at such a course so they can mentor their apprentices. In today’s technological world and litigious climate, persons "who perform aircraft maintenance" and "persons who accomplish CRS functions as Licensed AMEs" in Canada must be provided with or otherwise have additional skills beyond that of turning a wrench or signing their name. They should be required to hold a journey person’s trade certificate (Competency) as a technician and then follow the UK and US style of evolution in order to obtain their AME Licence as a competent inspector / certifier. In today’s world, the Technician performing maintenance and the AME Certifying the maintenance require more than a rudimentary level of education and that includes education in Logic, Process Flow, using computer technology and programs such as: MS Excel MS Word MS Paint MS Access In addition, as delegated representatives of the Minister of Transport they should also be educated with professional concepts and an understanding of their role as Crown servants (yes Dave Dueck, I know you hate this idea, but the government actually defines it in the Treasurey instructions - Treasury define the job because they pay the wages out): Morals Ethics Criminal Code and Justice system Canada Labour Code Time Management and Organizational Skills Clear and concise Technical Writing & Managing Executive Correspondence
The individual selected has usually been someone who is technically competent as a work performer and also highly competent in the L-AMEs main function as an Inspector and Certifier and also someone who is familiar with all aspects of their organisation as a whole; someone who “knows the industry” and has “come up through the ranks”. In Europe these persons receive extensive training both to perform work as well as to certify it, and on how to manage their team members. However, within Canada there has been little if any emphasis on the general organisational or people management competencies for either the work performerming trades persons (AMEs) or the work Certifiers (L-AMEs). Regardless of the level of license and function, Canadian AMEs are usually seen as "Technicians Only" by Flight-Ops and other department / managerial staff within aviation entities.
This aspect of “Doing the job” has not been a required competency for “Work Performers” as the traditional airline / air operator management style has typically followed 4 principles: to control the way people perform work; to control exactly what they do, to control exactly how they do it, and to control every other aspect of their work. Control of “Work” has traditionally been the primary function of “the manager”. Many aviation “Managers” fail to understand that the Minister’s delegate, be they DAR, DE or AME, are required to comply with Laws that are outside of the “Manager’s” ability to control or influence. Traditional Management styles and managers often fail to recognise that “Doing the job” as a Minister’s Delegate requires the Delegate to follow and adhere to LAWs that: Specify the way the Delegate performs work; Specify exactly what the Delegate must do, Specify the exactly how the Delegate must do it, and control every other aspect of their work as a Delegate.
There is wide recognition within the aviation community that the only real and sustainable competitive advantage left to business is in human productivity and creating an organizational climate that supports and enhances it. Airlines and AMO’s need employees who take ownership of their work, who can problem solve, and who display initiative and creativity. Management’s primary responsibility today, therefore, must be to create and sustain this type of culture within the business. This management style is boldly democratic in that it mandates different organisational structures and processes. As a result of the international market we operate within in today’s world, our work performers, work certifiers and managers require more than just “technical competence”. This is equally true of the line technician as it is of the chief executive officer.
Licensed AME’s must also be skilled and capable managers and administrators, as such they must be capable of: Providing leadership to other staff, Designing and implementing change, Improving productivity, and Setting high standards of performance among the rest of the staff.
Yet subjects in these skills and competencies are rarely if ever taught in most of the AME schools. Most AMEs are currently not taught anything about business and business administration let alone how to manage people.. AME training should / must include at least the basic concepts / precepts in the practical areas of: accounting, marketing, management information systems, business law, economics, organizational effectiveness, human resources management productive management practices, and the literature regarding these practices. While these subjects may be electives available at an AME college, they are not part of the required core curriculum for a mechanic performing maintenance or for an AME who inspects and certifies - this is a flaw of the industry that views the AME / ACA as a behind the scenes “Worker” only.
most of the best courses available that teach up to date management competencies are available through extension programs in community colleges - by real world educators in continuing education programs, not PhD's at University levels who frequently have no understanding of the world outside the confines of their black-board. Most of these courses, however, were never offered and are still not offered as part of the Canadian AME (Trades Person) and L-AME (Insp. and Certify) training programs... CanadianAME (talk) 23:38, 5 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME CanadianAME (talk) 15:36, 6 February 2016 (UTC)Avmech Any ability to obtain an editors credentials?Hi Steelpillow, has anyone ever asked for credentials from persons posting data into the AME pages? I am curious to know just what licenses in aviation are held by some contributors...I personally hold 4 Canadian AME licenses, held a UK-CAA "A and C" - "AME with Type Rating" licenses issued under BCAR (no longer used) as well as other foreign licenses and FAA A&P approval. I have spent the better part of half (of my nearly 30 year career) working outside of Canada and for foreign governments (France, Ukraine / Russian aircraft registry) - including extensive work in the UK Overseas territories (under UK-AN(OT)-O, as ammended) and have either repaired, built / rebuilt or otherwise maintained aircraft dating from 1915 (Sopwith) all the way to current build Boeing and Airbus wide-body jetliners...including Russian Antonov types... What does AHunt hold by way of AME licenses? Re their comment about "Reads Like a Book" - it does "read like a book" because in many cases it is the exact details / words from the source document which are the "quotes I was trying to add" from those original source documents.. and as I indicated I needed time to get the actual reference links into the page... and depending on if they speak American English or the Queen's English there would be spelling errors...
Greatly appreciated! CanadianAME (talk) 00:21, 6 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME ReplyHi there. I am on a bit of a Wikibreak at the moment so I will not be able to look into these articles properly for some time. But here are my immediate thoughts following a brief look at recent activity: Ahunt (talk · contribs) is a reasonable and conscientious soul. If he reverts an edit rather than cleaning it up, he will have a good reason. Whether another user is a subject-matter expert, such as an experienced AME, is not relevant. Wikipedia draws its content from published reliable sources (see WP:RS) and no individual editor, however illustrious, is a reliable source in their own right. (The exception is if the editor's writings have been independently peer-reviewed and published in a reliable journal, in which case the published text is cited in the usual way). Reasons for reversion may include (among others):
A small amount of these things can usually be corrected or trimmed by an experienced editor, so an edit should only be reverted if such flaws overwhelm the content. You have done the right thing in posting material on the talk pages so that colleagues such as myself and Ahunt can review it and bring it up to standard. I will try to find time when I can. but please do not hold your breath. Oh, and one other thing. You have signed yourself here as CanadianAME (talk · contribs). An anonymous (IP) editor made some changes to the Canadian AME article on 6 December, adding material similar to yours. Another account, Avmech (talk · contribs), posted to some users' talk pages supporting those changes. A suspicious reviewer might wonder if some of these were the same person using different identities. Wikipedia is very picky about not pretending to be somebody else (See WP:SOCKPUPPET), so it is best if you can clear this up now. Can you confirm whether or not you made any of these other edits or posts? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:59, 6 February 2016 (UTC) re AME - going back well before the Royal Navy got involved. One can hardly expect a "worldwide view" on something that originated in Britain and only ever expanded to the Commonwealth countriesHello Steel Pillow. The full discipline of the Aircraft Mechanic and the AME were defined fully by the British - the US copied the regulations... and not until the US Dept of Commerce got involved in abt 1927 did "Type Certificated begin to be issued and design standards adhered to - or even be recognised - in the USA. the United states entered WW1 in 1917 and did not operate any ot their own aircraft.. they flew aircraft designed by other nations while their own nation scrambled to come up with similar machines. The united states government carted off volumes of data and manuals that were readily available and freely obtainable without license at the time and in particular they (US Forces) were given this information in an effort to get them into the air war faster! and after the War they just held on to it and used it for themselves... England needed help and the US was a ready source of mass manufacturing and only needed the drawings and back ground data to get the ball rolling, the same thing happened in WW2 and is why the US got the A-Bomb and Radar and the Jet engine.. the Brits were desperate for help and so they gave up their secrets in return for men and material to help fight the wars.... I personally posess a 1920 copy of the Kings regulations for the Air Force and Air Council instructions issued by the UK that came from the US Navy library!! I have also identified historical references from the Langly Flight Research (Formerly Langly Field - US Army Air Corps) historical archive dated 1920-21 that specifically looks at the Air-Worthiness Requirements for British Aircraft (Service and Civilian) as specified in the 1919 ANR issued by 1st Lord of the Admiralty (Hmmm Admiralty Orders.... LAW... UK Legal Precedent ...hmmm) Secretary of State for War and Air and Member of Parliament Sir Winston Spencer Churchill... The specifications that the Royal Engineers developed for aircraft at Farnborough were summarised in assorted handbooks ( the mechanics handbook of AN / MS hardware as en exanple) Subsequently, they evolved into what is now AN/ MS /NAS standards and the structural strengh and materials sections became the MIL-HBK for structural specification and design MPD-5 the Original AN standards were BRITISH and refered to the fact that the RE had data on and were creating common standards for the British Army aircraft (the RE Baloon and Air Battalions - and this is why the Canadian AME has Baloons on their license>>> the RE were involved in Baloon work PRIOR to box kites and "Powered Kites" .. .ever heard the term "Pranged their Kite"???) and the British Navy (RNAS) Aircraft This reference document is now held at the NASA archive [ame 4] A good review of the fact that NACA and the US government had shared information from the UK and were well aware of the research is to be found here [ame 5] Also, the "un-named" editor you sometimes see adding things is quite oftenme.. adding data from a computer other than my home computer ... which holds all my research notes, but which has been broken for some months now-- hence why I was not able to "add references" CanadianAME (talk) 14:27, 6 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME A suspicious reviewer might wonder...
With regard to me "Canadian AME" and "Avmech".. we are not the same person.. the IP addresses can be used to co-relate this in fact. I suspect that this person is another AME who, like myself has grave concern over what is being fed to the general public thru wikipedia. However, more to the point, ALL the wikipedia pages pertaining to AMEs are being watched by actual AMEs world-wide and there is a growing animosity to the details and data that we, as "Persons with license" KNOW because we have been there in person and have direct point of view details and data - in fact a part of our license requirements are to record "Evidence" in case of a legal case - we are the recorders of history - legal history being spoken of re "Aircraft Maintenance and Inspection / Certification" in the AME discussions. By Kings order, and under the notes re Judicial review and the Gazetting of the acts / orders etc, this is not information that WE need to tell you, it is information that WE know and SO should YOU, or at least you should be looking it up and doing your homework as editors when we state the regulation and the refernece - NO source needed !!! The wikipedia page links are also being posted on facebook and via the AME chat boards outside wikipedia.. and people are taking notice that some persons who may not actually be AMEs are removing details and data - in fact I would not be surprised that unless the pages be controlled and the editors state their references that the main wikipedia editors may be petitioned to lock the pages down and to mandate the requirement that our "Viewpoint" actuallly be recorded - especially significant in the light that people read wikipedia and what they take away is their perception of what we do. And that oerception is in many cases a dumbing down of our trade and profession ... that point needs to be kept in mind.. the AME faces LEGAL challenges at work and for as long as they live once they sign any document in any aircraft or component record.. and that document becoms a part of the legal history of that aircraft and component.. So, what is portrayed to the general public must relfect the entire picture and be a proper encyclopedia entry.. Details, Data, history, evolution, key players, accident - everything and that includes the struggles faced by us in the world-scale to keep our credentials and licenses. Calling us "Mechanics" and specifying that we are equal to the A&P is what has, in part, resulted in the AME recognition issues in Canada by way of confusing persons with less "Common Knowledge" as to our origin and unique regulatory function. By not having as much detail and data in wikipedia as possible, the persons in Wikipedia who delete the data or dis-allow our viewpoint are causing the trade and the profession of the AME great harm.. I strongly caution all woi think otherwise to remember : You as Wikipedia editors owe the AME a "Duty of Care" with regard to how we are portrayed in the public eye.. what is written here is what becomes the public opinion.. but often it is not the correct viewpoint to take because the general public frequently have no concept of the laws and requirements we work to or how our trade and orofession came about..and in court, when called to account for aourselves, that viewpoint can and will be used to our detriment by the un-educated who read wikipedia and at the moment, do NOT get the true picture of the AME - in ANY nation... Have you ever stopped to wonder why the history books frequently romanticise flying anf the pilots, but no one ever has delved deeply enuf intot he history of the men and women that put them there..?? And, in fact the original "Pilots" of the RFC - predating the RAF - were the officers of the Royal Engineers! [ame 6]
For the Canadian AME, this is extremely important!!! It is why the term "Engineer" cannnot be taken away from us - no matter how hard the P.Eng associations in Canada try - because the terminology in the Air Nav Regulation 1919 and other related documents "Published under Authority" (or simply Under Authority) means that the document was "Judicially Reviewed" and, once published in the London Gazette - which is the "Official Public record" by the way and to the law makers and military the term is "Gazetted" an example of an order to publish an Order: [ame 10] Once Gazetted, the order was considered LAW and COMMON knowledge.. When the P.Eng association of Quebec filed suit against Transport Canada in the mid 1980's it allowed the court to recognize and accept the existence of the fact we had a "precedent for being called "Engineers" as it was supposed to be "commonly known by persons of average intelligence without establishing its existence by admitting evidence in a civil or criminal court" ... the P.Eng association chose to ignore the "Public Record of the pertinent Lagislation". [ame 11] According to the British Manual of Military law [ame 12] - section on Historic knowledge, "The Army Act is part of the Statute Law of England, and, with the considerable difference that it is administered by military courts and not by civil judges, is construed in the same manner and carried into effect under the same conditions as to evidence and otherwise, as the ordinary criminal law of England".
CanadianAME (talk) 15:34, 6 February 2016 (UTC) Avmech CanadianAME (talk) 15:34, 6 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME AME - help and calling in others for supportThank you! As always your help is greatly appreciated and the end result of all the effort everyone give to this should be a well rounded and well written entry! CanadianAME (talk) 15:50, 6 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME Reply to recent commentsThank you. One difficulty we have here as Wikipedians is that the crucial link - tying the capitalised AME title to the evolution of British aircraft maintenance - is missing in your accounts. At what point did the title "Aircraft Maintenance Engineer" become recognised, as opposed say to an RE qualified to maintain aeroplanes? (When and why did some John Smith stop writing "John Smith, RE" and start writing "John Smith, AME"?) Without firmly establishing that connection, none of the early British material is directly relevant to the topic of AMEs, though I hope to use some of it in Draft:Aircraft maintenance personnel in Britain if I can find time. Your explanation of AME and Licensed AME is useful, but again, where is a source which verifies this distinction in the applicability of the specific titles? It is not enough to verify the duties of the two roles, we also need to connect those roles to their specific titles. Where too is a source which discusses the Canadian muddle sufficiently to verify your claims? Wikipedia is rather strict about this. One can say that organization X said this and organization Y said that, but unless a source commenting on the contradiction can be found, it is original research to claim that they contradict each other and WP:OR forbids us to make such unsupported claims. This can be very frustrating, but it is how Wikipedia works. It all comes back to verifying claims by citing reliable sources. Books, specialist magazines and major news journals (whether in print or online) are the best sources if they can be found. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:24, 11 February 2016 (UTC) References
When and how was the capitalised title of Aircraft Maintenance Engineer created? (You have cited its use in the EU since 2007 but that is all you have cited)Sie, I have given reference to the origin - in the 1919 ANR published London Gazette 29 April 1919. that is the source document for "Civilian" aviation aircraft maintenance regulation .. and "Engineer was capitalised. Further, I continue to try to educate you and others as to the root and principle of the English origin.. which evolved with the development of Steam Engines.. Engineer in the english language has it's root in the word "Engine"... however people contiinually delete the references I add because they feel that they are not relevant.. Please stand back, stop focusing on the specific wording and look ad the wider world and the nature of the issue.. and where I am going with this. to do otherwise begs the question: Are many people who edit wikipedia so closed minded that they cannot comprehend the underlying events that took place in history and so now choose to ignore them?
If you would like, I can provide e-mail addresses for myself and others who would kindly take the discussion out of wikipedia so that a closer look and discussion can be held - without redaction of details that are crucial to the comprehension of the issues. CanadianAME (talk) 19:47, 11 February 2016 (UTC) Canadian AME
Styling of tablesI have used the data-sort-value="Yes" style="background: #DFD; color:black; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-yes2 skin-invert" | The styling allows easy sorting by relevance for the rapid search of the current-production models. Why do you have problems with it? --Trurle (talk) 12:07, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Ok, i will left re-formatting for you. As i remember, there was few prototype-only aircraft in the list, all marked with production start year equal to the production end year. Best way may be to classify production status as 2 columns. 1st coulumn would be "currently produced" (with possible values "yes" or "no") - just use my style tags for it. 2nd column would be "production number" (numerical values) - it will precisely indicate difference between plans (0), prototypes (small numbers) and serial production (large numbers). Just left it empty for now, i will fill data later.--Trurle (talk) 13:11, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
AviostartG'day from Oz; I share your bemusement at the relisting of the debate, I reckon the justifications for keeping articles put forward sometimes are breathtaking in their interpretation of WP policies etc. Sometimes they make no sense at all; I recently A7 speedied a one-paragraph article about an airline operating PA-31s for three years in the early '80s within Texas. The speedy was declined on the basis that it costs a lot of money to run an airline. Presumably there is therefore an assertion of importance of the subject. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 21:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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I was wondering why do you delete all the image file in this article. Thank you. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 12:57, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
What rings can you have polytopes over?The real, complex, and quaternionic polytopes are pretty well-known (even if the complex and quaternionic ones need some care in sanity-checking one's language and are more like configurations). What else can you generalise polytopes to? Can you have polytopes over finite fields? Or perhaps over Qn? (I imagine not On.) Double sharp (talk) 12:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Thomson Airways editsThomson Airways still fly to Dublin Airport. I'm just wondering why you keep changing it on the article to say that they don't anymore? st170etalk 21:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Airlander 10Hi Steelpillow, please can you remove the additional 'Airlander 10' from the Hybrid Air Vehicles HAV-3 page as they are different aircraft and I just created a new page to remove doubt. (There are lots of citations for your to confirm against). Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philbobagshot (talk • contribs) 13:57, 27 April 2016 (UTC) Hi again - just for clarification, this is the company page Hybrid Air Vehicles and the other two (Hybrid Air Vehicles HAV-3 and Hybrid Air Vehicles Airlander 10)refer to two separate aircraft within the aircraft naming convention parameters - much like Boeing comes before their aircraft names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philbobagshot (talk • contribs) 14:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi again, thanks for the Wikipedia tips, I have taken them on board. I sense your frustration and you can sense mine too. It is incredibly annoying to have someone redirect a page you spend hours creating with a plethora or sources only to find that it has been redirected without explanation (much like your annoyance at me - why didn't you message me before you made such a big change?). You have gathered I am a long-term Wikipedia user but new to creating pages. Is there an area we can discuss both our arguments for the existence of the pages with other moderators? It seems we are both agreeing to disagree at the moment and I'd like some further input. Philbobagshot (talk) 16:07, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for May 14Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited John William Dunne, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page James Hilton. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:32, 14 May 2016 (UTC) Seth AbramsonGonna need some explanation on this. You removed citations about the subject's writing that describe it as highly unusual (i.e. worth talking about) by New York Magazine, The Washington Post, The New York Post, Rush Limbaugh, Jonathan Chait, David Wiegel, and others of note on a page that criticises some bad "remix" poem because it was mentioned on a couple blogs? And a page that discusses a single fanboy article on Star Wars because it was mentioned by Film School Rejects? What is your standard for inclusion here? Blog chatter about a bad poem very very important, major media discussion of unusual national political commentary not important? You need to explain your edits.14:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SanFran55 (talk • contribs)
Help with Millennium Space SystemsThank you for your assistance with my article, if you have any more edits/suggestions, feel free to help make the article more proactive! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaw22 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 2 August 2016 (UTC) Aircraft Maintenance EngineersIf you send me your email or a one-shot email that is not personal, I would be more than happy to share VOLUMES of data on the subject that I am unable to load on wikipedia - belive me I have tried, but people keep deleting it.. I posess ORIGINAL hard copy documentation from the UK War Office, RAF, Air Ministry, ARB, CAA, members / fellows of the RaES, and NACA/ NASA from 1919 to 1968 pertinent to the subject.. which I have labouriously scanned and compiled into PDF format and can burn to disc and mail to you for review. I provide data on Aircraft Ground Engineers / Aircraft Miantenance Engineers / AIR Engineers to the CAHS museum in Australia which has documented the AME's and their work and I am currently sourcing / researching data in support of a paper being written on the subject by a former Airworthiness Superintendent with Transport Canada - Headquarters Branch, with whom I have corresponded for many years. I also provide historical references to a Canadian lecturer on the Canadian Air Regulations and the roles / responsibilites of AMEs within the Canadian Aviation legislation framework. This gentleman has been a witness in some 5000 aviation tribunals in support of AMEs being investigated / charged - and has yet to lose a case. CanadianAME (talk) 08:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. CanadianAME (talk) 20:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC) Notification of nomination for deletion of A.I.R EngineerThis is to inform you that this article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A.I.R Engineer. - Ahunt (talk) 20:35, 6 August 2016 (UTC) how to move an article ???Steelpillow, you are correct, I have no idea on how to do this.. one person cannot possibly know everything - about everything. I am an expert on the AME... not wikipedia :( Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! CanadianAME (talk) 16:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you, it is much appreciated. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 11:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC) "Good and bad cholesterol"I see you reverted my edits to the article on Trans_fat. The reason I removed what I did is that it is not correct to refer to HDL and LDL as "good and bad cholesterol" as they are proteins and not forms of cholesterol (which is a steroid). I realise this is a common misconception, but that doesn't make it correct. WP should be aiming higher than this. PointOfPresence (talk) 14:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, you appear as the primary (sole) author of Torsion coefficient (topology). As noted on the talk page there, you seem to be working from a book written in 1934 by Siefert, which, according to google, is the only book (or article!) on planet Earth that defines what a "torsion coefficient" is. I guess that's OK -- its some archaic, obscure term, but its interesting from a historical perspective. It would be great if that article emphasized the history more. ... Anyway, the primary issue is that the article, as written, never actually defines or explains what a "torsion coefficient" is! This could be fixed, if I had access to the original primary reference -- but I don't. The book does show up on google books, but the pages that lead up to the definition are blanked, and I can't make out the intent. So I was wondering -- could you go to a scanner, and scan the missing pages -- specifically, 64, 65 and 71 72 and maybe 41 42 and maybe the earlier pages and some later pages -- and post them on the article talk page?. The problem with that book is that it uses archaic notation and archaic terminology, that does not match up with the notation and terminology used in modern books, and makes it somewhat hard to read and infer what the authors intent was. (Written in 1934, that book predates category theory, which was not invented until the 1950's, and which completely revolutionized the study of homology -- which is one of the issues that is messing things up, here.) 67.198.37.16 (talk) 20:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Saarah Hameed AhmedHi Steelpillow. No biggy at all, just curious, re the AfD for Saarah Hameed Ahmed. I see you have repinged a few people. Three I had already pinged (did you see), and two, SusunW, Kate A. Steel, I must have missed somehow ? Where were they ? Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 13:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello Steelpillow, I was working in the german Wikipedia at "Quick Reaction Alert". So I had a look at it on the English Wikipedia. It looks like to me that here the "Quick Reaction Alert" is focused too much on the British view. Also it should be noted that "Quick Reaction Alert" is not only used in NATO Air Forces.. Also the Swiss Air Force and Austrian AirForce (both not par of the NATO) use "Quick Reaction Alert" in the same way. As I got a lot of criticism for my English writing here, I don't change anything on Quick Reaction Alert, but drop this message here. Also the Swiss Air Force doesn't use the QRA only for Alpha scramble (Hot-Missions) but also for just Live-Missions , just checking out a State Aircraft.FFA P-16 (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
This is what I found with usthe key words QRA Luftwaffe in googel. FFA P-16 (talk) 16:53, 3 September 2016 (UTC) I don't know if it is siutable to put a picture there... The Swiss Air Force QRA F/A-18 carry for QRA Missions (or QRA Trainingmissions) always an external Fueltank who has written with red "STBY 121.5".. the international Emer Freq.  FFA P-16 (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Helping change "List of military aircraft of the United States" to bullet formatI saw your post on the talk page and I agree that the table format is a big contributor to clutter. That's why I decided to help you. In fact, I've already edited a few things and I may even finish changing it to the bullet format before you do. Feel free to change anything that you think needs fixing. Thanks! Mrsupersonic8 (talk) 02:58, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Fix Betti Number Image DescriptionPlease fix the description or image on the blue wireframe torus image of the Betti Number article so that a normal person can understand the difference between what is being referred to by "void" "donut" and "center". https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Betti_number&oldid=prev&diff=742053728
PolytopeI don't understand why you reverted my recent edit of Polytope. The version that you reinstated is grammatically incorrect: "unbounded" is an adjective, not a noun, and there is no noun factored in as far as I can tell. Could you please explain your rationale? Thanks. J.P. Martin-Flatin (talk) 09:47, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
ENS Anwar El Sadat move pageHello Steelpillow, could you move Egyptian ship Anwar El Sadat to ENS Anwar El Sadat like ENS Gamal Abdel Nasser per talk ?, I can't change it because it's move protected. - AHMED XIV (talk) 17:52, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Reapeted vandalism by IP editorHello again Steelpillow, This user talk is continuously making disruptive editing on both S-400 missile system and S-300 (missile system) pages. Algeria is known to operate the S-300PMU2 version, he is adding it as an operator for the S-400 and S-300VM without providing any reliable sources, the sources provided are misleading and have no relation to the content added. He defends his edits by saying " Respect the Algerian site " which I don't understand what it means. I would like you to see into this. By the way, I have sent him a level 3 warning for " Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material ", however he deleted it from his page and continues to vandalize the pages. - AHMED XIV (talk) 23:42, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Please excuse me...I recently posted a comment about "neither of you" even though IMO the comment was mostly aimed at someone other than you and you obviously already know our rules about sourcing. I was trying to soften an already quite pointed statement -- sort of like shouting "we all need to..." when only one person is actually causing a problem. I hope that you were not offended. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:42, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
My rv at Electromagnetic HypersensitivityI reverted your removal of a talk page section as sock puppetry because, based on [some secret message or other] I have reason to believe that it is a good faith attempt to gain input on proposed changes. If you feel, based on your experience at the article, that this is a returning blocked user or a sock of another active user I have no objection to you opening a SPI though. JbhTalk 17:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
This should be interesting...Regarding our friend the doctor, it will be interesting to see if the WP:CIR issues that have prevented him from formatting his comments, understanding various policies, etc., will also prevent him from taking the steps required to prove his identity to Wikipedia. I think we should both quietly watch as this plays out rather than commenting further. --Guy Macon (talk) 10:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Lift and transit-time theory.Hi, you deleted my example from the Lift (force) page with the comment counts as original research, sorry. - Please explain what you mean -Eio (talk) 16:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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Season's greetings Happy New Year! Hello Steelpillow: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, Burninthruthesky (talk) 10:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Merry, merry!From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC) Any further thoughts on our conversation at Talk:Electric aircraft#Article fork needed? - Ahunt (talk) 01:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC) Wikiwings
List of electric aircraft: the Pipistrel G4 is NOT the heaviest... as claimed in its "note". Its max gross of 1497 kg is eclipsed by the Solar Impulse 2's 2300 kg, even if it is not clear whether that indicates empty weight or max gross or whatever. The article is obviously still in the works so I won't go meddling with it right now, still I thought you would find the information useful. BTW my congrats on the concept of this article! Keep up the good work! Jan olieslagers (talk) 16:36, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Locos and capsThanks - I was worried you'd hate it! Cheers DBaK (talk) 11:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC) A barnstar for you!
The Downs MalvernApologies. Not quite sure how I managed to do that but it was unintentional. I'll fix it for you. CalzGuy (talk) 12:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Sweden EHS at Electromagnetic hypersensitivity - reopened discussionI would appreciate your comments at Talk:Electromagnetic hypersensitivity#Reopening Sweden EHS matter --papageno (talk) 04:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC) your commentI suggest that you strike "sneaky lying fakery" here. Jytdog (talk) 11:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with the photo per se. It would be just fine if there was a portrait of Dunne to compare and to avoid misidentification. In the pioneer aviation era shop assistants etc. often sat at the controls for portraits. The Science Museum could also be mislead or wrong if they assumed it was Dunne at the controls and did not back it up with a confirmed portrait of the man. Koplimek (talk) 20:29, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Steelpillow, thanks for letting me know the research you did in IDing a photo of Mr. Dunne. An interesting character in his writings on time travel. He sometimes reminds me of Marcel Proust. Were you in direct contact with his granddaughter? All My Best. Koplimek (talk) 22:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Update: The playwright and author J.B. Priestley was a fan of Dunne and they knew each other. He devotes a whole chapter in his book Man and Time to Dunne. He includes there a copy of this image and the caption identifies the occupant as JW Dunne. Together with the Museum's caption, that establishes a pretty solid case which would require extraordinary evidence to overturn. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Wataniya AirwaysYou removed airlines historic destinations, why? all were referenced and in new table format, now it's just current routes in old text list style, I requested to stop vandalising historic referenced content, not remove it.139.190.254.44 (talk) 02:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Fighter effectiveness RFCYou are right, I'm allowing the other guy to get to me. I started the RFC in an attempt to take the heat out of the discussion and to allow others to have a say. I have hardly posted in the RFC, but the other editor just seems to be taking it all way too personally. I particularly object to having words put in my mouth that I did not say, never mind the snide allusions to what I might or might not do or think. I cannot promise that I will not take him to AN/I if he has another go at me like his last couple of posts, but I will try to bite my tongue. - Nick Thorne talk 14:11, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Tethered balloonHi Steelpillow, I dont understand why you undid my revision 793707357 on the Tethered balloon article. Thx to let me know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fallon64 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
mediawiki2latexHi, mediawiki2latex can handle collections now. See here http://mediawiki2latex.wmflabs.org/ and try for example with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:River_martin Yours --Dirk Hünniger (talk) 10:03, 29 August 2017 (UTC) no update of book creator so farYou announced in the template bookcreatorstatus that an update was scheduled to be rolled out on first of October. Up to now I can not see that this has happened yet. Yours Dirk Hünniger (talk) 11:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Flying wingHello, I would just like to know why you canceled my ad when it was actually sourced, without discussion? thanks --Otto Didakt (talk) 15:16, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Clancy's AerodynamicsHi Steelpillow. If my memory serves me correctly, you sometimes cite Aerodynamics by L.J. Clancy in your work on Wikipedia. If you have a copy of Clancy you might feel like responding to the following request: diff. Regards, Dolphin (t) 12:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Why was content removed (multiple time dimensions)?Dear Steelpillow Could you briefly elaborate why you removed my editing in the Wikipedia article about "Multiple time dimensions"? Thx Darkch2 (talk) 22:54, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Way to contact meDear steelpillow thank you for your work and for your message. But please, if you have just something send me informations only with the wikipedia e-mail [7] or may on some of the articles talk page (if you see in the history that "some" person was not also editing on this page). I think after the last message you left on my talk page and what happend after.. my talkplage.. you knew i am wikihoundet by some since many years. Thank you.FFA P-16 (talk) 10:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Pediapress PDFI saw that you can upload books to pediapress but I did not see the you can get any pdf from pediapress. You can order the printed book cut it an pieces and put it through your own scanner, but this is a rather strange method of obtaining a pdf. Maybe I missed something, is it actually possible to get a pdf from pediapress. Yours Dirk Hünniger (talk) 17:11, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Season's Greetings ...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:38, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Flying wing<snip insulting post> -Eio (talk) 23:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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