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Hi, I have responded to your comments at this FLC and hope that you can return to check if I have met your concerns adequately and if possible provide your support or opposition to this article being promoted. Regards, Harrias (talk) 08:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes I saw that, it's one of many such articles, I've been inclined to recommend a delete, but I just haven't had the time to complete my searches for this. Given his lifetime, searches have to be a bit more focused than gsearch. I expect to comment on it in the next couple of days. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff17:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Good pics, now I remember correctly! I wouldn't worry about it not falling in the doughnut category, especially given ChildofMidnight's ability to classify anything with sugar or salt in that category. Thanks! cheers. -SpacemanSpiff15:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
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I have no idea at all about alt text, so for the moment I've just gone with what you've said. Think that is most of the issues resolved now.. spot anymore? ;) Harrias (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
This one is probably just me being annoying, but in a list about the South African team, I'd like to see the South African team wikilinked before the three other teams and the tour. I would suggest a rephrase of "In 1959, arrangements were made for the first international women's cricket tour of South Africa, as they would play host to an English team in 1960." to maybe something like "In 1959, arrangements were made for the South African team to play host for the first time to an English team in 1960." This needs some sort of better phrasing that I guess you can take care of. While the team is still linked after the Aus and NZ teams, it at least goes ahead of the tour link (which is my main concern). If that's done, I can't see anything else that should be fixed (in fact, I don't think others would hold this as something to be fixed!). Hope this helps, really good work by the way, the third women's FL! cheers. -SpacemanSpiff18:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
I haven't done exactly what you suggested, but I have now reworded it so that South Africa is listed first, even before Aus and NZ, using the sentence; "At their annual general meeting in January 1955, the SA&RWCA accepted an invitation from the Women's Cricket Association to join an International Women's Cricket Council that, in addition to South Africa, would include England, Australia and New Zealand." Hopefully now I can gather some support! Speaking of which, if I don't pop my head in at your RFA before time, remind me, I'm likely to get sidetracked and forget; my mind jumps around a lot! Harrias (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey Spaceman, I have created the Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/SpacemanSpiff page to get the ball rolling (before you have any chance to change your mind!). I think my current nomination statement should suffice, but since other reviewers are likely to disagree, I'll expand on it within the next 24 hours. :-)
In the meantime, feel free to post your responses to the standard questions. Am excited at welcoming you to the cabal janitorial closet. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the write-ups, you both appear to have discovered things I wasn't aware of! I'll complete the questions tomorrow. The photo was taken with a Nikon D80, 28-200; don't remember the other specs for the shot, but this is a stripped down version, not giving the copyright up for the original one! Taken from just atop the steps at the end of the climb, a few minutes after sunrise, one of the most breathtaking views. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff04:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Spaceman, Don't forget to accept the RFA nomination. You can transclude the RFA whenever you are ready, or if you want me/RP to dot the deed, just let us know. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 12:41, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
... and you may want to link the "two occasions", if possible. Reviewers are sure to ask, or imagine the worst! :-) Abecedare (talk) 12:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
I took a brief look at the article when I saw Sikh-History's posting on your page. There's a lot of synthesis/OR and Idon'tlikeit going on and the article needs some moderated talk page discussions. I can get involved in it maybe after the weekend as I'm already behind on the Flag of India FARC, and hopefully I'll have most of the content writing done by then. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff00:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I would think so, but it depends on what you're using it for, then you'll have to check if the article is research based or opinion and source accordingly. If there's something specific that you're looking at, you can check at WP:RSN. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff05:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Admin request
Hi,
As you can see I was delighted to support your request for admin. However, one question I have is whether you been editing in wikipedia under different username bfore? Regards--Gilisa (talk) 09:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I did edit wikipedia two or three years ago -- my only edit was to create a page for a non-profit organization which was deleted almost immediately as advertising, but I didn't get any idea why, except when I clicked the page and something like an error notice showed up. I don't remember if I had a username then (if I did, it would've been something similar). I wasn't too happy and didn't come back to edit until May this year. In the meantime, I might have fixed the odd typo or so as an IP. I initially edited as User:Spaceman7Spiff, subsequently J.delanoy told me that I could usurp my current user name, and I got rid of the 7. I maintain my old user name as a doppelgänger account.
I think others might be interested in this question too, so you might want to post this on the RfA, let me know if this answers your question. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff13:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your sincere, with you permission I'll post my question along with your answer on the RfA. Have a great time as an admin and cheers.--Gilisa (talk) 15:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey Spaceman,
I include the linguistic names of the indian army in a remote section.
Its not like the top of the page.
Why dont you allow it ?
The convention is to use English and the country's official languages. In India's case, they happen to be Hindi and English (already included). Also, there is no reason to include one or a few of the many constitutionally recognized or for that matter any other spoken languages. That would be not be neutral. Including all the constitutionally recognized or spoken languages is undue. Hope this helps. Feel free to browse through the links on the welcome message I left on your talk page, they will give you an idea of how to go about editing. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff02:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Alicia Silverstone
I first noticed you when you had the Alicia Silverstone photo with her not properly dressed for cold weather. Since then, you have been highly recommended by Abecedare, someone that I consider a wise administrator. Good luck on your RFA. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 23:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Looks good so far. I see that Gnews has 81 sources when I search for Don 2 with Akhtar, and not all Indian RS sources are on Gnews, some only on Gweb. I see you're currently editing the article, I've got some other stuff to look at right now, so I'll try to add something tomorrow. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff05:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I was using similar search parameters myself (great minds) as I found the press is using the shortened version of the name. I added a bit more since... but you're my expert (chuckle). Schmidt,MICHAEL Q.05:51, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey Michael, sorry about not being able to work on the article, since Friday, I've had to take care of an injured dog who has managed to convince me that there's nothing more important than that, so my on wiki time has been very limited. I added a bit, but I see that you've ensured that this is good enough to pass WP:MQS. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff17:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. Yes, I do have a lot on my hands, with the two FARs and plenty going on in RL as well, but let me attempt one shot. Give me 48 hours - if I'm unable to get on it by then I'll drop a line here, and you can go ahead and fail it. I was hoping for some support on the page from other contributors, but unfortunately none seem to be interested yet. BTW, nice to see a panorama of Machu Pichu replacing the lady you had on here earlier ;-) Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 17:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
It's a subject that requires some deeper knowledge than just access to sources, unlike the city articles etc, that's probably why we haven't been able to find anyone to work on it. I'll wait for your response, and then on Wednesday I can either fail or put on hold. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff17:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm giving up for now - simply can't seem to find the time :-( Will try and work on it later, and maybe renominate. Go ahead. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 15:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
That's best, it's a fairly good candidate for renomination once the issues identified in previous reviews are fixed. I'll go ahead and delist it from the log later today. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff16:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Random remarks
Hey Spiffy, the RfA is going well! That's good to hear. Listen, in the meantime, could you keep an eye on Navsari? I performed some cleanup, but there's at least one IP who's not fully aware of the rules. I've also removed some really promotional info and have the feeling that some of that might be restored. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Will keep an eye. However, on all these city/town/village articles, it's generally easy to do the change, then let the "owner" revert you, and after 2-3 days go back and revert. I know it's a horrible way to do things, but this helps retain your sanity, the owners tend to be more active for 2-3 days, and then happy with what they've achieved, stop logging in. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff17:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
can you moderate or what needs to be improved in my page for the disputed election and peaceful protest movements if you have time ,if they will be added
Thanks, I've been quite a bit slow on the article, mostly due to an inability to find the right sources for some of the content issues. cheers -SpacemanSpiff23:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
The title of the page should be called 'Pre-1947 Indian history'-becasue this is what meant by article itself ,it not indian history ,indian history is Post- 1947.( by giving the title indian history is misleading) .(Eventhough with the summary on bottom of title page )Mughalnz (talk) 04:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The region has always been called India. If you take the early works of Megasthenes and Arrian, you'll see the time frame in reference. Also note that this is how other encyclopaedias including Brittanica and Encarta classify it. You can also read through Talk:History_of_India#Requested_move as that has a lot of sources linked to it. The term "Pre-1947 Indian history" is never ever used. The legitimate alternative is History of the Indian Subcontinent, but even that is not as commonly used a term. Hope this helps, let me know if you have any other questions. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff05:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
by the way the page contradicts itself itsay under the title('This article is about the history of the Indian Subcontinent prior to the Partition of India in 1947'
) but has stuff after the 1947 look like the only npov name is 'History of the Indian Subcontinent' -rienforced by Britannica . what you think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mughalnz (talk • contribs)
You've completely lost me on this. I suggested that you read through Talk:History_of_India#Requested_move for a complete discussion on this. Brittanica also covers this topic under India:History, explaining that it covers the entire subcontinent. Read through the discussion and see some of the references used, they are definitely helpful in this topic. You aren't the only one with this concern, but it has been addressed there. Then you'll see why the alternative of History of the Indian subcontinent should only be a redirect, and not the title. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff05:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international cricket centuries by Sanath Jayasuriya/archive1
Hello :) I'm not sure I understand what you mean there. Do you want the not outs to appear after the outs when in ascending order, and the other way round in descending order?
I couldn't find the talk page. And IPA spellings for some word's seem to be "ca" for the soft c or "sa" sounds. How do i edit them ? --user:yogeshg1987 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yogeshg1987 (talk • contribs) 06:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Post your questions at Talk:Tamil language and the active editors will respond soon. Meant to say IAST, not IPA, sorry about that! Most of the changes you did weren't in compliance with the MOS, adding the lang template in section headers and everywhere there's a new word is not very helpful to the reader. Start with suggestions on the talk page linked above and you'll find your comments addressed pretty soon. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff06:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for all your work on the translation there. I for one very much notice and appreciate it. I only do mostly Latinate languages myself, and some Hungarian and Japanese.
I think you are wrong to want to pare PNT down by which class of languages. Certainly I could do this, I am kinda a linguist software engineer cross, and I could write a bot that did that no problen. It would depend, I guess, on languages being classified (in WP I mean) so you could watch, say, Indo-European Languages. Or, I suppose, Right-to-left reading order languages. Whatever, I guess it comes off the category, which is large but finite.
But considering that the traffic at PNT is quite small, it does not seem worth doing. If you could think where such a filter may be usefully applied elsewhere, I should be happy to write it.
I didn't want to pare it down, but rather have a bot report to user talk pages when one of the "less common" languages shows up on the list. I regularly check for Tamil, Hindi and sometimes Spanish if it stays on too long. However, there are many languages that aren't checked regularly (Malayalam, Bengali, Turkish etc etc), but we have lots of editors who could do those. So my idea was -- if an editor can help out, but doesn't check this page often, they can get a notification on their talk page that something in X language needs translation. This could potentially reduce the backlogs and/or also increase the number of articles actually translated instead of being deleted. I've also seen a few transwiki requests, so maybe this could help there too. Does this clarify? cheers. -SpacemanSpiff17:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I understand what you say, but am not sure it clarifies. Are you suggesting that it is sent to eveyone conversant in Malayalam, for example? I Idon't know that the criterion is for including people.
There is also the difficulty that most translations are bad. The few I have done I have had thanks for because I have translated properly, not just picked the first word that came to mind. And without exception I have had thanks for the translation. It is a stepping stone to let others then add other content, I try to translate faithfully and after that it is someone else's job
I really don't see, considering the relatively low traffic, why editors can't just watch PNT. I do, and pick articles in languages I know, the rest I leave. I hope I do a good job by wiifying them too
Oh well, I see your point, but I was saying that people don't watchlist, but take care of translations when asked (I've asked a few times). My suggestion is to have a bot available for notifications, advertise on the different wikiprojects, and people can opt in if they wish to do so. Also, the same bot could be used for transwiki requests, when someone wants an article ported and translated from it.wiki to en.wiki and so on. Right now, we have a list of translators, but I know that at least for the Hindi and Tamil articles, none of those listed there have ever shown up at WP:PNT. Again, this was just a suggestion, I really don't know if it's worth the effort, so I'd leave it up to you and the other more active people out there. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff17:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
my brother thanks
thanks for making me to follow wikipdia rules and regulations.the article i have donated on Wiki are not only as per my knowledge but refers to several news magazines, papers which are part of hard wares,and if it can be possible,i can upload the newspaper also, you are right, the topic is about Khurai district and Education in it. I can understand the topics are premature, but it can be kept as stub rather to delete. My warm thanks to you once again,hope my words will not go in vain. Yours affectionately, Wikindia24x7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikindia24x7 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Are you saying that all the images that you have uploaded are "from news magazines"? As for the topics, please note that Wikipedia is not a soapbox, whatever requirement you have for a separate district has to be handled by you locally and not through Wikipedia. Seriously, you have refused to listen to the multiple editors who have tried to counsel you, and keep creating too many invalid articles, categories, redirects etc, adding completely unreliable info to articles and anything that shouldn't be done. -SpacemanSpiff18:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Congrats!
Happy to see you made the cut for admin for life status. ;) How were the bhadushah? I added the photo to the combined article for now. I don't really have any idea if balushahi and bhadushah should be separated out into separate articles not, but I think it's okay the way it is for now unless someone wants to change it. Have fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I was thrilled by your "looks okay" comment ;) I really don't know enough about this to figure out if they need separate articles either, from the looks and recipe, it's just the same. These were store bought, not homemade like the earlier pic. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff19:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
hello
hello,
i hadn't seen your message requesting not to change andhra pradesh name to telangana.but telangana is official state which was declared by central government of india.
BTW i started editing it only to activate my account which asked me to do atleast 10 edits and i preferred to change andhra pradesh to telangana(as per my knowledge it is official) and even it is updated in wikipedia(in telangana page that central government declared telangana).
The Telangana page says that the process has been started, nothing more. Even if it is changed to a state, birth places of people will continue to be Andhra Pradesh as we document it based on what it was at that time. As for the 10 edits bit, it's always good to do non-controversial changes, not incorrect ones. Hope this helps. Happy editing. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff03:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Aren't RFAs supposed to roasts ? The comments at yours were more like encomiums. Deservedly so. Congratulations and welcome to the cabal janitorial closet!
A forewarning: RegentsPark and I plan to play hooky twice as often now, and the newest kid on the block always gets to handle all the biggest messes. Enjoy the tools. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations, condolences, good luck, sorry to hear about your new condition! A look at the talk pages of your two nominators tells me that they really are trying to unload on you :-) . Priyanathtalk18:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Ah! Yours was the first time I was the first to vote, so glad it passed! If you need any help, feel free to drop me a line. GedUK16:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5)
Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll.
Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block.
i think this is it [7][8]. Same address as "Indian Thought" (as listed in Bapasi website and in my 2006 edition books). But the press name is different (may be as it is common practice for the print companies to have different imprints). i cross checked the chennai directory (it is a bsnl number) - [9] and the number (4424344519) belongs to a "Shri krishnamurthy" and address is the same. furthur confirmed by this directory [10]. And it gives another imprint name - Krishnamurthy Books. And bingo he is minnie's husband [11]—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sodabottle (talk • contribs)
oh noes. not tvs lakshmi. I hate that school (had a couple of weirdo roomies from there in college and while working). will put it in deep back burner and work on it when i want to punish myself.--Sodabottle (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Nadars are Kshatriyas
Hi Man
I am a Nadar guy and our clan is Pandiyakula Kshatriya Nadars. our Native is Thirumangalam, Madurai district. We have matrimonial links with similar Kshatriya nadar clans in and around Madurai districts. I have photographs of tamil kalvettu refering nadars as Kshatriya nadar. I will email you our temples snapshots. Also I have lot of web references @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nadar_(caste) . I need yourself to edit the kshatriya wiki page and add Nadars as non-vedic Kshatriyas.
If you play games, I have no option other than to consider wiki as Kena payyan webpage-la kirukku paya nattama :P
For guys like you im going to float our clan's website and substanciate with facts.
I don't care who you are or what you consider yourself to be. Now that we have settled that bit, let's see, your POV has no place in article space; for any content that you add to article space, you need reliable sources. Your caste website and other such things have no reliability or relevance. And quite honestly, I don't care if you float a clan website or not, that has no bearing on my life or on my wikipedia editing. Clear enough? -SpacemanSpiff04:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Neither do i care what you think of me. What Im concerned about is as an Admin, you removed my edit in Kshatriya webpage that said Nadars as Kshatriya nadars. May be you want more proof, pls read my web references at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nadar_(caste) . From your above reply, It looks like you have not read the link in full before cornering me. I dont want to argue with you. If you say the web reference i have given in the above link is not sufficient, so are the references given to tamil books which no language neutral admin can verify. I am suspicious that your are safeguarding your caste material.
Quite honestly, if you think that because there's a casteist organization that considers itself as belonging to a certain segment it qualifies as a reliable source, you're wrong. We report what scholarly sources have published. It's just that simple. Now, if you get such sources, I'm very open to discussing content. However, this business of "they are wrong and only I speak the truth" isn't going to get you anywhere. -SpacemanSpiff04:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
mm your explanation is quite intersting, if you go by this logic then no caste wiki page can exist. when it comes to casteism it matters what a particular group has to say about themselves for generations in records and stones then what others say. I pointed to the hindu webpage as it reflected few facts. I dont want to lecture you here. Also im not saying they are wrong and only i speak the truth. It is your POV. Im asserting my own caste and its history. Im also skeptic that you would reject even if I refer to a scholarly article that refernces Nadars as Kshatriyas as POV of the scholar. Here is one scholarly book that refers to Nadars as Kshatriyas [12] search for kshatriya in the sample page previewer.
PK Nadan (talk) 05:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Nadan, the websites you have given are not qualified as reliable sources by wikipedia policies. if you want to add your information you will have to source it with sources that qualify. Moreover the court cases etc you cite are from 20th century. The struggle by Nadars to assert that they are kshatriyas date backs to mid 19th century. When the colonial historians categorised nadars as sudras, there was a movement to oppose it and ask for kshathriya qualification. For example, The Sandror kazhagam and other Nadar organisations have indeed published books by PhD scholars and Tamil historians disputing Edgar Thurston, William Caldwell, Sarah Tucker and Robert Hardgrave's depiction of Nadars. There are histories of how Nadars argued for Kshatriya status in the 18th century from 1850s to 1900s. Those books and works can meet Wikipedia qualifications. Please get them and use them as sources, instead of these websites. That way the information you are trying to add has a better chance of staying in wikipedia. Wikipedia maintains a certain standard of references and Spiff as an admin is merely enforcing them. Accusing him of casteist intentions is in very very bad form--Sodabottle (talk) 05:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
harvnb in AHA
Regarding the notes plus references format for Anti hindi Agitations, i have a peculiar problem. The book that has most multiple references is the "passions of the tongue" by sumathy ramaswamy. it gets referenced like 15 times. The trouble is i dont have the usual book edition to point page numbers. I used the online edition which has only chapters as seperate html pages. And my hardcopy is a downloaded and printed one, so no help there either. So i am citing whole chapters as (4.22 or 4.21 or 5.30 etc) and each citation url is pointing to the correct chapter. If i shift to notes plus ref style, then two problems arise 1) i dont know the individual page nos for the print edition - i can only quote the entire chapter pages like 168-179 (found out through searching in gbooks limited preview)2) i wont be able to point the url to the exact chapter in the online edition. This was the reason i didnt go for the notes plus ref format. Any ideas how to tackle this?--Sodabottle (talk) 04:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Try this from the index. You should get page nos for everything from this, where it's blocked, I'd suggest you check the no of pages on the chapter for this vs your online version and number them accordingly. Also, instead of page no on Harvnb, you can use location to link to chapters, see {{Harvnb}} for the exact syntax for the different formats. Hope this helps. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff04:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Another alternative is for you to search on gbooks for a string "One day during their daily march" from the page you're referencing from. Even if it's blocked, you'll get the page no from gbooks. In GA/FA reviews this matters a fair bit. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff04:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Your Noble Action as an Administrator Is requested
Dear Respected Administrator . Congratulations for becoming an Administrator. You appear to be managing Carnatic Music and/or Purandara Dasa, and/or Ugaboga articles.
Without discussion the original position of Purandara Dasa photo was replaced with a non-human photo with no RS. Based on information posted already by different editors of Wikipedia following are references.
Dr. Piero Scaruffi (international author on music books) in the article A Summary on Indian Music: 'The founder of Karnataka style is considered to be Purandara Daasa'. : [13]
Prof VSS Rao- 'Shri Puradara Daasa is known as the pra-pithamaha (founder) of modern Carnatic classical music.' [14]
Shri P.N.Krishnamoorthy – Director. [15] The Sangeetha Vidyalaya 'Purandara Dasa (1484 - 1584) can be said to be the principal founder of the Carnatic system as we know it today.'
Kamat Research Database : 'The Father of Carnatic Music Composer Purandaradasa (15/16th Century) was a great literary and musical genius. [16]
Independent group: 'Shri Purandara Daasa is known as the pra-pithamaha (founder) of modern Carnatic classical music.' [17]
In the book 'MS – A Life in Music' by TJS George. New Delhi: HarperCollins, 2005 (4th Impression).-ISBN81-7223-527-5. '... the development of Carnatic music from the times of Purandara Dasa (1480-1564), considered to be the father of the genre' (see [Music genre])
All wikipedia editors of Carnatic Music have unanimously agreed that Purandara Dasa is Pitamaha ( meaning father in Kannada ) of Carnatic Music. In English to call someone the "father" of something means he created it, not merely enhanced it or popularized it . Therefore Purandara Dasa is called either the creator or inventor or founder of todays Carnatic Music (Aka Karnataka Music). The editor responded to RFC also concluded the same.
PN. I am not Naadapriya but followed above articles since many years. Please change the above three articles to the original status before the current sole owner Ncmvocalist have changed them with out discussions. So far several attempted correct it but they were all tainted with sock puppetry.
Your noble action as an Administrator of highly respected Wikipedia will make Wikipedia still a better place for all of us live, particularly users like me who help children to use wikipedia. FROM A MULTI_USER COMPUTER SYSTEM 76.212.15.89 (talk) 05:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Please stop synthesizing material. How does someone become the founder of something that existed before them? In addition, claiming that you aren't Naadapriya after checkuser has confirmed it, isn't exactly going to get you many ears. Stop your disruption. -SpacemanSpiff05:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Respected New Adminstrator . Following is not a synthesis:
Dr. Piero Scaruffi (international author on music books) in the article A Summary on Indian Music: 'The founder of Karnataka style is considered to be Purandara Daasa'. : [18]
Prof VSS Rao- 'Shri Puradara Daasa is known as the pra-pithamaha (founder) of modern Carnatic classical music.' [19]
Shri P.N.Krishnamoorthy – Director. [20] The Sangeetha Vidyalaya 'Purandara Dasa (1484 - 1584) can be said to be the principal founder of the Carnatic system as we know it today.'
Kamat Research Database : 'The Father of Carnatic Music Composer Purandaradasa (15/16th Century) was a great literary and musical genius. [21]
Independent group: 'Shri Purandara Daasa is known as the pra-pithamaha (founder) of modern Carnatic classical music.' [22]
In the book 'MS – A Life in Music' by TJS George. New Delhi: HarperCollins, 2005 (4th Impression).-ISBN81-7223-527-5. '... the development of Carnatic music from the times of Purandara Dasa (1480-1564), considered to be the father of the genre' (see Music genre)
There is no RS to state that Non-human invented today's Carnatic Music. If as an wiki admistrator you are endorsing non-scientific statement, it is time for us to stop approching you and try to seek others. BTW I am reading CM even before Naadapriya entered. You were not invovled unless we are mistaken. Any specific reason for your ad-hoc involvement. It will clear the air. Applying approved wiki tool such as CU is OK on our system. Of recent our system adminstrator has indicated possibilities of external intruders. We are in the process of contacting appropriate team to clarify. USER FROM MULTI_USER SYSTEM76.212.15.89 (talk) 08:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Our system adminstrator informed us that no indication of CU being applied to our system. You state that CU has been applied. Please provide the statistics when and who applied it. We will make sure that their will be no viloations. Thanks.76.212.15.89 (talk) 08:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Just an explanation - Check user tool is a wikipedia internal tool for analyzing the pattern of edits and identifying sock puppets. It does not do anything physically in your computer/network. It analyzes edits to wikipedia coming from your IP address. More here WP:CHECKUSER. Also if you get an user id, you will be able to talk to admins and other editors better.--Sodabottle (talk) 09:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
வனக்கும் (greeting) Thanks for the response though expected answer from SS. Based on CU description what would the relation between NV and SS since both use word 'synthesizing ' to defend POV in CM. I guess they are called meatpuppets if I understood correctly. NOT Naadapriya76.212.11.35 (talk) 18:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
<--Look, Spiff, if someone asks you nicely to do something, you should just go ahead and do it. No need to get all particular about details like "synthesis" and "chronology"--the latter is just a colonialist concept anyway. I wish I had as many acronyms and IPs as NOT Naadapriya; I could do some useful stuff on Wikipedia. Greetings from your honorary Tamil, Drmies (talk) 03:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for stopping by and for the wise counsel doc, I was expecting you to follow Satbir Singh around for a while, but you have come in search of nobler pursuits I guess. How are things that side of the good fight? cheers -SpacemanSpiff04:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I left a note under your notice on my talk. In short: I was about to get busy, but I was interrupted, and then some Respected Administrator had already taken care of business--just as I was ready to show my balls on some talk page or other, haha. So--you agree that chronology is overrated, and that someone, if they are talented enough, can easily spawn something that's born a thousand years before them? Drmies (talk) 04:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
NO Synthesis
All accept that Purandaradasa is the father of Carnatic Music. As seen in wikipedia articles Jimmy Wales is called both Father of Wikipedia and Founder of Wikipedia. Just like that Purandaradasa is
the founder of today's (modern, post 15th CE) Carnatic Music. Please use your editing capability of surgical precision to make the correction to CM article. Wikipedia readers will remember this extraordinary act by a new Admn grown beyond language barriers.76.192.201.42 (talk) 07:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, NOT Naadapriya, I'm not feeling you. The slippage between "Carnatic Music" in your first sentence and "today's (modern, post 15th CE) Carnatic Music" is telling. I find it strange, though, that you are arguing this point, when your disruptive edits were intended to have the image caption call him "founder" of Carnatic music. Your real intent, obviously, is to equate the metaphorical "Father" with the non-metaphorical "founder"--but the latter term cannot be taken metaphorically, and thus your house is not built on solid rock. I think most Wikipedia readers, and certainly most editors, will understand this. Greetings, Drmies (talk) 19:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I had them once, but I try to mark up my watchlist by clicking a bunch of things in a row so I know where I'm up to, and I ended up undoing a week's worth of other people's article work. Why is everyone trying to give me tools? Let's cut to the chase and make me an admin already. Or an arb. Although I can't promise I will read all the evidence. Too time consuming. But I will review the arguments of the other Arbs and assess the usernames and cabal membership affiliations of those participating in any case I decide. It's the least I can do. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
You can have my rollback; I barely use it anymore--I'm all Twinkley, thanks to Sky. And before anyone makes CoM an admin, I want to see him on barrel duty for a couple of weeks. CoM is right, though: I am long overdue for a block, but make it long enough for me to finish this book. Drmies (talk) 20:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I must admit I am quite happy being a normal editor and not having these tools, that way I can't accidentally abuse them. Either by an accidental click of a button, or being too hasty. But that is just my self-knowedge. most who have them seem to use them responsibly Si Trew (talk) 07:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Don't encourage CoM or Drmies, they're enough trouble already! But, the only thing that can be accidentally misused is rollback, pretty much everything else has a fairly decent check mechanism. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff07:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Spiff, thanks for the advice. That took another half an hour from my life which I'll never get back. Do you mind going over the infobox? I can't get the demographics to come out right. Also, feel free to cut from the template whatever is unlikely to ever be important. As you know, I don't do geography... Thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Looks good, I've cleaned it up -- removed the unused sections/titles and also fixed the ethnicity and faith bits. In future, to simplify your life, you could do something else too, place the project tag in the talk page and add the "|needs-infobox=yes" bit in there. Someone from the Pakistan project would be able to fill it in!-SpacemanSpiff22:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
It looks like our article did not qualify for wikipedia. :(
We will revise this to sound encyclopedic and with other requirements.
Based on the deleted comments, it requires that we contact you in the even we need to post a similar/revised writing to be sure it qualifies to all requirements. :)
Thanks for blocking 76.98.50.251 for me. I was too busy doing other things to watch my userpage that they used as a target for their vandalism.
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Hey Spiff, if you have a minute, please have a look at Kastor. A variety of similar IPs keeps reinserting the same BS, overriding the current redirect. Can you push a quick "protect" button, or should I go to the board? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 06:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
This one was pretty straightforward; I think the page should have been deleted first and then redirected, so that more reverts won't happen, but I'll let someone else do that if needed. You mean you haven't heard Layla before??? Do you ever listen on Pandora (music service). I find it very good, introduces me to all sorts of new artistes I've never heard before. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff06:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
<--I'll check it out. Listen, Spiff, you know you are dealing with a commaf***er here: you're referring to the song, which even dead people can whistle along with, I was talking about the album. Truly a find. Oh, what you said about deleting and redirecting, I don't get it--unless you mean by that that the acts of vandalism are simply "undo"s. Is that how you mean it? I'm trying to learn for when I run for office, though I am aiming to shoot for bureacratship straightaway, without stopping at admin. Drmies (talk) 06:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the block. You know, it's still a bit disconcerting to hear that kind of stuff. ANYWAY--I never knew how great the album was; I'm on this mission to complete my Duane Allman collection. Do you know that, after two months of practice, I can play the first two licks from the Allman Brothers' version of "Statesboro Blues?" I don't know how much further I am going to get. OK, I'm going to head out and leave the fort to you. Keep on fighting the good fight! Drmies (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm reading a few uninteresting articles to update the history section of Flag of India, so the whack-a-mole bit in between is the least I could do! Ah, didn't realize you were talking about the album, I got it as a gift a few years back, and I loved it despite my misgivings with the title. I tried my hand at a cheap guitar a couple of years ago, no luck, got to blame the bad genes for the fingers. I can play the Indian national anthem though, but it's difficult to do it while standing still! G'nite. -SpacemanSpiff07:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey Spiff, when we have time, shouldn't we turn Layla into a GA, or even an FA? The album deserves it, I think--and I say that also because Remain in Light was on the front page a couple of days ago. Take care, Drmies (talk) 18:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I normally stay away from (Western) music articles because of our strange customs around them. I've found real world notables not accorded the same importance here and vv. I can help out when you're ready to start, though, it'll be more on the sourcing and expanding bit, you'll have to take care of the MOS thingy (I can't figure out many of these requirements on film and music articles). cheers. -SpacemanSpiff22:25, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
<--I've started a bit of cleanup and reorganization. The new format will be shortened footnotes, and sourcing is the primary issue. I just got a copy of Skydog: The Duane Allman Story--unfortunately I got it as a Christmas gift for my neighbor, so I have to read it very carefully. Hopefully he has it already, haha! I'm not going to be so worried about the MOS there. I had a pretty rough but ultimately successful ride with Kronos Quartet discography, but shortened footnotes and a bibliography, that should make everybody happy. I'll give you a holler when I can use your help. In the meantime, if you can block ChildofMidnight, just for the hell of it, that would be nice. Haha, you can't, cause you're an admin, so you have to act like a grown-up! No more naked women in the edit screen! No more having fun! Go check out AIV and block someone! Or worse, get involved in a 3RR conflict, haha. Take it easy Spiff, Drmies (talk) 00:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, this chap has been inserting his blog links everywhere. He's never got a final level warning because he blanks it out. He's on his last strike now, let's see. -SpacemanSpiff23:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for the advice, I've improved the article, I was wondering if you could give me some tips on what else to add. I'm sorry to bother you, I was just wondering if you have any advice, as I don't want it to be nominated for deletion again. (also, could you please place a {{talkback}} on my talk page?) Thanks, HaiyaTheWin (talk) 23:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
First, I'd suggest asking User:ChildofMidnight to help out, he's the patron saint of such articles, and this will give him something useful to do. Next, I'd suggest getting rid of the Units bit, without any real content, that feels out of context and like an advertisement. Also, most of the statements in the article can be referenced to the news articles that I posted via the gnews link on the talk page, so I'd suggest changing from self-referencing to news references. Also use some of the books on gbooks for referencing. Hope this helps. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff01:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! I thought the programs was more like an ad than the units... I looked at some of the stuff on the gnews link, and I did include some. I'll look at the gbooks links. I'll also talk to ChildofMidnight, thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by HaiyaTheWin (talk • contribs) 01:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, Spiff didn't revert your edits, Aaroncrick did, for a very good reason: the material is simply not encyclopedic. It's appropriate for a fansite, but not for Wikipedia, where a more objective presentation of highly relevant material is important. Besides, those sources don't look particularly strong. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
To add to what Drmies has already mentioned, you've been warned many many times for adding that weebly link of yours, all you do is remove those warnings continue to add it. That's just not cricket. -SpacemanSpiff01:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
@ Drmies, Thanks for the response, What i thought was this could be good for sachin's fans. But, i feel satisified now. Thanks for the response.
@ Spaceman,Yes i did clear that warning in my talk page, i did so, coz my talk page would be clear. Not for any spamming reason though. I myself hate spamming & if wikipedia terms think that my link is inappropriate then defnitelly i'm not gonna add anything again!. Thanks for the response. Heartbreakklassie (talk) 05:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Spiff, check ANI--it's not just spamming. Bottom of the page. Try instant blocks, on sight? I'm shooting from the hip with rollback. Drmies (talk) 07:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
why?
why did you delete my precious page on ROJEEN? That page was very immportant to me. It took me a long time to make it, too. Please tell me why A.S.A.P.
Alright then, before i leave i must say: my plan was to keep on working on it day by day, do ur mean!
Miss Piggy98 (talk) 22:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)Miss piggy 98
hey wat do you thinhk about
Permanently place discussion of naming of article in the currently used article discussion page for first time user lol could'nt find archives also possibly somone or group of editors make the tile page summary more clearer for readers , editors, and people.To stop people like me keep bringing topic up again,again, and wasting time .Inconclusion make title summary more simpler for people to undertand and maybe a indepth bit for more knowledglable people
I have already placed it in the discussion page for the article
Sorry to bother you at Christmas time ,thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mughalnz (talk • contribs) 04:04, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
It's right there on the main page at Talk:History_of_India#Requested_move, why are you looking at the archives? Don't worry about disturbing me, I'm very much online these days. If you've placed what you want on the talk page, I'm sure other editors will respond, I haven't been active on the page in a while. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff04:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Dear admin,
I am really sorry for the damages caused, I didn't mean to be one sided or biased. This is just a message to say "sorry". I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. From RaheethaRaheetha (talk) 22:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
No damage was caused since the edit was removed and you don't have to apologize to me, however, please don't add such content in the future. Happy editing and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff00:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for your comment at WGB's talk page. I tried to tell him to go celebrate Christmas as a disguised "Please take time away from the project" but apparently he didn't get that. It seems like a couple of users are getting a little out of control posting there; I had to refresh 6 times to post my message. ceranthor15:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it is getting a little out of hand. That was a most unfortunate RfA, I hope people have enough presents to unwrap and ignore this for a while. Merry Christmas! cheers. -SpacemanSpiff15:22, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
We respect you but please understand and address our concern also.
Dear Mr.Spaceman Spiff,
I pain to understand that vettuva gounder page is removed again. We have research information from archeology reports to support the community claim and it is one of the oldest Tamil community and it has representation of more than ten lakhs.
We received the Vettuva Gounder.org press release to support the community Vettuvagounder.org press release information to be placed in the Wikipedia open encyclopedia.
If we argue every information presented in encyclopedia are natural truth, there is nothing like copyrighted information as such. However, we have permitted to show a heritage community.
There are other upper community in "GOunder" proclaim that gounder means that only Kongu Vellalar and it is false claim , they even removed Vettva gounder community but if you see in Tamilnadu govenrment order, Vettuvagounder is one of the recognised community.
If needed, i can provide the Govt certificate in this nature.
I am open for discussion and it is unethical and allow one community to have wikipage and other community name removed even from the entry to wiki. It is unjustice.
Please restore the pages
Thanks,
MOhan Kumara Vel, 06:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Still not ok, the page has a copyright notice. You'll have to make the text on the page available for use by sharealike licensing or follow what's mentioned on WP:Copyright. Just allowing Wikipedia to use such material is not allowed. That said, I have no comment on the content itself, that's subject to standard Wikipedia editorial practices. However, if you're copying something from somewhere, it has to be per the right license terms. -SpacemanSpiff06:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
We addressed your concern, Could you restore the page , we can edit and improve
Dear Mr.Spaceman Spiff,
We resolved the conflicting information removed from the vettuvagoudner.org website. So could you undelete the page now. YOu can remove the marriages information in the page...
There's no resolution, the content is still under copyright violation and I will not restore it. If you want to create a new article in your own words without copying anything from that website, I have no problem, just go ahead and do it. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff07:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Heh, long overdue, I was fixing bits and pieces myself, and finally, I dropped it on Thursday (courtesy, my very high maintenance dog), so no choice. Half an hour with the new one, I'm still not comfortable with the new trackpad. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff17:43, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
@Priyanath:Oh, it's good (both in feel and in terms of theoretical functionality). Just that it needs some getting used to, I'm so used to the old one, that it's misinterpreting my intentions right now! @Abecedare:That's how I was feeling, I'd changed the hard drive, RAM, top case and the optical drive (the last one at least was a free replacement done by Apple). cheers. -SpacemanSpiff18:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I should have assumed as much since Apple really does seem to improve things when they make changes, compared to They-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. "George Washington's axe"? I'll have to remember that. I have an elderly friend who could justifiably have that as his nickname. Priyanathtalk19:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey Spiff, a moment of your time...
...please have a look at the AfD for Hussain Muradi, and look through the history at a recent edit summary: BLP concerns were spoken of, and they might well be justified. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 03:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I think it's a case of BLP1E, and also justifies my stance on borderline BLPs. However, for obvious reasons, I'm not going to get involved in the AfD, although I think it's a very justified one. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff03:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
have a question
why would you delete my page for keith millot? it's a friend of mine and he was depressed and i did it to cheer him up. i planned to remove it tomorrow, but he never saw it. thanks a lot.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bosred524 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Dear admin, I don't understand how the Bajrang Dal are not part of "State Sponsored Terrorism"... They are sponsored by the BJP and do terrorize minorities... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iqwinder (talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, just because you say something is state sponsored terrorism, it isn't! No reliable sources report it as such, and no one qualifies these organizations as agents of the state, so obviously, when they aren't agents of the state, nothing they do is state sponsored. -SpacemanSpiff20:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Iqwinder: Go and check the Human Rights Watch, it has classified these organizations are radical and this is common knowledge that they are all for Hindutva and therefore want to rid India of Minorities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iqwinder (talk • contribs) 20:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
You're missing the point, I never said that these aren't radical organizations. I only said that they are not state sponsored. There's a big difference between the two, so I'd suggest you drop the stick now. -SpacemanSpiff20:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
LOL, firstly how is this original research when Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have stated these things and these are not my personal opinions. The things I was trying to get across are well known but people like you don't understand but it's ok, thanks for you time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iqwinder (talk • contribs) 21:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Please help me
I wonder how http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,985129,00.html?internalid=atm100 is reliable source of info as cited in very first few lines on the article. Reference do not claim of what it is used for. Since it looks like you have attained the ownership of the article, i request you to go through the article at least once and see it yourself how many useless and irrelevant and even false claims are made in the article. If Editors like you start taking ownership of articles then how can i make contribution to the article of my choice. I don't understand what reliable sources are for you. My claim for this as reliable source was simply discarded by you. Can you plz explain me what is reliable source of info. --Bigsuperindia (talk) 04:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Either you really don't understand what I said or you're just arguing for argument's sake. Three editors have disagreed with you and reverted your additions, and you accuse me of "ownership". Whatever it is, keep these discussion on the article talk page, not here. -SpacemanSpiff04:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I apologize for the misunderstanding. I completely missed the part about her changing her English transliteration from "Mukherjee" to "Mukerji" for numerological reasons. Thank you for the information.
--Getsnoopy (talk) 02:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi, good job on that one! I noticed that you are using the past tense throughout, doesn't the magazine exist any more? --Crusio (talk) 09:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure, but I think it was shut down in the late 80s/early 90s time frame when a lot of magazines went out of business, particularly from the Times' stable. Also, there's no reference in any news/journal article in the past 10-15 years on Gnews or Gbooks, while there are quite a few from the 70s and 80s, so I think we can safely assume that it's out of print. Also, if it exists, the Times Group wouldn't allow a squatter to have the domain www.dinaman.com. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff09:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Good to know that my memory serves me well :) Without any publication data, I don't think this thesis could be used as a source though. cheers -SpacemanSpiff09:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Re: Avatar
The last discussion that occurred was 2 weeks ago, not of the extreme length the HTML comment note implied, and the reverter was an IP who did not provide an edit summary for their reversion. I will be quite happy to give my rationale on the talkpage though. Cheers, --Cybercobra(talk)19:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC) Please use {{talkback}} if necessary.
Well, two weeks is not a long time, and the addition was the result of the move request. The movie is still in theaters and the page continues to get a significant number of hits, so it's logical to leave it on for a while. It's not a permanent addition. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff19:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
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