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User talk:Smsarmad/Archives/2013/November
editing living person etc.what part of a referenced article is a violation of any copyrights at any level is what really blows my mind. you are so full of yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.137.234 (talk) 07:04, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
MM Alam revertSmsarmad, I had made a modification to the page, which cited an article on a reputable site (bharat rakshak). You reverted it on the grounds that the previous version was cited. I do not understand the basis, since had taken care to provide a cite that could be verified and the previous version had only an offline book where the cite was not easily verifiable. Further, given the wording of the wikipedia entry you prefer, since it is vague, it is unlikely to be verbatim extractr from the cite. Would appreciate your case & inputs on why this was reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barath s (talk • contribs) 16:22, October 25, 2013 (UTC)
Smsarmad, I beleive the reason was provided in the edit.- that the basis of indian dispute was unclear given the wording of the article ("some such reason") and was clarified. Whereas your revert on the basis that no cite was provided is incorrect/specious at best and ignores the evidence at hand. A cite was provided for the specific claim. Even if the source was used/attributed elsewhere, it does not detract from the usage here. The bharat rakshak source is cited for a specific claim and sentence in the article . While I do not have access to the original source cited, I do have access to second hand info on it. From these wordings I have reasons to believe that the first source mentioned does not rely upon (Jon Guttman) does not substantially rely upon Indian sources/or opinions. This is not really an issue except when it is specifically used to talk about an indian opinion or case, in which situation it may perhaps be misleading (in fact an explicit disclaimer that jon guttman offered relevant here was omitted). I doubt if wikipedia policy really supports the use of potentially misleading or vague cites. Similarly second hand information would have it that "Fiza ya" share concerns similar to the ones I attributed and not the vague "some such reason" in the article. Again, it is not possible to verify whether the wording and citations would tend to be misleading. When it is suspected to be misleading, and alternate sources and wordings are possible, one should prefer the latter. And suggesting that reversions without due cause (who gets to decide) can be disruptive and could invite administrative action sounds awfully like a threat. Especially when I have taken care to explain and notify and reach out for the reasons for the same and you have not, in your (initial) revert. May I invite you to state your opinion and case more explicitly whether you view this modification as disruptive? Any Indo-pak article tends to run the risk of a flame war. One must therefore be especially cautious to adhere to fairness principles, which should invite the reader to make up his own mind. Stating an opposing point of view in a vague or wishy washy manner tends to lead towards a biased articles. Reverting those changes on an incorrect claim should be done with care. Oh, and the relevant policies I believe to support my actions include this, [[1]], and [[2]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barath s (talk • contribs) 10:06, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
1. Delete other's comment : Honestly puzzled on which reply was deleted. 2. The explanation was that "reverted to sourced comments", which left the implication of revert being due to un-sourced comments. The only other attribution I could assume for it was of being arbitrary or mala-fide revert; which is why instead of assuming, I posted here and asked you for your case. The rest of the discussion is available here. And your initial response also tended to buttress the same - revert due to lack of cite, unless you honestly felt that I should present a case for any edit. 3. Bharat Rakshak including elements of Fiza ya: I am aware of that; remember where I said that I had only partial and second hand details? - This is part of that. I hope you realize that it also undermines your case about having Fiza ya etc not being sourced/cited ? and buttresses my edit which sources the article (which quotes from your preferred cite but includes more details), rather than yours ? Also, having read the article I cited, I was aware of it from the initial point, whereas your late cite makes me wonder if you had just read this now, and were making reverts based on ignorance of this earlier. I could have made a response earlier about wikipedia policy not being to slavishly allow for no deletes of cites leading to ever increasing number of cites :). It has made your attitude to the article/edits and responses hard to explain to myself other than in a negative sense. And I still hope that isn't the case. 4. > But that source and the text cited to it are going to stay there whether you like it or not. Who died and made you god of that article or of cites ? :) May I humbly suggest that this is not in your hands ? 5. Neutrality : citing a portion of one article on one point while missing the larger discussion and other points and citing it in a way that is purposefully weak in presenting one side of the case is not neutral. 6. As mentioned, I did not have sufficient info either way to decide about reliable or unreliable or to report it as unreliable.(and had asked for more info on the talk page of the article) 7. I could offer some suggestions, but I doubt if you would be open to them. CHANGE OF SPELLING IN url FOR BABLOO PRITHVIRAJHi.I have recently edited facts on my husband actor Prithiveeraj.I did so since i found a lot of errors and misinformation about him.Some of the errors include mis-spelling of his name,birth place and wrong data of his career graph.There is another actor by the same name whose spelling and other information were being used for my husband.I have made most changes but i am unable to edit his spelling in the url.I also can verify the authenticity of the changes made since I am his wife and i believe there cannot be a more reliable source.I have abided by all the ethical code of conduct specified by your site.Kindly help me with the spelling in the url .I want to thank you for allowing me to do the necessary changes uptill now. Looking forward to your suggestions and response at the earliest. Thank you Beena PrithiveerajBeenaprithiveeraj (talk) 07:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
NEED YOUR HELPDear SmSarmad, I am really in need of help of someone who can help us in correcting an article on wikipedia. One of my friends has an article on Wikipedia but its some incorrect information, and also we try to update it as things change, but everytime we try and update the information one of the other editor/ or user goes and UNDOES our changes. This has been going on for a long time. We really need your help.
Sandra — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameszapper (talk • contribs) 08:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC) Dear SmSarmad, I am really in need of help of someone who can help us in correcting an article on wikipedia. One of my friends has an article on Wikipedia but its some incorrect information, and also we try to update it as things change, but everytime we try and update the information one of the other editor/ or user goes and UNDOES our changes. This has been going on for a long time. We really need your help. Can you please conatct me on (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameszapper (talk • contribs) 08:30, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Hiehey, no offence.I will take care of it next time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapan joshi (talk • contribs) 09:09, 4 November 2013 (UTC) MORE HELP TO EDIT Prithiveeraj-BablooThank you very much for correcting the title.I would like to add that if you peruse the edited version you will find that a neutral point of view has been maintained & only wrong data has been altered.It has been done objectively & is mainly to avoid confusion since there are two individuals with the same name and in the same profession(but with different spellings,birthplace & career graph) The box(with his photograph) on the right side of the page still carries Prithiveeraj's birthplace as Kerala when it is really 'Bangalore'.Please help me to correct that informatiion too. Beena PrithiveerajBeenaprithiveeraj (talk) 13:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC) RELIABLE SOURCE OF VERIFICATION FOR INFO ON Prithiveeraj-BablooHi.As soon as I can get a newspaper or magazine to corroborate the reliability of information on Prithiveeraj-Babloo,I will request them to add it in Wikipedia.Till then please help me to carry the edited version Thank you Beena PrithiveerajBeenaprithiveeraj (talk) 13:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for November 7Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Durand Line, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Shkin (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC) Hey bro i saw you editing Moor film article and I'm thankful for that. BUT as there's deletion tag by wikipedia on this article, A discussion is going on at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moor (film) , please contribute your opinion their for this template removal.UBS (talk) 14:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, that's a good news, you are a pretty good editor, adding references is hard job to do, keep,Downward Dog in notice too :) UBS (talk) 16:57, 7 November 2013 (UTC) Pakistan User Group
You are receiving this message because you are a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan. This message was delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 17:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC) Pakistan Standard TimeHi, PST is Pacific Standard Time, and NOT Pakistan Standard Time. PKT is actually what you think PST to be! Please correct me if I am wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fouady (talk • contribs) 16:07, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Students of PakistanHello Bro. Can you please kindly tell me why you have placed tag for deletion on the page I created despite the fact I provided all the references and sources and properly cited them. Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rehmansiddiq (talk • contribs) 14:59, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Removal of Lalak Jan Shaheed Memorial Facebook PageDear Smsarmand, thanks for providing the opportunity to get back on the removed link. The page was started back in 2009 and a few contributors did approach for confirmation of dates and events etc. Since the page is moderated by Shaheed's son and a second cousin, so the information provided can be expected to be more accurate compared to that taken from other sources. If you still think the addition of link was not of any significant value, you may carry o with your decision. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imranhunzai (talk • contribs) 21:15, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
ChitralHi Mr/Ms Smsarmand. I see that you have moved the page 'Chitral Town' to 'Chitral'. I agree that it is commonly known as Chitral however there are three articles on Wikipedia on Chitral 1) Chitral 2) Chitral District 3) Chitral (princely state) When seraching for 'Chitral', people usually want to know about the region as a whole, and not just the town of Chitral. The name of the page therefore causes confusion. I believe that to make Wikipedia more user friendly, this confusion needs to be remove by renaming 1 to Chitral Town. Or alternatively, help us cleaning up the language and content of the page as the heading says the article is about Chitral Town while the content (most of it not referenced) talks about the district as a whole. Regards, T, Jones — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skywalker1998 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue XCII, November 2013
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. Speedy deletion declined: Amir MehdiHello Smsarmad, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Amir Mehdi, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 12:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC) Can You Believe?Can you believe that, Yasir72.multan is a female user. Her Name is Ayesha live in Pakistan. You can take more information about it by an administrator User User:RHaworth (Talk). She is his wikipedia girlfriend. See User_talk:RHaworth/2013_Oct_23#Love You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.186.0.152 (talk) 06:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Your edithere, the source is not on about 1971, he is discussing periods afterwards. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
UtmanzaiI did a bit of work at Utmanzai (tribe) which has also caused some changes at Wazir (Pashtun tribe). I'll be doing more on those and Ahmadzai soon. My starting point was the document from the Naval Postgraduate School. I wouldn't rely too heavily on a US Navy source for commentary on the border areas of Pakistan - the potential for bias should be obvious - but they produce quite a lot of those fact sheets and they do have a core that seems to present a decent jumping-off point for the unsourced tribal articles etc. Before I dive into other such articles, can you perhaps just check that what I have used seems reasonable? - Sitush (talk) 22:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
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