User talk:Smkolins/Archive 3

Notability of Badi School (Panama)

A tag has been placed on Badi School (Panama) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under thecriteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies,for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Mhking (talk) 21:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

List of Baha'is

Other wikipedia pages can't be references for a Wikipedia article. I would go back to Violet Riga's version, and only put back people with a required <ref> tag. It's the only way to go. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 12:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Other bad articles don't make an excuse for more bad articles. We have to try to meet the Wikipedia policies. Regards, --Jeff3000 (talk) 12:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I can see some logic in not having a list of Baha'is. The list could potentially get large and unmanageable, not to mention useless. I support keeping a list of only the most notable individuals, and keep a good reference on the page. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 05:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The pages that have categories for Baha'i individuals have references on those pages that they are Baha'is. Referencing is a must. --Jeff3000 (talk) 12:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
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Regarding "School of the Nations (Bahá'í - Macau)"

Anything related to Macau is welcome. I added the project banner to the article's talk page and it's now part of the project. I also noticed that no other articles are linked to "School of the Nations (Bahá'í - Macau)"; you might want to introduce links in related articles.Josuechan (talk) 17:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Generally, to make a category, first add it to a page (or to another category); a red link will appear at the bottom of the page; click on it, and just enter a space and save the page, and the category is created. For your specific question, just add a Category:Schools by religious affiliation to the Category:Bahá'í educational institutions category, and I think that should do it. --Jeff3000 (talk) 04:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

"F"

We've always used the capital "F" since part of the proper noun of the religion, and we should continue to do so. Using "Faith" as itself, however I would say is discouraged, and instead we should use religion. -- Jeff3000 (talk) 15:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Manual of Style

Hi Smkolins, the Manual of Style states that headings should be in sentence case, which means that only the first word should be capitalized, as opposed to every word being capitilized. So sections like "See Also" are against the manual of style, but should be "See also". Of course if a noun is a proper noun, then it should remain capitalized. So a section title like "In Christianity" would be fine. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 04:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in the United Kingdom

Updated DYK query On 22 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bahá'í Faith in the United Kingdom, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 12:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on starting a page that is on the front page. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 13:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - you did a lot of work cleaning up the refs - thank you!--Smkolins (talk) 14:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work!

I have to say i am impressed with this particular article: Bahá'í Faith in Vietnam. Its very rare to walk across such a gem of a new page. Nicely Wikified, excellent sourcing and categorizing, and no rule whatsoever that even looks remotely violated. Keep up the great work, i love seeing this kind of pages during newpage patrol! Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 22:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

  • From the looks of it, you have not received a barnstar for your editing efforts yet. I think its high time someone awards you one, so ill just be the one who does.
The Editor's Barnstar
For creating several magnificent articles, and making my Newpage Patrol highly enjoyable, I award you a well earned Editors Barnstar!
Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 22:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I'm still learning the {{cite}} style but I have I think contributing some good articles - nice to see someone else agree! I have had help of course - excellent work in the field so I can find refs and from wikipedia editors like Jeff3000.--Smkolins (talk) 22:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Baha'i content

Hello,

I've seen the Baha'i related content you have added and it looks great. I'd love if you'd contribute any articles that can't be included in wikipedia about the Faith that you've written to Bahaikipedia.

Best, T0lk (talk) 05:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Date format

Date formats in the accessdate= and date= fields have to be written in the International ISO format (yyyy-mm-dd), not the American format (mm-dd-yyyy). The ISO format allows the dates to be linked, and not appear as red links, as well as allowing the dates to be easily sorted. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 15:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in Brazil

Thank you for letting me know about this draft,I'll do what I can to organize this draft and develop in to a well structured article, if you don't know portuguese I can translate it.I really think you gave me a good idea in developing an article for Leonora Armstrong because she is very important for the Bahá'í Faith history in Brazil.Well anyway yes I'm from Brazil,and if you need to get in contact with me make yourself free. Regards, -- Fresh Prince Of Brazil (talk) 01:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the article needs some more work especially in the last few sections. Especially the bulleted list is not good style. I think you should have waited a little longer before posting it. -- Jeff3000 (talk) 02:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Another issue as I'm reading the article further is that a lot of the sources for the lower sections are the BIC. It would be much much better, and in my mind almost necessary, if there were some some references that were third-party. -- Jeff3000 (talk) 03:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll talk on it's talk page.--Smkolins (talk) 15:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in Brazil

Updated DYK query On 18 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in Brazil, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 13:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í

Redirects As you can see, I changed the redirect [[Bahá'í]] to [[Bahá'í Faith|Bahá'í]]. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeup. Saw it right as you were filling this in....--Smkolins (talk) 03:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in South Africa

Updated DYK query On 30 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in South Africa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 11:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in Cameroon

Updated DYK query On 4 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in Cameroon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bobet 13:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't tag it

71.117.39.195 (talk · contribs) tagged the article originally, I just fixed the malformed prod tag. I have no opinion on the article's quality.--Closedmouth (talk) 05:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

If you disagree with the article's deletion, just remove the prod tag, that's how prod works. Check out WP:PROD.--Closedmouth (talk) 03:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Bahá'í Faith in Denmark

Updated DYK query On 10 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in Denmark, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BencherliteTalk 10:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in Denmark

Hello. Please see my edits to Bahá'í Faith in Denmark. You shouldn't capitalize an initial letter merely because it's in a section heading. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style on headings. Michael Hardy (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Scottkolins.png

hi did you take this pic?Genisock2 (talk) 13:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Why do you ask? I thought that was the point of the copyright submission. Is there a problem?--Smkolins (talk) 00:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Bahá'í Faith in Kenya

Updated DYK query On 12 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in Kenya, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bobet 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

School vandal

At this point, they have had more than enough warnings. You should, if you have not already, report them to AiV. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 15:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry... AiV is :Administrator intervention against vandalism, which is where you go to report someone who has received the requisite number of warnings and yet continues to vandalize. It is self-explanatory, but if you need any help, just ask me. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 22:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination

Hi. I've nominated Bahá'í Faith in Niger, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part ofWikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on May 5, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 00:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in Niger

Updated DYK query On 10 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in Niger, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 08:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Faith in the Bahá'í Faith

An article that you have been involved in editing, Faith in the Bahá'í Faith, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments atWikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faith in the Bahá'í Faith. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Ecoleetage (talk) 01:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Move

I've gone ahead and moved the page, you should now fix all the redirects. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 20:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Institution names

Allah-u-Abha! According to the manual of style the names of specific institutions should be capitalized but the names of generic ones should not (example: Stanford University vs. a university) so I think "assembly" or "spiritual assembly" might be lowercase, but "National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United States" would be capitalized. That's merely my interpretation. It's a lovely day today, I hope you're doing well where you are. Peter Deer (talk) 21:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. Well insofar as that is concerned specifically a Baha'i house of worship would be a Mashriqu'l-Adhkár in Arabic, but I'm not sure in that regard as the Manual of Style doesn't cover whether things like Church, Mosque, Synagogue etc. should be capitalized or not (so far as I can see). Perhaps asking for that specification in the talk page of the MOS is in order? Peter Deer (talk) 22:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK Nomination

Hi. I've nominated Bahá'í Faith in the United Arab Emirates, an article you created, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on June 8, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks. Thingg⊕⊗ 03:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

hehheh. I just saw all your DYK contribs above. If you want to remove the "nom by thingg" from the nom, please feel free. I'm not trying to steal your thunder or anything... Thingg⊕⊗ 03:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Not at all. Glad to have the work affirmed.--Smkolins (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 12 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in the United Arab Emirates, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 18:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Cook Islander Bahá'ís

Category:Cook Islander Bahá'ís, which you created, has been nominated fordeletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Bahá'í Faith

Thanks For right now, I'm going to wait and see if there is any more activity or signing up for the Project. If you want to add comments to tagged articles, that would probably be handy. Within the next week or so, I'm going to try to get things going. If you have any ideas, please post them on the talk there and be bold editing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Quality and WikiProjects You're right; there are several well-written articles on the topic on Wikipedia that need updating and cultivation rather than large-scale work. It's pleasantly surprising, actually. As for multiple WikiProjects, a page can certainly "belong" to several at once. There is a code for a banner shell that contains other WikiProject banners on talk pages. See Talk:War, for instance.—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in Panama

Updated DYK query On 8 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in Panama, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bahá'í Faith in New Caledonia

Hi. I've nominated Bahá'í Faith in New Caledonia, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part ofWikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on July 28, where you can improve it if you see fit. –Black Falcon (Talk) 15:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in New Caledonia

Updated DYK query On 3 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleBahá'í Faith in New Caledonia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 14:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Unreferenced paragrpah

There is a whole paragraph in the "Further developments and problems" section regarding the trian in 1961 that is unreferenced. Could you reference that section. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 16:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Got it! :-)Smkolins (talk) 19:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Baha'i Faith in LatAm

Thanks for your message on my talk page which I have replied to there. Please let me know what you think. AndrewRT(Talk) 17:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Russell Brand

I have reverted your addition to this article, because it appears to be more about Bahai than it is about Russell Brand, per WP:UNDUE. You might want to recast any other additions you make to similar articles to reflect it importance relative to the subject of the article. Thanks. --Rodhullandemu 22:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Googoosh signatory

I am a little concerned that Googoosh did not actually sign the petition, as there is no corresponding (and confirming) press release denoting that action. Anyone could sign that petition, and petitions are notoriously unreliable.
I am coming here to your talk page because it would appear that you have added this material to at least one other article (1), and I think it opens the wiki up to a number of reliability issues. Could you self-revert in these other articles until confirming citation can be found? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Isabella Grinevskaya

Updated DYK query On March 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated witha fact from the article Isabella Grinevskaya, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 18:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

sorry...

... for my english. I'm using english, french and spanish wikies to edit same bahai voices into the italian. You can see themhere & here. Its a long way, but.... :):) Ciao, Giorces —Preceding unsigned comment added by Giorces (talk •contribs) 16:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Bahai articles

Sorry, the issues of Bahai faith are beyond my sphere of interest. You'd rather ask a person interested in religious issues. --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 16:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Good idea

Don't worry I speak english, and yes may be a good idea the translation although honestly the Bahai Faith is not one of my fieds of expertice. But i may find someone more prepare about the subject to hlp in that regard.

Spock —Precedingunsigned comment added by 196.40.49.233 (talk) 21:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Bahá'í Faith by continent

I see that you created this category and later blanked the page. A faster way to delete a category you've created yourself is to place {{db-author}} on the page. This tag attracts the attention of an administrator who can perform the deletion for you. Contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

IN truth I'm not sure what to do about the cat - I put up a note on the discussion area of a related cat. Smkolins (talk) 15:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Kazakhztan addition

Agreed. I'm not an expert in the field so I was hoping with more knowledge would take it upon themselves to edit out what was unneccessary--Orestek (talk) 18:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Bahiyyih Khánum

You may want to merge the content you've been developing into Bahiyyih Khánum which has been created by another user. Regards, --Jeff3000 (talk) 19:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Interesting! Smkolins (talk) 21:43, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Bahiyyih Page

yes i think that looks brilliant, i attempted to make a start and if i find anymore relevant information ill add it on to the article. i think that you should defenantly merge the article thanks --Lizzie1988 (talk) 12:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

thats ok i think we do need to just address a few of the points, very minor ones. thank you for complimenting me on my language very much. i hope this article will be a good one soon. thanks --Lizzie1988 (talk) 14:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thats good, good luck with that im sure youll do a great job. when talking about the countries, do you suppose one writes about the history of the establishent of the faith in that paticulair country? or just the statistics of the Bahais in that country? yours,--Lizzie1988 (talk) 17:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi yeah it looks really good, ill just add a few very minor edits. I am also quit dubious about the name Fátimih-Sultán as I have never heard this before, it is also not in her biography by Khan or any Persian texts which I have looked at. She was named Bahá'íyyih, it was a name no one had heard of before kind of made up by Navvab and Baha'u'llah. It comes from the word Bahá. Intrestingly she always signed as Bahaiyyih in her private letters. Thanks alot the article looks brilliant --Lizzie1988 (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello, thats very intresting. The Greatest Holy Leaf was twenty-two when she entered the Prison City. At the time 22 would have been very late for a woman not to have been married easpeacily in Persia. Marriagable age was around 15-18 (albeit girls married as young as nine), so prehaps around that age when people were expecting her to marry she renounced the idea of marriage. Prehaps the source is not talking about that specific time when she renounced the idea just stating it as a fact? --Lizzie1988 (talk) 10:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you thats very honoroble of you I will do that Ive copied into until the Akka section and you do the rest. Thanks for the help--Lizzie1988 (talk) 00:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Bahai in Italy

Ciao Smkolins, I pubished Bahai in Italy. It is not a large voice, but i had not many references. I cannot translate it as my english ( from italian to english; it is easier for me from english to italian) is very poor. If you think that it worths to be published in enwiki and you cannot translate in english I could try to translate it in my sandbox, just to give you its meaning, and then you could transalate in good english. I am continuing in translating bahai voices in italian. Ciao, Giorces --giorces (talk) 11:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

New Templates

Maybe it's time to create a new page, just containing lists of stats in the same way as other countries. Regards, --Jeff3000 (talk) 22:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Edits to Bahá'í Faith

Hello! I notice you reverted my recent contributions to the Bahá'í Faith article. I believe that my contribution was new material that was not addressed at all in the section (Laws) that you referenced--nor is the material covered on the page Bahá'í laws. Both the section and that page simply mention that homosexuality or homosexual sex is prohibited...they do not explore the issue of viewing sexual orientation as a "disorder" that is to be "cured"...and the relationship of this to the findings of science and the Bahá'í teachings on the role of science in their religion. I'm certainly open to discussion here and in particular, having the material moved around--I'm not 100% sure of the best place for it myself. But I do not believe that the material duplicates anything currently in the articles. Cazort(talk) 22:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your approach - but I think, at best, the material, if it is as you say is new material, belongs on the page dedicated to the topic. The main article has periodically had material added to it until it was very ungainly and thus all the subject pages. Most of the editors watching the page periodically have to shuffle material around along these line. If you are amendable then, I'd say integrate your additions in Homosexuality and the Bahá'í Faith. Smkolins (talk) 22:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith by country

I had put the category back in Bahá'í Faith by country, because I am under the impression that all articles should be categorized somewhere. See also Help:Category. Am I wrong here? You put the category in the "See also" section, which is fine according to me, as it is a helpful link, but it does not categorize the article itself...

Your User:Smkolins/Sandbox3 looks great. Did you check Cameron, G. (1996). A Basic Bahá'í Chronology. Oxford, UK: George Ronald. ISBN 0853984022. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: checksum (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) Wiki-uk (talk) 11:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Please note the Bahá'í statistics doesn't have a specific category either. What about putting both articles in a category called Bahá'í statistics, which may have a sub-category Bahá'í Faith by country. Of course it is not only about statistics, it's about history as well.Wiki-uk (talk) 04:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Please put the question on the relevant talk page then. Wiki-uk (talk) 14:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Models of migration to the New World

thank you for fixing up the article Models of migration to the New World i just updated. Buzzzsherman (talk) 16:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Yeah sure why not it seems good enough. Thanks for the link btw was very intresting --Lizzie1988 (talk) 18:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've just started a small bit of Juliet Thompson, do you think we should try to expand it? --Lizzie1988 (talk) 20:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Bahá'u'lláh cat.s

Hello I honestly don't know and it's not like the two are mutually exclusive. As far as I'm aware, the "Person from X" categories are basically as broad as possible. If you need to respond, please do so on my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I open my watchlist and see "Smkolins Smkolins Smkolins" everywhere...

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
For diligence, hard work, and dedication in improving articles on the Baha'i Faith, particularly in individual countries, and in relation to other world religions, you have earned this barnstar. Thank you for your tireless efforts! Awarded by: Peter Deer (talk) 18:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith in Vietnam

Let me know if I can help you at all with this one, seeing as I now have a long-term vested interest in Vietnam :)--dragfyre (talk 16:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Asiyih Khanum

Can you revert the anonymous's additions to the Asiyih Khanum page, they make no sense. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 03:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Need some more reverts here. Can you keep a watch on the article. Thanks -- Jeff3000 (talk) 14:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


If you think two Khanums are confusing, than someone should put a link on the paragraf about Khanum under Khan. I do not know how to do it, but sometimes when you click on a wikilink it takes you to a certain paragraf on a page, not to the top of the page... Do you know what I mean? Than it wouldn't be confusing because there will be only one Khanum on Wikipeadi. How about that? Is this constructive enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by198.135.242.14 (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I do know how to do that but it's an insufficient fix for what you appear to be trying to do. But keep on spinning for constructive approaches. My suggestion is take the Khánum article content to your sandbox, make it better and then repost attracting comments from editors of the Khan page as well as others and they or you fix the confusing mess of articles and redirects *then* it may be appropriate to link to articles that use the word.Smkolins (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
BTW the term is used in about 500 places in Wikipedia so getting it right would help because if you did to all of them what you did to one ... well let's not go there.Smkolins (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


Actually it would be a sufficcient fix for what I wanted to do! I do not think your friends are honest. Even if I made a huge article about Khanum that explains everything with scienfic references, they will find another excuse to cancel it. I told you, all I want is to fix the wrong impression given on that page. Your friend blamed me for being vandal and uncostructive... But in fact they are not constructive either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by198.135.242.14 (talk) 16:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


So... How about a interwiki link for wiktionary page from Khanum? This is the link:http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%85#Ottoman_Turkish

It will be just a wikilink. No changes in the phrase... I didn't make that wiktionary link. I found it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.135.242.14(talk) 17:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Whether you made the page or not isn't the issue. The problem with that page is it says too little. For it to be relevant to the article I'd say it would discuss the meaning of the term as used in Persia before the turn of the century or so. Otherwise it's a distraction at best. However you should work at making a good article for the term if it interests you. Thus the idea of a Wikipedia:Sandbox - after you register. Smkolins (talk) 18:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

The page is just a dictionary, of course it's going to be brief. It doesn't speak about it a lot but provides the necesssary explanation. Whoever put that reference after Khanum, apparently meant to give the meaning... Then here is the dictionary, telling you that is means: `miss` in Persian. After giving the wiktionary link, there is no need to put the reference actually, but I didn't delete it. If giving the dictionary link is irrelevant then giving the reference (which gives me meaning) is irrelevant too; because they both provide the meaning. However the wiktionary provides a better meaning. —Precedingunsigned comment added by 198.135.242.14 (talk) 18:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC) It's not meaning that is irrelevant (!) - it's meaning out of context. The point is that she had this as part of her name, as people referred to her, and I'm darned certain they didn't mean "miss" by it. So what was the meaning out of 19th century Persia? Modern usage is immaterial to the article as is ancient usage. Smkolins (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I am not sure if you know enough about the word khanum. It means miss, madam. lady. In those years there was no surname in Middle East. Everyone can me Khanum. It is not a name. However when you translate the text, it looks like a name. Same with Shoghi Effendi. Do you think Effendi is a name? No, it is given to none muslims under Turkic rule. So it sticks on you. Therefore, although it looks like a part of the name, it is actually just a common title. Anyway, i added some explanation of the wiktionary entry regarding the `madam` meaning. What do you think about Madame Bovary? It looks like a name if you do not know what madame is, yet it is Mrs. Bovary. Khanum is like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by198.135.242.14 (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm quite aware there were no last names then and people picked up last names by a variety of means. Many just added what city they were from. In this case Asiyyih never had to travel after arriving in Akka so she never needed a last name in her lifetime. In several of these cases the honorific title serves more than one purpose. Shoghi Effendi is however Rabbanni, however in personal correspondence as well as almost everything he went by Shoghi Effendi, and so it is treated as a name because he treated it that way and so did everyone else. I understand what you are saying about the word Khanum but I do question your usage of in per 19th century Persia. It may be true that on occasion a woman could be called Khanum but several people were called consistently Khanum and it wasn't just an honorific. Good luck getting things in order for constructive work here.Smkolins (talk) 20:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Propaganda

Wikipedia should be neutral encyclopedia, but you act like it's Bahai bulletin. According your propaganda, at article "Religion in Iran" people should read about "persecutions of Bahai" (based on American sources), but they shouldn't read about hundreds of Christian churches and largest Jewish community in Asia and Muslim World? As a European Roman Catholic who visited Iran, I just can tell you that you're nothing more then a racist and low life, and now I realize why Bahai garbage like you don't have the same rights in Iran like other religions.--93.142.140.189 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC).

That information is already in the article - I even included your ref I think. But the systematic treatment of over 300,000 people by government policy let alone social estrangement such as you demonstrate is sufficient reason to make it high priority in an article. Look around - there are millions of people who have joined the religion in most of the countries of the planet. Persia is not getting the benefit of it's Baha'i population because of what you are exemplifying. ANd I was the one that has been expanding the Christian and Moslem sections if you'll check the history. I'm interested in a good article - if you are going to bother to read this. Smkolins (talk) 11:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Good job on Religion in Iran

Just wanted to say that you did a very good on Religion in Iran. I did, however, made some minor corrections to your edits for the sake of accuracy, as some of the information was simply inaccurate, either poorly-sourced or not sourced at all. AlexanderPar(talk) 16:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Mostly I pulled it together from the various articles which also largely lacked refs. I'll keep my toes in as long as I can contribute. One thing I'd found pretty lacking si the transition from the period of the Imams to the religious leadership among the Shi'a and how that was expressed in Iran. I've read some of the years but since it was so particular it needed real refs and I couldn't find anything in my rummaging around.... Smkolins (talk) 16:44, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Hmm seems you changed some things that were carefully sourced. Most of the content not so sourced was the succession of dynasties and such. I reverted the parts that were carefully sourced. If you want to discuss those parts and find more sources to untangle any difficulties that's the way those parts should be handled. Smkolins (talk) 16:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
and btw the changes in the lead were partly dealing with persistent changes by anonymous edits often more destructive than constructive. I figured if I could find a middle ground and treat their entries with respect, and where I could find more refs, then their changes could be incorporated. These weren't sudden changes and things have been going on for some weeks. I just stepped in because it needed some kind of intervention to sort things out. I do have interests in the article and some issues require great clarity to be sound but I saw there were large lacks so I worked at the strength of the article in general as well as some particulars. But I don't especially mind the lead. My only part was to clarify the minority religions in a more particular order leveraging larger minorities first. Smkolins (talk) 16:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Smkolins, Armenians in Iran are not subject to Islamic laws in their own schools, clubs or community in general. They are allowed to make and sell alcohol, and they do not wear Hijab in their own schools, and they study in Armenian at their schools. You;re wrong on this.AlexanderPar (talk) 17:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not me saying it. Check the source - url takes you right to the comments. Smkolins (talk) 17:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, the source is outdated and wrong, just like the other source saying there are 600 churches . Rule of the thumb is that exceptional claims require exceptional sources, You can read the comments by Armenians in Iran here, and ask them about this very issue if you want.[1] AlexanderPar (talk) 17:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
At best that only means things may have changed. The source is solid - university press, academic work. If wikipedia depends on source then it depends on sources and you don't just revert things because you disagree. As for your source it seems at best unworkable as a valid source. Smkolins (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
What year is this source from? Can you quote me what it says in its entirety? Also, is this a religious-affiliated source? It's probably an outdated source. As for the evangelical issue, I added that for clarification. If you're a protestant Christian in Iran, born a protestant (there are a few thousand of those who migrated from Europe to Iran during WW2), the authorities don't care about you, and won't go after you. They're obsessed with the Muslims who convert , all of whom happen to be protestant evangelicals. The law itself protects protestants, just like Catholics and Orthodoxs. AlexanderPar (talk) 17:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Would you just follow the link and read for your self? This is getting kind of bothersome. It's 2000, academic, not religious, university based and as I've said repeatedly the url takes you directly to the quotes. The only "interpretation" i added was "Islamic dress code" means Hijab for girls women. And I seem to recall later in the same source it actually says hijab. Stop arguing with me and doing the article disservice and READ the source. And I tried to compromise and included your "source". As for the 600 churches I didn't bring it up - I questioned it and found many links against it. Smkolins (talk) 17:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

First of all, If you re-introduce the questionable material again, you will have broken WP:3RR. I am letting you know, just in case. Secondly, please read WP:REDFLAG. Lastly, I read the source in question, it's talking about an unresolved conflict between Armenian church and the state 25 years ago. So your interpretation of the source, to mean that Armenian is not thought in Armenian schools in Iran and Armenians girls wear Hijab in Armenian schools in Iran, violates WP:SYNTH. To make such a claim, you need a reliable source that makes such assertions about the current status of Armenian in Iran. AlexanderPar (talk) 17:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
No it doesn't. I noted these events happened in 1983 - I didn't have any more current info. I didn't claim this was true today. And you took out the only ref anyone's presented it's not true today that you yourself posted on my talk page. Most of the article in most sections covers history just like I contributed to this section of the article though I tried to amend it with your angle that this wasn't true any more. However I've checked your link and it's basically youtube and as such worthless. Sorry I put it in the article. But I'm done for now. But not forgotten. Smkolins (talk) 18:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

`Abdu'l-Baha

Hiya, ive just done a sandbox of the article about his life before 1892 etc. It's just the start but u can look at it and edit it, add more stuff etc. and get anyone else to add some more stuff really. Its on my userpage. Thank you --Lizzie1988 (talk) 20:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi - I'll try to take a look at it tomorrow. I'm stacked with things to do tonight and still work several of the upcoming days.Smkolins (talk) 01:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Made some comments - User talk:Lizzie1988/Sandbox just starting... Smkolins (talk) 23:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks for the ideas and stuff, they really are useful I didn't realise how much information it lacked. Please go forth and incorporate your ideas into the sandbox, add the points you have made and reword certain things you think should. Cheers, --Lizzie1988(talk) 01:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

January 2010

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Undue weight

Smkolins, be careful in abiding by undue weight. Just because you have stuff referenced, doesn't mean it is notable enough to be in the article. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 02:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)