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Hi Sims. I've started a review of Portugal in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 to see if it matches the GA criteria. My comments and suggestions will be placed here: Talk:Portugal in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008/GA1. You can ask me any questions you like; I'll help out where I can or point you in the right direction if I can't. Regards SilkTork *YES!18:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I have placed the article on hold for 7 days to allow you and the Eurovison Project time to expand and make improvements. Get in touch if you have any queries. Regards SilkTork *YES!15:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Sims, I've opened a reassessment on Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 as I feel there should be greater encyclopedic information (broad coverage) within the article. I don't think it would take much work to bring it up to scratch as all the information is already out there, some of it in place on Wikipedia. But it would be worth people doing the work as the article is used as an example of a "FOO in the Eurovision Song Contest YEAR" Good Article, and it would be worth giving people something reasonably comprehensive and worthwhile to work toward. SilkTork *YES!13:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to a special two month recap edition of the Eurovision Newsletter. From here on out, each monthly edition will be released at the end of the month, and will highlight the month's events.
The backlog of assessments in the project is still ongoing, with a large number of articles not being rated. If you see articles without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it, or read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well.
Remember to source all information you add to pages or else it may be removed and always use an edit summary so other users know why you are adding or removing information.
Welcome to the sixth edition of the WikiProject Eurvision newsletter!
It's been a busy few months for me at school so I am going to need a lot more participation from the WikiProject in organizing this newsletter each month. It's not an easy task. The best way to help would be to submit anything you feel should be on the next newsletter here so that when I want to make it, I have all of the information ready to go. Also, by doing it this way, there is more information that you want to know as opposed to what I felt was important.
National final season is now in full swing and participants and songs are being chosen every week. For the most part, we are doing a great job in keeping all of the pages up to date, but I urge veteran editors to help out the new people as they tend to not know how everything should be done. As always, I am here to help so if anyone needs an opinion or has a question feel free to leave me a message on my talk; I am on Wikipedia everyday and can respond swiftly.
I see you have been doing lots of great referencing for a variety of Eurovision articles, which is very tedious at times, I think this special barnstar suits you well...
Sahsa Son announced at show "Dainu Daina" (Lithuanian national final) that hes song at ESC will be in English. Also it was confirmed at biggest Lithuanian news portals delfi.lt and alfa.lt. So stopped changing info about LT song in ESC 09 article. --Bearas (talk) 13:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Cyrillic
Cyrillic and native spellings should not be included in the ESC table. The national script has nothing to do with Eurovision, since they are not written in their native scripts for Eurovision. Greekboy (talk) 19:58, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - February 2009
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The backlog of assessments in the project is still ongoing, with a large number of articles not being rated. If you see articles without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it, or read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well. With the help of Camaron, Sims2aholic8, and Grk1011 in the past month, the assessment level has passed 50%!
Remember to source all information you add to pages properly or else it may be removed, and always use an edit summary so other users know why you are adding or removing information.
If you are going to make a page for a song in the contest, please make it more than a stub so it does not get deleted.
Eurovision News
Over twenty countries chose their songs or entrants in February for the upcoming 2009 contest. Check out the table of entries to see what's new.
Do you have news for the next issue? Submit it here!
Welcome to the seventh edition of the WikiProject Eurovision newsletter! It has been a busy month full of national finals and homework for school, so I apologize for publishing the newsletter so late.
The deadline for choosing the entries is right around the corner and following its passing, we will have a great opportunity to improve the quality of the articles in our project. There are many song stubs that have been created for the entries this year and I would like to see them expanded into coherent articles. Also, I think we need to take a look back at the "Country in ESC 2009" articles because I have noticed that most of them are out of date and need to be updated.
We need to focus more on quality these days instead of just adding new info wherever it fits. Our goals is not to jam as much info onto a page as we can, but to create an encyclopedia that people can read and learn from. Think about that next time you add something. Maybe take a minute to read the article over and fix any evident spelling, grammar, or flow problems. Everyone needs to do their share to make this a successful project.
The backlog of assessments in the project is still ongoing, with a large number of articles not being rated. If you see articles without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it, or read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well.
Remember to source all information you add to pages properly or else it may be removed, and always use an edit summary so other users know why you are adding or removing information.
If you are going to make a page for a song in the contest, please make it more than a stub so it does not get deleted.
Eurovision News
All of the 2009 entries have been chosen. Check out the table of entries to see which song will represent each country.
Georgia withdrew from this year's contest once again, after concern that the lyrics of "We Don't Wanna Put In" violated Contest rules.
Music videos have been released on the official Eurovision YouTube channel. The United Kingdom and other countries that missed the deadline still released music videos for their songs.
Countries have begun to finalize their songs, with Albania's "Më merr në ëndërr" being translated into English, and other songs being tweaked.
Do you have news for the next issue? Submit it here!
Welcome to the eighth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter! It's been one incredible month with all 42 entrants finalising their songs.
In one weekend we found out the winner of Melodifestivalen 2009, the song the Czech Repbulic had selected and also that the Georgian entry, "We Don't Wanna Put In", had been disqualified!
The running order draw took place on March 16th and Montenegro will open the 2009 contest, just like they did last year, having been drawn 1st in Semi Final 1. Spain got to pick their position for the 2009 final, and they will perform 25th. The UK got a much better draw than last year and will perform 23rd. Other notable draws see that Bosnia and Herzegovina will close the first semi final, Croatia will open semi final two and the Netherlands will close it.
In terms of articles: some "Country in the ESC 2009" pages are still short compared to more detailed articles like the Sweden and Lithuania pages. The "At Eurovision" and "Promo" sections in these articles need to be updated as many have released promo videos, updated their songs and changed elements of their stage productions. The Greece and UK articles are the best representatives of these features.
Arguments have erupted over the language of the Bosnian entry. No official source has been found yet and the 4LYRICS source is questionable due to an on-going argument in the comments section on the "Bistra voda" lyrics page. The overall concensus on the language used in the song is Bosnian so please, no more changes to the language!
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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - April 2009
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IMPORTANT: There is currently a proposal to change the design of some of our projects navigational templates. Please weigh in here. This project wide change needs as many opinions as possible to determine consensus.
Always use an edit summary even when the edit is minor so that other users know why you are adding or removing information; we can't read minds.
With Afkatk's recent tagging spree, there are now over 2,500 articles associated with the project. If you see Eurovision related articles without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it. You can also read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess articles as well.
Eurovision News
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Welcome to the ninth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
We're less than a month away from the Eurovision Song Contest 2009 and now is the time to make sure that all articles are the best that they can be. This is our busiest time and thousands of people will come to Wikipedia and will see our work. We need to show them that Wikipedia is a place to come for facts and a site that they can rely on.
I can't emphasize enough how important it is for members to take part in discussions on talk pages. We have 65 members and usually less than five people step up and comment. Editing Wikipedia means is being part of a community. Take pride in what you do here and make your positions known!
I hope to see you all editing like a storm next month, and don't forget to submit news for the next newsletter here.
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F. Y. R. Macedonia is threatening to withdraw from the 2010 Contest with the reasoning that it has come tenth twice in successive years in the semi final stage, but has failed to proceed to the final in both instances.
More than a dozen countries have already confirmed their participation for the 2010 Contest. The countries confirmed so far can be seen here.
Welcome to the tenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
This month was a very busy month in terms of editing and adding to Eurovision 2009 articles. The 2009 contest is now over but there is still much work to be done.
Some Country in ESC 2009 pages are yet to have their "At Eurovision" sections updated. Some countries need more information than others, e.g. Slovenia's article needs to mention that the song was actually sung in Slovenian and English, and not just English like in the official mp3, etc.
Work has begun on the 2010 contest article already. Please do not add sections to the article about confirmed participants or withdrawn participants unless you have a source!
Hey, I noticed that there is a mistake in some tables you posted/edited in the different Eurovision topics. For example, in the topic: "Netherlands in the Eurovision". Your change to the table "Netherlands has received the the most points from..." resulted in the following: 1. Israel, 2. Belgium, = Ireland, 3. France, 4. Germany, 5. Spain.
It should be: 1. Israel, 2/3 Belgium, = Ireland, 4. France, 5. Germany, 6. Spain. Belgium and Ireland share the 2nd and 3rd place in this table, France stays on the 4th place as they are behind 3 other nations. The bronze colour shouldn't be used in this table as there is no 3rd place. Just as an example: in athletics, 2 runners who finish 2nd with the same time will both receive a silver medal, no bronze medal is handed out in such a case. Kralinger (talk) 13:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
There are now over 2,800 articles associated with the project (100 more than last month) and all are assessed. If you happen to see a Eurovision related article without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it. You can also read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help reassess articles in our project if you see that they have outgrown their current assessment.
Following recent disputes relating to sourcing in Eurovision articles, an RfC has been opened on the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#RfC on reliable sources for Eurovision articles. The dispute particularly focuses on use of ESCToday and Oikotimes as sources in articles. The RfC is suffering from lack of participation; all project members are encouraged to state their opinion.
Project members are reminded that text and images in articles must follow Wikipedia's copyright policies. Text must not be copied out or copied and pasted into articles from websites whose material is not under a Wikipedia compatible free license. Fully copyrighted text includes that from the EBU (Eurovision.tv), ESCToday, and Okiotimes. Images must also not be uploaded onto Wikimedia Commons for use in Eurovision articles unless they are under a free license, this does not include most images on the internet or TV screen shots even if they were taken by the uploader. Copyrighted images may be uploaded onto the English Wikipedia (not Commons) for use in Eurovision articles if a valid claim of fair use can be made, note that the criteria are strict.
Welcome to the eleventh edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
Things are beginning to quiet down now that the 2009 Eurovision Song Contest is behind us, which is the project's busiest time of year. A few of us however still had to slow down during this period, including myself, as May and June also happens to be exam season in multiple parts of the world. There is much still to be done in any case with preparations for the 2010 Song Contest now well under way, and the host city, Oslo, now confirmed.
There are several items that this project needs to debate including choices of sourcing and what contests come under the banner of this project. The first of these items is already being addressed at a new RfC (see left). Further ideas that could be developed include creation of some article guidelines for Eurovision articles. This could start as an advisory essay and then later, if consensus permits, become an official Wikipedia guideline. Examples of these already in existence include Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines and Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines.
On July 18, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Melodifestivalen 2009, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
{{User0|Candlewicke 05:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - July 2009
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The RfC on article sourcing was closed by Moonriddengirl (talk·contribs) as an uninvolved editor. The decisions were for each source:
ESCToday: Reliable
ESCKaz: Semi-reliable
ESCTime: Not reliable
Oikotimes: No consensus
More details on the decision as well as the full RfC can be found on the project talk page. The decisions made in the RfC will likely impact on future drafts of the article guidelines. Please note that further use of Oikotimes and ESCTime is discouraged and existing uses should be replaced with reliable sources. If no other source exists for the information, leave the current source for the time being.
Due to a new naming convention relating to the use of the term "FYR Macedonia", the Republic of Macedonia should be referred to as "Macedonia" in Eurovision articles. Mention of the country's participation in the Contest under the name "FYR Macedonia" should be written in the lead of articles such as Macedonia in the Eurovision Song Contest, though it is not necessary to express this fact in the general Contest articles.
Two months after the 2009 Contest ended, the EBU revealed the full jury and televoting results for each country on its website. The results showed that Norway was the winner of both the jury and the televoting, while many placings would have changed had no jury voting taken place.
Georgia announced its return to the Contest, while the Czech Republic will withdraw from the 2010 Contest.
Welcome to the twelfth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
It has been a very slow couple of months in terms of Eurovision news since the passing of the 2009 Contest, however, it has been a very busy time for guidelines and policies affecting our project. Landmark decisions have been made regarding our use of sources and even how we are to refer to Macedonia. In addition, several of our Good Articles have been delisted as part of a task force charged with maintaining the quality of Wikipedia's Good Articles.
With there being less information to add and therefore less to do for some, we need to focus on the upkeep and quality of our project's articles and getting those inactive members active once again. We can do this by making sure all new guidelines and naming policies are adhered to and by working to move articles up the quality scale. We are a WikiProject and we all work towards a similar goal. Introduce yourself to your fellow members and get active!
Sorry, but it's not quite there yet. Feel free to renominate later. Drop me a line if you have any questions about remaining issues. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 02:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - August 2009
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There has been some discussion on if a monthly newsletter is viable. The current result is not clear, though it appears for the time being months will simply be skipped as necessary when project activity is low.
There has been a heated debate on how to deal with criticism and controversy in Eurovision Song Contest article, with a proposal made to re-organise articles to avoid dedicated "controversy" and "criticism" sections in order to have maximum neutral point of view policy compliance.
The RTL Group has declared that they are seriously considering a return of Luxembourg to the Eurovision Song Contest for 2010.
Azerbaijan's participation in the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest has been put in doubt following controversial actions which are believed to have occurred after the 2009 Contest. Azerbaijan has denied that any questioning of individuals over voting in the contest has occurred.
Welcome to the thirteenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
August 2009 will not be remembered as a good month for WikiProject Eurovision. The number of this newsletter might have something to do with it, other possible explanations include circumstances, time of year, and even just coincidence. In any case we have had no new members and no further GA or FA article promotions.
The demotion of Eurovision Song Contest, probably the most important article on the project, was a historic blow. Reasons for this and other demotions in recent months include an inflation of article standards, article deterioration through inappropriate edits, and possibly inappropriate promotions in some cases.
We should remember however that despite these demotions we still have 2 FAs, 9 GAs, and 41 B-class articles, as well as 2 Featured Lists. This is a big achievement for a project with only 75 members, a small amount compared to other projects. To compare WikiProject Schools has 292 members with no newsletter, and WikiProject Video games has a massive 1,298 members with only a quarterly newsletter.
This project will likely be disadvantaged for a long time to come with limited membership and fluctuating activity during the year, but it will grow out of this blip.
This is the first edition of the WikiProject Eurovision newsletter in a bimonthly format. Following a discussion on the project talk page this may now become the regular format for the newsletter during the months that the project is less active.
A proposal was made to change Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) to discourage the use of numeric dates, primarily YYYY-MM-DD (e.g. 2009-08-12 for 12 August 2009), in footnotes as at present it is only discouraged in the main article body. The proposal now seems unlikely to pass due to large levels of opposition, though it could have had a large impact on this project as the date format YYYY-MM-DD is frequently used in Eurovision for reference publication and access dates. Further discussion can be found on the project talk page.
Eurovision News
31 countries have confirmed their participation in the 2010 Contest. ESCToday has suggested that the Eurovision Song Contest may be entering a crisis due to the possibility of a large drop in the number of participants next year with the ongoing international recession hitting the budgets of many broadcasters in Europe.
Luxembourg and Monaco have both ruled out a return to the Eurovision Song Contest for 2010. A decision by San Marino on if to return or not has not yet been made.
Hungary declared it is pulling out of the Eurovision Song Contest due to the financial difficulties of the national broadcaster Magyar Televízió (MTV).
National selection details for the 2010 Contest are now available for sixteen countries. Despite the contest being over six months away, Bulgaria has already announced that the artist that will represent the country in 2010 will be Miroslav Kostadinov (who is frequently referred to as Miro).
It has been announced that the voting system used for the Eurovision Song Contest semi-finals will change in 2010. The previous system was introduced in 2008 along with the first use of two semi-finals; it involved nine out of ten final places per semi-final being determined exclusively by televote, with the tenth place being determined by juries. This will be replaced by a more balanced 50% jury voting, 50% televoting system.
Javine Hylton was also nominated for GA status but was quickly failed due to a large number of concerns. The nominator, Judo112 (talk·contribs), was later found to be a sock puppet of a previously blocked user.
Welcome to the fourteenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
There have been quite a few updates to the 2010 Contest article since 1 September. Nine countries (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland, Macedonia, Malta, Poland, Serbia, and Slovenia) have confirmed their participation, and the article in general has seen many changes. Sadly, whilst some editors have been working hard to provide reliable sources, others have been less thorough and the article has had to be semi-protected again to prevent further disruption. This is a shame, as ideally anyone should be able to edit; however, the talk page is always available to bring new information to light.
The participating countries' section has also been updated to allow the inclusion of information about the language, artist and song (with an English translation as appropriate), although to date this is very much a work in progress. As news comes in, we look forward to enriching this section in the coming months—backed-up of course with sources!
No new country-specific articles have been written these past two months. If you want to add more detailed information about a country's participation in the 2010 Contest, this is the ideal way to do it, and they are very much appreciated by our readers.
Hello. I want you to stop edit this article, beacuase you are edit it bad. I want you to look for the best article, and stop with placing the "artist" column first. If you look at the other tables so it is first "song", then "authors" and then "artist", etc.. /Hollac16 (talk) 21:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi again. What I mean is the tables that was there before I add the column "semi-finals". In these column it should be song-authours-artist. But in the coulums under "semi-finals" it should be as you added. Sorry for my bad English, but I hope you understand. /Hollac16 (talk) 20:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Dutch song
Hi, is there a source I'm missing which shows the song having brackets around "Shalalie", Eurovision.tv lists the song as "Ik Ben Verliefd, Shalalie" (I Am In Love, Shalalie) with no brackets, thanks. -- [[ axg ⁞⁞ talk ]]13:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - November and December 2009
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Happy Christmas and new year from WikiProject Eurovision.
This is the second edition of the newsletter to be in a bimonthly format. This will probably continue at least up until the next Eurovision Song Contest when the project is more active.
Editors are reminded that some articles covered WikiProject Eurovision are subject to the biographies of living persons policy. This does not just include biography articles such as Alexander Rybak, but any article with material related to living persons. Such information is highly sensitive, and unsourced or poorly sourced material about living persons must be removed immediately. Material which may seen trivial to editors, such as a false claim of participation in a contest, can potentially be highly sensitive to the living persons involved.
Eurovision articles on this project have been repeatedly subject to a form of sneaky vandalism. This involves unregistered users adding false information to articles such as Eurovision Song Contest 2010 (while unprotected). These false claims are then made to look legitimate through the use of "fake references" with false titles and links, example. Cuchufleta (talk·contribs) was blocked indefinitely for creating multiple hoax articles with the same editing technique. Editors are advised to look out for further disruption of this kind, as it seems to be originating from a determined individial or an organised group. More information can be found at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#User:Cuchufleta.
Eurovision News
The EBU released their participants list for the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest on 31 December 2009. 39 countries will take part. Five of these qualify directly to the final, with the 34 remaining countries each competing in one of two semi-finals (seventeen per semi-final).
Five countries have declared they will be withdrawing from the contest in 2010. The Czech Republic are withdrawing due to three semi-final failures and a lack of interest from Czech viewers. Andorra, Hungary, Lithuania, and Montenegro have all declared they are withdrawing for financial reasons.
Georgia is the only country that has declared it will be returning to the contest.
No debuts are planned either with Liechtenstein's only broadcaster 1FLTV having ruled out joining the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) for December 2009. This made a debut by the country for the 2010 Contest no longer possible.
Despite the 2010 Contest being many months away countries are now actively declaring which artists and songs will be representing them at the contest. A table for this can be found at Eurovision Song Contest 2010#Participants. Nearly all of the declared participants now have dedicated entry articles.
Welcome to the fifteenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
Another decade has past for the Eurovision Song Contest. The naughties will probably be remembered as a decade of both success and controversy for the contest.
Televoting reached its peak in the early 2000s. This gave the contest a more democratic edge, but by 2008 it was widely believed to have made Eurovision resemble a political and geographic football match rather than a song contest. The EBU took action in 2009 by reducing televoting to having only a 50% weighting in the results of each contest.
Many new countries have joined the contest in the last decade, bringing the number of participants to a new high. Among this some countries withdrew while others returned, though one of the major missing countries, Italy, did not make a return as was hoped by many.
There was not a shortage of controversy either. Two participants went to war, and the buzz over the planned participation of Kosovo put Eurovision in the middle of a political storm. One also cannot forget that this decade saw the introduction of two spin-off contests - the Junior Eurovision Song Contest and the Eurovision Dance Contest. It is still not fully clear on how these fit into this project, perhaps we will work that out during the tens.
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On 7 February 2010 a draw was held to decide which semi-final of the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest each country will participate in. The draw also decided, for countries qualified straight to the final, which semi-final they will vote in.
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Welcome to the sixteenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
We're in full swing now! Although the Eurovision Song Contest is around 2 months away, this is probably one of the busiest times of the year for the WikiProject, with a whole load of semi-finals, quarter finals, heats as well as national finals to see who the country chooses to represent them at this years Eurovision Song Contest.
We now know which of the 35 countries will vote and perform in which semi-final. With the 'Big Four' and host country, Germany and Spain voting in the first semi-final and France, Norway and the United Kingdom in the second semi-final.
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In your map of the coutries who participated at the Eurovision Song Contest, Moldova is shown in green. Moldova never participated, so it should be yellow instead of green. Can you change it please? Thank you. Wiki Belgium 11:08, 18 June 2010 (CEST)
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Spain's 2010 performance was stage crashed by Jimmy Jump and they were given a second chance to perform their song following the last song of the final.
Germany also became the first country to select its performer for the 2011 Contest, with Lena Meyer-Landrut set to defend her title.
Austria announced it's return to the Contest for 2011, with its last appearance being in 2007 when it placed second to last in the semi-final and did not progress to the final.
In late July, Liechtenstein submitted its application to join the EBU. With EBU membership, Liechtenstein would be able to take part in the Eurovision Song Contest. Managing director Peter Kölbel stated that there were "good chances" for a participation in 2011 if admittance is granted to the organization.
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Welcome to the seventeenth edition of the WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter!
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Hello to you. I have had to revert you for your restoration on ESC 2011 of the Bulgarian translation. The word inat has several similarly related meanings and to impart precisely your point, one needs to examine the context. Na meaning "on" or "in" renders the following word a noun and the best translation is "out of spite". I realise English is your native language so you may have difficulty reading Cyrillic, but a good source is [1]. Thanks. Evlekis (Евлекис) 18:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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In this edit, you replaced my version of the Finals voting table with your own in a completely different arrangement. Other than the fact that consensus agreed on removing the endashes, which I can understand, please explain why you replaced my entire table - which was 100% accurate, I did it twice and it took me over four hours watching the video while copying down the numbers - with a version that was later reported in the talk pages to have errors in it. I am having a hard time accepting this edit. CycloneGU (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi. The reason I made the change in the Eurovision scoreboard was to order the table firstly by running order in the final, then by running order in each semi-final, which has been used in all Eurovision voting tables since semi-finals were introduced. I apologise for any errors I made in it, but I also spent considerable time creating the table in my sandbox. I'm sorry for any inconvenience caused. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 23:16, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I understand that is what you copied from. However, I made my version to account for the voting order in the finals. For instance, Russia presented its votes first. For obvious reasons, this is easier to follow particularly for someone choosing to view the broadcast at a later date (in fact, the 2010 edition is still available, I noticed it watching the 2011 replay). Also, because it uses the running order for presentation of votes, it seems more accurate. For the semifinals, we don't get to see the presentation, so there is no set rule, and we can put them next to each other thus; however, with the finals, the broadcast has a voting order, and that is what I followed. It makes more logical sense to me regardless of whatever something else says. I believe we have a choice for how to arrange our own tables.
Also, I copied your comment here. Per the notice on my talkpage, please keep discussion centered in one location. CycloneGU (talk) 23:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion I believe there should be consistency between each year's contest, and that's why i rearranged the table into the previous order. The running order for the voting is situated on the page, so I only did what I felt was correct. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 23:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
If consistency is the concern, I'd happily redo every single table we have for every single year for the final. Might take me a while, but I'd do it. I just believe presenting by vote presentation order in the final is a much better method of doing it, and if I have to volunteer to fix every year's table that way to achieve that, I'd do it. I do not know if your version of the table still has errors, but I've removed all the endashes from my table here, which was my own sandbox page for working on the table. All that would need to be done is colouring the X tiles (I think leaving the X is a good idea personally, but the colour helps) and it's done in a final version. CycloneGU (talk) 23:35, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I have no issue with how the table is ordered, I was just following what was done before. If you like we can ask for a more general consensus on what way to order it at the Eurovision WikiProject, which I do not believe you are a member of so you may not know about. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 23:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
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Just a quick note to see if Andorra should now be changed to grey on the file JESC participation map? Now that Andorra have quit the EBU, they are no longer eligible to enter JESC, and therefore shouldn't really be coloured in yellow, which depicts a nation who had never entered but is eligible to do so. Wesley Mouse (talk) 15:55, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Sims, I thought that Poland wasn't going to be included as fully withdrawn yet (see ongoing discussion at Talk:Eurovision_Song_Contest_2012#Polish_withdrawal). There are too many conflicting articles going around the web, that there is nothing solid enough to state a full withdrawal of Poland in 2012. Apparently, TVP announced a withdrawal on Facebook - yet that piece of information isn't to be found on Facebook whatsoever. Then Oikotimes report (citing themselves as the original source) that TVP have exclusively told them that Poland are withdrawing - strangely, ESCToday also report (again they cite themselves as original source) that THEY were told exclusively by TVP, about the withdrawal. However, there is nothing on TVP's official website about this "official announcement" of a withdrawal, nor have the EBU reported this news - which we all know they are pretty quick at confirming details. Therefore, is it wise to include details of a Polish withdrawal when there are no solid sources to confirm it? Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:39, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
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