This is an archive of past discussions with User:Sims2aholic8. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.
Just to let you know I have created Template:inescm to deal with the problem, and until I find the correct way to incorporate this into Template:inesc.
Examples:
{{inescm}} > {{country data {{{1}}}
| flag link/core
| variant =
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| name =
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| altlink = in the Eurovision Song Contest
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Please do not edit-war over this article. There is a talk page for discussion purposes. I have just written an explanation there for you to read, which others may do so too. EuroSongtalk10:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
templates
fyi, the "country in eurovision" template adds every article that has the template to the category "country in the eurovision song contest" automatically so you dont need to add it yourself. Also, you dont need to pipe the link with the |2000 for example because they will be in order anyway. Grk1011 (talk) 16:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
We recently decided that if a country did not make it to the final, than we would leave that spot in the infobox blank as opposed to "N/A", ok? Grk1011 (talk) 17:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
categories
If a singer is in say "Greek eurovision song contest entrants" they should NOT be in "eurovision song contest entrants" also since the greek one is a subcategory of the other. Then the page will be in the same category twice. It's ok to respond. :) Grk1011 (talk) 16:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I looked back at the category and we try to avoid a page being double categoried (page in the main cat and a sub cat). But looking back at the entrants, i think i like that better. The "country in eurovision song contest" AUTOMATICALLY adds the cat "Country in the eurovision song contest" and in my opinion, piping the year so it sorts by year doesnt look as good. And sorry, but you kept going! lol. Grk1011 (talk) 16:45, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
No, you're doing a great job, just take what i said into consideration. Do you have msn messenger or aim? Grk1011 (talk) 16:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
You need to stop removing maintenance tags (unreferenced, citations needed, wikify) unless you are addressing them. Example: [1] I didn't see any references added... Grk1011 (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Yea, that's fine. My problem is that I don't want to see pages with just a link to the final's instead of actually describing it. There should be a few paragraphs taken from the contest's page, but maybe the semi-final charts and such can stay there and just say so and so won the semi and went on to the final with a table of only the finalists in the national final section. They should be like Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 which was nominated for GA status. As far as I know, that is our best example. Grk1011 (talk) 22:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
There is a discussion under way on what this project should include. Currently, the main topic is only the Eurovision Song Contest. Some believe that both the Junior Contest and Dance Contest should be included. Tell us your thoughts at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Project Scope.
There is currently a backlog of assessments; the project's assessment rate stands at 35.1%. Please add {{EurovisionNotice}} to the talk pages of all Eurovision related articles if it is missing and read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well.
The project main page is the in middle of a major revamping. To get a sneak peak of the work in progress, see the draft.
In the coming days/weeks, instructions for the use of all Eurovision templates and descriptions for the layouts of pages will be up and running. As of now, a few templates are already complete: see {{ESC National Year}} and {{Infobox ESC entry}}.
Remember to source all information you add to pages or else it may be removed. ESCToday and Oikotimes are great places to find information.
Member News
The project currently has 35 members, 16 of which are considered active. This means that 19 of our project's members have not edited a Eurovision article in the last two months.
We now have a project invitation. Place our invitation template on the talk page of anyone you would like to invite to our project.
Member Thank Yous
The Project says thank you to the following editors for doing an excellent job within the project during the past weeks. (alphabetical order)
Welcome to the first issue of the WikiProject Eurovision newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do.
About two weeks ago, I was bold and decided that our entire WikiProject needed to be reorganized. I am seeking to put into effect new guidelines on page layouts, templates, and basically to make all related articles consistent. Part of this reorganization included improving our assessment department since one didn't really exist before and completely reformatting the main page.
Also, it is my opinion that the project be renamed "WikiProject Eurovision Song Contest" and that the Junior Eurovision Song Contest be officially included. I believe that the Eurovision Dance Contest should be separate since it shares nothing in common aside from the EBU.
We also need to work on bringing new members into this project; especially during these months when not much is going on in the Eurovision world. If you would like to invite someone to join the WikiProject, our invitation template on their talk page. Now is when we need to get our project's pages up to par for next year's contest and make everything as accurate and in depth as possible. Let me know if you have any comments or suggestions for the project on either my talk or the project's.
Hey, if you ever see a song like "Reflection (Eurovision song)" use the move tag to move it to song name (song) or if that is taken song name (artist song). Eurovision should never be there. Grk1011 (talk) 13:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Award
I didn't even realize that you already got one today lol. I logged on to check my watchlist and was overwhelmed :) Grk1011 (talk) 01:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Lol, its 10:15 pm here, its just strange for me to be editing with someone else besides greekboy since most eurovision editors live in europe and are fast asleep. Grk1011 (talk) 02:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Yugoslavia
A user reverted my redirect of the pages, don't do anything drastic to the yugoslavia page. I asked for a second opinion by administrators. Grk1011 (talk) 17:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
wow, you are quick, i was just about to do that lol. You were probably watching me and Imbris go back and forth accomplishing nothing haha. Grk1011 (talk) 23:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that Sims2aholic8 has not read the debate and the contradiction in terms of all of the sources that Greekboy and Grk1011 (who think like they ought to be a one person).
"Yugoslavia was formally dissolved in 1992 (de facto dissolved in 1991 with no leaders representing it). The country comprised the area of the present-day independent states of Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, F.Y.R. Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia."
list of alleged appearances of SFRY look at the title of that table: Participants list and All participants from Socijalistička Federativna Republika Jugoslavija.
That appearance in 1992 under the name Yugoslavia was not for the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia but for the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro). Why do you think Serbia and Montenegro first appeared in 2004? Because they were under United Nations and European Union sanctions. That appearance in 1992 was under the plain flag of navy blue, white, bright red flag of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. IT was most certainly not under the flag of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia which has the same flag colors but with the red five pointed star in the middle.
This should end, but not with the result that Greekboy and Grk1011 want.
Can we just wait until they actually join. There's not point in speculating that they can. It says that they can in the unsuccessful attempts section (the former redirect). Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I just fixed the section for that in ESC 1993, but I don't think that the national selection for Estonia matters there, you know? It would only be relevant in the Estonia article. I'll think about it some more. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 00:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Dansk Melodi Grand Prix
Good job on the history, though a lot of that should be on Denmark in the Eurovision Song Contest instead. You also need to add sources and keep in mind that Denmark is not plural: "Denmark was" not "Denmark were". If you don't know the formatting for the refs I can put them in for you, I'll also do some research when I get home from work. (respond here from now on to all my questions/comments) Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
You really don't have windows live or aim? It would be so much easier if we could all talk to you rather than post here all the time. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 20:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I prefer the new one you've made. However, I don't really like the colour. I like the colour that's on the country infobox, the light blue. I keep forgetting to get Windows Live, but I'll get it now. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Just to let you know, the |first and |last field in the source ref is also right as is the |author field. So there was no real need to fix it like you did at [3]. :p BTW, this is a great ref tool that I use. reftool It is available under "my preferences" and then "gadgets". Greekboy (talk) 18:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
More people need to reply to questions on talk pages. Other users need our help!
There is still a discussion under way on what this project should include. Currently, consensus is forming that the project should include the Eurovision Song Contest and the Junior Eurovision Song Contest, but not the Eurovision Dance Contest. Tell us your thoughts at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Project Scope.
There is currently a backlog of assessments; the project's assessment rate stands at 36.2%. Please add {{EurovisionNotice}} to the talk pages of all Eurovision related articles if it is missing and read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well.
In the coming days/weeks, instructions for the use of all Eurovision templates and descriptions for the layouts of pages will be up and running. As of now, a few templates are already complete: see {{ESC National Year}} and {{Infobox ESC entry}}.
The project currently has 41 members, 22 of which are considered active. This means that nearly half of our project's members have not edited a Eurovision article in the past two months.
We now have a project invitation. Place our invitation template on the talk page of anyone you would like to invite to our project.
New Members
We would like to welcome the new members who joined in August. (alphabetical order)
Welcome to the second issue of the WikiProject Eurovision newsletter! This newsletter has been quite a success so far and I hope it continues to be so. I hope to rotate as much as possible who writes this "From the Members" section each month so everyone gets a chance to contribute.
The process of fully reorganising this project is still under way. A compromise is being formed to re-name this project WikiProject Eurovision Song Contest, but allow it to include the Junior Eurovision Song Contest as it is similar. The Eurovision Dance Contest will have its own project created simultaneously. I personally agree with this proposal, a final decision has not been made yet however.
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EuroVision song title translations
Thank you for finally providing an explanation as to why the song title translations keep getting removed. JIP | Talk19:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
For the record, new pages that just say that a country has confirmed participation are usually nominated for deletion. We usually try to wait for selection dates and such. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 20:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Not Crazy After All, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.
Did you read the deletion template's reason? Single by artist who failed to qualify for Eurovision Song Contest behind a puppet turkey. hahahahaha. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 12:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
List of top ranking countries
Hi there. I've just reverted your edits as they miss the point of the article. Rather than by number of wins, the list is about overall performance. Ireland has only ranked in the top two 11 times, compared to the UK's 20. Statistically they are the top performing country, with Ireland in 3rd. A table of winners is already available here: Eurovision Song Contest winners#By country. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 13:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and corrected the article again...while she is known by Carola today, she entered the 1983 contest and was billed by her whole name, Carola Häggkvist. It was the other times she appeared at Eurovision that she dropped her last name. Mike H.Fierce!03:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I copy-edited the beginning of the article stopping before the songs. Try to source the descriptions of them, you got them somewhere. Also, I have a better idea for the results, see Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2005. We should have the results written out instead of just showing a results table. You don't need the source for the songwriters in the table if you have them sourced in each song's description. I think that's all so far. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 00:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The backlog of assessments in the project is still ongoing, with a large number of articles not being rated or tagged with the project banner. If you see articles without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it, or read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well. Only 37.7% of articles have been assessed so far.
Instructions for the use of all Eurovision templates and descriptions for the layouts of pages are still in the works. Please note that {{Esc}} has been developed from an {{Inesc}} and is ready for use. Replace any use of the older template with the new one.
Remember to source all information you add to pages or else it may be removed. ESCToday and Oikotimes are great places to find information.
De Toppers were announced as the Dutch entry for the 2009 contest.
Estonia announced its participation in the 2009 contest, despite requests by the Estonian Minister of Culture to withdraw due to the 2008 war in South Ossetia.
Slovakia announced its return to the contest after an 11-year absence.
The Bulgarian national final, "Be A Star", will start October 2 with 45 songs.
Member News
The project currently has 48 members, 22 of which are considered active. This means that 26 of our project's members have not edited a Eurovision article in the past month.
We now have a project invitation. Place our invitation template on the talk page of anyone you would like to invite to our project.
New Members
We would like to welcome the new members who joined in September. (by date joined)
Welcome to the third edition of the WikiProject Eurvision newsletter! This newsletter is surely catching on, and I'm sure that if we continue to rotate the editors' section as much as possible, everyone'll get a chance to contribute and it'll definitely be more diverse.
The project is still in need of re-organising. Nothing has happened in the form of splitting the project between the song and dance contests in over a month, and I feel that we really need to push forward with this. To add your comments just leave a message in the talk page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Project Scope.
Throughout September, a lot of things have happened in relation to the Eurovision Song Contest 2009; the announcement of the return of the jury into the final was the biggest news. However, more news appeared, such as the Dutch representative being announced, as well as more countries announcing their participation at the contest. Before long the national finals around Europe will start, and the countdown will be on to 16 May.
With everything that's been happening, I'd like to encourage everyone to do their best to contribute to all Eurovision-related Wikipedia articles, and welcome our new members to the project.
Is there an article you think we should have? Make a request for it to be made here.
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DYK for San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008
I signed myself up for the ESC Wikiproject ages ago but haven't edited for ages. Infact, I was the head editor of the 2008 page until March this year :)
Hello, I thought you might be interested in gaining rollback access for your account. This feature allows you to rapidly revert vandalism and other highly inappropriate edits in one click, which you might find helpful for Eurovision articles which can be the subject of vandalism. Please let me know here or on my talk page if you want this feature so I can quickly add you. Camaron | Chris(talk)18:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Done, remember just to use it only for edits that are clearly non-productive such as vandalism. Please avoid using it for content disputes or to revert good faith edits. Good luck! Camaron | Chris(talk)20:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Sweden 2008
Please don't change the tables again. We have used these tables from the Swedish Wikipedia for a reason... they have more info and they look much better and clearer. The colours will be changed over the next couple of days probably, but please do not touch the tables! ńăŧħăń-ŧăłķ07:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I have started a Wikipedia:Request for comment on this topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#RfC on ESCKaz reliability. This discussion originates from questions on the reliability of the ESCKaz website and if it should be used in Eurovision articles on Wikipedia. It has now being extended to fully review all sources used in articles covered by WikiProject Eurovision, including ESCToday and Oikotimes. This is a very important issue to the project as sourcing is a key part of articles, and consensus needs to be reached on which sources should be used when, where and how. This discussion however has so far lacked a wide range of editor participation, and as you have listed yourself as a member of WikiProject Eurovision I invite you to add your thoughts. In particular more input is needed from editors which have a high level of experience with relevant guidelines/policies such as Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability, and who have up until now stayed outside this debate, though all contributions are welcome. Thank you. Camaron | Chris(talk)11:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
The backlog of assessments in the project is still ongoing, with a large number of articles not being rated. If you see articles without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it, or read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well.
Instructions for the use of all Eurovision templates and descriptions for the layouts of pages are still in the works.
Remember to source all information you add to pages or else it may be removed and always use an edit summary so other users know why you are adding or removing information.
Eurovision News
Malta announced the names of the songs taking part in its national final.
Hadise will represent Turkey and will have complete control over the selection of her song.
Andorra and Romania announced the format of their national finals.
Bulgaria's Be A Star has gone into full swing with the first monthly selection and its corresponding heats held in October.
The songs of Melodifestivalen 2009 were announced along with the contest's schedule of rounds.
Welcome to the fourth edition of the WikiProject Eurvision newsletter! As the contest gets into full swing, more and more editors will come and edit the project's articles. It is important that we not only make sure that the correct information is added, but try to help the users who added the information if possible. We learn through our mistakes, so leave a reminder on their talk page.
November is unique in that it will have two newsletters going out. This one along with a November supplement that will recap what happened in November. We decided to switch to an end of the month format so say the October Newsletter summarizes what happened in October, which it doesn't in its current first day of the month delivery. By December, the newsletter will come out at the end of every month.
So far I am very happy with how the project is going about four months after its reorganization. We get into arguments here and there, but members' opinions and comments are crucial to the project's existence. They keep us on our toes and help us continue to be a great source of Eurovision history.
Sorry that this issue is a little late, I've been busy ;)
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IMPORTANT: Please give your opinion here about the inclusion of selection processes in Country in the ESC Year pages.
The backlog of assessments in the project is still ongoing, with a large number of articles not being rated. If you see articles without the {{EurovisionNotice}} template on the article's talk page, please add it, or read Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment if you would like to help assess the articles as well.
Instructions for the use of all Eurovision templates and descriptions for the layouts of pages are still in the works.
Remember to source all information you add to pages or else it may be removed and always use an edit summary so other users know why you are adding or removing information.
Three more songs have qualified for the semi-final of Bulgaria's selection process. Three more heats and another quarter-final will be held during December.
Welcome to the fifth edition of the WikiProject Eurvision newsletter!
Just a couple of short months after starting the newsletter and reorganizing the Eurovision project, things are finally starting to look good and consistent for 2009!
As we move into December, and ever closer to the "heart" of the National Final/Selection season, I would like to remind members to take a look at the project description/guideline on the project page and try to follow it the best way possible as the season progresses. Our main goal here is to have all of the articles consistent, while also being able to nominate them for GA status or above once the 2009 contest is over. The best and easiest way to achieve this is if we all work together and follow the guidelines. I would also like to remind users to source all information added into articles, preferably by reliable/established sources. Any questions regarding sources should be asked on the project talk page. Also, there is a large backlog of 1087 Unassessed Eurovision articles that need to be assessed. Any help with assessment will be appreciated and noted.
If we can manage to work together and follow the guidelines, as well as monitoring unregistered IP addresses, I think the 2009 season will go by much easier than past years! Sure we will still get into our little arguments here and there, and have different opinions about editing, but that's part of the whole editing experience. What fun would there be without the occasional drama? Just remember that at the end of the day, we are all working towards a common goal.
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