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Punctuation, HTML character entities

Before you do mass edits of punctuation and other style issues, please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style and its related articles. English style issues are a point of heated contention in Wikipedia's global audience, so we've spent tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of people-hours crafting style policies that can accomodate the conflicting standards that exist not only between countries, but even between school systems and publishers within each country.

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Jeff, thanks for the guidance. It's really the best way to learn these matters in Wikipedia (though less efficient for others). I must admit, however, that my misinformed activities regarding dashes is taken directly from Wikipedia's own style directives. As for comma placement, I am still not clear on what specifically I did that you refer to. Usually I keep the comma outside a quote that would not be a part of language (such as a title). Otherwise, I hardly ever make a correction on this issue because I know there are multiple accepted styles. Feel free to set me straight. Thanks again for your help. SidP 19:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please forgive me for not citing the specific edit that caused me to comment. I normally include the links to make my points clear, but my failure this time, combined with your rapid editing, made it rather challenging to identify the article I had a problem with. I was thinking specifically of your otherwise excellent edit [1] to Firefly (TV series). The particular problems I saw were moving a comma inside a quoted phrase ("Earth that was"), and unnecessarily changing Unicode en-dashes (–) into their equivalent HTML character entities (–).

I also didn't provide specific links to the relevant policies, Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Quotation marks and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes). Taking another look at them, I can see the potential confusion with the dash policy at least, because it currently is somewhat unclear about the use of character entities. On the one hand, it says (in "Dashes and hyphens used on Wikipedia" to "use the HTML entity —, which the MediaWiki engine automatically converts into a numeric entity in the rendered HTML". On the other hand, in the intro section of the article, in bold, it says "Now that Wikipedia uses UTF-8, these can be entered directly into the article markup. To enter an em dash after your cursor, for instance, you can click the "—" link below the edit box". The confusion probably comes from someone adding the bold statement, once Wikipedia switched to UTF-8, without bothering to update the remaining text to reflect this change. (Worse, the first statement is now in error, as the MediaWiki engine now converts – to a UTF-8 character, not a numeric entity.) I've posted a note on the dash-policy talk page to ask that they update it. Again, I apologize for the lack of details. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hello, I was just wiki-surfing and I came across some of your work. I noticed that you have 9,573 edits with 9,381 of those in the mainspace. Have you ever thought of being an admin?--Sallicio^⊕ {\displaystyle \color {Red}\oplus } 05:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, you would just clean up after others messes (e.g, deleting pages that don't fall within standards, maintaining the integrity of the site (providing guidance for newcomers, warnings of uncivil behavior, dealing with users that utilize sockpuppets or meat puppets, and (as a last resort) blocking those users for gross negligence of wiki-policies. It's not a promotion, per se, it just helps keep the site respectable. But be warned that the Request for Adminship (RfA) can be a lot like having people constantly throwing pebbles at you whilst you remain nice with a smile. Check out some of these RfA's. Let me know, and I will nominate you!--Sallicio^⊕ {\displaystyle \color {Red}\oplus } 19:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, whenever you would like "the mop" (as it is called), I will make the nomination! Cheers!--Sallicio^⊕ {\displaystyle \color {Red}\oplus } 20:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pizza Fusion

Thanks, I have no idea why I made it with quotation marks, and I couldn't figure out how to merge them.--Hawkian (talk) 17:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dorothy Sloop

Hi, SidP. Just wanted to thank you for your edits to this page. It was one of the first pages I created, and I think it benefits from the changes you made. Thanks again. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 00:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletion of The J. Peterman Company

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thanks for your input to IEPA

Earlypsychosis (talk) 19:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

my major interest and first article on early psychosis could do with a copy edit !! (see my user page user box re my deficits in spelling and copyediting). Let me know if I can do anything for you - maybe finding sources and referencing for science and health articles. cheers Earlypsychosis (talk) 22:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		outstanding copy editing Earlypsychosis (talk) 04:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines

All of the changes that you made to the page were fine, except for the correction of spelling of REGION. It really is mispelled that way. Go to http://iregister.sec.gov.ph/MainServlet , type in Sigma Alpha Epsilon for the Company Name and click the radio button for starts with the given phrase, and click search. I'm changing it back, and adding [sic]Naraht (talk) 18:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies if my message seemed harsh. My reason for explaining it exactly was not to indicate that you should at this point, but rather to show that I actually had a source, odd as it may be. Frankly, I'm happy that someone with an account more than two dozen edits actually edited the page. Most of those who edit it, don't bother to register and instead either add or pump up their Greek Letter Org. Could you take a look at the pages in the [[Category: Alpha Phi Omega]]?Naraht (talk) 01:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

new page! case management (mental health)

can you look at this please Earlypsychosis (talk) 00:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

this needs extensive copy editing !!

Hearing Voices Movement Earlypsychosis (talk) 01:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clive Revill

I saw that you edited Clive Revill. He is a good actor and worthy of an article in WP. However, since he is an old man, I fear that the notability guidelines may preclude him. I am discussing on the Wikipedia talk:Notability (people) page about possible optional objective criteria. The usual subjective criteria would remain. However, if Clive Revill were ever threatened with deletion, having objective criteria may save him. After all, he is an old man whom young teenagers probably haven't heard of and wouldn't mind killing him off Wikipedia.

People familiar with Clive Revill's work know that he has been in many, many films and in theatre. If there were an optional objective criteria, say, noting that acting in more than 25 films is an optional criteria to establish notability, then Clive Revill would be assured its rightful place in this encyclopedia. What are your thoughts? User F203 (talk) 20:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyeditors barnstar

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		For some excellent copy-editing work! œ^™ 03:57, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barenaked Ladies Desperation Records

on the Barenaked Ladies page where record labels are listed I had added the word "Records" after "Desperation", as the record label is Desperation Records (http://www.last.fm/label/Desperation+Records). Am I missing something? :-) Ttwiv (talk) 05:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure why you're asking me about this, however, I viewed the sentences involved and rewrote them.--SidP (talk) 07:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rufus May new page

if you have time, I could use your copy editing skills on this new page. thanks Earlypsychosis (talk) 09:41, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thank you Earlypsychosis (talk) 04:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Chardon High School shooting

Thank you for your help on Chardon High School shooting. I had some issues with some of you edits, however. First of all it is not appropriate terms such as Chardon Healing Fund to be in bold. It is appropriate for it to be linked in red, like it was, because it set it up to be a future wikilink. It is also appropriate for there to be external links to the churches where they event have been held since article on those churches are unlikely to ever be developed. I cannot automatically reverse these edits, because you did them while I was editing so I am an going to do them manually. That means I have to double my effort. I have put a lot into this article and I respectfully request that you use care with your edits. Thanks a lot.--Ishtar456 (talk) 23:20, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I must disagree. There is no reason to believe that such a fund will ever have its own article. It is specifically derived from the shooting and therefore it is significant within its context. This is why I have given it a minor status as it will not have major status such as a section and certainly not an article. As for the external links, you should reasonably assume that a person can use search engines and the text of the article to find community relations and current community information. Please realize what Wikipedia is, and what Wikipedia is not. As for your concerns about my edits being done while yours are being done, I suggest you make smaller time periods between edits to prevent this problem.--SidP (talk) 23:30, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I really hope we do not have an edit war going on. I was not criticizing you for editing while I was editing, it just happened. I can only work at the speed that I can work at. I would not want to make quick reckless edits. I do not know what how much the integrity of the article means to you, but I have put a lot into it and have nominated it for DYK. Do you think that I am asking a lot to request that you back off? And if you see a glaring violation of wikipedia rules, could you point it out to me rather than plunge in and reverse my hard work? Can you direct me to the rule that says it is okay to bold random names and phrases? Thanks --Ishtar456 (talk) 23:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your lack of regard for others is troubling. Why should you be the sole determiner of how to handle anything in the article? I have never been involved in an "edit war" but clearly you seem to be especially focused on specific subjects whereas I am usually involved in the mere improvement of an article. As it appears we both have special interest in this article, I do not see how we cannot manage to work together. If you look at the work that I've done on the article, it's not trivial nor is it fleeting. Please reconsider your tone and your self-appointed authority.--SidP (talk) 23:44, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I did not mean to take on any tone. I did not mean to be anything but polite. Tone it difficult to gauge in writing. I guess between writing the article and reversing all the IP edits that said people who were not dead were made me feel a little invested. If you do not answer anything else, can you please point me to anything on wikipedia that uses bold print the way you are using it in this artilce? Thanks--Ishtar456 (talk) 23:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

UNT

Thanks for your recent edits on the University of North Texas. I've been sort of planning an attack on that page for a while now, but it was hard to know where to begin. Your edits will be a great help when I finally get around to revamping the article (it needs it, badly). Thanks again, Runfellow (talk) 03:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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article improved as a result.--SidP

Z for Zachariah summary

Hi. Seeing your notice, I shortened the summary quite a bit. Please check it again and remove the notice if it is concise enough, or let me know why it still seems too detailed. Thanks. Seoulseeker (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. I've complied with your wishes in response to your good faith efforts.--SidP (talk) 00:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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If you are interested, I left you a message on my talk page, recommending a look at the biography of Jack Ma. HouseOfChange (talk) 04:18, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Clutch Plague

What is Clutch Plague? There is mention of the term here and here. Wouldn't it be better to have a red link appear in an article with this term so the error could be seen? Leaving it visible as a working link means the nonsense can be retained for a long time. Has there been more discussion? Johnuniq (talk) 10:40, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good question and good point. I believe it is a synonym. To remove it from usage altogether (i.e., changing the wording in the article) would however perpetuate people's ignorance of the existence/meaning of the term. I had never heard of it earlier myself.--17:49, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

It appears the term "clutch plague" is a hoax. There is no such thing. Apparently (see links above and User talk:Ollieinc#Clutch Plague), people can install a joke extension in their browser, and that extension changes certain phrases into nonsense. It is supposed to be (I assume) a personal joke for the person with the extension, but it works in edit windows and changes text that the editor never intended to edit. Johnuniq (talk) 05:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from my talk. Johnuniq (talk) 00:41, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, thanks for notifying me. I still think it's likely we should leave it as a redirect, but maybe not. Maybe if there is a deleted page, the person will discover why it is not an article or redirect by looking at the reason. I appreciate your look at this and your findings (and sharing them with me). I'm just trying to make WP a better resource, as you can probably see if you check most of my edits which have for the last couple years, especially, been formatting, revising and editing references/sources.--SidP (talk) 20:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I had no idea what was going on when I noticed the issue, and still am not certain—for all I know there is some scholarly meaning hidden beneath the joke, making it a double joke. That's why I asked what the term means above. I haven't examined the matter in detail but am becoming more convinced it is just a joke and the term is a hoax. The problem with keeping the redirect is that it suggests the term is real, and it encourages Google to add weight to that view (searching for the term could very easily lead people to think there is a connection to the Great Depression). If an editor with the malware extension edits an article mentioning "Great Depression", that text will be turned into a hoax term, and it would be better if any links were red so the problem could be more easily seen. I know you are doing good work and am not making any suggestion that are doing otherwise—I just want the underlying issue fixed, namely should there be a redirect or not. When I get time I'll try to gather a list of all the hoax terms injected by the browser extension and see what traces of them are at Wikipedia. I think the redirect and any others should be deleted, and I guess I would have to raise that at WP:TFD. I will let you know if I get around to that. Johnuniq (talk) 00:41, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Following on from above, I made an information page (word changer) and nominated the redirect for deletion. Please see RfD. Johnuniq (talk) 06:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good work.--SidP (talk) 16:26, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mitchell Falls

Just wondering if you've ever been there. I have, several times with permission. Not tours, just me and brother and our wives. Doug Weller talk 20:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017 attacks

Please do not keep changing four-wheel drive vehicle for something in American. The website is written in British English, and "four-wheel drive vehicle" is the correct form. - The Bounder (talk) 18:06, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my reply on your talk page. I am unclear if I should be replying on your page and also on my own.--SidP (talk) 18:34, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And please see my comment just added over there, thanks. DBaK (talk) 09:29, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Robert M. Pirsig

Hi SidP. Thanks for your edits at Robert M. Pirsig. I wonder would you consider adding your support for an RD posting at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Adam West

"Survived by" statements are discouraged per this RfC - FlightTime (open channel) 16:54, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. However, I think your best choice instead of merely reverting would be to re-word the statement to include that he had a wife, children, etc.--SidP (talk) 18:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Our Saviour Lutheran High School moved to draftspace

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The same for Kings Mountain High School. Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

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	For your work on Fred the Godson. Bearian (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fred the Godson

I see you took out [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_the_Godson&diff=next&oldid=952999267 a geographical reference that was in the original source. It's a minor thing, and FWIW, I grew up nearby and have pride of place (pardon the pun). Could I put it back in? Bearian (talk) 18:16, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really thinking this is a definitive reference just because it was in this source. If you're inclined to find better references for this claim, something authoritative, then it would be better to have this one as a backup, mostly to indicate that's where he was from and not to establish the claim of musical history. I appreciate your level of responsibility.--SidP (talk) 14:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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