User talk:Shabiha


Barelvi dispute

  • Shabiha, please, calm down. I've worked hard to get Msoamu and MezzoMezzo to be able to collaborate - you're undoing that work by letting yourself get too wound up by the process. MezzoMezzo has marked out every single proposed edit individually, in sections, so if you have issues with it, feel free to discuss it. Ironically, he's the only registered editor in this dispute that HASN'T edited the article since it was unprotected, so he's hardly POV-pushing. Remember, I'm neutral in all of this, and I'm the one trying to evaluate how neutral all the proposed edits are. Lukeno94 (talk) 17:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am waiting and watching the ANI,then I will be there to cooperate. Shabiha (talk) 05:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Sunni Sufis and Salafi Jihadism for deletion

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Due to recent developments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunni Sufis and Salafi Jihadism, I'd like to request that you add another comment. MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am discussing this Article. Shabiha (talk) 05:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of content

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RfC's

I have a number of questions/concerns about the RfCs you opened, that I've now closed. You can see on the pages themselves why the RfCs had no value, because they merely asked, "Should we follow policy", to which every editor is obliged to answer yes; however, that wouldn't tell you anything about how to edit the page. So if you want to actually get help, you'll need to restart those with actual questions.

But before you do that, however, you need to be sure you've at least seriously attempted discussion among involved editors. On Talk:Wahhabi, you started a discussion, and within about an hour, you started the RfC. You need to wait and listen to what other involved editors have to say first.

Third, how did you decide which editors to notify of the RfC discussions? Since the discussions are now closed, there's no lasting harm, but I'd like to make sure that you are at least aware of WP:CANVAS, which places some pretty strict limits on who you can contact. The way you notified editors was correct in that your message was neutral, but since you seemed to have notified a limited number of people, I'm concerned about how you chose those people. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:41, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I requested for RFC to you and to User talk:BoogaLouie#Your_Assistance, actually I understood his replies as advise to open RFC.User:Baboon43 is involved in editing these pages and I selected User:Tanbircdq,محمد افضل :User on the basis of my watchlist,I found them editing Islam related pages.That was my bonafide understanding of RFC.I am aware of canvassing but I understand that it is relevant in garnering/attracting support against user in case of complaints like ANI.I still don't know asking for comment in RFC will meant canvassing.I will try to grasp it by studying more. Shabiha (talk) 08:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A good plan for RfCs is that you never notify any individual editors; instead, notify relevant WikiProjects. If you are going to notify editors, the only really fair way is to look at the history of the article, and invite every single editor who's edited in the past few months/past several hundred edits. I'm still more concerned about the actual question you asked, however. Do you now understand why it wasn't helpful? Qwyrxian (talk) 09:58, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Explain this edit please

Also, I would like an explanation of this edit. I can't find a good faith rationale for that revert, and absent an explanation, consider it to be almost blockworthy. But perhaps I'm missing something, so please explain why you made that revert. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really not believing the explanation Shabiha gave in this comment on my talk page. He reverted eighteen edits to this version by VIAFbot from before I performed any of them. The ONLY way this could have been done was by intentionally blanking the page and then copy-pasting the version prior to my eighteen edits. I don't know of any other way it can work out. MezzoMezzo (talk) 08:39, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was done mistakenly through Rollback Vandal link.I am really sorry for that. Shabiha (talk) 08:43, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Concerns

MezzoMezzo has just alerted me to some problematic editing on your part. On Sufi-Salafi relations, you have reverted a number of removals. That information was removed because the claims were not in the sources provided--specifically, that the sources did not mention Salfi/Salafiyah/etc. You reverted, saying it was in the sources, but I've spot checked three already, and MezzoMezzo is completely correct. Could you please explain why you are making obviously false statements? Are you just reverting on principle and not checking the sources? Are you checking them and misunderstanding them? Or are you somehow interpreting the sources to mean something they don't actually say? For instance, please look at this and this, and tell me where Salafism is mentioned at all. If you cannot point to a specific use in those articles, you're reverts are either mistaken or in very bad faith. There are other concerns, but these are the most important. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:21, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Qwyrxian,non neutral edits are basically point of concern.I have clearly replied MezzoMezzo on all talk pages and just now on Sufi Salafi relation page that what Saudi Salafi connection is there.He is just removing any valid sourced content from that article to which he has tried to delete in recent past unsuccessfully.Read official announcement from the Saudi government here.*“My brothers, you know that true Salafism is the path whose rules derive from the book of God and the path of the Prophet…This blessed state (Saudi Arabia) has been established along correct Salafi lines since its inception by Imam Mohammed bin Saud and his pact with Imam Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab.Saudi Arabia will continue on the upright Salafi path and not flinch from it or back down,” Prince Nayef told the conference participants.[1].[2][3].As Saudi govt.officially follows Salafi religion,all their actions will come under Sufi salafi relations.You will not find any country associating themselves with Salafism except saudi Arabia.He should prove other wise. Shabiha (talk) 10:46, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Shabiba - please read WP:SYNTHESIS. This says: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources."--Toddy1 (talk) 19:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All of the sources are very much clear and apparent about Saudi govt following Salafi ideology.They are explicitly stating please read any of the source.It does not come under WP:SYNTHESIS. Shabiha (talk) 06:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It follows absolutely under SYN. The sources which MezzoMezzo removed do not say Salafi. You're taking information from another source (wrongly, I might add), combining it with the removed sources, and making them together mean something that neither one said individually. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok,I agree,I will not combine them with removed source and will clear the picture with the help of new sources. Shabiha (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

March 2013

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for continuing to edit war on Sufi-Salafi relations. You explicitly said you would stop edit warring to re-introduce that info, and yet you've done so, again. Furthermore, your edits are blatant violations of WP:NPOV, in the way you use praise for one group and criticism for the other. Several of the sources you picked don't say what they claimed;, and several blatantly violate WP:RS. This has to stop. I've only blocked you for 48 hours, because I'm hoping that you'll see that we really are serious about our core policies and values. You clearly have a lot of knowledge, and I want you to be able to contribute that, but you have to do so within the confines of our policies.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  Qwyrxian (talk) 12:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

yanabi آن لائن

Hi, I added a couple of English sources to YaNabi.com, they were all I could find. If the site is still active can you perhaps add a print source in Urdu? It must have got a mention in Urdu books? Thanks In ictu oculi (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

hello

looking for your input on current discussion at Talk:Al-Ahbash. thx Baboon43 (talk) 14:46, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

April 2013

Hello, I'm McKhan. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Al-Ahbash seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. McKhan (talk) 08:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is your personal view and I have read the whole story .How that point is biased or Non neutral I am unable to understand. Shabiha (talk) 19:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

discussion about disputes

Hello.There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.This is related to the disputes at the Barelvi article.user mzzomezzo is discussing about you.Dil e Muslim talk 16:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion was archived at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive795#Long-running disputes at the Barelvi article, and similar articles.--Toddy1 (talk) 10:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

hi

its just been brought to my attention you had sent me an email a while back..i havnt checked it as i dont remember the password. Baboon43 (talk) 18:20, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of YaNabi.com for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Waris Ali Shah

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All that can be found are websites founded by admirers of the subject, all of which appear to fail WP:IRS. The subject, in this case, fails WP:GNG - whether or not they really were of any status in South Asian Sufi chains is unclear. The only thing clear is that the subject existed. Article creator was a now indefinitely blocked sockpuppet account with a history of creating articles on non-notable (in some cases possibly fictional) subjects.

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The only proof that this Sufi order even exists it the official website and one citation with no page number or author which is supposedly published by the subject of the article. An obvious fail of WP:GNG as an organization cannot establish its own notability through self publishing. Additionally, I'm concerned as to whether the historical claims here are even true - I don't know of any mentions of this order in authentic chains of Sufism.

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  2. ^ http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2011/12/religion/islam/kingdom-of-saudi-arabia-will-continue-to-follow-salafist-ideology-prince-naif
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