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There is no reason for you to not allow a Fan Club as an external link. It is valid due to Wikipedias rules and regulations. Howard Stern has several external Fan Site links and there is no problem with those staying in Wikipedia. It is unfair to allow some things in one article and not in others. Wikipedia is an open forum for valid information and that external link is valid, otherwise remove all of the Howard Stern fan sites that are listed. Overton11:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
On the discussion page for AfD for this article you state: # Delete: Non-notable person. PRs and some articles do not assert notability Seicer (talk) (contribs) 02:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Google "Brian Crecente" and you'll see that there are approx 127,000 hits. Additionally he is the editor of a Top-40 blog (per Technorati). If you could check a couple of the first links in Google I think you'll see that there is notability per the General notability guidelines.
Please don't WP:BITE the newbies. WP:NOT is not a speedy deletion reason and a few personal photos in userspace are allowed, although that appears to have been exceeded in this case. Let me talk to them. -N18:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Please read WP:CSD. Again, NOT MYSPACE is NOT a reason for speedy deletion. If you want the images deleted you will have to list them at WP:IFD. -N19:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
^ Request amended. All images were IFDed. Why N did not do this himself is beyond me. I found it funny that he accused me of "attacking" a "new" editor, when all I did was apply standard CSD templates. And the editor was not "new". Seicer (talk) (contribs) 19:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed these weblogs about the dogs, as they are not considered to be reliable sources[1] per wikipedia WP:verify. Please don't reinsert them, as I put a note about them in my edit history, and a comment on the talk page. I deleted the accompanying text, as it can't stand without references. KP Botany02:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Good idea, just asked for semi-protection on the talk page. That should get his attention. Thanks for the idea. KP Botany02:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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There's nothing that says everything in an FA must have an inline citation. Claims should only be removed if you think they're dubious. --W.marsh03:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
But do you actually think the claim is false? WIAFA just speaks of articles being factually accurate. The article cites many general sources, including "The Encyclopedia of Louisville", by removing the claim you're suggesting the claim is not backed up by any of those sources. --W.marsh03:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Then it's fine to remove the claim if you aren't able to find anything. I wasn't sure you even found the claim dubious, I'm the first to agree that anything dubious needs an inline source, that's what WIAFA says. At any rate, I'm looking at the Encyclopedia of Louisville now and not seeing specific confirmation of the claim in question. --W.marsh03:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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Despite the sarcasm, Kingboyk has a very valid point to make. Any user who makes encyclopedic contributions is entitled to as much of an extravagant user page as they want - a few pictures is no excuse to houd down such an editor - if it was, I'd have an excuse to go around deleting autograph books, but I can't :(. WP:BITE takes far greater precendence over WP:NOT, and I would go as far to say WP:NOT#A place from which to scare newbies. Thanks. Martinp2314:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Many templates do bite - it is your job when doing "the grunt work" to apply tags judiciously, and your references to policies unknown to may experienced Wikipedians are pointless. Avoid WP:ALPHABETSOUP, if you see what I mean, and try to put policy links into nice phrases: Wikipedia is not myspace. The whole point of my message to you, and kingboyk's, was that, as the user had contributed to the encyclopedia, WP:MYSPACE had no valid application. If a group of users come here and just make user/user talk space edits, then we apply WP:MYSPACE. Otherwise, it has no valid basis, and if it did, I would use it on many an editor.
This is not a template message, and amounts to biting the newcomer (who is clearly newer than most users, in the relative sense). Also, one post form yourself to an administrative noticeboard does not equate proof of sockpuppetry, and even if it is going on, can you tell me which policy is being violated (I think you'll find that none are). Looking at that ANI thread, you have been reprimanded there for biting the newbies, and have failed to take heed of this, and also the fact that your frequent references to WP:NOT#MYSPACE are heavily flawed, on the basis that I have outlined above. Ideally, I'd like to see you post a message for the user in question apologising for being over-zealous, and perhaps send her an email containing a similar message. If you persist, however, I may have to disengage myself and ask another admin to take a look. Martinp2314:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you'll note that the diff I referred to was different. My point about invalid uses of WP:NOT still stands, and I would ask that you refrain from describing my messages to you as "garbage". Martinp2314:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
(restart block) And I'm fairly certain that the images will result in deletion at IFD as the images are un-encyclopedic (per standard), and some were even orphaned; now all are, so it's really a moot point. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 14:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Annnnd this is getting old. The images were clearly un-encyclopedic and were submitted for speedy delete. When someone informed me that that was not possible, I submitted them for IFD. Using standard templates. Any other messages regarding this will be deleted, because frankly, it's getting old and very tiring. Have a good day. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 14:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Quite frankly, you need to rethink your priorities. This is not a power game. If someone is making good-faith mainspace contributions, they should be given considerable leeway. Good content contributions are way more important than userpages. If they're userspace is absolutely, irredeemably Myspacey, they should be talked to, gently and calmly. Not rudely templated in this ridiculous manner. This is not like fair use, where copyright law is at stake. This is a matter of preference, and we should talk to people, not template them. MoreschiTalk15:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
CCed to other users involved in the dispute:
Thinking back on the issue, I was probably more harsh than lenient. I should have given the user more feedback on what is appropriate for the images, and in not doing so, I may have caused the loss of a constructive editor for Wikipedia. I am taking full responsibility for that. I am also taking responsibility for my harshness in the replies, but please assume good faith in my edits; they were not meant to detract from Wikipedia or from another editor. I'll e-mail the user and leave an apology note on her talk page. Thanks, Seicer (talk) (contribs) 15:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Found her MySpace page and dropped her a note there. In the future, is it really necessary to do a three-admin pileup on one editor? Seicer (talk) (contribs) 15:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a step back and looking at the situation - it happens to the best of us that we need to take a short break and step down. As for the three admins thing - often admins request the input of others for a "sanity check" (ie, for example, to check that I've not gone mad in my messages above) and to quickly resolve the difficulties (see Moreschi's message). Thanks again, Martinp2315:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Just my 2 cents. I think everyone involved here is operating in good faith. I don't think anyone overstepped thier bounds, and am sad that people are letting this cause them Wikistress. I see no need for anyone to feel guilty, or like they have been picked on, though I think most expericeinced wikipedians understand how people can feel this way occasionally. Seicer, I hope you aren't going on wikibreak just for this, I think you have made it clear that you don't want the other user to take it personally, so I see no need to "punish yourself" (if that is what you are doing). If you hadn't listed those images for deletion I would have. Thanks. -- Diletante19:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
^ Thanks for the support. Unfortunately, I was piled on by three admins, and while that may be acceptable to them, it unfairly penalizes me for just following the standard. I don't think some assumed good faith by placing rather rude comments about my edits, but it is three admins versus one. As you might have found out, I corrected the admin's misactions by citing my previous edits, but I decided in the end that it wasn't worth it. I'm taking a small wikibreak to focus on my other web-sites mainly. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 19:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok, If you are taking a break to work on other stuff, enjoy. I just want to point out that the opinions of admins don't carry any special weight compared to other users. Admins are just users whom enough people trust to give them the admin tools. See you later. -- Diletante19:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I felt that I was operating in good faith in trying to remove the images. I made a mistake by applying the images for speedy delete when I misinterpreted WP:NOT#MYSPACE, for which I have apologised for already. I then applied for IFDs on the images.
I was later gangpiled by three admins (one seeking another opinion, another seeking another opinion, etc.) at here. That felt itimidating and overwhelming, and is part of the reason why I am talking a wikibreak. I have no hard feelings towards any admin that or user that has discussed it on my talk page. They are only doing their duty as an admin and had a right to notify me, but in the future, please assume I had the best intentions.
I then had to defend myself many times from Martinp23 (talk·contribs) who most likely misinterpreted my intentions on the removal of the images. I had to provide proof that was clearly stated on the page histories, and felt as if I was being targeted for my good-faith edits.
I used standard templates per instruction on the speedy image delete page, and later refreshed them when I applied for IFDs. Another editor combined them. That didn't stop me from being accused of not using the proper templates: "the message I see on the talk page now didn't come from a template".
Moreschi (talk·contribs) then stated that I needed to be "gentle" and "calm" -- and while I agree that the templates probably overwhelmed Carley, they are per standard. I did nothing wrong in that regard.
Overall, you don't see me going all haywire on their talk pages. I did what any editor would: Apply for the proper template and notify the user on the talk page on the image that is up for deletion. Let me reiterate: There is nothing wrong with doing that. It's not "biting" the user, it's not assuming bad faith, and it's not a personal attack. While I may have caused her to leave, I take full responsibility for that and feel very much guilty. But please do not pin the whole situation on me, when I was just following policy. If I had not notified her on the images being deleted, then I would have been critised for not doing so, right? Double standard... Seicer (talk) (contribs) 03:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Seicer, I am curious to know what exactly is stopping the raids from being included in the article. SakotGrimshine is right that most of the content in the article can be verified by just looking around. I am not interested in including the raids; I as much as you don't want them included, but I am very curious to know what is wrong with them. If you could reply soon, thanks –Sebi ~05:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
...I do need something ;) User:Kai wants to merge Habbo Hotel with Habbo - Habbo just has a link back to Habbo Hotel, which is quite stupid really. If you could help out a bit, I've got a feeling if I do any more I'll get blamed for WP:OWN or WP:3RR... –Sebi ~07:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
To start off.. The page has had countless sourced (by encyclopedias ) contributions deleted and replaced with unsourced claims. Now the user who did this is Gator and he rejects any and all encyclopedic sources and instead opts to use his own opinion on what state's make up the region. As we know the region is called the SouthEAST rather than breaking off the Western most states of the Southern region (Texas and Oklahoma), he makes up some crap about the Missouri compromise and how states north of it aren't apart of the region, despite 60%-75% percent of the sources on in the article and on the talk page include the state's of Virginia and Kentucky (and occasionally West Virginia). 74.128.200.13505:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey Seicer, BobDavis4 who continues editing in that unofficial fansite to the Bubba page recently deleted the whole Discussion Archive, figured I'd give you a heads up 71.162.131.23404:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello, ah....you just yelled at me for editing the Bubba the Love Sponge page. I can assure you I have never even visited that page. I don't know if somebody is using my account or anything...but I don't even know who Bubba is. I normally just look at pages related to my favorite bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.177.164.111 (talk • contribs)
I agree completely that the history needs to be expanded and sourced. I appreciate the work that you are putting in on this. I am a little concerned that there is too much detail about the domestic partner benefits, it may be a big issue right now, but in 1-5 years, it will be in everyone's rear view mirror, and it will look out of place. See Wikipedia:Recentism, and Go Big Blue --rogerd18:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Seicer- I read your explanation. It is nonsense, in my opinion. The long and detailed account of the domestic partner benefits in U K History section 1.1 will not be justified by expanding all the history. To give equal length to all significant UK history would make this article as long as a book.
June 11, 2007 at 6:58 PM. I use IP address in accordance with Wiki policy, so please get over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.21.136 (talk • contribs)
Nonsense? Now, if you would read my explanations, I stated that I would be expanding upon the article and wholly citing it, so your patent persistence would be considered minor. Also, there is no way unless hell would freeze over that my good faith edits would be considered vandalism or would require administrator intervention. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 00:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Seicer- Thanks for repairing my messed up reference on Kentucky Attorney General June 1, 2007 opinion.65.80.21.13619:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)65.80.21.136 - June 15, 2007
I made a proper edit that you vandalized.I had an explanation in the edit info of why your verbose edits are no pertinent to the newly titled section of history. Domestic Partner Benefits as detailed in the History no longer exist at UK. A new plan that is compliant with law was announced today to UK employees. As a recent UK graduate, you may not have received Frank's e-mail. I have reviewed your record of stubborn edit disputes on Wiki and I suggest that you seek legal advice before you continue such actions.74.234.156.1622:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
No, you erased much background information from the domestic partner benefits program in an attempt to push your viewpoints, and then inputted some badly written, uncited text. Legal threats are also very much frowned upon here. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
And I am not a recent UK graduate, FTR. I'm still attending, and actually work for the university. Thanks for peeking into my background...
Sorry I thought you graduated. My mistake. I did not peek in your background, it is well documented on the web and available to anyone with the skills to find it. I have made no legal threat against you of Wiki and your assertion that I have is improper and uncivil. I have no plans to ever take legal action against any insignificant matter.
I have no viewpoint on the domestic partner benefits or the the new plan announced by Frank today. As an employee of UK, did you get a copy of his e-mail? If not, it will probably be in the Herald Leader tomorrow and you can reference it. I have no dog in this fight. I want you to be responsible and stop putting your POV on Domestic Partner Benefits in distorted detail on the University of Kentucky Wiki page. May God bless you.You will never hear from me again-have a field day pushing your npov..74.234.156.1600:31, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I perceived this as a legal threat: "...and I suggest that you seek legal advice before you continue such actions." Also, please keep uncivil comments, such as my "stubborn edit disputes," out of the reply. As an employee, I did receive the e-mail but I will cite the H-L article whenever I have more time to edit Wikipedia ... probably tomorrow, if someone else has not cited it by then. I reverted your edits initially because you erased information pertaining to the domestic partner benefits, the original incarnation; your addition of the update could have gone very well at the end without major snipping of the section -- which then offers a distorted picture of the whole situation. Your text removal also damaged several reference points, as they are referred to later in the paragraphs, thereby breaking the citations. And god doesn't bless me, I'm an atheist. But have a good day as well, please continue editing, but be mindful of other editors and their reasons, and do not be as sharp to be so callous or to call others out on vandalism. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 02:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
One of the editors who I believe is just acting as a troll blanked the fan site discussion from the archive diff. It isn't surprising given his history with the talk page and the fact that he was the one who archived the page, hence why I had it watch listed. I had thought about slow reverting the change since I have tried to stay out of this since I felt I was just feeding the troll, but I wasn't sure if anyone caught that last edit. If you had some plan with how you were dealing with the troll/vandal let me know, or if you would like some assistance. I can't see the WP:ANI you opened, but I was wondering if an request for comment/user or sockpuppet check would be an appropriate solution at this point. I'm also going to mention this to another user who is familiar with the conflicts the various Stern pages have concerning fan sites. Optigan1305:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I placed it on my watchlist, and reverted the changes. The user has been warned. If this persists, I'll file to have the site blacklisted from Wikipedia (or is it whitelisted?) Seicer (talk) (contribs) 05:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
It's blacklist I believe you are referring to. The other thing I'm not sure about if his bouncing around IPs constitutes sockpuppetry, since all the whois queries point to the same user either at the same home location or at what appears to be his work. Optigan1305:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
As I recall you asked for a source to confirm Kentucky's numbers from the Southern Focus Study (which for some reason you didn't believe) which in tern confirms Kentucky's Southernness.
John Shelton Reed
Percent who say their community is in the South (percentage base in parentheses)
I just wanted to point out that the above comment was not left by Nihonjoe, as indicated, but rather a sock impersonating him.-Chunky Rice06:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
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