Do you think that picture was on the page if wikipedia wasn't dominated by teenage males? In any case, I've taken the thing off my watchlist. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen here lately, but if "the community" wants it that way, it speaks for all of you. It's on the record that I am not part of this. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ17:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This edit of yours has got me thinking. I'm having trouble clarifying my ideas though, so maybe you can help. It seems to me that NPOV requires us to represent all significant views. Since most reliable sources, especially academic sources, are written from a secular viewpoint, we should usually follow their lead. However, in areas where there is a substantial non-secular viewpoint, e.g. religion, we should not discriminate or make judgments as to whether the secular or non-secular viewpoint is correct. We should endeavor to explain both sides without taking sides. This is why we should not treat all religions alike: some have lots of reliable sources supporting their claims to truth, others do not. Does that make any sense? --Cerebellum (talk) 18:16, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It does. My response was to the definition of "secular", e.g. "non-religious"; quite a few people confuse it with "atheist" or "anti-religion" which is incorrect.
In general, I am not too interested in that discussion anymore since it just goes around in circles, and I've come to the conclusion that this is a case of systematic bias which remains unsolvable in the near future. Your last sentence describes exactly that. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ18:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is exactly what I was confusing it with, thank you for clarifying. I agree that this discussion seems pretty intractable - hopefully we can find some kind of compromise eventually :) --Cerebellum (talk) 19:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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