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I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Umbrella Entertainment, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi ScottDavis. This is just a courtesy notification. I didn't de-prod the article; another editor did and they didn't give a reason. If you still feel there are notability issues with the article, you may nominate it for deletion at WP:AFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: I was responding to the issue being raised on WP:AWNB in the first place. As you have noticed, I cleaned up a lot of the WP:COI material and left it for a few hours. When I came back to it, I failed to find evidence of notability so added {{PROD}}. I have left a message on the talk page of the user who removed the PROD, so will give him/her a chance to respond before proceeding to AFD. As you said, if the enterprise is wiki-notable, then the COI edits should be able to be managed. LinkedIn says the Marketing Coordinator is someone with a name that matches several of the contributors to the article, so I'd say she has been zealous in her job. Thanks. --Scott DavisTalk02:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
I didn't notice the AWNB thread until after I posted the above. I actually had more in my OP, but removed the stuff which appeared to be covered in the AWNB thread. As I hinted at in my post at AWNB, even a BADFAITH de-prod is still a de-prod; so, the next step would be AfD for anyone who feels the article fails NORG. I'm leaning that way myself, but also asked about this at WT:FILM#Umbrella Entertainment just to get a little more input. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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it brings things out of the woodwork, and seems as unresolved as totally unexpected arrivals from some who havent been on the awnb page for years, suddenly turn up. I have no interest in it further - it simply feels like other talk page things that go on and on, and there is clearly a sign of individuals who turn up and say i do it this way, and in the end it smells of herding cats... it does not look like a set of individuals who are going to agree to a consensus decision. Maybe they will resolve something, but thats it from me. JarrahTree12:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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Brings back some memories to see someone adding all that info on Hopgood's PhD for his article - I spent a day poring over it in the SLSA years ago because it's the best source in existence on the Lang Labor Party (South Australia) and then managed to lose all my notes in a hard drive crash before I ever got around putting it into Wikipedia. I wish someone'd digitise the damn thing so I could do it again without a repeat trip to Adelaide. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
@The Drover's Wife: Thanks. I was really only looking for enough info to justify correcting his title from Mr. to Dr. when I realised it was wrong. There is probably a lot more good stuff about him in that source. Have you tried asking the State Library to digitise his thesis? I got a "low-res" scan of a document emailed for free (for family history, not Wikipedia). They said they could do "hi-res" for a fee, but since their source was only a 1980s/90s photocopy of an 1860s diary, the low-res scan was as good as their original. --Scott DavisTalk11:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
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for anyone with knowledge of the environmental issues that were dominating the media of Perth (as it was then) in the early 1980s, the word kemerton was something like a red rag, interesting that the locality does not even show up in 2010s as even having been a location. The average punter over here wouldnt even be able to distinguish wellesley from worsley is my guess. I suppose it is all a matter of age, memory and areas of interest. JarrahTree05:32, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks JarrahTree. That suggests there was a lot more I should have found of interest to put in the Kemerton Power Station article. Thank you for what you have added so far. I found the WA electricity articles to be in a pretty poor state compared to the eastern states. I can't even work out how many distinct power stations there are in Kwinana! I was considering sending you a request for a sanity check, but it looks like you have found what I've done so far. Are you able to run your eye over List of power stations in Western Australia and/or {{Energy in Western Australia}} to at least provide a red link with the right name for each (major) power station on the grid please? Power station articles can be technically interesting as the infobox can be filled completely from wikidata. I haven't found any other infoboxes on enwiki that can be done that way yet. --Scott DavisTalk05:57, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
If you look at my edit history, everything in energy/electricity on wikipedia looks like someone left the door attached to the window sash as in the movie 'on the beach'.... even back to basics the talk pages suggests people lost interest a long time ago... User:Callistemon is well worth contacting either on or off line - he lives near the kwinana area and is former mining in australia content builder extraordinaire... If you are curious about boxes - rangasyd did some good stuff for the dams and things in Tassie. I am probably not into state library until the new year... but will have a look, the big problem is time, it is going crazy at the moment in reallife, I put my hands up for too many things at my age... 06:09, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
BTW buried somewhere in Mines (I used to go to their now hardly ever used library) should be the mineral sands context to Kemerton
The mid 1980s battles over mining bauxite in the darling range (not adequately covered in overview anywhere) had included Kemerton as a potential bauxite processing site, and inneresting is the earlier documents suggest it was in Harvey shire, current material suggests Bunbury... my very local knowledge on Harvey-Bunbury area suggests that there are many unwritten articles that need digging in offline sources materials, that means 2020 for me JarrahTree06:14, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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there is a peripheral issue with some motorsport issues - nothing too much of a promise, but better to protect if you can at some point, as it will be ages before I get there... JarrahTree14:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
@JarrahTree: Yes, I could tell I had stepped into something bigger than I cared to untangle. I hope there is someone who is able to access an appropriate set of third-party sources. --Scott DavisTalk07:57, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
there are, if watched carefully, some sensible editors who 'watch' motorsport and will edit where necessary - but they have low profile and do not seem to venture anywhere beyond their specific watch list that appears narrow... one of the motorsport watchers may well have the knowledge... but which one, and how to reach out, anyones guess.. JarrahTree08:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
ASC Shipbuilding
Hi,
Can you please have a look at the following matter. There is a proposal to delete the above article. While the article in its current form is worthy of deletion, the subject is notable. In particular, its future cash flow will be one of the highest of a company based in South Australia. I have not got the time to fix this article by the scheduled execution date and to the necessary changes to both ASC Pty Ltd, the Osborne Naval Shipyard and several other articles. I have found several federal government reports about the subject background and are looking for some more sources. What can you suggest? Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 09:58, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
@Cowdy001: I'm adding a bit to it, but about to knock off for the night and may not get there by the PROD deadline. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Anyone can just remove a PROD tag, and make the proposer (and seconder) take it to a full AFD process. I agree that it looks like it is sufficiently distinct from either its former or current parent to be separately documented, although WP:TOOSOON would be a possible argument for deletion/merger. Are you sure that ASC Shipbuilding reverts to ASC Pty Ltd after the Hunter class contract? I couldn't see that in the cited reference. --Scott DavisTalk14:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
@ScottDavis: I found two new sources where the resumption of ownership is mentioned:
ASC Shipbuilding, which is government-owned, will become a subsidiary of BAE during the build… At the end of the building program Australia will resume complete ownership of ASC Shipbuilding, meaning intellectual property of the Australian Type 26 will be retained by the Commonwealth.
SENATOR THE HON. MATHIAS CORMANN, MINISTER FOR FINANCE: ... ASC Shipbuilding will do this as a subsidiary of BAE Systems during the period of the build, with the Commonwealth retaining a sovereign share. That sovereign share gives us certain rights during the build period in relation to any decisions or actions that have national security or other relevant strategic implications. But it also means that, at the end of the build period, the ASC Shipbuilding entity, with the intellectual property, a highly skilled workforce and all of the associated equipment, returns to Commonwealth ownership.
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I took a look and I think your Fiery Creek birth is most likely in the Beaufort/Raglan area where there was the Fiery Creek gold rush. See this and this. Kerry (talk) 04:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Kerry. I realised that once I started looking into it too. It looks like my 3xgreat grandparents immigrated to South Australia in 1850, and soon after, went to the Victorian gold rush with his cousin (who had immigrated with his parents ten years earlier) and the cousin's new wife. I think the cousin and his wife may have come and gone a few times but stayed in Victoria as children were born in several goldmining areas and he appears to be buried in Victoria. I am yet to identify his wife's death/burial, but their surviving children seem to have stayed in Victoria too. My 3xgreat grandparents returned to SA in 1854 and took up farming in the same area I grew up in over a century later. --Scott DavisTalk06:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Ruxton-Ireland connections
Hello Scott,
I am currently looking into my family ancestry, and have always been aware of a Ruxton or two mariages into my family in Galway, Ireland in the 1820s.
I have some infornation here, regarding the Ruxton's legal practice in Galway, but it is vague.
I wonder do you have any more information about the Ruxtons of Galway - I can fill you in much more about hteir activites in Ireland/Galway in the 1820s-80s.
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