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A fascinating and really good page. Congratulations. Giano (talk) 12:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC) Greetings! phoenixMourning has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing! phoenixMourning ( talk/contribs ) 17:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC) Your well-written and carefully-researched article on an important fresco was certainly worth any little contributions I could make: you should see my typos! Rather a lot of red-linked names there, but people do have to be fully introduced at first appearance unless they're as familiar as, say, Vasari. In general, though there is a cathedral in Florence, always called the Duomo, in spite of Wikipedia's Florence Cathedral [sic], there is no "Cathedral of Florence". The singular of condottieri is condottiero— as I recently was taught, having written condottiere for years. Kudos to you! I must look through your contributions, since I didn't know your work til now. --Wetman (talk) 22:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Lead item, with picture! Nice work. BencherliteTalk 19:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC) AfD nomination of Boloco An article that you have been involved in editing, Boloco, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boloco. Thank you. GlassCobra 15:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC) Papal namesCongratulations, nice work. Did you know that Popes until and including Pope Pius IX called themselves POPE AND KING? I have an old etching of Pius IX with that title. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Well the title "King" refers to the position as head of the "Church State" or "Papal State", which ceased to exist in 1870. Pius IX, not recognizing the Italian conquest, kept the title to his death in 1878. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 12:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC) Fair use rationale for Image:Growingup20062008.jpgThanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Growingup20062008.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Polly (Parrot) 20:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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Good to see you alive and well again Savidan. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC) Clement VIII and Pietro AldobrandiniPope Clement VIII and Cardinal Pietro Aldobrandini were not brothers. Pietro was nephew of this Pope on his father's side. Clement VIII was son of Silvestro Aldobrandini, governor of Fano, and Lisa Donati, while Cardinal Pietro was son of Pietro Aldobrandini and Flaminia Ferracci. Source that you've cited probably confused Pietro Aldobradini with Cardinal Giovanni Aldobrandini, who actually was older brother of Clement VIII, but was elevated in 1570 by Pope Pius V and died in 1573. Adnote that Clement VIII was born in 1536, while Pietro in 1571. 35 years is quite unusual difference of age for brothers. See: Cardinal Giovanni Aldobrandini CarlosPn (talk) April 19, 2008 11:30 (CET)
Ludovico Migliorati and Gaetani StefaneschiLudovico Migliorati and Cardinal Giovanni Migliorati were certainly different persons. The events described by The Catholic Encyclopedia concern Ludovico, but according to Kazimierz Dopierała "Księga papieży" ("The book of the Popes"), Pallotinum, Poznań 1996, p. 262-263, Ludovico Migliorati was a condotierre and layman, and does not mention his promotion to the cardinalate or any other ecclesiestical post. In 1406 Ludovico was named by Innocent VII lord of Ancona, a lay office, while Giovanni Migliorati four years before election of his uncle was elected archbishop of Ravenna. Adnote that papal genealogy, which mentions Ludovico, does not refer him as cardinal. The Catholic Encyclopedia confused these two relatives of Innocent VII in this way that atributed to Ludovico promotion to the cardinalate which actually concerned Giovanni. Konrad Eubel, Hierarchia Catholica Medii Aevi. Volumen I, p. 26 list only Giovanni Migliorati among Innocent's VII cardinals. About Giovanni Caetani Stefaneschi I'd rather trust Salvador Miranda and his website than The Catholic Encyclopedia. Both these sources say that he was son of Pietro Stefaneschi and Perna Orsini, so he certainly wasn't nephew sensu stricte of Boniface VIII. Possibly he was distant relative of this Pope, and as such he may be added to the list with the question mark. Similary, Cardinal Jacques Fournier (Pope Benedict XII) may have been relative of Pope John XXII, who elevated him in 1327, but it is not certain. CarlosPn (talk) April 21, 2008 15:12 (CET) BTW, I've removed the note that Francisco Borja was possibly son of Callixtus III, because from his biographical entry (note 2) appears that it is rather unlikely. I think that alleged natural children of Popes is very delicate subject and we should be careful in providing uncertain informations about it. Pope Callixtus III is referred rather as very austere and piety man (see f.e. his characteristics by L. Pastor, "History of the Popes vol. 2" or on The Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church), and his alleged illegitimate son does not correlate with these characteristics. Adnote that Aldea, "Borja, Francisco de." Diccionario de historia eclesiástica de España, I, 279, saying that Francisco was son of Alonso de Borja (Callixtus III), adds that he was born before Alonso received the holy orders. But Francisco was born in 1441, while Alonso de Borja was consecrated to the episcopate on August 31, 1429, twelve years before, so this information seems very ureliable. CarlosPn (talk) April 21, 2008 15:37 (CET)
Giovanni AcutoWell done! Johnbod (talk) 00:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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-Susanlesch (talk) 06:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC) I'm really glad you're taking in upon yourself to write these articles. Water and ecological management in Brazil is an extremely important topic and ther eis so much to cover. I started Deforestation in Brazil which was missing and there is much we could wrtie about hydroelectric power in Brazil, mining, cattle ranching subjects in particular. Keep up the good work ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC) Hello Savidan/Archive 8!
You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - Tinucherian (talk) 06:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC) 4/28 DYK
--Bedford 05:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Thanks Reviewing articles at WP:FAC is too often a tedious and thankless task. Respectful, appreciative responses from nominators - like yours here - are what keeps me going. Thank you. Maralia (talk) 05:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Water resources management in Brazil- THANK YOUDear Savidan, Thank you very much for your valuable contribution to the Water resources management in Brazil article. I am specially interested in some of the journals you quoted and was wondering if you have an electronic copy of "Lemos, Maria Carmen, and de Oliveira, João Lúcio Farias. 2005. "Water Reform across the State/Society Divide: The Case of Ceará, Brazil." Water Resources Development, 21(1): 133-147." I would like to inlcude the link to the paper into the citation. Thank you very much!--anunezsanchez (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Theology of PP XIIYou worked hard! Good job, reads better, some content got lost, nothing big, I will restore later. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC) Speedy deletion of SanfedismoA tag has been placed on Sanfedismo requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding Nice work on this one! - I've been meaning to get that Italian article translated, in relation to my work on Veronese Easters. Might you be interested in Viva Maria, or in helping finish off the translation of Veronese Easters? Many thanks! Neddyseagoon - talk 00:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
--PFHLai (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC) picture of historical 24-hour clockThanks for adding the picture of a historical 24-hour clock to the relevant article. It is a brilliant illustration of the idea, showing midnight at the bottom, thus making the hour hand roughly indicate the position of the Sun. −Woodstone (talk) 07:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC) Style questionsKindly indicate the Wikipedia regulations - page - which you refer to regsrding style issues. Thank you.--Ambrosius007 (talk) 08:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC) ... has passed GA review. Congratulations, Majoreditor (talk) 02:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC) Something for you
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Fair use I found in an Picasso article, where several of his later picures are shown under this policy. Since the PPXII picture is to show the "Pastor Angelicus", (Malachian prophesy of PPXII), I could use the fair use rationale, to be mentiond in the article as well. However, if this cannot be clarified and you still feel more comfortable with keeping the old picture up top, we can just replace the two. No big deal. Thank's for your help. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC) PS I plan to add a small childhood pic (from 1884) which should be unproblematic bcause of age.
--Ambrosius007 (talk) 17:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Thank you Savidan, the images support the text in a sense, as they show a human PPXII. I appreaciate your help later on, as I am not familiar with these issues. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Where did we refer to the Israel issue? The Roncalli criticism of the Vatican (indirectly of Pius) shows an aspect which we and much of the literature did not fully appreciate: Pius XII and Vatican policies are not always fully identical. (Which may be one reason, why he did not appoint a successor to Maglione in 1944). Cheers--Ambrosius007 (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Gone with the Wind in the Vatican
--BorgQueen (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC) quoteThank's for asking. The quote expressed a common view (with implicit accusation), that PP12 notably did not elevate Tardini and Montini in 1953.
True enough, but other Monsignore were not elevated either. If this sentence is to make sense in a biography of Pius XII, it must mean something. Did he overlook them ? Did they ask for it? Were they entitled to it by position? None of the above applied. I replaced the quote with a more accurate quote from the Pope himself, indicating that these two guys refused the red hat in 1953, which of couse is quite a different story. The papal quote is from his allucation to the new cardinals. If you go to the tardinin page, go get additional detail, including how this poor chap, despite of his serious illness, was forced into the promotion by John XXIII which he had rejected five years earlier from Pius XII. He died within three years of a massive heart attack. The same point was raised in PAUL VI. Thank`s again. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, you are right, but I replaced the quote because, by itself it was wrong and gave a wrong context. The question here is how much do we want to go in detail: ... because the story continued. After they turned down the red hat in 1953, Montini was appointed to Milan a year later in 1954. FYI I wrote in Pope Paul VI on this issue:
What I left out in this saga are the numerous holy and unholy rumors, all of them unsubstantiated. Cheers--Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC) What puzzled me in this context is Richard Cushing, a Pius fan from Boston, a traditional red hat seat. Appointed in 1944, he was overlooked in both consistories (1946, 1953), but why? A "reliable source" Father Andrew Greeley says that "It is alleged that Richard Cardinal Cushing of Boston came out of the conclave with the precise totals of each ballot written on his shirt cuff.[4] This is, however, most unlikely, since Cushing was not a Cardinal at the time of the 1958 conclave. He was elevated to the College of Cardinals by Pope John XXIII on December 15, 1958, that is a few weeks after the conclave. So much for reliable sources. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC) WEll yes, he could have been there as an ... assistant to a Cardinal, or as an official of the conclave. He was however, Archishop of Boston and arguably not in Rome at this time. Nevethelsess the Cushing conclave voting data continue to be propagated by Father Andrew Greeley. I changed the sentence as you proposed. Cheers--Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC) I added some pics in Early life article FYI Cheers--Ambrosius007 (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Vatican Pharmacy DYK
--There are humor possibilities with this one. I keep imagining mentholated host for communicants with sore throats ... Daniel Case (talk) 04:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC) More picsAs I returned after a few days, a pleasant surprise of yet another nice pic from another contributor , P12 in white, to which I added toda an original P 12 in red. We have now a choice of thee very nice lead pics,(the painting, P12 in white and P12 in red) I like all three and propose that you make the decicion. The chap who added P12 in white created also a template, which preempts what I am working an, but can easily be harmonized. Cheers--Ambrosius007 (talk) 13:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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--Gatoclass (talk) 14:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Thanksfor the kind words. As for Live at the Fillmore, I already tried to nominate it for FL, but as someone pointed out, it isn't a list in the proper sense. Oh, well. Dylan (talk) 17:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Caeca et Obdurata
--BorgQueen (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC) Ad exstirpanda DYKHi. I've reviewed your DYK nomination for Ad exstirpanda and made a couple of comments which you might want to respond to on the submissions page. Cheers, Olaf Davis | Talk 08:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
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--BorgQueen (talk) 19:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC) I agree that it seems a little bit curious that two out of three commitee members were elected to the papacy and that it is reasonable to be skeptical towards the alleged "reluctancy" of Ugolino but I think that we should not undermine such statements present in the available sources unless we got no evidence to contradict them. Not all popes were described as "reluctant", f.e. Pope Alexander VI or Pope Julius II weren't. For the procedure of compromissum used during this election see an article on The Catholic Encyclopedia. This procedure seems to have been quickly abandoned in practise because I haven't found any evidence of using it after papal election, 1268-1271 when I prepared the articles about papal elections and conclaves on the Polish Wikipedia. CarlosPn July 5, 2008 18:00 (CET) Hi. Reviewed this and left a couple of comments on the discussion page - nothing too major but you might want to take a look. Cheers, Olaf Davis | Talk 21:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Papal election, 1241 DYK
Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 09:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC) Place of papal conclave, January 1276I'm not sure whether Basilica di San Francesco di Arezzo could be correctly considered the place of the first papal conclave, since it's reported that the building of this basilica started ca. 1290 and the conclave was held in 1276. I think it's more probable that it was Gothic cathedral of St. Donatus in Arezzo, which is mentioned in the article about Arezzo, and where Pope Greogry X was buried, according to that article. But I think that Category:Sites of papal elections is a good idea. CarlosPn July 8, 2008 19:35 (CET) Allegations of apartheid deletion notificationSome time ago, you participated in a deletion discussion concerning Allegations of Chinese apartheid. I thought you might like to know that the parent article, Allegations of apartheid, was recently nominated for deletion. Given that many of the issues that have been raised are essentially the same as those on the article on which you commented earlier, you may have a view on whether Allegations of apartheid should be kept or deleted. If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination). -- ChrisO (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC) Wow!!Wow... very nice! I'll try, if having time, to create articles for the guys who are missing articles. Ciao! --Attilios (talk) 07:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Cardinal Pedro Luis de Borja Lanzol de Romaní and Don Pedro Luis de Borja, captain general of the Church in the pontificate of Callistus III weren't the same person and they should not be confused with each other. Cardinal Pedro Luis de Borja Lanzol de Romaní was grand-nephew of Rodrigo Borgia - Alexander VI and was born in 1472 while Pope Callistus III died on August 6, 1458, fourteen years before. He never occupied the post of captain-general, although received several lucrative ecclesiestical appointments, including the post of grand penitentiary. Don Pedro Luis de Borja, captain general of the Church, was younger brother of Rodrigo Borgia and nephew of Callistus III. He was not a cardinal but a layman. He was born in 1432. Pope Callistus III made him captain-general and governor of the Castle of S. Angelo in the spring of 1456, and later in the same year named him governor of the several cities in the Papal States and of the provinces of Patrinomy and Tuscany. His advance met with strong protests of the Roman barons. After the death of his uncle in August 1458 he had to fly away from the Eternal City. He died en route in Civita Castellana on September 26, 1458, at the age of 26. All these informations about Don Pedro Luis are according to Ludwig von Pastor, History of the Popes vol. 2, p. 460-478. CarlosPn July 16, 2008 20:35 (CET) CfD nomination of Category:National histories Category:National histories, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 12:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Pedro Luis de Borja Lanzol de Romaní
--BorgQueen (talk) 08:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC) Arnaud de Pellegrue
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--Gatoclass (talk) 13:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Giuseppe PecciFound and added some very interesting information in a 1880 book--Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I have not found a critical interpretation of this appointment not even in Saints and Sinners by Duffy. Maybe the high age of the brother, the lack of visible advantages, or the overall positive interpretations of Leo XIII have something to do with it. Looking back, one can say, that the Pecci brothers succeeded until Vatican II. I'll add this to the Pecci page for better understanding. Look at the new pics in Leo XIII Cheers --Ambrosius007 (talk) 08:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Juan de Borja Lanzol de Romaní, el mayor DYK
--Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 03:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC) Francisco de Borja (cardinal)
--BorgQueen (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Please, Savidan, ...... stop the inaccurate accusations you have repeatedly made against me on Talk:Pope Pius XII (e.g. ("to remove or whittle down material just because we as writers deem a point of view incorrect.") as they make it hard to assume that you make them in good faith. Str1977 (talk) 17:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
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--Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 04:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC) section p12I came accross the 2000 report from the CJHC which someone before your time crossly misrepresented. I tried to make some adjustments. Probably still too long, given the fact that the commission dealt with much more than Pius XII. The previous statements were simply wrong. Cut as you please. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 19:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Veto in the Papal conclave, 1314–1316Hey, Savidan. According to your article Papal conclave, 1314—1316 Arnaud Fournier was vetoed by the Count of Forez on behalf of Philip, Count of Poitiers. But no such Cardinal appears on the list of participants. There were 4 cardinals named Arnaud at that time. Which one of them is it?? CarlosPn (talk) 15:20, 9 August 2008 (CET) Re:Conclave 1304-05It would be correct after adding "or antipope", because in the papal conclave, 1378 none of sixteen electors became pope, but two of them (Robert de Geneve and Pedro de Luna) became Avignon antipopes Clement VII and Benedict XIII. Besides, for papal election, 1061 we've got only a list of cardinal-bishops. None of them became pope, but it's nearly certain that Cardinal Hildebrand (future Gregory VII) also assisted at this election because it is said that the election of Alexander II was largely due to him. CarlosPn (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2008 (CET) CamerlengoTeodorico Ranieri was Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church (1300-1306), while Robert Pontigny was Camerlengo of the Sacred College of Cardinals (1298-1305). Two different posts that should not be confused with each other. See Camerlengo of Sacred College of Cardinals by Salvador Miranda. Cordially. CarlosPn (talk) 23:00, 10 August 2008 (CET) BTW, the original title of the book Historia wyboru papieży by Ambrogio Piazzoni, recently added to the article about conclave 1304-05, is Storia delle elezioni pontificie. I've used the Polish tranlation but I suppose that English also exists. CarlosPn (talk) 23:05, 10 August 2008 (CET) surveyThanks! How did you find my survey page? Tony (talk) 05:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC) DYK
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--Gatoclass (talk) 11:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Council of Constance and conclave of 1417Although the papal conclave, 1417 was celebrated in the Council of Constance, I believe it deserves a separate article, because it was absolutely unique conclave due to admitting non-cardinals into the circle of the electors. What do you think?CarlosPn (talk) 16:29, 15 August 2008 (CET) Avignon Exchange DYK hookHi, I have just AGF ticked the Avignon Exchange hook. I also made a alternative hook suggestion, that I just took from the article. Wanted to let you know so that you could comment either way. Further, my suggested hook may not be covered by the reference. It is a very interesting article, keep up the good work. Mitico (talk) 15:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
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Moreover, it is also disputed whether it was actually the smallest election in 12th century. I.S.Robinson (1990), The Papacy 1073-1198: Continuity and Innovation, p. 87-88 indicates that in the election of December 1187 participated probably only eight cardinals. The lists of participants of the papal elections in 12th century published by Salvador Miranda are taken from the very old work of A. Chacón, Vitae et res gestae Pontificum Romanorum et S. R. E. Cardinalium, edited in 17th century. This opuscle is often inaccurate and contains several mistakes. For example, Chacón lists Cardinal Konrad von Wittelsbach as participant of the election in January 1198, although it is well documentated that he served as papal legate in the Holy Land from 1197 until 1199, so couldn't have participated in this election (Wolff, R. L.; Hazard, H. W. (ed.) / The later Crusades, 1189-1311, 1969, p. 121, 529 and 648).. When I was preparing the articles about the elections of 12th century on the Polish wikipedia I had confrontated Chacón's lists of participants with other sources, particularly with Robinson's book and with the data about the subscriptions of the papal bulls, published by Jaffé Philipp, Regesta pontificum Romanorum ab condita Ecclesia ad annum post Christum natum MCXCVIII, Berlin 1851. Particularly the latter source helps to establish wich cardinals subscribed the last papal bulls of the deceased pope and the first bulls of the new one; on that ground it's possible to assume which cardinals were actually present at the death of the old pope and at the election of the new one. The inferences often contradict Chacón. CarlosPn (talk) 13:25, 16 August 2008 (CET) GiovinezzaCan you direct me to a YouTube version of the song which includes those lines? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 01:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
OK I see it. It only links to a rather crappy instrumental version. The best-known vocal version seems to be Gigli's, which does not include those lines. Nor were they part of the original chorus. It would seem they were added in by fascist enthusiasts after 1922. I would suggest that the article should note that there were variant versions but that these lines do not seem to be part of the "official" version. Incidentally, the article says "popular among Italian soldiers fighting in Africa during World War I." I don't think the Italians did any fighting in Africa in World War I. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 02:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
It was the official hymn of the Fascist party, and from 1943 the official national anthem of the RSI, so there must have been an official set of lyrics. You will have to explain your sentence about the arditi. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 06:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
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HiIs it possible for you to block this person. He/She keeps vandalising the edits that I've made... Please... 122.2.222.195 (His/Her I.P. address) --79.78.114.161 (talk) 02:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Pope John Paul IIHello Savidan, I have been working on the Pope John Paul II article in order to improve it and raise it to ‘Good Article’ and hopefully ‘Featured Article’ status. The article is currently in Peer Review. Your name was recently mentioned by SandyGeorgia, as being possibly interested, so I though I would invite you to take a look. Any help to improve the article would be very much appreciated. Kind Regards Marek.69 talk 04:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC) Orphaned non-free media (File:Boratmoi.jpg)
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Dravecky (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC) Hi, Savidan! I don’t want to make any “revolution” with this list without consulting you, although it seems to me that some kind of “revolution” is neccessary. According to the modern prosopographies of the medieval cardinals (J. M. Brixius, Die Mitglieder des Kardinalkollegiums von 1130-1181, Berlin 1912; R. Hüls, Kardinäle, Klerus und Kirchen Roms: 1049-1130, Tübingen 1977; H.W. Klewitz, Reformpapsttum und Kardinalkolleg, Darmstadt 1957; B. Zenker, Die Mitglieder des Kardinalkollegiums von 1130 bis 1159, Würzburg 1964; K. Ganzer, Die entwicklung des auswärtigen Kardinalats im hohen Mittelater, Tübingen 1963; W. Maleczek, Papst und Kardinalskolleg von 1191 bis 1216, Vienna 1984), the majority of the alleged cardinal-nephews prior to the end of 12th century should be eliminated from that list because there is no documentary proofs that they were related to popes that had created them; in some cases it has been established that the cardinal certainly wasn’t relative of his elevator; and some of them have been eliminated at all from the list of the cardinals. According to Maleczek, p. 248, many familiar denominations of the cardinals from that period and the statements about their relationships with the popes appear for the first time only in 16th century and have no or little scholar value.
Slightly more credible, but also uncertain, are the testimonies concerning Odon de Chatillon under Urban II (see Klewitz, p. 115), Guarino Foscari under Lucius II (Brixius, p. 51, but see also Maleczek, p. 248 note 283) and Cinzio Papareschi, nephew of Innocent II created by Adrian IV (Brixius, p. 114, but see also Maleczek, p. 248 note 283). Similar doubts concern also some nephews of the other popes. There is no evidence that cardinal listed as Pietro de Morra (under Innocent III) was really a member of the family of Gregory VIII (Maleczek, p. 150). Information that Goffredo Castiglione, future Pope Celestine IV, was nehpew of Urban III, is also not attested in the contemporary sources, but of much later origin [4] cf. Paravicini Bagliani, Agostino. Cardinali di curia e "familiae" cardinalizie. Dal 1227 al 1254. Padova 1972., vol. I, 32-40. Besides, modern scholars put into question several commonly accepted familiar denominations of the medieval popes. For example, it is almost certain that Honorius III was not Savelli (Maleczek, p. 111-112; [5]), and Eugenius III was not Paganelli (Brixius, p. 86; [6]). The alleged surnames of Alexander III (Bandinelli) and Lucius III (Allucingoli) are also dubious (Maleczek, p. 233 note 168; Brixius, p. 90). Several other false surnames were attributed to the cardinals of that period (examples by Hüls, p. 75-76, and Maleczek, p. 248 note 283). The real surnames of the cardinals of 12th century are known only in few cases. The false testimonies about the families of the popes and the cardinals resulted from the practice of the many historians of 15-18th century, who serving the Italian noble families, tried to establish the links between their protectors and some famous individuals of the past, including cardinals and popes. The good example is Onuphrio Panvinius (1530-1568), who served to the cardinal Giacomo Savelli; this was the first author who attributed Honorius III to the Savelli family [7]. Later, even the honest historians became the victims of these falsehoods. What do you think, what should we do with all this stuff? CarlosPn (talk) 17:50, 21 April 2009 (CET)
Papal election, August-September 1276 and "Pope-elect Gregory XI"See this account on papal election in 1276. It seems that the case of Vicedomino de Vicedominis as "pope-elect Gregory XI" is highly dubious... CarlosPn (talk) 12:20, 25 April 2009 (CET) File:Filippo Calandrini.jpgHello, I wonder why I can't upload on the french wiki the photo of Filippo Calandrini which you uploded on the en wiki and I can't even find it on commons Thanks for your tip Best regard --88.121.35.106 (talk) 20:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC) Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Inselian.jpgThank you for uploading File:Inselian.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Wikipedia:Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale. If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator within a few days in accordance with our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. ViperSnake151 Talk 20:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Thanks for the interesting addition. Shouldn't this new section on other papal tombs nearby have some intro that justifies it raison d'etre? "To support the theory that St. Peter's tomb is ..., there are other popes believed buried nearby." That sounds weak, but you get my drift. Also, the way I have worded it is also WP:OR since I don't know if that was a theory that was advanced to support the presence of Peter's tomb or not! Student7 (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
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Royalbroil 03:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Jacobus Gayetani"Jacobus Gayetani" is a cardinal Giacomo Gaetani Stefaneschi (1260/70-1341/43, cardinal-deacon of S. Giorgio from 1295), author of many liturgical works, incl. Ordo Romanus and De centesimo seu iubileo liber. This is his entry by S. Miranda, which provides also some other biographical links. There are some discrepancies concerning the year of his death (1341 or 1343). Depending on which of them is correct, he'd have been a participant in four or five papal conclaves between 1303 and 1334 or 1342 CarlosPn 3 June 2009, 11:00 (CET) Ten CommandmentsSavidan, I just wanted to let you know that I have addressed your comments for Ten Commandments in Roman Catholicism. Thank you for taking the time to come and review the article. I have inserted more information into History and Capital punishment sections per your advice. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, NancyHeise talk 03:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC) Boise homosexuality scandal tagged as NPOVThe above article has been tagged as NPOV. You had temporarily removed the tag while the article was on the main page and it has since been restored. If you have additional feedback it would very helpful in resolving the dispute. Otto4711 (talk) 05:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC) re:Cardinal-nephewsI think that the list after its transformation into table requires some technical corrections. Some comments that are now included in the footnotes could be moved to the column "notes". The symbols remarking doubts concerning cardinalate and relationship I'd place in the sections "date of elevation" and "relationship" respecively. I think it would be more readable. Concerning the completness of the list I can not say with absolute certainity that it's complete but I'd rather not excepct to find a new names. As I've already noticed you some time ago, the newest research would indicate rather reduction than expansion of the catalogs of papal relatives elevated to the cardinalate. For the "[[featured list]" it would good to create the entries of at least majority of the cardinal-nephews that do not exist today, and to expand those which are only stubs. Now I'm focus on my article about foreign cardinalate in the Middle Ages, which I'd like to make a "good article", but within few days I can engaged myself in the creation/expansion the entries of the cardinal-nephews. CarlosPn 12 June 2009, 21:45 (CET) File:Contestsite.jpg listed for deletionAn image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Contestsite.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. ViperSnake151 Talk 00:06, 13 June 2009 (UTC) You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors AssociationThe Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here - suggestions welcome. If you wish to be elected, please notify me here. If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here Discussion is here.Peter Damian (talk) 17:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC) TranslationHi!, I'd like to ask you for help. English is not my first language and I'm not sure about the title of my article "foreign cardinal". Sources that I've used for creation this article are almost excusively in German. The term originally proposed by Klaus Ganzer, Die Entwicklung... is auswärtiges Kardinalat. Auswärtig is generally translated as "foreign", but I've just noticed that Mary Stroll, Callixtus II (1119-1124). Pope born to rule, p. 325, used the term "external cardinal". What do you think, which translation option is better for describing this phenomenon: "foreign" or "external"? CarosPn 14 Jun 2009, 18:00 (CET) Santi Vincenzo e Anastasio a TreviThank you :) What attracted my attention to the article was the remarkable generosity of John Paul II to present it to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church. Not only is it a very beautiful Baroque church located in a very frequented area of Rome, but it's also historically notable. You're doing an awesome job with the excellent list of papal tombs, keep up the good work! Todor→Bozhinov 18:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC) DYK for List of tombs of antipopes
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Wizardman 08:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC) FYI, the name of the author cited in the reference doesn't match the name cited in the notes. Is it Lunt or Lund? LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 17:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC) Cardinal Muench-Hi! Many thanks for working on the Cardinal Muench article-RFD (talk) 12:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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BorgQueen (talk) 02:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Re: cardinal-nephewsI've included the language icons in the bibliographical section. About the silence of the sources concerning some cardinals I'd nevertheless defend these notes as they stand now. Prosopographies of the cardinals by Brixius, Klewitz, Zenker, Huls or that of Ganzer about the external cardinals were made as complete with the reference of respective periods or categories - as far as it is possible. Therefore, the fact that they omit someone from the list of cardinals, particularly when mention him otherwise, can be treated as evidence that they do not consider him a cardinal. Particularly Brixius, Klewitz and Huls explain in their works their methods of research. Also, they always examine the question of the origins of the cardinals; they make often detailed refutation of the statements of the older historiography, but sometimes only present a general conclusion. The works of Brixius and Zenker I've got in pdf formats - if you wish, I could send you them by e-mail. I'm going to create an article about "presumed cardinals" in the near future, which, I believe, would better highlight many of these questions. CarlosPn 7 Jul 2009 DYK nomination of Papal conclave, 1362
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re:Prospero ColonnaThe answer is simple - dean of the College of Cardinals is always in the rank of Cardinal-Bishop. Up to the pontificate of Paul VI dean was always the senior Cardinal-Bishop with seniority dating from the date of his appointment to the suburbicarian see (sometimes non-residents of the Roman Curia were excluded from succession - this was the case of Cardinal Pierre de Foix, bishop of Albano 1431-1464); see for this F. Bourkle-Young The election of Pope Alexander VI (1492) - note 49. In the account of conclave of 1447 Bourkle-Young explicitly calles Colonna archdeacon of the College (i.e. protodeacon). Prospero Colonna remained in the rank of cardinal-deacon until his death; as far as I know, he was never ordained to the priesthood (Prospero Colonna (entry by S. Miranda); K. Eubel, Hierarchia Catholica, vol. II, p. 6 no. I, 42). Being only a cardinal-deacon, he couldn't have assumed the post of the dean of the College, which was occupied by Cardinal Giovanni Berardi, bishop of Palestrina, from 1445 until 1449 (Giovanni Berardi (entry by S. Miranda); Lorenzo Cardella, Memorie storiche de' cardinali della Santa Romana Chiesa, Rome 1793, vol. III, pp. 70-71). Besides, according to Ludwig von Pastor, History of the Popes, London 1899, vol. 2, p. 11-12, cardinal Prospero Colonna announced the election of Nicholas V - this was a customary task of cardinal-protodeacon from at least 14th century. Trollope certainly confused these two posts - perhaps a confusion arose from the fact that Colonna was the longest-serving cardinal at that time. CarlosPn (talk) 23:00 (CET) 12 Jul 2009 DYK for Prospero Colonna (cardinal)
BorgQueen (talk) 21:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC) Thumbs upI commend your bold, gnome-like work amassing so many in-universe, plot-summary-laden collections of minutiae for AfD -- and then doing it again in smaller clusters :-]. Many of them I imagine could be addressed simply by creating a redirect -- after running many AfD gauntlets in a year or two, I've found a redirect with simple talk-page notice an effective way to get rid of some of this material. AfD then becomes useful for the redirect-reverters, since it offers up a clear timeline to get feedback and, almost always, consensus to redirect (sometimes offer a bit more of a token merge) to clear things out. Anyhow, we'll see how these AfDs go. I threw in a coooouple of redirects for articles you included in the mass AfD earlier. Where I know the franchise, I'll chime in and, for the most part, suggest (effectively) nuking this material through redirection. --EEMIV (talk) 02:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) are you aware that NOT#PLOT is currently under disucssion, and there is substantial sentiment towards amending it? I don't see you to have contributed to that discussion--I expect it would benefit from your participation. Jclemens (talk) 18:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
PROD of GSV Sleeper ServiceWhile I agree it has no place in Wikipedia, this article recently survived an AFD (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GSV Bora Horza Gobuchul), so it is probably ineligible for Proposed Deletion. If you would like to re-list it at AFD with the concerns you noted, I would of course endorse the deletion (especially since I believe it was kept for trivial procedural reasons). -RunningOnBrains(talk page) 04:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC) Babylon 5 stuffHi, I un-re-directed Battle of the Line, as there's probably a middle ground that amounts to a better article with less OR and plot details. The entire Babylon 5 series of articles is split into tiny articles that don't assert their own notability, and should really be incorporated into lists. I haven't the time to do this all by myself, but if you ever feel like taking a more systematic approach to cleaning up B5 stuff, give me a shout. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 07:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC) InvitationPlease see Talk:Radiance War. Debresser (talk) 10:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC) BTW, I made a mistake in the edit summary when reverting the redirect. I wasn't aware at the time that you had already withdrawn the AfD nomination. But to the essential point - that we need discussion and consensus - that doesn't matter. Debresser (talk) 10:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC) Pave the Way FoundationIn the deletion discussion for this article, it would help if you refrained from responding to others' comments as soon as they are made. Your point is clearly stated at the top of the page. Would you please let others engage in meaningful discussion so that a proper consensus can be achieved. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 23:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC) Regarding thisPlease note that I am in the process of sourcing and adding out of universe information cited in published books and therefore hope you might reconsider your stance. Thanks! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC) DYK for Robert Leiber
— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC) Papal electionsThe lenght of the elections would be no problem I think - the discrepancies concern very few cases. Besides, for the majority of the elections we can add simply this site as reference. More problematic would be the numbers of electors. For the elections before 1241 we've got little reliable data about the number and names of the participants. The lists published by Salvador Miranda on the cardinals' site for this period are taken from the very old opuscle of Alphonsus Ciacconius Vitae, et res gestae pontificum romanorum et S.R.E. Cardinalium, with only few corrections from Miranda's himself, and are no longer reliable because they contradict the established itinerars of many cardinals (e.g. Nicholas Breakspear is listed as participant in 1153, although he was legate in Scandinavia from 1152 until 1154; Guillaume of Palestrina is listed as elector in December 1124 though he was in Germany at that time, and such examples can be multiplied) CarlosPn · talk 11:40, 21 July 2009 (CET) This is an automated message from CorenSearchBot. I have performed a web search with the contents of Cardinal protectors of England, and it appears to be very similar to another Wikipedia page: Crown-cardinal. It is possible that you have accidentally duplicated contents, or made an error while creating the page— you might want to look at the pages and see if that is the case. If you are intentionally moving or duplicating content, please be sure you have followed the procedure at Wikipedia:Splitting by acknowledging the duplication of material in edit summary to preserve attribution history. This message was placed automatically, and it is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article and it would be appreciated if you could drop a note on the maintainer's talk page. CorenSearchBot (talk) 20:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC) Radiance WarWhy did you say there was not a clear merge target?. The main article would have been the merge target. And perhaps you should have given me time to answer after the first close?, not waited until there was one additional delete and closed DGG (talk) 12:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Papal conclave, September 1503
BorgQueen (talk) 18:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC) Template in The Deputy articleHi Savidan, I'm not certain if the "Pope Pius XII" template is fortunate in the Deputy article. The pope is occuring only once rather briefly in act IV of Hochhuth's play. I read the most recent scholarly / philological analysis of The Deputy in German these days (Heiner Teroerde: Politische Dramaturgien im geteilten Berlin. Soziale Imaginationen bei Erwin Piscator und Heiner Müller um 1960. Göttingen 2009). Teroerde convincingly shows that the role of the pope has strongly been overrated by contemporary audiences of the 1960s (admittedly, for comprehensible reasons). Teroerde claims that the author's concerns were to a large extent other ones than to 'bash' the Holy See (to accuse the continuing influence of fascist patterns of thought in (West-)German society of those days). In my view, the template is gradually misleading. However, if you prefer to keep it, I don't offend. --Diggindeeper (talk) 14:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Papal conclave, October 1503
Wikiproject:Did you know 18:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC) DYK nomination of Cardinal protector of England
DYK for Conclavist
BorgQueen (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Pope Pius XII and passportsThis is covered in the main article. I was under the impression you had just copy-and-pasted from there... Savidan 00:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Historical moralismI would like to make a comment on the historiographical debate surrounding the Pius XII question. I guess what strikes me the most about Pius XII's critics is that they seem to believe that history bears a definite moral message, and that anyone who dares contradict or oppose that message, at least whatever they deem it to be, can and must be condemned. It is a kind of historical idealism, similar to the writings of Hegel, which tends to oppose the notion of historical realism, where history assumes a passive character instead of an active one. Regarding the Holocaust, I do not think it can be qualified in primarily religious or moral terms, because of the very nature of history, which is a-religious and non-judgemental in terms of personal moral values. History cannot be personified nor can it be impersonated. On the other hand, powerful men are the real authors of history, and they alone carry the burden of personal responsibility, since they cannot lay their blame to anonymous forces such as Nature or Power. The Holocaust was certainly a conspiracy, but it was essentially a conspiracy of men, men who were acting out what they considered to be their definite moral ideal, which unfortunately involved killing Jews. Hence, we must not take it for granted that there is nothing intrinsically moral in history, lest we not repeat another drama like the Shoah. ADM (talk) 06:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
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