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Hello Sarah. I have been looking for a photo to put in the infobox of the Bobby Lennox article. Unfortunately, I can't seem to figure out which one I can or cannot use. I know they have to be fair use and not have a copyrite, but when I look at images such as these I can't figure out if they are or not. I notice you seem to use a different image on your page every few day's, so I'm hoping you can give me some advice. Thanks Titch Tucker (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry TT; the picture above is an automatic feed from the Wiki "picture of the day" - I don't actually put them up there myself! Sarah777 (talk) 19:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
As it happens, you are mistaken. I sent a handful of the articles to AfD where other people decided what to do with them. I believe some were merged, but not by me. Were you thinking of the categories? As for merging anything with Ireland, that would be a bad idea. It's already been split - History of, Geography of, Wildlife of, people, and so on - umpteen times. And if it was as easy as that, do you not think that the China article would already have banished Taiwan to a footnote somewhere and People's Republic of China would be a redirect? Angus McLellan(Talk)02:06, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I think it certainly should have. My point re Anglophonia exactly. The obvious location for the "China" is the article on the PRC. That's what the vast majority of people in 2008 mean when the say "China". That is what I'd expect when I type in "China". Not "this is an article on Chinese civilisation"!! If that is what the article is about than call it the ph**ing article "Chinese civilisation". Sarah777 (talk) 02:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Chipping in Sarah. That is strange, I just typed it in. The intro to the article even says it is commonly known as China. Wiki will never cease to amaze me. Titch Tucker (talk) 02:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Not strange; just biased. I can see that the task of ridding Wiki of conditioned systematic Anglo-American bias will be a long and arduous struggle. And I can only focus on my own wee corner to attack WP:BIAS and support WP:NPOV. Much as I'd like to help eliminate it in relation to India, China and elsewhere. Sarah777 (talk) 02:41, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
What do mean, Sarah, about this not being a bizarre social network? I always thought Wikipedia was just an elaborate front for a dating service. In fact, I came here just to meet men!--jeanne (talk) 12:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Sarah, I wish to thank you for the articulate, sincere, and beautifully-written defense of myself and the Barnstar which BigDunc so kindly awarded me. I do realise that you and I politically, are worlds apart. I have to confess that I strongly oppose the attack at Warrenpoint, especially as most of the victims were young lads, aged about 18, 19, and LtCol. David Blair was a Scots Highlander who was blown to bits while going to the aid of his wounded comrades. Having said that, I realise that you will not agree with my words. I had written to DagosNavy in a fit of temper having just fought with my Italian husband- yes, I realise you are half Italian, as are two of my children. I offered my profuse apologies to DN, and he graciously accepted them which for me should definitely close the matter. Sarah, it appears as if you and I are becoming the Josef K's of Wikipedia. The court in the attics are anonymous IPs. I want to thank you again from the bottom of my heart. Your gesture shows you to truly possess a noble character, your rejection of the system of monarchy notwithstanding. A hundred thousand thank-yous. Cheers.--jeanne (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Yw jeanne. I just think that accusations of "racism" are flung in all directions at ideas and opponents we don't like - I may have been guilty myself on occasions - but it is a poisonous thing to do unless the racism is clear and explicit. I don't for a moment believe you are racist; even following bloodlines and family trees of Kings and Queens doesn't make you racist - but odd maybe:)!! Sarah777 (talk) 11:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Apart from people like myself who have put photos of themselves on their user page, none of us knows whether an editor is black, white, Asian, Muslim, Jewish, Native American. I don't like incorrect information being published to suit political- correctedness. If that makes me a racist, then people have never looked that term up in the dictionary. I have never uttered a racial slur against anyone nor will I ever do so. If I dislike a person, I insult THEM not their race , religion or ethnicity. How many people have incorrectly called me an uncultured YANK (my mother's family fought for the Confederate Army not Union, therefore I AM NOT A YANK (Yankee))? Those people are never called racist or abusive.--jeanne (talk) 11:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I actually started to write a rather long winded speech, much of it agreeing with Sarahs points, (I could never articulate it as well as Sarah) but then decided not to on the basis that the ip would love this to run and run. It appears to me the ip is doing a bit of baiting and is waiting for a major reaction, and when they don't get one they'll wander off again. Titch Tucker (talk) 12:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Titch, I think it is a group of IPs, they have been harassing me for about 6 months now. I t's really annoying to find their messages on my talk page, especially as I spent days editing that nightmarish Caterina Sforza article. I broke down and fixed it Titch, as I figured someone had to do it, as it was completely illegible. Thanks for your support.--jeanne (talk) 13:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
There will be a backlash folks and my advice if you don't want this decision to be reversed is to engage in zero triumphalism of any sort. Sarah777 (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I must say I find User:Rockpockets intervention at User talk:Tariqabjotus page astonishing. Finally an Admin with enough courage to do what must be done if policy is to prevail and if this issue is ever to stabilise - and an Admin who (apparently) lacks that same fortitude intervenes to undermine him. Sad. Sarah777 (talk) 20:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Sarah, Tariqabjotu's interpretation of consensus would never have stuck unless he considered the other move discussions too. While everyone else was looking to get it overturned, I only asked that he read the rest of the discussion and then reconsider his interpretation. Thats what he did, and he came to the same conclusion. Which is absolutely fine, because unlike before, now it is fully informed. I am on record as stating that the current situation is my favored solution, but due process is important, irrespective of whether I agree with it or not. You would be screaming foul if he gave the wrong (in your opinion) interpretation based on reading only half the discussion, so your comments here seem pretty hypocritical. I suggest you go to Tariqabjotu, or another admin with enough "fortitude" for you, next time you require assistance. The only person doing any undermining here is you, by making that comment about me at multiple venues, none of which were my talk page. Rockpocket05:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
A bit churlish Rock? You and I and most parties involved were actively watching all those pages. I fail to see how you can be "offended" because I followed the flow and posted on A and C rather than B. There was no specific intent. Sarah777 (talk) 11:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
While I disagree with how this has been performed, at least the move of Ireland state, I do admire your (Ok, occasionally over reaching) passion and do admire what you have done. --Narson ~ Talk • 23:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
(Scratches head in puzzlement again) Didn't you want it changed to Ireland state? Your a good guy GD, but you puzzle the hell out of me. ;) Titch Tucker (talk) 23:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
My 2¢ is to leave it be for the time being. I've suggested an RFC be opened on the move. My opinion is that if Ireland is a dab page then there is no need for the "natural" disambiguation of 'Ireland (state)' to 'Republic of Ireland'. 'Ireland' is the name of the state and if we are dabbing 'Ireland' then 'Ireland (island)' and 'Ireland (state)' are the right way to go. Let's get opinion on the decision, it may fall down on the side of 'it happened, leave it be'. --89.101.221.42 (talk) 23:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
From the point of view of procedure it is fine. More haste less speed. So far Ireland remains the dab page and Ireland (island) which is a major advantage to article structure on the Wikipedia. (NOTE that I do not suggest that this result is a victory. I do however believe that it is the best thing for this set of articles.) -- Evertype·✆23:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
What are the metrics for the test? How measured (where do you get these stats?) - and who oversees the procedure etc. It should confirm my hypothesis all things being equal (if said hypothesis is correct, of course). Sarah777 (talk) 01:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Sarah, I must say, that's a very unusual image you have on your talk page today. I had imagined that you were not exactly a keen supporter of the US military and it's flying appendages. Or perhaps said image is a subliminal message on your part for other Wikipedia editors and anonymous IPs to beware! Sarah is in a militant humour today! LOL. BTW, are you a Libra?--jeanne (talk) 08:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Sleek, swift, beautifully-proportioned, expensive little toys. Cruel, seductive phantoms of the opera of life and, ultimately, death. Yes, they are exactly how Leon Uris described Ireland: A terrible beauty. Or I should say they HAVE a terrible beauty.--jeanne (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Which brings to mind the old joke; if women were organising car showrooms they'd be sorted by colour rather than the size of the gearstick :) Sarah777 (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Mind you, I was going through the List of towns and villages in the Republic of Ireland and piping the link to the list. Taking the opportunity to fix links, remove vandalism, copyedit, tidy etcetera as I went along. Amazing the amount of dust you find under the carpet. And half-way through they changed "List of towns" to "List of towns and villages" (much more accurate) and I had to start all over again. The life of the Wiki-drone is not an easy one. Now I see no further point in piping; for to what to pipe? - till this all settles down. Should the link at the bottom of each village page read See also - "List of towns and villages in
Ireland or List of towns and villages in Ireland (state)? I'd go with the latter; it is perfectly OK for a list title. Though there are lots of occaisions where RoI will read better than Ireland (state) - usually not in article titles - no need to be dogmatic - that's my motto. Sarah777 (talk) 18:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Celtic languages
Aww, don't say that! Ireland is definitely taking a step in the right direction by making it compulsary to a certain extent. I'm all for historic languages being taught more widely again. If I had access I'd consider learning it myself! :) Best, --Cameron*20:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
If you remember last year's election, both VK and David Lauder got tripped up for multivoting in ArbCom :P :) So far, so good on my side. SirFozzie (talk) 21:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Too late - I've voted. Jeez Foz, some folk think you are too soft on your Wiki-pals. Obviously they have never been stabbed in the back, yet :) Sarah777 (talk) 22:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Let's not go into history, Sarah :P :). You're unblocked, you're editing constructively, all is well, right? And ya, you're thinking of someone else. David was the one behind Sussexman, et all. (he still claims not, but multiple checkusers said yes, so, I'll take their word for it) SirFozzie (talk) 22:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking of an Arb who retired last year - sound old guy - David Userpage-featured-a-photo-of-himself-and-a-pal.....won't.....come....to.....me....agh!!!! Sarah777 (talk) 22:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I am reasonable, you know this. We've had run ins before, but generally most people have always ended up agreeing with my decisions after they've had a chance to calm down. Everyone can get hot tempered, you of all people know this, and sometimes it does need to be taken into account. I'm not unreasonable, I'm not an ogre, and I like to think I'm fair. I treat both sides in any conflict equally (and have in the past put temporary blocks on both sides of arguing peoples in order to get them to calm down and think.) I generally prefer an article lock for edit wars rather than blocks if possible, and I always, always, give people ample warnings when they're going to far. In the whole Ireland/England, Catholic/Protestant, Unionist/Nationalist debate I really don't have a side. Canterbury Tailtalk23:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of starting up my own religion , converting the whole world to it and bring peace to the world. Alternatively, I could bring all the religions together and make them see the futility of all the wars caused by it. I reckon the first alternative is more likely to work. :( Titch Tucker (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Wot you got against the name o Roy? That was the name of my favourite uncle. Told youse I came from a monarchist family, didn't I?--jeanne (talk) 10:08, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Well put it this way. In Canada the voters are no longer sure who our government is. It's the worlds biggest pissing contest, and is being conducted by 5 year olds. I watched about 45 minutes of the debate in the house between Harper and Dion and lost count of how many times the Speaker had to call the floor to order. It's hilarious, and practically identical to how the House of Commons in the UK works. Canterbury Tailtalk02:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I laughed when I read your comment. We are Canadians. An empassioned political discussion in Canada, outside the House of Commons, is about what you see between GoodDay and me on User talk:Titch Tucker at the end of the section titled "ArbCom Elections". Merely the fact that Canadians are discussing the political situation is a sign of very high feelings. In other words, nothing like the Ireland situation on Wiki. ៛ Bielle (talk) 21:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Play nice Sarah ;) I'm too ill today to think up something witty, so, imagine I did and chortle appropiatly. --Narson ~ Talk • 22:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Request for arbitration of Ireland article naming dispute
May I offer some advice? Sleep on this, write your statement tomorrow. It's a good thing it's got to the stage of this request. Now we have to make it a good request so that they agree to take the case. -- Evertype·✆20:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I have very little faith in Arbcom. Do you see the main reason now being given for maintaining the POV jungle is that they have managed to maintain it for so long (from the original imposition until yesterday!) that now because of the links it must stay there forever? What they are now saying is that regardless of any other reasoning the POV titles and negation of EWiki policy and standards must stay in place forever. Sarah777 (talk) 20:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
And Deacon (British) citing Angus (British) and Narson (British) in support of his wheel warring and pov is a hoot! Sarah777 (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, maybe you should be. Or maybe he thought you were - else where did he get "four, apart from himself"? Maybe DJ has become an Admin? btw, see Matt (British) has been blocked by an Admin for being "incivil" to...eh...the blocking Admin. Jesus H. Christ, but have we been here before? Sarah777 (talk) 21:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I have faith in Arbcom, because it's all there is. Our community cannot achieve consensus, because there are people here who do not wish to offer credible compromise. Patience. Make a good case. Stick to the case. Never mind the personalities. Arbcom by the way is not responsible for the admin blocking Matt for being uncivil. And in fairness, Matt was uncivil. -- Evertype·✆21:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Sadly I think Matt had got into that self destructive spiral. I was hoping he would be allowed to go on his wikileave before it got there. Meh. I /do/ admire how you guys got to a compromise Sarah. You shouldn't think I have any desire to slight what you achieved. Nor am I really a huge fan of RoI (I think I voted for RoI in the past when it was a straight RoI vs Ireland debate), it isn't the usage I have so I don't have a problem with the solution, just how it got done. The important thing is to get the issue sorted and buried. I guess my point is that not all of us are as British as we seem nor is that why we necessarily make decisions. You are an eloquent lady when you choose to be. --Narson ~ Talk • 21:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC) (ec)
I've put my two pfennigs on the issue, as it stands, I cannot see it being accepted due to the fact that ArbCom will not accept CONTENT disputes, which this invariably is. SirFozzie (talk) 21:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
And that will that leave us where? Looking for an Admin willing to revert Deacon's WP:WHEEL warring? Would that get this to Arbcom? I'd suggest this is now a wheel-warring dispute. Narson, as a victim in the past, I couldn't care less whether Matt was uncivil or not. The critical principle at stake here is the principle that Admins must not block editors they are in dispute with for incivility. Period. We can argue about the civility after Ben (or someone else) lifts the block. Till than I won't even discuss Matt's beheaviour. Sarah777 (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Sarah! Calm the bejezus down! This isn't how it works! (1) A request has been made to Arbcom to hear this case. You've been asked to make a short 500-word-or-less statement about why they should hear the case. It has NOTHING TO DO with reverting Deacon. Stop it! It doesn't MATTER that Deacon did what he did. We're escalating this. Now, calm down. Stop being angry. PLEASE. Go and read Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/How_to_present_a_case. Relax. Have a glass of wine. Tomorrow, give your support to my request (since I assume you DO want Arbcom to hear this case and make a decision). Arbcom is not some random Admins. It won't commit abuses. SIrFozzie is entitled to his opinion that Arbcom wouldn't and shouldn't hear the case. We are entitled to ours, and Arbcom decides. OK? -- Evertype·✆22:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey! I'm with you! But what Deacon and Ben did does matter, apart from the content issue. Sir F is a bit of an expert on these things so I'd neither be deflected from our path nor dismiss his opinion. And I'm not prepared to leave Matt hanging out there alone. Not my style. As for Arbcom, I have some previous there. They issued a bizarre and illogical ruling regarding myself, so I tend to remember those things:) Sarah777 (talk) 22:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Glad to hear it. Matt is understandably very angry and doesn't need salt poured in the wound. A bugger he is angry with me, we had got on in the past. Might I suggest that even if the arbcom rejects the case, a well advertised RM shold be done on the moves preferably on one of the pages? Or if preferred individual moves requests on each page (though that might then require a 'if any fails none go through' clause to avoid silly situations). --Narson ~ Talk • 22:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Fair play to him. Now - yes - Matt was uncivil and he could have been blocked by an outside Admin. (And he might apologise to Ben and recognise this - that's up to Matt - my own history is speckled with apologies). I guess my problem here is the Admin thingy; Matt was way more uncivil to myself and others without drawing any Admin sanctions (good, IMHO); but you say things like that to Admins (by no means just Ben) at your peril. That is not right.Sarah777 (talk) 23:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Who would be an admin, eh? It is a bugger than the issue keeps uninvolved admin away, or when they do get involved, they quickly get frustrated and go a bit beyond the pale. --Narson ~ Talk • 23:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC) (Edit conflict: I think Sarah gets that Good, she retracted calls for Ben to resign which I would take to mean she is saying he didn't have the COI)
Narson, I actually reckon you'd be a good Admin (despite some s**t calls at the ANI thread :) Ever think of going for it? Sarah777 (talk) 23:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually Ben has risen even higher in my estimation than before this and I was wrong about the COI. We really shouldn't be afraid to admit our mistakes on Wiki - In my case I make so many denial is futile! Sarah777 (talk) 23:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Heh. Pondered it. If only to see all the opposes to stack up. Well, commenting is one thing Sarah, I'd never get admin powers involved in Ireland articles I don't think. If we have learnt anything from the incompetant British handling of Ireland, we know that using authoritative powers in the dispute solves short term problem with long term consequences ;) --Narson ~ Talk • 23:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC) (EC) <r>
Heh. I'm sure I will get plenty of opposition. I've pissed off enough people ;) Especially American conspiracy nuts. --Narson ~ Talk • 10:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
<unindent>I think I remembered why I dont take an active interest in these articles. Why must everything come back to politics? Why can't be treat it as we would treat an article about cheese or a couple of athletes or any other? Blah. But no, lets have pages and pages on what the British or Irish governments say, because, really, that is definatly not going to lead to a log jam. --Narson ~ Talk • 21:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
And I thought Terry was a geek
Sarah, and here I was feeling embarrassed about my geeky men's hotel resident. Ankle-length checked trousers have got to be better than your guy's straggly beard and forehead tattoo. Sarah, where did you meet him? He looks weirder than Sexy Sadie.--jeanne (talk) 08:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't believe I gave you permission to use my photo and I shall see me lawyer about this. Of course, if you telegraph me a bundle of money I shall take this no further. PS: It was a bad hair, beard day, tattoo day. I'm not too bad when I scrub up. Titch Tucker (talk) 14:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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You said, If we must have rules to avoid warring etc then they need to be flexible enough allow the prose to flow. Maybe a table of examples?. I think this is a splendid idea, and a really practical step towards a solution (rather than the endless discussion about it). Even better would be a table ordered in preference, but, as you say, which we could move down depending on the context in the prose. Fancy coming up with one? Rockpocket18:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I think the best way to do that would be for me to look at what is said in various different articles and get a sense of common Wiki-usage (when it hasn't been 'forced' as part of the naming issue. I'll do some study and thinking in my little sandbox. Sarah777 (talk) 22:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Sarah, I think I'm gonna suffer from Pole-itis. I must have pasted my support 6 times within 4-weeks. Know where I can buy a straight jacket? GoodDay (talk) 02:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Nope, he is American - more or less the same, usually. But I reckon reverting an edit and then locking the article is serious Admon abuse. I think I'll tell him so. Sarah777 (talk) 23:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I like Secret's version (History of the British Isles). However, to my knowledge, there was no consensus reached to move it to that title. GoodDay (talk) 00:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
That version is not only contra consensus but is in breach of WP:NPOV. Sometimes I feel like the little boy with his finger in the POV dam here on Wiki. Sarah777 (talk) 00:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
You've lost me G'Day. I thought they were the democratic opposition and the other guys were depending on the Imperial British Queen to over-rule democracy? Sarah777 (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Hee hee. I'm looking forward to Jan 27, 2009. The thing that bugs me the most about the 40th Parliament's crises (news media luv that word, boosts ratings), is finding out that the Governor General & hubby, were on a European tour (paid by me & other Canadians). We need a President, a diplomat like Don Cherry. -- GoodDay (talk) 00:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I wonder what the most eloquent way of saying "have folk really got nothing better to do" is? And perhaps then one might add "I couldn't give a toss". Maybe. Perhaps. Sarah777 (talk) 21:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Formal logic is a branch of mathematics. Informal logic would be what everybody else talks about
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I'm going for (6) banaly uncivil. [1] Before criticizing Elonka further, you really should familiarize yourself with what actually happened. She did absolutely nothing wrong, and doesn't deserve any of this. Rockpocket02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
SHe doesn't deserve the grief she has attracted from editors who haven't read, or understood WP:AUTOBLOCK, and that you are using as a platform to further criticize her. All she did was block someone with a history of socking for a rock-solid 3RR, as any other admin would do. She has no way of knowing that the person's IP happened to be one that BT routed lots of British editors through, and that auto-blocking software did the rest, which means it is completely out of her hands. The exact same thing could, and would, have happened to any admin who reviewed that 3RR report.
You question Elonka's judgment for some past run-in, I expect, but she has never used it to impose any administrative action on you. I don't think it is appropriate to use that criticize her now, on the basis of a perfectly good 3RR block. Rockpocket02:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
My amended proposal
I have withdrawn my amendement - it was poorly thought out and obviously won't get support. I thought I was simplifying aspects of Mooretwin's proposal that were inhibiting discussion - the last thing I want to do is create more division. Scolaire (talk) 14:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
An early Christmas present which I'm afraid won't fit into your stocking
Ooops! Was away doing a bit of skiing before the World Ends. Forgot to reset my strike notice...thanks Jeanne, many happy returns. Sarah777 (talk) 02:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Skiing! How fun. I have never even so much as gone near a pair of skis in my life, let alone attempted the slopes. With my luck I'd have a heady encounter with a tree.--jeanne (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for making 2008 an interesting and enlightening year for me; at some point, our paths have crossed and I've found your comments amusing, helpful or thought-provoking—I'll let you guess which!
Wishing you and yours a joyous holiday season, and happiness, health and hopefulness in 2009. I trust you'll enjoy this little token, a favourite performance of Baby, it's Cold Outside, for your holiday amusement. Best, Risker (talk) 01:20, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Sarah, how is this name pronounced? Somehow, I think "Game-red-han" or "Game-reed-han" are not likely even close. Thanks ៛ Bielle (talk) 05:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Not sure, but based on my Connemara Irish I'd say something like "Game-rawn" or even "Gav-redawn" but I had never come across the name before. Sarah777 (talk) 09:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
And I'm not sure what "Connemara Irish" might mean, but appreciate that you have tried. If I get a more certain response, I will let you know. Thanks again and a Happy New year. ៛ Bielle (talk) 22:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Did you sneak off on a pleasure cruise with Titch and GoodDay to the tropics and forget to invite me?! Here I am freezing to death in the foothills of Mount Etna suffering and enduring one of the coldest and rainiest winters I can recall since coming to live in sunny?! Sicily.--jeanne (talk) 09:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
PS - its cold and frosty here too but nice and dry for a change. T'would be grand weather for picture-taking but I've got a glitchy camera - all these digital spondoolicks are just accidents waiting to happen. Sarah777 (talk) 09:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I know what you mean. I couldn't use Internet for about 10 days earlier this month as my son downloaded a programme with a virus. I couldn't navigate, I had articles to correct, and my computer had to be re-formatted.--jeanne (talk) 13:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm, and girls are all level headed and reasonable. ;) I've just had a phone call from my relatives in New Zealand wishing me a Happy New Year, most of them half cut. Kind of strange listening to them celebrating 2009, while I'm still living in the past. Still, never mind, I'll catch up later. Hope you have a good one. Titch Tucker (talk) 14:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Titch - at time of writing it is a quarter to three in the afternoon here. Its calm and sunny (in the very low slanting sense) and the temperature is a balmy 3 degrees (C!) The air is coming from the southeast which, give or take 1,300 miles means it just might be coming from Sicily! And 2009 is over 8 hours away. Don't say I don't keep y'all informed :) Sarah777 (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
You must admit, I do know an odd assortment of guys-from priests to men's hotel residents-and there are others that I cannot mention at all.--jeanne (talk) 15:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
And if Fozzie is out there I see another lovely picture-of-the-day if you blow it up. Eh....you see the exquisite detail. Sarah777 (talk) 04:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I've been there when it was dark like that, more like 2:00 A.M. though, but the distances are too far. Oh yeah, the signs I saw were in miles that night!! ww2censor (talk) 04:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Didn't I tell you they weren't going to tell you what it should be, hmm???? at least once this is over and everyone who disagrees with it has left Wikipedia in a huff over it, it will be quiet due to the fact it won't change for two more years per ArbCom (I think I'm kidding about everyone leaving. I think.) The 14 day thing is to agree to the method to decide it, not to actually decide it (IE, are we going to do a binding straw poll, a RFC and leave it up to uninvolved admins?, or something I haven't brought up). SirFozzie (talk) 05:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Where was the photo taken, Sarah? Ah, I remember when Ireland measured in miles (and Myles-but that's another story,not fit for delicate Wikipedia ears) Did you take it? It reminds me of one night back in 1981, after a group of us got off work at about half-three in the morning, and we somehow ended up in the country instead of Harold's Cross!--jeanne (talk) 12:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Has nothing whatsoever in being astute. There I was thinking you and I somehow knew the same Myles, and we weren't even on the same wavelength as they say in California.--jeanne (talk) 07:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Sarah, what's with you and the US military? Hmmm, I'm beginning to believe you really ARE a military groupie! Nothing like a dude in a uniform, eh? Probably why I find priests a turn-on-the black cassocks, purple stoles, and clerical collars definitely light my penny candle.--jeanne (talk) 08:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.
As a result of this case, the community is asked to open a new discussion for the purpose of obtaining agreement on a mechanism for assessing the consensus or majority view on the appropriate names for Ireland and related articles. If the discussion does not result in a reasonable degree of agreement on a procedure within 14 days, then the Arbitration Committee shall designate a panel of three uninvolved administrators to develop and supervise an appropriate procedure. Until such procedures are implemented Ireland and related articles shall remain at their current locations. Once the procedures are implemented, no further page moves discussions related to these articles shall be initiated for a period of 2 years.
Most interesting - is it me, or does this indicate "official" UK governmental policy? Either way, an interesting find Rashers! --HighKing (talk) 23:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
… the spellings of country names, as recommended by PCGN. This list reflects current British usage. Countries are arranged alphabetically under their common names. The official state title, (ie. the form used in formal, legal or diplomatic contexts), where different, is shown underneath and reflects the name used by the State itself. It is translated into English where necessary.
Seems to me as unambiguous as official texts ever get. The PCGN appears to be the body responsible for advising re. names at policy level.RashersTierney (talk) 23:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
This should be used as a final arbiter in the ongoing naming dispute on the Ireland page. Great find, Rashers. Hopefully it will put an end to the polemics involved over the correct name of Ireland.--jeanne (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Ireland page name poll
Hi Sarah777. Thank you for this, but would you please move the comment part of your post to the comment section? That will make it easier for other contributors to find the place where they want to add their sig. Re your question, yes the poll asks what the page named "Ireland" should contain. Hope this helps. --Una Smith (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
What is "It seems to me Rock that each time you get off the fence you jump right back onto it." all about, Sarah? It seems to me we both expressed a rather similar opinion on this. Like you, I don't believe much is going to be achieved by another round of indeterminate so-called discussions. Everything that is going to be said, has already been said. Like you, I expect, I fear that "more input" will result in a parroting of (what you might call) the Anglo-American POV. This issue requires a certain amount of insight or understanding to make an informed decision. I can foresee a situation where the larger number of British editors would support the ROI title without a second thought. Not because they have any ulterior anti-Irish motive, but simply because thats what they have always called it and they don't see what the big deal is.
I think we are actually very close to resolving this, all we need is for a mechanism where both sides can be encouraged to compromise and accept their second favorite choice (which, one would expect, is having Ireland as a disambig). We would still then need to find a title for the article about the State, but I really don't think there is much justification for ROI anymore and instead we could have an Ireland (state) / Ireland (island) solution.
Unfortunately, there is very little support being expressed for this. So what is one supposed to do? Drop out in protest or keep working, whatever the mechanism, to get a fair and binding solution? I don't see the latter as fence sitting. Rockpocket06:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Sarah, that move was out of process. Please see WP:RM and follow the instructions therein if you want to move it. (And for what it's worth, do so, and I'll support the move). BastunBaStun not BaTsun22:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
It seemed uncontroversial and restored an earlier move that was reverted for cranky reasons. I make page moves frequently in order to standardise names without any hassle. Sarah777 (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi I noticed your page move and I agree with it, so I set up the process for you so that the move can go through.AEHAS (talk) 23:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The problem with "process", as Bastun well knows, is that there is a permanent blocking majority supporting British POV in any name related Irish article. So I won't hold out for any quick resolution; Arbcom failed to reach any conclusions in their recent ajudication on the name of the "Ireland" article. It was what might be called spectacularily inclusive! Sarah777 (talk) 23:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I much prefer the painting of Marat after getting knifed in the bathtub by Charlotte Corday. The 18th- century, French version of Psycho. ("The Scream you hear will be Marat's"!!!!!) GoodDay, what is your opinion?--jeanne (talk) 07:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, glad to see you're back among us, Sarah. Maaaan (spoken with Southern California accent), you missed a good party on GoodDay's talk page. We had diverse guests such as Major Tom, Officer J.D. Tippit, and Lee Harvey Oswald. Titch also graced the party with his presence. You should have been THERE!--jeanne (talk) 09:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Re the Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles)/Ireland disambiguation task force - How does one join (in simple terms please!)...What page does one click on to etc. Many thanks. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 02:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
OK. First you must ask me on my page. I'll check your record on Ireland-related controversies. If you are made of the Right Stuff and are Our Kind of Guy I'll approve you. After that its just the rubber-stamping formalities. Sarah777 (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't reply on my talk page, but things are a bit gang aft agley at work at the moment. I've referenced the section on Anne Lovett, so you have some more ammo about keeping it (and thank Rock, he helped too) :D SirFozzie (talk) 15:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I hope you'll work with me on this; we've had discussions for a while now on the fact that the discussion on controversial words (terrorist, martyr, etc.) has been the "thing that ate WP:Words to avoid" for the past couple of years. It's become an impediment to watchlisting that very important style guideline, one of just 6 mentioned at WP:WIAGA, and one that's used a lot at WP:GAN, WP:GAR and WP:FAC. I took the liberty of moving your reply to the Dec 17 message at WT:WTA to a new home where I hope it will be happy, WT:Controversial articles. That's also a guideline, so it's not a "demotion" of the subject, just an attempt to split discussions on controversial words away from the rest of WP:Avoid. (Watchlisting a few days.) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 16:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to pop by and say hello. Hello. Just checking in to see if everything is okay with you. Any problems, just drop me a line. You can call on me anytime. Keep up the good work. Canterbury Tailtalk00:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Sarah, you really are a US military groupie. Too bad I no longer work on a base. I'd introduce you around to a few Navy pilots.--jeanne (talk) 15:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I've reverted the "politics" and "Supreme Court" edits as they appear to be contentious. The Common Travel Area is trickier as the dab argument is stronger there. Let me think about it! Sarah777 (talk) 23:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
No problem. With the rest of the page blank it looked like Jimbo changed his mind or something—that's what I thought when I first saw it, anyway. Cool HandLuke23:53, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I've seen you changed the page on Ratoath back to the way it was after the recent vandalism, well done!! However, you deleted my inclusions of two new websites in the sports clubs section, the GAA club and athletics club in Ratoath, these are good, relevent links so I hope you won't delete them in the future!! Also, any chance of updating the Ratoath page, there is a lot of other information that could be included, like compared to the Ashbourne page is is very small...local rivalry and all that haha!! Well done on the good work! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobmeister (talk • contribs) 23:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
My apologies - the vandal had sprinkled his "wit" all through the article so I went for the "nuclear option"! Never spotted the good links. As for the local rivalry no mere Dub would want to get caught between two Meathmen having a spat! Sarah777 (talk) 00:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I grew up in Corroy and so I have heard the legend behind the creation of Lough Conn and Lough Cullin. But I've really struggled to find a source for the tale. Are you aware of any? --Milesoneill (talk) 11:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
A bot will tell you in time but I didn't want an impersonal bot to be the first to tell you. Two of your images (File:IMG GCanalDock5618w.jpg and File:IMG MilleniumTowerGCD5615w.jpg) have now been transfered to Wikimedia Commons and can now be found at Commons:Category:Grand Canal Dock. They can still be used in exactly the same way as images here with the added advantage that they can also be used by ant sister wikis which need an image on the subject and reduces the number of images loaded to en:wiki. If you are happy to continue releasing images under GDFL, why not consider loading directly to Commons, the process is pretty much the same and with SUL you will probably already have an account at Commons.KTo288 (talk) 00:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
KTo, I have been loading directly to Commons for over a year now. I had a lot of earlier stuff that I uploaded to EN:Wiki and that includes the pics you refer to here. Sarah777 (talk) 20:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Sarah, sorry but I don't follow you. I haven't been editing the British nationalism page. i think you have me confuse with someone else? Jdorney (talk) 14:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
You should go to see the Celtic someday. Of course, they have banned most of the old songs now. Ah! standing in the jungle getting crushed while wee Jinky ran rings round the Rangers. Good memories! Jack forbes (talk) 00:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
There has been a big push in Scottish football to ban what is seen as sectarian songs in the grounds. Anyone caught on camera at Parkhead or Ibrox singing them have there season tickets confiscated. The songs are still sung at away grounds. Ps, there are no terraces at parkead now, it's all seating. Jack forbes (talk) 00:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm guessing, only guessing mind. You went to the San Siro on a tour during a holiday? Never mind the San Siro, I've been to Croke Park for a Gaelic football game. First time I've seen supporters standing for years. Oh, and Sarah, you should be ashamed of yourself, a good Irish girl like yourself never having been to Parkhead. :) Jack forbes (talk) 01:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry for replying so slowly, I am actually laughing too much to hit the right keys. I mean that literaly. Good on you Sarah, hit me where it hurts! Jack forbes (talk) 01:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Using Arbcom as a threat.
Sorry but I cannot let that pass, as such I've reported both of us to Arbcom. Using 1RR in such a way is probably not what it was intended for. --Blowdart | talk22:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
(Also, I can't see how anyone can remotely say I was "Using Arbcom as a threat")!! I think the guy is seriously confusing me and Domer. Sarah777 (talk) 23:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Arbcom, I've a season ticket! Or I should say had as I don't get invited as much. Get blocked now without the need for a hearing. --Domer48'fenian'14:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Sarah, I don't know whether or not you have heard it yet, but our good friend and fellow editor User:Titch Tucker has died. His son left the sad message yesterday on his talk page. He was a wonderful, kind person and is greatly missed.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Sarah, we need your powers of persuasion to convince our friend GoodDay not to retire from Wikipedia. He is one of the cleverest, most considerate, wittiest editors we've got here, and it'll be a great loss to the community should he continue with his plans. Please try to dissuade him from leaving. Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, somebody persuaded GoodDay as he has changed his mind about leaving (whew!) As regards his problem, I suggested that until he is able to obtain a laptop, he should put his computer on a prie-Dieu.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Ireland (Disambiguation)
Sarah, I've partially reverted, to try and get a middle ground edit in there. I've left out the part about Irish Republic being wrongly applied to the modern state, but sayig that something is the British name for a British state is a little odd and just reads wrong. I hope you will agree or at least consider my edit. Beyond that, hope all is well. --Narson ~ Talk • 20:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Sarah, the picture on your talk page makes me homesick-think I can pick out my old flat in the photo. Hasn't anyone invented a time machine yet? ah....California Dreamin.....--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Between you, me, and the entire Wikipedia community, I'm actually from the early 15th century. I personally witnessed the Battle of Agincourt. Montjoie! St. Denis! France!Cry God for Harry, England and St. George!.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Sarah, I am a German user und very busy in Irish topics (you can have a look here for the new articles I wrote if you like). I just want to say THANK YOU for all your pictures I so often use for my articles .... Thanks so much! Thomas from Berlin aka Qaswa (talk) 12:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Just thought I would mention that I am coming to the view that the ongoing RoI/IRL naming arbitration/mediation appears to be loosing credibility....No decision is being made. No end appears to be in sight. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 21:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
It's certainly starting to look like a ruse to stop the disruption by pretending that a process is in place to resolve the conflicting viewpoints, but in reality we're all sitting around waiting for the "mediator" to guide the dispute resolution and nothing is happening.... --HighKing (talk) 12:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I wish my qualifying text wasn't removed when I supported or opposed BrownHairedGirl's points. I gave the reasons for my support/opposition and these should not have been deleted as they were pertinent to my reply. I had said that for clarity's sake, Belfast and Omagh should be considered as part of Northern Ireland; as this has been deleted it appears as if I don't consider Omagh and Belfast to be, in essence, Irish. I don't like having my comments manipulated by others. It's like a deliberate mis-quote.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I entirely agree with HighKing re it is "starting to look like a ruse to stop the disruption".... No decision is a decision - a decision I disagree with. On the Talk: Foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland page, the fact that there is a "process ongoing" seems to being used as a reason to postpone discussion of these issues. I do not think it should be. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 23:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
