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User talk:Sam/Archive 7
Category structureI think your idea has merit; it worked fine for tagging cats as "self-reference" and such. I've created Wikipedia:Category structure for central discussion on the topic; please participate. Yours, (Radiant) 16:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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CovenantD?Hi Samuel, Just wanted to note that Daffy(whatever) who was the editor causing CovenantD's 3RR has been indefblocked per ANI. Would you consider lifting CovenantD's block in light of that? Syrthiss 16:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
DaffyDuck619You said to turn to you for support - well, here I am. It appears that Daffy619 is continuing to edit Wikipedia in defiance of his indef block[1]. As noted the IP's talk page, I am not the only editor to believe this is DaffyDuck619 nor is this the first time he's used the IP to violate a block. CovenantD 17:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC) Category overloadPlease check out Category:Health awareness days, Category:Observances, Category:Public health education, Category:Annual activist events. I've tagged them to recategorise into Category:Awareness Days. Please advise. FrummerThanThou 11:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I am open to your idea, which I think is desist from merging, prrclrly the actvsm. There is some overlapping going on. Public health education should go. I will be working on the category awareness days, if it should be renamed, so be it, the topic interests me at the moment and i plan to list all the awareness days. Whats your advice? frummer 05:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
WikilogosAlso I thought you might be interested in my proposal for Wikipedia to use logo variations created by members of the wiki community to mark national and international awareness days, Remembrance Days, notable anniversaries, and observance days. Please comment on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Logo Variations and on my talk page. Thanks! FrummerThanThou 11:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC) New day transclude for WP:CFDHi there ... for the past few months I've been doing the new day transclude at WP:CFD. This isn't a big deal, since midnight UTC happens around 4pm my time. However, as of tomorrow morning I'm leaving on a trip for a couple of weeks, expect to be back on the 30th. I'll probably still be around from time to time, they have the internet, even in Denver ... but I don't think I'll be able to do the new date thing again until I return. And I thought I'd let a few people know in advance, so people aren't waiting around for me to do it, or wondering why I stopped. – ProveIt (talk) 00:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC) {{convert}}Hey.. I didn't edit List of largest suspension bridges! You can check the page history. However, I did create {{convert}}. It hampers the simplicity of the conversion tool to add lots of optional parameters. For instance, there will eventually be a problem with US vs. UK spellings of conversions.. and like you said, over-linking. I'll go look at the parser functions that Wikimedia allows to see if there isn't a way to test if a link exists already on a page.. but that would get to be a horrendously complicated script. Also, per the WP:MOS, you need to use sourced data first and converted data last. It's nice if you can get all the source data to be in the same units, however.. .. per creating an optional parameter at the end, it would end up getting into 1 US/UK spellings, 2 link or no link (perhaps first figure linked, second not, and vice versa), 3 whether or not either term is abbreviated. As you can see, that's already 3 basic parameters.. 5 if you include differentiating between the first and second value. I wish there was a better way to do it. Cheers.. drumguy8800 C T 08:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The new image is nice, and has a better grain appearance than the original color negative scan that I contributed., I think that a better procedure would be to make a new image and change the article appropriately. Replacement of an image might be appropriate for a realy bad image. I would also cross reference the images by including a thumb in each. That way information is not lost along the way (Prevent Information Entropy). Multiple images might be collected into a gallery at some future time, should a specific article be created for this particular structure - Leonard G. 18:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC) German CategoriesHi Samuel, I think comparing the two categorization strategies is a great idea. But I would rather prefer to discuss that on the German wiki pages. I'm afraid many German authors will not join the discussion, otherwise. Thanks – Sparti 07:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
CovenantDGreetings. I'm contacting you re: this poster as you have had recent dealings with him and know his history. Unfortunately, CovenantD is in violation of the 3RR rule again, this time with regard to an image on the Avengers page. Despite being advised as to the reasons for an image change - a change endorsed by at least three people - he has reverted three times in something like 15 minutes. I asked him to hold off as more discussion was required with no success. In fact, his response was quite belligerent. I think that if the standard of the comic-related articles in general is to improve, this "my way or the highway" attitude needs to stop. Hope you can help. Asgardian 23:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Asgardian 23:48, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Good. Both of you should be discussing this with each other (civilly) and not with me. I hope you will both read WP:ROWN. If you would BOTH like, I'd be happy to try and mediate this, but I think you should try discussions with each other first. – Samuel Wantman 23:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
NoteYou may want to read this, which appears to be the origin of John's opposition to VIE. Indeed the deletion he mentions was overturned, but that does not imply that deletions are or should be decided by vote count, and despite John's claim VIE was never actually an argument in the deletion. FYI, HTH. >Radiant< 12:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC) 69.252.158.32Thank you for your actions and your note regarding 69.252.158.32 . It seems he has already returned as Kriminal99 (talk · contribs). He pretend that he is only a "friend of" 69.252.158.32 . I think a look at his contributions pretty much demolishes that idea. – Antaeus Feldspar 06:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC) Also, I should mention, this is an editor who has been to these pages before, under the IP address of 69.180.7.137 (talk · contribs) (I had almost forgotten about him, and had to look it up in the history of the pages once I realized it was the same one.) – Antaeus Feldspar 06:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC) ResponseCheckuser seems to have changed since the last time I requested one, so yes, help would be useful. I think this could end up at arb, but avoiding that would be useful. Ta for the tip. Steve block Talk 21:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC) Your deleting of commentsI left this on Haiduc's page, and am copying it here: Thank you for clarifying that, Samuel, but I still strongly disagree with anybody removing another's comments on a talk-page if they are not vandalism. In fact, Wiki has a policy against that. I would appreciate it if you would discuss that sort of change with a user before doing it, and give them the opportunity to make the change (or not) themselves. Jeffpw 00:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
2007We need an admin to update {{cfd}} and {{cfr}} ... I've already done {{cfm}} – ProveIt (talk) 01:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC) LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Hi Samuel. I had a question about the revert of my addition to the "Concert" section for Yanni Live at the Acropolis. Would this not be an acceptable addition to the article if I had an IMDb reference (Yanni Live at the Acropolis at IMDb), and an AllMovieGuide references as well? [2]. These references are acceptable according to the article "Film", so I'm wondering if what you mean is that the article pertains only to like "box office" films? Thanks, just wanting to clarify...
Yanni Live at the Acropolis (1994), recorded live at the Herodes Atticus Theatre, Athens, Greece, on September 25, 1993. It has continuously remained on the charts since its release, selling more than seven million copies worldwide, earning more than 35 platinum and gold albums, and rose to become the #2 best-selling music video of all time.[1][2][3] Cricket02 06:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
CatsPlease see my talk page. >Radiant< 13:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC) Speaking of EJBanks...Would you mind reviewing the contribution histories of EJBanks, Creepy Crawler, Dr. McGrew and Batman Fan? I think you'll conclude that they are the same person, based primarily on the types of categories each have created. The last three were eventually indef blocked as vandals for exactly this sort of behaviour. I've also asked Steve Block to look at it. CovenantD 10:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes I agree that those small sub categories could go in Category:Film series. Most films are American which is why I thought it appropriate to break up a category. Its just several years down the line the American film catrgory will be huge!! I was only trying to help. I do actually think it is best to keep categories as simple as possible but it was only because I beleived American films and English language films categories o be too large pretty soon. And also there are far far more many films produced every year than video games!!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 09:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC) Do you think alll American films should be categorized as American films? Its just the category American silent films has many films most not in the main category. I think they should be categorized in both so people browsing can distinguish the earlier silent films from the rest but also see the films in the main list Ernst Stavro Blofeld 10:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC) CatDiffuse templateI am willing to work on a language change to Template:CatDiffuse, if you are interested. Dr. Submillimeter 10:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC) CatDiffuseI think the best idea would be to check its whatlinkshere every now and then and make sure the tag only shows up in cats where it's appropriate. Frankly I don't think there's much point to the tag since most people don't read cat pages, just cat contents. >Radiant< 12:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC) wikistressI saw your kind words on Jeffpw's talk page. Thanks for spreading the wikilove. You might not know GMS508; this is another editor, newer but a valuable contributor, who's been troubled by the same issue as Jeffpw. Could you lend a soft word or two at User talk:GMS508? — coelacan talk – 21:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC) CategorizationHi Samuel, I appreciate your response regarding my vote at TfD. To my understanding, the categorization/article deletion process at German Wikipedia is quite different. Instead of there being a CfD area, they have created a de:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Kategorien, where a group of members will decide. Instead of there being a template asking that categories be diffused into subcats, there is often a message stating that no subcats should be created, like at de:Kategorie:Schauspieler (Category:Actors). Note the message Bitte im Unterschied zu allen anderen Wikipedias: Keine geographischen Unterkategorien wie [[Kategorie:Schauspieler (Vatikan)]] erstellen., (lit. "Contrary to all other Wikipedias, please create no geographical subcategories such as Category:Actors from Vatican City.") I saw at de:Kategorie:Säugetiere (Category:Mammals) the message in bold print Neue Kategorien sollten erst dann errichtet werden, wenn die Zahl der Artikel in einer bestehenden Kategorie die Zahl 100 überschreitet, um die Kategorienhierarchie so flach wie möglich zu halten. ("New categories should be first started when the number of articles in an existing category reaches over 100, in order to keep the category hierarchy as flat as possible.") There definitely is a general convention at German Wikipedia to keep category structure as "flat" as possible, and the many users there seem to have an understanding that this method is expected. If a too-specific category is created, the panel at WikiProjekt:Kategorien will usually decide to delete it. The English Wikipedia is more democratic in this regard. I will try to answer any questions about German Wikipedia categorization that you may have. - Gilliam (talk) 02:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Disappeared imageGreetings: I am requesting that you (as administrator) look into the disappearance of the image: Image:JellyfishAtMBA.jpg. I have displayed this on my user page since October 16th 2005 and it has gone to the bit bucket. While I can easily reload this, it seems strange to me that this should occur without notification (or even a viewable trail). Incidentally, I need to manuver a large number images into Commons (while also putting them in PD, rather than cc-sa) and would need to delete the old copies on WP. I would need admin privilages to do this - would you care to wield the mop, or alternatively, nominate me as admin? Thanks, - Leonard G. 05:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC) Oh wait - a sidbar image still displays this as Image:Mastigias-papua.jpg. at 08:30, 2 January 2007 User:Shyam Bihari moved it to commons under a new name and updated my user page, but did not catch the second entry. Perhaps an automated tool would be in order. Other requests above still apply. - Leonard G. 05:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very muchFor your words of support on my talk page. The support I have received from the community during my period of Wikistress has been invaluable. Though I am still a bit tense, I am feeling much better now. Jeffpw 06:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Ass to mouthI see you redirected Ass to mouth to Oral-anal contact, which itself redirects to Anal-oral contact. However, that redirect is inappropriate becuase (1) it is a double-redirect and most importantly (2) "Ass to mouth" is not synonymous with either of those other two terms. Ass to mouth involves inserting something, usually a penis, into someones ass, and then into their mouth. There is no contact between ass and mouth. Please reconsider your creation of the redirect. Thank you, Johntex\talk 09:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Would you like for the neutrality project to take this article on? Nina Odell 21:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Sexual intercourse - Proposed moveI want to thank you for your support of the proposed move. Would you please sign your vote? Also, I noticed that you seem to be fairly well-acquainted with Wikipedia's community of editors. I would like to know whether there are places other than the GLBT-related bulletin board that you created, where I could publicize this proposal. I feel pretty strongly about this issue and I would like to locate articulate individuals who can provide support. Thank you! Joie de Vivre 02:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC) Please revisit and considerThanks for your endorsement on the Category:Categories for deletion proposal, but be advised per User:Tim! and User:Submillimeter's point, I've modified my proposal. InviteI invite you to review and participate in WP:∫, to bring order to Wikipedia. Cwolfsheep 06:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Prove ItOne day I was trying to think up a good user name, and of course Eric was already taken. I wasn't sure I wanted to use my full name, and everything else I tried was taken. Then I remembered Dean Edell and his frequent complaint about how nutrition supplent companies aren't required to justify their claims ... His consistant challenge to them was Prove it. That reminded me of Wikepedia's insistance on verifyabilty and I thought it might make a good user name. It never occured to me that someone might read it as Pro Velt, I guess I'll have to change my signiture – Prove It (talk) 15:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC) Boo!
Category Tree to get listsRegarding the CfD on template:Catdiff, I wonder if the comments I made here help? If the "show all articles" feature of Category Tree were implemented, generating a list would be easy. You could then sort the list alphabetically to get the index. I agree that having software do this would be best, and overcategorisation is still a problem, but diffusing large categories does seem best at the moment. Such 'index lists' could be put in the page history of the main category page and linked from said category page. I'll demonstrate for Category:School massacres. Carcharoth 15:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I've also dropped off some comments at Wikipedia talk:Category types, using earthquakes as an example to illustrate the types. Carcharoth 10:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC) Good point about how my 'system' doesn't allow intersection. Actually, my 'system' is just a way for me to regenerate index lists from categories that have been diffused and diluted to the point of being useless. I wanted a list of all the earthquake articles, and this was the only way I could think of doing that. Under your system, an earthquake would appear in both the index category and the navigation categories. My system is basically just digging down a few levels and unifying the categories to create a list. This might be needed as a way to repopulate the index categories that have been diffused. In a well-organised system, the index category could be generated automatically by saying: list all the articles in the earthquake 'by country', 'by century' and 'by type' categories. At the moment, this generates false hits as some of these categories contain subcategories that are subject categories, such as Category:2004 Indian Ocean earthquake. I actually want to start using those tags at Wikipedia:Category types. Are they ready to go yet, or should I wait a bit longer? Carcharoth 11:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Ignoring youActually, thinking about it. You have a tendency to ask difficult questions, and I can't make up a snap answer to those :) >Radiant< 09:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
categoriesSo, do merged categories simply get deleted? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou, I'm deeply honoured. Give me time to finish the administrator's reading list and peer review Andrew Van de Kamp, and you can nominate me on January 19. That alright with you? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
re: my essayActually it is X is a Y that is really at the heart of my essay as in a sense, I disagree with the assertion :) If A is in article about X, a real world object or topic, then in most respects, the way we will categorise A would be the way we would categorise X, because A is any good it will contain all the information about X that is important. I would hope (!) that all the articles about the presidents of the United States would contain information about their presidencies, so there would never be the case where we would say: George Bush is the President, but his article doesn't mention the fact so we shall exclude him from the presidents category. The section of WP:OC which deals with non-defining or trivial characteristics says "If you could easily leave something out of a biography, it is not a defining characteristic". I would argue that, if something cannot be easily left out of the biography then it is probably something, which if there are other articles which share this characteristic, would form the basis of a categorisation. I agree that it is somewhat difficult to decide "where to draw the line", but not really that difficult if the basis for categorisation and inclusion is: does the article contain a substantial amount of information about the production in question? If the sole mention of the production is a line in the filmography list, that can be excluded. Anyway, thank you for the feedback on my essay, I have other thoughts which I am still trying to work into it at this time. I'm quite sure I'm not about to persuade anyone overnight of my scepticism of X is a Y, but hopefully I won't be dismissed as one of the "huge community of editors working on TV articles that get upset" ;p Tim! 09:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Cast membersThe category root is here. I don't think you should let my renaming stop you if you want to nominate them for deletion; if you wait for me it will take a couple of weeks, probably. >Radiant< 09:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
GreetingsI have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians working, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at [[Talk:Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians working|its talk page]]. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Xiner (talk, email) 18:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC) This is to inform you that the project page above of which you are a listed member is being considered for deletion. Please feel free to take part in the discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians working. Thank you. Badbilltucker 19:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC) More thoughts on Category typesActually, I'm having second thoughts about the design of the templates for category types. I agree totally with the concept, but I find the manual listing of parent cats, sub cats, and see also cats to be difficult to implement, and in any case would have to be updated if cats were renamed or moved around (to a different parent category, for instance). I think the templates should just stick to the non-bullet-pointed stuff. Incidentially, have you thought about using the tags to categorise the categories as "index categories", "navigational categories" etc? Or is that going to far? I suppose it would end up with Category:Subject index categories for politicians and Category:Subject index categories for scientists, and so on! Duplicating the current Category:Categories named after politicians and Category:Categories named after scientists. Carcharoth 12:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Please be careful what you sayPlease be careful what you say. I expected that my comment would lead to an intimidatory slur, but I made it anyway because I believe in free speech even on sensitive issues. Osomec 19:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Protocol questionIs it appropriate to comment on a user's vote in an RFA, or better not done? And do those who oversee RFAs check the status of those who are voting? I ask because someone has opposed Dev's nomination, but they have only been here a week, and already have been blocked and warned over various issues. I would like to comment on that, but don't want to violate protocols. And by the way, the user removed a support when he voted to oppose. I reinstated it and messaged the user about it. Jeffpw 14:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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