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Sir Please check and solved the problem

Dear sir please check the film link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umformung:_The_Transformation, This film is more then 32 awards wining film from India, and this film has more then 4 reliable sources including Times of India please check Google - (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Umformung-The-Transformation-reflects-the-extremes-of-our-society/articleshow/53861298.cms ) Sir i think for a personal reason any Wikipedia User deleted that article, even he proposal for delectation the film director too, Name of the director is - Sudeep Ranjan Sarkar, please check - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudeep_Ranjan_Sarkar Sir just type the Film and director name on Google they have lots of reliable sources, my humble request to you please recover the film article and save the director article from delectation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ritarko2015 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

First you need to read WP:NFILM you need about 4 in depth newspaper reviews (any language is fine), websites will not cut it, its reviews in national newspapers or nothing. If you can find 4 solid sources then the deletion can be challenged at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. You might also consider the Hindi wikipedia [[1]]. --Salix alba (talk): 06:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Sir please check -

1. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Umformung-The-Transformation-reflects-the-extremes-of-our-society/articleshow/53861298.cms 2. https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-monks-and-sex-workers-watch-premiere-of-film-umformung-the-transformation-2235405 3. https://www.mid-day.com/articles/two-intense-stories-in-one/17542156 4. http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31812&articlexml=Criminal-psychologists-directorial-debut-illustrates-Gautam-Buddhas-teachings-22082016106020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ritarko2015 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Looking at the refs

Ref 1 is so-so, a few facts about the director.

Ref 2 is weak. Its basically a monk saying "I like this film" not really a substantive review. Plus its before release.

Ref 3 is even weaker. It looks like a rehashed press release.

Ref 4 is similar, just some quotes from the director.

I think the operative words are "significant" and "independent". We want someone who has watched the film to give their unbiased opinion on it. Some quotes cut from a press release don't make it either significant or independent. We want box office figures, did this get a broad release or just a few showings at art-festivals. The lack of post release reviews leads me to think it probably sank without a trace, these films don't make it into Wikipedia. --Salix alba (talk): 19:30, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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The saga of Template:PlanetMath attribution

Hello Salix alba. I've been looking around for anyone who might have an interest in the PlanetMath templates. Your edit from June 2015 is the last change to the template text before this error message starts to appear: "Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{"". Maybe due to a software change since your last edit? I've been looking at these templates because PlanetMath is giving 'not found' errors on some of them. I tried updating one of the template instances for the Cramér–Wold theorem. Before my change, clicking on the PlanetMath template would generate "https://planetmath.org/node/33711" which got "The requested URL /node/33711 was not found on this server.", though I've scarcely begun to debug this. Maybe PlanetMath has changed their structure again? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:59, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The error message should not be a problem. When you view a template page none of the parameter are given values and sometimes the template makes no sense if they are unset. There is only really a problem if there is an error in a page the template is substitute into an article.

Now what has happened to the id parameter? Looking at https://planetmath.org/planetmath we get some more detailed instructions. But I can't seem to find anything about the correct format for using the id's. It might be worth asking on WT:WPM or on the PlanetMaths forums. --Salix alba (talk): 17:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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(1) Per WP:THANKLESS, I would like to operate in a more affirming way on Wikipedia. I began posting thanks to those who had offered support after realising I had engaged only with those who were opposed to, or made comments on, the move request. There is no intention towards ownership. However, in order to respect your position regarding posts to that Talk page, I wish to do the following:

(2) Thank you for your contribution to the East Timor move request. Te Karere (talk) 03:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

There is a mechanism for thanking people, via the notification system Wikipedia:Notifications/Thanks. Replying to every comment does not add anything to the debate, apart from showing a partisanship on you behalf. Jumping on every oppose comment creates a more conflictual atmosphere. It is the closing admin job to weight up all the comments and they can give less weight to comments with no supporting evidence. --Salix alba (talk): 06:03, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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Ecstatic dance

Hi, I see you commented on Talk:Ecstatic dance earlier this year. I've had a look at the article, its context and its contributors, and I think there's quite a serious problem which demands some thought and editorial consensus. Maybe you could take a look at the new discussion there? I'll post a note at WikiProject Dance. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:05, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind my following this up. I've successively cleaned up, added to, and rewritten the article to cover the subject; Sky himself has communicated with me and promises to look out some images. I'd be glad if you could take a look at the article and see what else I should be covering? Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:00, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I've been watching the edits. On the whole it looks good to me an we now have a decent article. --Salix alba (talk): 18:16, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Aw, thanks. Well, if you think of anything, let me know. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:21, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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Problem with Texvc2LaTeXBot

I have found a problem regarding Texvc2LaTeXBot: it is replacing % for \% even outside math environment, which causes trouble in the text. See, for instance, this diff. If you could fix it, I would appreciate it. Py4nf (talk) 22:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

We have tried to avoid such problems. I'll have a look at the code. I've not run the bot on the Portuguise wiki that eas done by @Debenben:. --Salix alba (talk): 19:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Py4nf: Thank you for letting us know and sorry for those mistakes in the last botrun. The error causing those wrong edits is fixed [2] and I reverted all wrong edits. The reason why this kind of error did not occur before is that the bot only operates on a pre-generated list of pages. Before, I generated this list of pages with my own script which did not list that page because it does not contain unescaped % within math tags and does not need to be edited. However my script did not catch all math tags, therefore I tried pywikibots tag-recognition library, which apparently also has problems, in this case it does not handle the self closing math tags <math /> correctly and listed that page, therefore the bot which also did not handle this correctly screwed up.

By the way, those self-closing math tags are nonsense left-over from some auto-translation tool, they should be deleted and the other broken math syntax should be deleted as well and replaced with the correct Spanish original.--Debenben (talk) 12:14, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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Hope you are fine and not too stressed and still happy to maintain the Texvc2LaTeXBot :)

I took your extractmaths.py script to search for maths in the latest database dumps because my previous awk script did not catch all math. Your script did not search the first line of articles, but that was easy to fix. I was also able to improve the performance a little bit and removed some functionality. The result is here: [3].

As you might have seen the mathwikibot.py got more complex and can now replace math in templates. So far I only know of dewikiversity that uses templates. Expanding all templates however would take too long for all projects and I have not seen it being used anywhere else, so maybe it is OK to not search the other projects for it.

I finished running the bot on all pages on all non-English speaking projects in those list. There was one problem with w:ar:ﻕﺎﻠﺑ:Chembox Formula/ﻢﻠﻌﺑ concerning the template replacement, one problem with w:de:Überführungszahl where the bot got stuck in a loop and three userpages with not-compiling LaTeX source code wrapped in math tags I did not want to replace, otherwise everything went smoothly. I left the English-speaking projects [4] for you, in principle you only have to make sure the bot has an account and permission to run, then "jsub mathwikibot.py" would be sufficient. The list also includes pages with nowiki etc. so not all pages in the list will be modified.

--Debenben (talk) 18:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes I'm still happy to work on this, but I've not been active of late. I'll get back to it, just need to workout how to log in again as my old computer died.

Good work on tidying up my script. I'm not suprise there were a a couple of problems, the ability of wikipedians to do wierd things seems unlimited. --Salix alba (talk): 19:51, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem, I was also not always that active lately. I am glad to hear that you did not loose interest in the project which would have been yet another huge setback and would have made me very sad.--Debenben (talk) 19:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Managed to get things running again. Had to change the script a bit as the first page I tried 3D rotation group had 100+ matching equations and the inner loop for nowiki pages was expensive. Running the nowiki regexp once sped things up a lot. --Salix alba (talk): 14:04, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Great, I completely overlooked that. It might fix the Problem with w:de:Überführungszahl.--Debenben (talk) 19:25, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

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Travis Perkins

Hi - I am not sure what is going on here but I made a few improvements to the article on Travis Perkins and substituted some independent citations for the old references citing the company website and you seem to have reverted my changes with the comment "Keyline Builders Merchants has nothing to do with the graphical concept of keylines or the agricutural technique." Please can you explain? Dormskirk (talk) 23:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

My mistake. I thought I was editing the most recent revision, but somehow I edited an older version before your changes. The link to Keyline is the wrong target. --Salix alba (talk): 07:52, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks for sorting this. Dormskirk (talk) 08:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

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There are two operators of the bot, I am responsible for the English language operations, and de:Benutzer:Debenben is responsible for the non-English language wikis including Turkish. He is probable best contacted on the German wiki. You should contact him about these edits. I do note one comment of the bot request page

Making minor edits to fix bugs is always welcome Face-smile.svg You may go ahead with follow-up runs whenever needed. --Superyetkinileti 15.55, 16 Ağustos 2019 (UTC)

This might have been interpreted as extended permission. The practicalities of this maintenance task is that we will need to periodically need to make low volume minor edit for some time to come.--Salix alba (talk): 04:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

We generally don't block harmless bots. However, since the Turkish Wikipedia has revision control, the pages that the bot changes are waiting to be approved. If your bot gets bot status, its changes don't need to be confirmed. It is a good idea to get bot status for forward. I will contact Debenben about this. Thanks. Uncitoyen (talk) 09:51, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

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Oscillator representation

Hi. I recognise you as a wikipedia mathematical editor and you probably also know that I am as well. In 2011 I wrote a long article "Oscillator representation." Today you decided to tag that article as a "recearch paper or journal". The article is mostly a careful summary of Folland's 1989 Annals Study, "Harmonic Analysis on Phase Space". The presentation and sourcing follow the usual way; but the material unsurprisingly is not dissimilar to Part III courses that I have previously lectured in Cambridge. Perhaps you did not mean to cause offence, but please could you be more careful? Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 13:51, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

To someone who does not know the topic it looks like a mass of unrelated formula and equations. There is no motivation as to why any of the sections are there, it jumps from Fourier transform to Harmonic oscillator, to Fock model, to Weyl calculus. Much of it seems to be short proofs of certain results, which is why I added the template to indicate the tone is more like a text book than an encyclopaedic article. --Salix alba (talk): 14:05, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Salix alba, your description "a mass of unrelated formula and equations" tells me more about you than the article. The article oscillator representation is not a "research topic" in any way. It is part of a well-established theory. For wikipedia I summarised part of Folland's 1989 book using the standard methods, taking the simple case of SL(2,R) rather than the more general symplectic group.

The theory is easy to understood in a nutshell: by the Stone von-Neumann Theorem, the Weil representation defines an infinite-dimensional unitary representation of SL(2,R) which can be extended to a semigroup of SL(2,C); the semigroup operation is described by the Weyl calculus. For more details, see Weil representation and the Stone-von Neumann theorem.

I have actually noticed that an IP has recently been carefully checking the article, formatting the formulas when needed. Perhaps because it was on my watchlist, I started rereading the article, beginning with the section on the maximality of the Moebius semigroup. Perhaps, I might tweak some parts of the article. Mathsci (talk) 18:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

It would be good to actually put that in the article. The lead and the Historical Overview can be followed. But then it launches in to SL(2,C) with no motivation as to why we need to look at that. The first sentence talks about "projective unitary representation of the symplectic group,". I would expect to at least see a definition of a projective unitary rep, and the simplest example of what one of these might be.

Before you start insulting people at least have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Wikipedia 1.0/Grading scheme, and the general Wikipedia:Content assessment. Point 6 of the Content assessment is

"The article presents its content in an appropriately understandable way. It is written with as broad an audience in mind as possible. Although Wikipedia is more than just a general encyclopedia, the article should not assume unnecessary technical background and technical terms should be explained or avoided where possible."

Firstly what is the audience you have in mind? Of course its not going to be the general reader, or even a math undergraduate. But I would have though a beginning postgrad might be a reasonable starting level for the article. They might not be able to understand any detail but could follow some. Looking at WPM B-class criteria we have

"Useful to most, but not all, readers. An interested reader flipping through the article may feel that they generally understood the topic. However, it may not be as accessible as it could be, or it may be inadequate for a serious student or researcher trying to use the material, who might have trouble or risk error using the article in derivative work. "

I might count as an interested reader flipping through the article, but I'm sorry I do not feel I generally understand the topic. I don't even understand why 10 of the section are even connected to the topic. A simple question: why is a Fourier Transformation related to this topic. A B-class article might look like Representation theory not this.

--Salix alba (talk): 19:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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That redirect was created by User:R.e.b. He told me privately why he had stopped contributing to mathematics articles on wikipedia. But, presuming you know who the user is, why do you think the redirect was created?"

For one have you ever heard of WP:AGF and WP:NPA. Now I have no idea what R.e.b told you or how he presumes to know my motivations. What ever he told you sounds like a fiction, there was no big reason, no great bust up, I just got interested in other stuff, like working on User:Texvc2LaTeXBot. That's the reason I came across the article, I monitor mathematics syntax errors, spotted one created by the IP, fixed it, took a quick look at the article, and saw what at first glance looked like the dump of someones PhD thesis. --Salix alba (talk): 22:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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Nice one. Understanding Peano's surface has been something I've ment to do for a while now. --Salix alba (talk): 15:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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I'm sorry to cause any headache. But I'm trying to understand why you closed the ANI thread on Mathsci with "Mathsci has apologised for personal comments and reaffirmed a commitment to good behaviour". As you know, that only addresses part of others' (such as D.Lazard (talk · contribs)) problems, and none of mine. I think it must be exceptionally clear that I've engaged in good faith with him and made positive edits to the page itself. I feel that I've wasted many days on the talk page trying to talk to him, and as I'm sure you can see, he was mostly completely evasive on the actual points and misunderstanding the material. I don't see how you could expect an editor to the page to put up with it, and I don't see how it's a matter of personal comments or something that can be solved by affirming to behave well. Gumshoe2 (talk) 04:55, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

The main reason for closing was that I could not really see anything productive coming from leaving it open further. WP:ANI is really a forum for actions that require administrator action, such as blocking users, or possibly getting the user to agree to some statement. There are other measures with discretionary sanctions. No other administrator had contributed to the discussion and it looked unlikely that any other resolution was possible other than a procedural close for being a stale discussion.

Normally administrative actions follow some clear breach of policies, such as edit warring, or conduct issues. In comparison with many of the disputes I've seen, Differential geometry of surfaces is relatively mild, there has not been a hot edit war and reverts have fallen short of WP:3RR. Discussion on talk pages have been a little fractious, but again below the level at which administrative actions would normally be involved.

I could not see how your concerns could be translated into anything actionable. It might be possible to draft some form of wording, but

whether Mathsci would agree to it would be another matter.

Wikipedia is by no means a perfect system. The tools are somewhat limited and there are some problems like editors having far more time to devote than others, have no easy situation.

As to how to proceed, I would say there is a consensus for cutting down some of the articles. A clear description of a proposed change done through Wikipedia:Requests for comment, might work. There are a number of editors who might participate in that. --Salix alba (talk): 11:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi again, Salix alba. I was hoping not to see my username on your talk page, but ... Gumshoe2 seems to be unhappy at the outcome of the WP:ANI as you can see. However, Gumshoe2 has started making comments about my edits to the article symmetry of second derivatives, completed at the end of July. Out of the blue Gumshoe2 has suggested that he wants to revert all of my edits. He has also suggested that my edits might have involved plagiarism.[5] The article on mixed derivatives is part of something Taku is currently working on (Draft:Calculus on Euclidean space); it was an out-growth of content I created.

In my edits to symmetry of second derivatives I have changed the lay out and made clear that there were essentially 3 proofs; one of them is a classic proof by Camille Jordan from 1883. After reformatting the first proof, I gave two further proofs, one by Hörmander, another by Dieudonné. The second relies on the generalised mean value theorem. The third uses Fubini's theorem, which Dieudonné reproved using his 1939 technique of continuous partitions of unity. The history section of the article summarises an article by Higgins, written in 1940. It catalogues the numerous incorrect proofs, giving the counterexample of Lindelöf and then the correct proof of Herman Schwarz. D.Lazard writes [sic], if Mathsci start discussing in his usual way, this will allow to not answer to his out-of-subject comments. If he tries to restore the reverted version without a consensus on the talk page, and starts edit warring, then you can hope the help from other watchers of the talk page. I have put this page on my watch list. So, in case of an edit war, WP:3RR will be easier to invoke. [6] The two diffs indicate a failure to assume good faith. Gumshoe2 has made only 803 edits on wikipedia so far, so has not had very much experience as an editor. Mathsci (talk) 15:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Salix alba, it seems like there is a totally unambiguous case for disruptive editing on the talk page. Again, I am referring to my own interactions with mathsci, and am not referring to personal remarks or a prickly attitude, which I don't personally mind at all. It is at the point where I'm planning to avoid making any further edits on the page, as discussions with him have been a necessary, complete, and significant waste of time. There are still a large number of edits which should be made, and I can't see how they could be summarized in a single proposed change. Gumshoe2 (talk) 16:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Gumshoe2 is unfortunately continuing with his campaign. Here he has written about the History section of the article: It seems that his additions to the section transplant the entire source material in this way. I believe this would be quite bad in a student essay; as far as I can see, Wikipedia:Plagiarism doesn't explain standards for this kind of extensive copy-paste-modify. [7] The History section is a standard exercise in summarising and paraphrasing. A short article that was easy to summarise. I have quite a lot of experience of that. I have done it for French sources, e.g. with Auguste Pavie and Chateau of Vauvenargues. And several British sources like Keir Collection. I wote biographies of Robert Hall, Baron Roberthall, William G. Whittaker and Charles Sanford Terry (historian). The early sections of History of the race and intelligence controversy were largely written by me (using careful sourcing). There is carefully sourced history sections in Clavier-Übung where Gumshoe2 is cmpletely out of his depth. Gumshoe2 has made a series of number of serious accusations. Almost everything he has written seems completely inaccurate. Perhaps this is due to his inexperience as an editor. In these circumstances, however, I would prefer to discuss this in private with an arbitrator whom I know. Mathsci (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

D.Lazard has now started removing all my edits. D.Lazard has complained that there is a WP:COPYVIO. Howebver, this is a standrad paraphrase and summary.[8] Gumshoe2 has agreed with D.Lazard.[9] I would appear that D.Lazard is conducting himself in a WP:BATTLEGROUND mannner and that Gumshoe2 is acting as a tag team. Their strategy of gaiming WP:3RR has already been discussed on User talk:D.Lazard. Mathsci (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

As I've always said, I'd be delighted to have more commentators and observers. Please take it up with an administrator or other official channel. I'll make whatever comment or input they require. Gumshoe2 (talk) 17:39, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Salix alba, maybe I should have phrased this as an abstract question. Suppose there is a user who, for what looks like at least the past month, has been making inappropriate edits to pages, often reverts the edits of others who attempt to clarify the material by just saying things like "this edit was not helpful" or "too many changes", sends talk pages into walls of irrelevant directions, and displays a lack of understanding of much of the material he is editing, all while insisting upon his own preferred (sometimes flatly incorrect) point of view. Is there anything that could be done about such a user? I am genuinely asking, not as any kind of vendetta, but because I want to be able to determine whether it is worth my time to continue contributing to wikipedia.

On the level of the literal case at hand, I find it stunning, for instance, that nobody other than D.Lazard has even been willing to corroborate my description of Mathsci's behavior on the Surfaces talk page, beyond essentially saying that he ought to have a better attitude - leaving it to look to everyone else like there's just some high-level technical argument which they are unable to comment on. It seems to me that this is the very least that I could expect out of an administrator, especially one who has some mathematical training. Gumshoe2 (talk) 05:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I've made over 54,000 edits to wikipedia in articles covering a widea area. My recent edit have been to Riemannian connection in a surface, fundamental theorem of Riemmanian geometry, affine connection and symmetry of second derivatives. That covered some elementary topics: a Fubini-type theorem on Riemannian integration of continuous functions on a rectangle in 2D. (In the past I've given graduate lectures that have included material on abelian von Neumann algebras [≡ Lebesgue theory] and undergraduate lectures on Lebesgue theory using Tonelli's technique of quasi-continuous functions [bounded functions on an closed interval which are continuous off an open set of arbitratily small length].)

The continued grumblings of Gumshoe2 are reminiscent of comments Softlavender made in 2918 in other cicumstances, which involved discussions of "vendetta" and "hounding". (They took place on Newyorbrad's User talk page.) Gumshoe2's at the moment to the article and the talk page of symmetry of second derivaties have no positive aspects at all. Nothing he's writing at the moment seems to be aboutm improving wikipedia, quite the reverse.

Gumsshoe2 in act of vandalism has decided on his own without consensus to revert a hige of number if edit I made at the end of July 2020. Probably I will has discuss his edits with User:Newyorkbrad. Mathsci (talk) 08:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Basically you two knock it off. This is going the way of Dispute resolution, Mathsci (talk · contribs) has been through this before and knows its not a joyous process. Gumshoe2 (talk · contribs) is new to the project and might not realise that both participants in a dispute generally come off badly from the process. I would advise Gumshoe2 to view other cases at WP:ANI and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases.

There are two aspects to the dispute. Content and User Conduct. On content this now seems to range across a number of articles, there are questions here about how consensue can be reached over the general shape of articles and the quantity of technical material. If it was a simple content dispute then WP:RFC or WP:DNR might be appropriate. However the wide ranging nature of the dispute means this might not work. I'm not sure of the approprate process to resolve the content dispute. A clear description of the dispute would be the first step.

On user conduct there is plenty of mud to be thrown in both directions. Wikipedia:Ownership of content and WP:CONSENSUS loom large here. Mathsci has a tendancy to go on the offensive when chalenged, rather than actively seeking consensus. Appeals to his large edit count do not impress here, no user have a greater control over articles than any other.

The fact that Gumshoe2 seems to be following Mathsci about and has been lobying other to get involved, looks a bit like WP:FOLLOWING.

If things do go to WP:Dispute resolution then we might be looking at interaction bans, and possibly bans from certain topics.

Suggestions:

1. Read Wikipedia:No angry mastodons about the fight or flight instince and wikipedia.
2. Never post in anger, (I'm guilty of this myself and generally regret it)
3. Take a day or so off. Wikipedia won't fall apart if the text of an article is not properly cited for a day.
4. Do something different. There are plenty of other maths articles to work on
5. Try to focus on the content and not the person. Everything we do on wikipedia should focus on how to make wikipedia better, disputes tend to drain energy away from that goal.
6. Seek consensus.

If you try all those and things don't work we can move to formal dispute resolution.--Salix alba (talk): 12:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I have not been following Mathsci. I came to the Surfaces page because of Lazard’s post on WP:math, made some talk page comments but no article edits because of another Wp:Math link (in response to a post of mine), with that article leading to the Symmetry page, which I only edited because I found it to be particularly egregious. My “following” thus consists of two wiki pages. My comments on Lazard’s talk page speak for themselves; it is also clear that I did not lobby Lazard to involve himself. I think it is absolutely clear that I have tried to focus on content. I have done whatever I can to welcome the input of neutral observers- I have not asked any specific users for comment. I would strongly request formal dispute resolution. Gumshoe2 (talk) 14:45, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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I THINK YOU ARE RACIST AND HATE BLACK PEOPLE AND ARE TARGETING ME BECAUSE I AM BLACK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muranda wa She (talk • contribs)

I've also been on black lives matter protests. The only reason that I targeted the photos was that they are not suitable for an encylopedia, using special effects, like the sort of edge extraction you used, make it harder to see the actual details of the images. For encylopaedic purposed images like this one

is much better than the blury version. It could be further improved by better framing, the trees in the background add nothing to the image and make the important detail of the drum harder to see. As it does not have the special effects its suitable for use on commons, and I don't propose to delete it.

There are however problems of using the image of self-promotion WP:SELFPROMOTE. Images appearing in articles should be the best ones to illustate that topic. There are much better pictures of handpans availible, mainly because they have better framing, showing the drum in detail. Mentioning your own name in the captions and image titles is likely to lead to chalanges of self promotion.

If you are really keen to have a photo of you playing one of these drums work on getting one very good photo. You might also consider producing an audio clip. There is definitely encylopaedic value in hearing what one of these instruments sound like. --Salix alba (talk): 18:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT IMAGE, AT FIRST YOU ACCUSED ME OF POSTING BLURY IMAGES WITH A FILTER, NOW YOU CHANGE YOUR TONE AND TALK ABOUT TREES, ANYONE CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A MUSICIAN PLAYING HANDPAN IN THE IMAGE, THE FOCUS IS ON THE HANDPAN. PLEASE STOP HATING ME BECAUSE I AM A BLACK ARTIST, WHY ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY HAUNTING ALL MY IMAGES? YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY TARGETING ME...HAUNTING ME...I HAVE REPORTED YOU AND YOU MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE PLATFORM.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muranda wa She (talk • contribs) 18:32, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

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You opened this phab task about a rendering problem, which has sat mostly dormant since 2016. But after looking at a 2018 comment and looking at the source, I think it should be a really easy fix. However, I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to actually getting the fix put in. I left a comment on the task describing what I think should be changed, but I also have no idea if anyone will actually see it or not. So I'm letting you know here in case you have any better ideas about what to do next. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:02, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully getting small changes fixed should be a bit easier now. The task T207535 "Rendering of \oinit very dense" has recently been fixed after two years and some complex problem with the build system was resolved. We can see that fix works

${\displaystyle \oint _{C}\varphi \left(-{\dot {y}}\,dx+{\dot {x}}\,dy\right).}$

Compare [10].

Hopefully other small changes will be easier to fix now. I've tagged @Physikerwelt: who seems to be the main guy for getting maths fixes done. --Salix alba (talk): 03:49, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay, cool. I'll try to keep an eye out on phab, thanks. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:29, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

@Deacon Vorbis: it looks like proposed fixed has been implemented on the test server. If you want to run any tests, before things get pushed to production, now is the time. --Salix alba (talk): 13:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah, I just saw the activity. Everything I can think of seems fine on Chrome (except MathML, but as far as I've been able to find out, Chrome just doesn't want to support it anyway). I can't even use the test page on my version of Firefox, but I hardly ever use it and it's pretty outdated, so that may be why. Thanks again for looking at this. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Problems with Firefox should hopefully be fixed now. There was another bug {{phab|T263229}] which addressed that. --Salix alba (talk): 14:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

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To be a little clearer, she/he's fixed the format of many math pages and apparently didn't notice the deprecated format of the math tags. It also seemed to contain useful edits, and I thought it would be better to replace only the deprecated format of the math tags rather than simply undo the edits.--SilverMatsu (talk) 13:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

No problem, deprecated math tags are not that big a deal, it will be a long time until they cause problems. I do regularly run the bot or an AWB script to clean up the tags (and more keep appearing). I'll run a job soon. --Salix alba (talk): 17:03, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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Article s6 (init)

Good morning Salix alba. This article s6 (init) is as a draft, I think it should be published because it is relevant to the world of operating systems. Thank you very much. --Rstmnq1000 (talk) 02:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

First have a read of Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal just because it is part of the linux operating system does not mean it must have an article. Next look at Wikipedia:Notability I don't think it currently passes. Mear technical documentation are not enough to show its notability. Wikibooks might be a better place for this. --Salix alba (talk): 05:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

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Citoid script broken for cite journal?

Heya, I haven't been able to get the script work for any doi/pubmed/journal site urls for quite some time (months?) now. No error or debug output either. "regular" cite web type websites appear to work just fine however. Using the zotero browser extension + desktop application is slightly more complicated.. Any idea what might be wrong? Aethyta (talk) 15:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hi there, could you please explain how this qualifies as appropriate WP:ROLLBACKUSE? If you disagree that the article meets the criteria of WP:SDNONE, you're welcome to add a short description you feel is appropriate, but removing the Short description template is never appropriate except in the case of obvious vandalism, as every article should transclude it. Uhai (talk) 17:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, I was not aware of WP:SDNONE. --Salix alba (talk): 18:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

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This is a direct attributed quote from Rosenshine's original paper.[12] The source listed in the copyvio report [13] actually copied from the same source.

I've edited the text to make it clear that this is a direct quote.

I believe these quotes satisfy MOS:QUOTE Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. . The full set of ten points is needed to establish Rosenshines point of view, and establish the context. The wording is quite particular and any attempt to paraphrase would subtly alter the meaning. The second quote shows how Rosenshines has purposly altered the language over time. --Salix alba (talk): 15:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I tend to disagree as this seems a case of Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources: the quotes added are a significant part of the whole article, which counts 286 words of prose and 196 words of direct quotes. I would even argue that the quoted material is the core intellectual property of the author, and this is not a brief quotation [...] to illustrate a point but rather the equivalent of adding lyrics to an article about a pop song. Broc (talk) 16:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

It is very far from the full text. Rosenshine adds commentary in his paper which is 9 pages long.

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Alright, you convinced me :) Thanks for the fruitful discussion. Broc (talk) 16:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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