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I suppose this is technically correct, given that the only forms of allopathy still being practised are things like Unani and Ayurveda. Brunton (talk) 09:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
... shared a birthday, June 10th, though he never met him. My brother, (birthday june 8th) however, did. He was walking in Windsor Castle gardens with a ladyfriend once, and noticed a monkey bike parked against some bushes they were approaching. The bush moved and the Duke appeared, adjusting his fly, looked sheepish and apologised. My brothers friend said "That's OK sir, its your garden and you can piss where you want."
You deleted an edit that hyperlinked the D.O. to the Wikipedia page on medical degrees. Your rationale was that only in the US, DO is a medical degree and now where else in the world; the page read that D.O. is a medical degree offered by medical schools IN the United States. Where exactly did it claim otherwise? It didn’t say outside of the US. DO is a medical degree offered by the US, is there a lie in it? Were you aware that the D.O. is only offered by 37 medical schools in the US and this degree is not offered by any other schools in the world? These 37 schools exist as medical schools in the World Directory of Medical Schools. D.O. is also listed with MD in the medical degree page on Wiki. I do not see how this could not be “good” or misleading in any way. Iamdoctah (talk) 21:12, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Rabbie?
It wouldn’t be the first time he’s used fiction as a source (see [4]), but in this case it was just that he hadn’t read the source carefully enough to see that it obviously wasn’t Burns’s poetry. Google Books seems to have the wrong bibliographic info attached to it. Brunton (talk) 15:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
At this stage of the game, I must note that WP:AGF is not a suicide pact, and he's either being wilfully stupid, or he does not understand how stupid he appears. THere is a large possibility that his WP:CIR in english has prevented him from understanding though. Have you seen how truly awful the attempted english is in his latest joke article. Sigh.
Re Dorrock it should be deleted as "unsourceable" as as you have noted the sources he is trying to use are just unreliable, based on a silly error that nobody has noticed. -Roxy .wooF15:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
It’s a perennial problem with the largely 19th century sources he uses. There are likely to be variant spellings, spelling mistakes and typos in proper nouns, especially if, for example, English writers and printers are dealing with places in the far North of Scotland, or English writers are writing about the Indian subcontinent and terms originating there. Brunton (talk) 16:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
For a moment, I thought this section title was a misspelling of hyrdophobee as it is called in certain movies, and I couldn't help but notice the irony with Roxy's username. KoA (talk) 20:51, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
It might be better if you did not deliberately seek occasions to start an interaction with Rajivvasudev. And if you unavoidable do, don't use it to bait him further. I've left them a similar comment. DGG ( talk ) 04:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
That's interesting User talk:DGG. It feels like you are far, far more interested in people being nice to people than in creating a decent encyclopedia. Unbelieveable. -Roxy .wooF06:53, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
We will never create a decent encycopedia if we do not behave decently to each other, for it will drive off those who want to contribute material, leaving only those who want to fight. WP:NPA is every bit as much a pillar as WP:V. And, when I act as an admin, my concern is properly with behavior, not content. You may and should oppose the creation of bad content. You may not do it by being nasty to editors or provoking them to be nasty to you, regardless of their skill or competence or the quality of their work. The only safe rule is to never refer to another editor by name, or allude to their name, even if they do so to you. DGG ( talk ) 07:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Your insinuation that I want to fight is really not appreciated. I shall continue to try to improve the project, despite your chilling efforts. -Roxy .wooF08:26, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi Roxy, it's Felix again. I hope you may forgive me for promoting pseudoscience in the past. Thank you for the work that you do on Wikipedia! 😊 Félix An (talk) 22:02, 2 July 2021 (UTC) has given you a dove! Doves promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day happier. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a dove, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past (this fits perfectly) or a good friend. Cheers!
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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.RV (talk) 08:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
@331dot, @DGG,@GeneralNotability, @Bilby The redirect to Technical textile was valid when the performance (textiles) the original subject was absent. Even after a deletion attempt, the later article was decided to be kept. The relating name should be redirected to Performance (textiles) only.WP:R, WP:OTHERNAMES. Secondly, Technical textile is mere a classification whereas Performance (textiles) explains the performance characteristics and attributes of the Performance fabrics. Hence, It makes more sense to redirect it on performance (textiles). Kindly see. Thanks and regards RV (talk) 09:17, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Comment Once upon a time, the same user was unable to distinguish between these two articles.
A closer view at the history of the article shows that you are over and over again reverting other users! YOU should be banned for that! This article is not yours so that you can decide what is in the article and what not especially since you restore your biased, not neutral view point! What do you think gives you this authority? Shame on you! Ulmendorf (talk) 18:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
So YOU decide what is a personal statement and what quackery? Are you a physician that cares for patients with Civid-19? Can't you see your arrogance and presumptuousness? Ulmendorf (talk) 18:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Why do you close this discussion? Why don't you answer my questions? Have you considered the possibility that you are wrong and people like Dr. Kory right? What if ivermectin is really a potent drug against Covid-19? What would you say if it turns out that many people died and will die from Covid-19 because they are preventented from getting a helpfull drug? And this may be the the case because YOU helped to suppress a discussion between physisians about what's best for their patients?
Have you ever heard that the tabacco industry suppressed informations that made clear how bad smokings is for your health. What if the pharmaceutical industry wants to suppress a penny drug like ivermenctin because the want so sell their drug Remdesivir which is more than 3000 US$ a dose?
What if you are part of these possible evil machinations that may kill many, many old, disabled or sick people who could have been saved by a cheap und potent drug?
You should check that guy's contribs. I'm going through them now, and there are some serious issues with most of them. POV pushing, misrepresenting sources, etc. We've got a good-old-fashioned True Believer™ on our hands. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.13:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
I haven't looked, but I will. By way of explanation, I went to a boarding school and read a couple of Von Daniken books from the boarding house library by the age of 12. -Roxy the grumpy dog.wooF13:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Heh. I sought them out after reading about alien abductions and ancient astronauts, and seeing them mentioned. I discovered them when I was 14 or 15, and didn't realize they were BS until I was about 20. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.15:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Please review my edits for accuracy. But I'm certainly not a proponent of Hancock's ideas or pseudohistory, quite the opposite.
Once you actually read them, you'll find that I have consistently labeled pseudo history as such, when it wasn't before and changed the pseudohistory framing of many pages to a neural point of view.
Not sure why you got rid of the information I provided on endometriosis. I am an endometriosis patient myself, all information came from my doctor, and was checked + cited through Peer Reviewed Scientific Literature. That article is outdated and needed an update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wearemadeofstars (talk • contribs) 21:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Turmeric
Hey, I noticed that you reverted my reversion of another editor without providing a comment. Per WP:ENGVAR, English variation should be consistent within the same article. The rest of the article uses the American spelling of "flavor" and so it's against the MOS to have this one instance spelled with the British spelling. Please consider undoing your revert, and if you do revert other editors please indicate why in the edit summary. Thanks. --Chris(talk)16:16, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
The template is incorrect, it has been put up on the assumption I have a close relationship with the subject. I DONT.
How would you like me to prove this?
Hi, I have sought consensus on the AA battery talk page about adding the pronunciation "double-A," but no one has given an opinion. Could I ask you to give your vote (either way, of course) please? Thanks BrightOrion | talk08:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Edit warring
I added some content. You deleted it. I restored it. How am I guilty of edit warring but you are not, considering neither of us have reverted anything repeatedly? MarshallKe (talk) 16:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I see two additions. Two. That is one more than one. I see one reversion that I made. One. Only one of us has started an edit war, can you guess who? -Roxy the grumpy dog.wooF16:26, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
So you reverted once, and I reverted once, and because that equals two times that means you and I both have participated in an edit war. Does that sound accurate? MarshallKe (talk) 16:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I said to myself, "Self, don't get involved here." Yet here I am, responding, albeit days later. The next step after Roxy reverted the edit should have been for Marshal to seek consensus on the talk page by presenting their case for their edit and allowing the community to decide. The stable version of the article wins the day unless consensus is met through talk page discussion, at which point the new consensus version becomes the stable version, whether it is simply confirming the version of before or including the recent edit. A second reversion to the unstable version without gathering consensus is the very definition of edit warring. 1+1+1=3 which is one too many. --ARoseWolf16:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Clarification
Hello, Please can you clarify why you reverted my edit to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-level_laser_therapy as spam? Please note that the section ‘Names’ begins with "However LLLT has been marketed and researched under a number of other terms, including…" Erchonia are one of the largest manufacturers of low level laser technologies, and they market as 'non-thermal laser therapy', as can be witnessed on their UK website: https://www.erchonialasers.co.uk/ To my knowledge, they are the only company to do so, and as such, their website seems to be an appropriate source here? Many thanks, Drmaxbrown (talk) 05:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I am aware of the criteria, just wondering which one in particular you think applies in this case? If Erchonia are the only company that is advertising as 'non-thermal laser therapy', and the section is specifically about what names LLLT has been marketed under, is their website not a viable citation for the fact that LLLT has been marketed under 'non-thermal laser therapy? Or do you suggest instead to not include a citation here? Thank you Drmaxbrown (talk) 06:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Ha! Made that title look foreboding but really I just wanted to tell you that the doctor told me yesterday that I am officially in remission. I'll be discharged this week sometime, probably tomorrow. I'll have to hang out in town for a while so they can confirm I am in full remission before returning to my home in the wild but its looking very promising. My sister-in-law will be staying with me while I am here so I have company and someone to help me if I need it. My daughter will be here too so I am excited. I haven't been able to hold her in months. Anyway, you were so kind to me and I wanted to let you know the update. --ARoseWolf18:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Ha, I was just thinking about you before returning to my desk to find this. It's early Friday evening here, and I have "normal" white counts for the first time in five years, and I had a phone call from one of my senior carer Hospital based types telling me to expect a visit in the morning (saturday mind) from a nurse to obtain urgent blood samples as they are concerned about Tumour Lysis syndrome, inhales... Things have changed though since last time and nowadays dosage increases weekly, and the blood sample sites on my arms are bruised. but I'm OK, and personally doubt that TLS will be an immediate problem, so feel quite satisfied so far.
I'm really pleased to hear your news, and am now curious to know where you are in the world. I'll look at your user page when I've finished here, but for the record, I'm in the North East of England. Oh, and thanks for your concern, it's a lovely thing for you to have taken the time to write. Best wishes, -Roxy the grumpy dog.wooF19:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
I have bruises too. I am so tired. I'm ready to leave this place. I want my hair back (lol). It was so long and dark brown. I used to put pink and purple streaks in it because it stood out so well against my dark hair (lol). That was years ago when I lived in Haines. Btw, It doesn't surprise me that you were just thinking about me before returning to your desk. I fully anticipated that when I wrote. Please take care of yourself the best you can. Keep living and enjoying life, my friend. --ARoseWolf19:34, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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When we going horse riding? Don't forget the milk!!! (lol) Hope you are having a great week so far and everything is going your way. We just have to laugh a little on the occasion. Life it too short and I think it takes coming very close to it ending to see it sometimes. --ARoseWolf19:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Oh damnnit. Sorry to hear that. You'll be fine. Sending you virtual hugs and lots-o-love. My neutrophils have been holding steady. I've been back once now for testing and my red and white blood cells seem to be maturing but they cautioned me that relapses happen often and they rarely get all of the cancer with chemo so who knows. I'm just living life on the edge, haha!! I like it dangerous apparently. --ARoseWolf19:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
@ARoseWolf: I hoped you don't mind me adding you 2 to WP:Editors who may be confused as I feel like I may confuse you 2 since your names both start with Ro and you're both some sort of canine (of course, I am as well but my name is different enough that I don't think I would be confused with anyone but my inactive alt). ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000115:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Blaze The Wolf, being mistaken for Roxy? I am so flattered! Roxy is an amazing editor and a wonderful person. Strong and courageous. Not to mention Roxy is such a badass name. lol --ARoseWolf15:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
@ARoseWolf: I agree. My brain sometimes thinks you are Roxy just because of your similarity of your names. ALthough it might be because my brain has been very tired lately. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000115:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Blaze The Wolf, my brain goes on a complete vacation at times so don't feel bad. Hopefully I have good enough friends here to know when that happens it is just my insanity coming full circle and can talk me down. lol --ARoseWolf15:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Roxy the dog, I am concerned with the partisan depiction of Multiple Chemical Sensitivity in Wikipedia. MCS is a highly controversial illness, with researchers hotly divided. However, the views of only one side of the debate appear to control the narrative on Wikipedia's page. For example, when one searches Toxicant Induced Loss of Tolerance (TILT) in Wikipedia, you are automatically redirected to the MCS page. However, there is no mention of TILT anywhere on the MCS page. I discussed this on the talk page and everyone who participated in the discussion agreed that TILT should be added beside IEI. This was immediately undone by another user who had not participated in the discussion. This is just one example, overall the entire MCS page is full of unreferenced and improperly referenced opinion statements, some of which are completely false (eg, "unrecognized").
So I was hoping to initiate a dialogue with you. What is going on here? I thought Wikipedia was supposed to present a neutral point of view.Silliestchris (talk) 19:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Newcastle
Thanks for reverting the POV pushing on the Newcastle article. The same editor came back twice again to reinstate the same/similar content and I reverted twice but won't again due to 3RR. 10mmsocket (talk) 12:08, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Ah. I didn't actually know there were 2 different ways to spell it (I've always spelled it with a k (skeptical) but I never knew it was still correct to spell it with a c (sceptical) which google says is wrong). ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000116:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi Roxy the dog. Thanks for your notes on my edits for this page Soil Association. I am new to Wikipedia editing but keen to learn so that I can make acceptable edits to this page. As I mentioned, I am an employee of the organisation which would naturally raise suspicions about my impartiality. Understanding the purpose of Wikipedia articles I want to make sure that we can update the page, in an unbiased and factually correct way (with sources). Are you able to help? Thanks in advance. DanMor0806 (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
This is regarding the changes i made to the article David Gorski. I did not vandalise the page as you accused me of doing and i did not do any disruptive editing. I only removed a redundant source that didn't exactly support the topic. So please consider restoring my version.
I would like to know how Quentin Crisp's final memoir is an unreliable source? Since the piece cited (chapter one) is very clear about Crisp being a woman I can only assume that this is your issue with it, and therefore my edits.
- Lacybi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacybi (talk • contribs) 18:41, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Dear Roxy, I find the page on MCS to be inadequately referenced and several of the facts innaccurate and poorly cited. I am trying to constructively update this article with proper citation to show a more complete and up to date picture on the current understanding of MCS. I will not remove any citations, I only plan to add more knowledge to this article and properly cite where necessary.
Thank you,
Silliestchris, PhD candidate, Canada.
Welcome to the edit war
Since you joined the edit war on Andrographis paniculata, I'm gonna have to rope you in as well:
David Gorski and Desisters
Why did you remove my section on David Gorski's talk page talking about desisters, and his unwillingness to even acknowledge their existence? And then you label me a troll. Look, this is a serious issue. We're not even allowed to call pregnant women WOMEN any longer. You need to stop silencing the voices of those who don't share your worldview. This kind of nonsense (read a far more mean word than nonsense) is the reason I not longer donate to wikipedia. I won't donate to an organization that silences anyone to the right of Bernie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.35.187.158 (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Hey, in the last Ani thread things got quite heated and names and accusations were exchanged between us. I was quite hurt by them and imagine you may have been too. I'm sorry for my part in that. Would you agree to apologize, bury the hatchet, leave that behind us, and continue our own paths on the wiki? A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk23:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
If so, why do you ignore this and instead make comments like "Nonsense, my support goes to consensus. Your support has no reliable sources."[10]?
Can you explain to me what you mean with Why dont you take a long walk off a short pier?[11], and why this is not a personal attack?
Maybe I've missed something somewhere, maybe you've missed something, or maybe you're just having a bad day. In any case, I do feel very comfortable about this, so that's why I've come here to ask about it. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk☉)13:58, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Just know then that you have taken for yourself the right to bother me with your stonewalling and personal attack. Know that it's just not cool . ☿ Apaugasma (talk☉)18:09, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
I also have concerns about this edit. The topic area is already tense enough, and comments like that do nothing to move the discussion in a positive direction. I'll admit there are times I've also wanted to tell an editor to jump in a lake; it's a normal response. But if your making an edit just to tell someone to get lost, is that really useful for anyone? It just makes the thread longer and more hostile. Next time could you try taking more than 4 minutes to respond and give yourself some time to cool off before saying something you might regret? I think it will prevent problems in the long run. — Wug·a·po·des19:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Use of Twinkle to revert changes to Alexander Technique
Hello, I am new to the world of Wikipedia editing and thought to improve the content of the Wikipedia entry on the Alexander Technique as it has numerous deficiencies -- lack of clarity and lack of context among them. I noticed that not one half hour after making my initial edit, you reverted all of my changes. This wholesale and extremely rapid action seems to violate policies on Wikipedia. For instance under Twinkle it says "If a change is merely "unsatisfactory" in some way, undoing/reverting should not be the first response. Editors should either make a reasonable attempt to improve the change, or should simply leave it in place for future editors to improve." This was clearly not done.
The justification for the wholesale elimination of my edits was given by you as "Changes to lead unsupported by body text." That is false, and not only based on the fact that you could not have discerned that in so short a time. In any event, the remainder of the article is also in need of clarification and refinement, and it is my intention to edit the body text as well. This is a multi-step process and it is too big to do in one go, so I began at the beginning with the intention of continuing shortly to the remainder of the article.
Before I revert your reversion, I would appreciate some explanation of your conduct as an editor in this instance. Thank you for your assistance and consideration.
Chih Lo Lou (talk) 18:25, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I left a brief message on the double cloth talk page. I am not sure why you reverted my edit. It was simply dismissed as "inaccurate," and I would greatly appreciate it if you would care to address that. SpiralSource (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
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I think you might have accidentally deleted your own Alternative medicine talk page comment when you restored the accidentally deleted comment of Hob Gadling? Harold the Sheep (talk) 04:35, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Nope
"It's just like the night of the long knives here" implies I'm a Nazi killing other Nazis. I don't think you thought that comment through. I'd appreciate your removing that comment and not making another one like it. Thanks, Levivich14:26, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
The 1962 British "night of the long knives" is a reference to the Nazi one. I'll RPA it for you. Have a nice day. Levivich14:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
I remember it. I was having a nice day until I saw the usual suspects in the lynch mob. Sad that you guys can pick on some of the best we have. -Roxy the dog.wooF14:50, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
If you're old enough to remember 1962, you should have enough sense and experience to recognize a group of people using Wikipedia to self-promote; they are far from the best we have. Levivich14:58, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, you should be ashamed of yourself. COI, promotion and canvassing don't apply if you agree with an editor. And if you disagree you're a Nazi that murders other Nazis, or part of a mob performing extrajudicial executions. It's plain to see. Also, if you disagree with someone, civility need not apply. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:14, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
I had a discussion about categories with Johnpacklambert today. I hope that discussion continues after I am gone. That's not a "dispute" and I'm not looking for "an angle". His topic ban is what it is and his topic ban violations are indisputable. Don't make the mistake of thinking that I am out to "get" Johnpacklambert. He's doing this to himself. Frangible Round (talk) 23:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi Roxy! I'm glad to see you still popping up on my watchlist from time to time. You may not remember, but we first met many years ago when you were breaking up edit wars on Sarah Palin. You were actually a big help to me back then, when I was still learning the ropes, although you likely never knew it. I just wanted to drop by and say thanks for all you do for Wikipedia, and for your help in keeping articles BLP compliant. I hope you have a very happy holiday season, and may the coming year bring you happiness and joy. And, if you don't celebrate Christmas, then please take it as a Happy Hanukkah, a great Dhanu Sankranti, a blessed Hatsumode, a really good Saturday, or whatever holiday you want to insert there. Zaereth (talk) 08:21, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you so much for this greeting. Sarah Palin??? I dont remember that at all, though I do remember how annoyingly strange she appeared to me, and disconnected from the real world. Frankly I hope you are better at dealing with BLP's than I am. Seriously, I'm not the greatest example of an editor to follow when learning the ropes. Seems like you didn't learn any habits from me though, and I'm very glad I was a help. Seasons greetings, -Roxy the dog.wooF16:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia a great source of ignorance.
What Roxy the Dog is an exemplary example of the blindness and determined ignorance of the majority of people in the US. Why would someone prefer a Doctor of Medicine, taught to use drugs, over a doctor who want to use your body to heal itself!? Wake up folks! 24.254.130.77 (talk) 19:25, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Appeal to authority is what Wikipedia is all about. It is not the place to argue with what the authorities say. Further, Wikipedia accepts academic and scholarly authorities, not religious and dogmatic authorities. Anything else is original research. Rick Norwood (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Where is the consensus in discussion? Citing status quo is stonewalling when good faith BLP concerns have been raised. I implore you to self-revert under WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE and contribute to the discussion at [[12]] Morbidthoughts (talk) 19:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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Ping pong
I think you should probably self-revert on this - immediately restarting the game of ping pong a minute after the protection lapses when WP:BLPN shows there is ongoing discussion is not, I think, well judged. Best, Darren-Mtalk16:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
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Roxy, Tryptofish has brought you some yummy and restorative chicken soup. I hope you enjoy it. But if you prefer, you can exchange it for the alcoholic beverage or dog food of your choice. --Tfish
Just to clarify, I have had Chronic lymphocytic leukemia for longer than I have been a wikipedian. I have in fact survived longer than the median survival stats at the time I was diagnosed. The diff-trolls currently hanging around here could confirm that, but I doubt they have any interest. I've had two previous courses of chemotherapy, and am currently four months into my third. I shall be in the chemo chair on Thursday. I wont be shuffling any time soon, and I'm happy with results this time round so far. It's "chronic" see!
You are so strong, Roxy. I appreciate you so much and you just keep beating those odds, okay? My cancer was nothing like yours but I do remember days where all I could do was survive. I would write out notes to myself on my good days and would read them back to myself on the bad days. We each do what helps us get through it. In order to thrive we have to first survive. Keep fighting. --ARoseWolf14:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I endorse everything ARoseWolf just said. Roxy my friend, you have my warmest wishes to get well soon! (And there have been a lot of developments all of a sudden in the ArbCom case, very much in your favor, so you can probably disregard a lot of my doomsaying above. That Tryptofish person is such a Nervous Nellie!) --Tryptofish (talk) 18:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I've been in that chair many times Roxy. I'm sending you rays of sunshine from across the pond. Science kicks ass and we are stronger because of people like you and others that stand up to the crap that woo merchants keep trying to sell to venerable desperate people. You and I both know we aren't only talking about cancer cure crap. Stay strong and destress with a nice walk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgerbic (talk • contribs)
First off, I’m sorry this is happening to you, I appreciate your predicament as I’m no stranger to these sort of things. Whilst this is hypocritical of me to say, as I always champion and advice editors not to involve themselves too much when they are in your sort of predicament, but in this case I urge you to participate, Infact I urge you to take the advice of Tryptofish, what you want to do is take this as a learning curve, involve yourself in the case, take this moment to do a thorough self analysis, please do go there, analyze each diff presented against you and explain your thinking politely at the time you made the edit and do not try and defend any poor actions you may have taken the last thing you need to do is go there and double down. I also echo Bradv when they say you know better than this, you indeed do know better than to do some of the things you have done prior the Arbcom case. Having said, I refuse to believe that any case accepted at Arbcom has a predetermined outcome, no I refuse to believe this. Once again, remember to go there, be polite, sincerely take responsibility for your actions, sincerely promise to do better next time(you must mean it) and go about your normal editing. Once again I’m indeed sorry this is happening to you. Celestina007 (talk) 20:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I honestly do not want Roxy facing any sanctions, they have their bad days as with all editors, but in all their heart and head is in the right place. Celestina007 (talk) 23:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Hmmm. Before I went to bed last night there was a case request in which I was not a named party. I get up, at stupid o-clock, and I am a named party in an open case. Why is this, KevinL? -Roxy the dog.wooF05:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi Roxy, the drafting arbitrators included you as a party because they thought you are germane to the case, with its current (expanded) scope. Rest assured that being listed as a party is not a determination of misconduct; it is mostly an administrative measure, and gives you additional words at evidence. The drafting arbitrators are who you should ask if you would like users to be added to or removed from the party list. Best, KevinL (aka L235·t·c) 17:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
While I definitely have some thoughts based on the evidence presented at the case request, I will tell you that I don't really have a first impression of your conduct in this topic at the moment. Given the slightly expanded there was a sense that your involvement in the area would be germane to the case. That was enough for me to agree listing you as a party made sense. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:13, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Roxy, here is what I think, and I'm not going to whitewash anything. Oh, shit. I was concerned about this when I notified you (and Alexbrn) after nobody else did. I see that they added you, and ScottishFinnishRadish, as named parties. At its most simple, this is because ScottishFinnishRadish presented diffs of things that you posted, that were, in their opinion, not civil. Reading between the lines, this means that ArbCom, or at least the drafting Arbs whom you have pinged, have decided that they do, indeed, believe that you were incivil, and they are going to take a very serious look at whether or not they should throw the book at you. Now, the way the system works, they are soon going to say here that, no, no, Tryptofish got that wrong and ArbCom does not pre-judge cases and they routinely have named parties who are named without any likelihood of any fault being found. And, to be fair, some of the Arbs did say in accepting the case that they see this case as potentially being one where nobody will be sanctioned. But I've been around this rodeo enough times to know how this thing works, and you are potentially going to get slapped. As I said, I'm not sugar-coating anything.
So here is my advice. Do not take the approach that you are not going to participate. You have the right not to, but that always ends badly. The first thing that you need to do (and I really do not want to do it for you) is to look back at each of the diffs posted about you, and see if you feel like there was anything that had been directed at you prior to your post, that would help put what you said in context. (That's not the same as blaming someone else. It's just finding context.) Second, you have to make a choice between two options. Option 1 is to take the position that you feel sorry about what you said, and intend to be better about it in the future. In that option, you can post your own evidence, showing that context, and describe how that gave rise to a difficult discussion environment. Then note your own comments, and say that in hindsight you regret them and will try to do better. But only do that if you sincerely believe it; don't put on an act. Option 2 is to present that context as in the first option, but then go on to say that your own contributions should be understood in that context. You will have to walk a fine line between pointing out the wrongs of other editors but not doing WP:2WRONGS. That's your choice. I'll watch the case pages, and if you want more advice from me, I'll be happy to try. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your thoughts on this, I'm going to think about it for a while, and wait for any possible response from the two drafting arbs before commenting further. -Roxy the dog.wooF18:18, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
If Izno wants to reply, of course he can, but you've already had two sitting arbs answer your question. To set expectations most questions like this get only a single arb response, or even just a response from clerks. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:22, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Grasping at straws here, against how unfair this feels. Procedurally, My notification above is incorrect. How does this balance with potential action following this improperly followed procedure? -Roxy the dog.wooF16:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something else. You are, of course, correct that it was not accurate. It should have been. I will bring this to the attention of the clerks for the future. However, longstanding Arbitration Committee procedure has been to allow the committee to add parties to a case. This has, at times, even been done, with a fair amount of controversy, after the evidence phase has closed. The most recent example of where we added parties after the case request is our very last case, where based on evidence submitted we added 2 parties (and then extended the evidence phase to allow them a full amount of time to participate). Obviously by adding you at the opening of a case you are afforded the full scope of time to participate. Beyond that I will just reiterate my comment from above ...that I don't really have a first impression of your conduct in this topic at the moment. and will be looking at all evidence carefully as I work with Izno to draft the case and then work with the committee as a whole to vote. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Just an fyi that (unless something new sets me off) I'm probably done posting evidence of my own, and am unlikely to add any new evidence sections. So what happens from here on is up to you. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
At the moment I'm paying attention, but as happens when I pay attention at ARBCOM, my eyes are starting to glaze over. You have been very generous in your attitude towards me, and I thank you for that. Like Susan, I am overwhelmed by the pettyness. In real life, I wouldn't associate with such people, and I wont be stooping to their level here. I prefer to concentrate on important things, chemotherapy for instance. I wont be throwing my toys out of the pram yet though. -Roxy the dog.wooF10:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
You are, of course, very welcome with respect to whatever small efforts I have been able to make. I'm very sincerely concerned about what you said about chemotherapy. If that means you or a loved one, you have my best wishes. To the extent that you might care about editing here in that context, please do remember that I said with a lot of experience that not participating in an ArbCom case always ends badly. Beyond what I already said, it might help if you list positive content creation that you have done. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
I made a pertinant point in the section below. You also asked about my positive content creation. I haven't done any. That ship sailed more than fifty years ago when I realised that I have little or no writing ability. However, Doc James has thanked me on more than one occasion for being in the top 300 medical content editors. It would probably be fair to say that my biggest contribution to the project is plain and simple vandal fighting, nothing special, easier than mopping. I note that in my approx 30k edits, about half are to main article space, a quarter to Talkspace, and 16% to dramah boards. Some of my newbie protagonists could learn from this. -Roxy the dog.wooF16:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Your secret is safe with me, lol. I've done a lot of content creation, but I'm sure some people would question whether it was positive. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I am considering posting the following to the evidence bit ....
I am not, and have never been, a member of "GSoW" or "Guerilla Skeptics".
Much of my editing could be said to be co-ordinated by Talk pages, Noticeboards and Projects. I often vote at AfD's where I was canvassed by notifications on Project pages, as do many others. I do not co-ordinate off-wiki.
Note that in my "messing ... " comment, recently highlighted, I responded to an accusation of being in the pay of Google or Government. Context is always important. In full, it read "Neither Google nor Government, I'm just messing with your head."
I think that this is better than not posting anything. I don't, however, think that anyone believed that you were a member of GSoW, and I don't think that the "messing" part does anything to dispel the fact that you did say that you were messing with their heads. But I don't want to coach you on what to say or not say, and I'm glad that you did say something. I'll do what I can to keep the process from going off the rails, and I wish you good luck. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for this User:Tryptofish. Believe it or not, I'm not actually paying any attention there yet though I was of course aware of the discussion. In all my years here I have been very dissatisfied by the results of ARBCOM decisions, and Arbs themselves likewise have proved to be lacking in smarts. The chilling effects that individual Arbs have tried on me have made me very wary of taking part in their ramifications. I have therefore stayed away from involvement at that level. I dont know what to do with this Gerbic / GSoW case, (they've done nothing wrong), as I have been already been accused of being a Nazi in discussion surrounding this though I didn't invoke Godwin. -Roxy the dog.wooF19:20, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Sure, I've got no problem with the idea of staying far away from that. But I didn't like seeing someone post diffs of yours, and say that they didn't like them, without you being notified of it. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
That somebody has "nopinged" me all over dramah boards and admin Talk pages across the project. If they put some time, say at least as much time as they spend doing Dramah, into actually editing, they could perhaps improve the project !! -Roxy the dog.wooF19:32, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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I was just wondering why you reverted my edit. I thought my point made sense. I stated “Propagandist is a divisive term that should not be in the head section of this article. If you wish to put it in a better context in the criticism section then that should be fine, otherwise I would not recommend you add it to any article about any news broadcaster or political commentator. If you would like to start a section on the talk page of this article your more than welcome.” Shouldn’t we avoid words and phrases that can potentially be divisive, regardless if it is backed by sources or not? BigRed606 (talk) 19:39, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm tired, but as promised - Hanity is a propagandist imho, and I dont see it as a problem if correctly sourced. If wikipedia had called him a "Raging left-wing commy propagandist" then I might be troubled by the "raging left-wing commy" bit, but we dont, so I think it is OK.
Hey, Roxy, it looks to me like you got a very fair result. (You're welcome. ) If it holds up while the Arbs discuss it, I think that you will have dodged a bullet. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:55, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Believe it or not, it is Chemo day again, it has been four weeks. I'll take my ipad - I dont know if I should look straight away, or wait till I'm strapped in!! -Roxy the dog.wooF07:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Be well: that's what matters most. And don't worry over whether it's a "reminder" or a "warning", because they are two different names for what will have the same effect. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm pretty tired, and I've sat here for thirty minutes thinking about how to respond having slowly read through the thing. I dont think the outcome for myself will be unreasonable, but beyond that I think it would be out of place to comment, so I wont.
An arbitration case regarding Skepticism and coordinated editing has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
Rp2006 (talk·contribs) is warned against a battleground mentality and further incivility.
Rp2006 is indefinitely topic banned from edits related to living people associated with or of interest to scientific skepticism, broadly construed. This topic ban may be appealed after six months have elapsed and every six months thereafter.
Roxy the dog (talk·contribs) is warned to remain collegial in editing and interacting with others.
GSoW is advised that a presence on English Wikipedia, perhaps as its own WikiProject or as a task force of WikiProject Skepticism, will create more transparency and lessen some of the kinds of suspicion and conflict that preceded this case. It could also provide a place for the GSoW to get community feedback about its training which would increase its effectiveness.
