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Photo Permission Issue: BOARDING, Judith Weinshall Liberman Wikipedia Page
Hi Ronhjones. My Wikipedia mentor, User:DESiegel, recommended that I reach out to you for help regarding a photo I'm trying to get approved for a page I have in draft mode: Draft: Judith Weinshall Liberman. You contacted me yesterday (2018-06-05) regarding my issue with uploading a photo called BOARDING for use on the Judith Weinshall Liberman Wikipedia page. She has given me written (via email) permission to use the photo as she is the artist and the owner of the photo. Ms. Weinshall Liberman is legally blind, so I'm trying to figure out how I can best do the legwork to get the photo on the page. I know you said that there is an 80-day wait time on photo approvals — is that always the case? Is there any way around that — as in, is there some way I can speed up the process? I'm a new Wikipedia editor and I'm considerably baffled by the entire photo permissions process — it's the most confusing part of Wikipedia editing, by far.
I've had email correspondence with Permissions-Wikipedia Commons regarding BOARDING, and this is the assigned ticket number: Ticket#2018060710000077 If you get a free minute, can you please take a look at my correspondence with them to see what, if anything, can be done to get a speedy approval to use the image? I created my first Wikipedia page, Holocaust Wall Hangings a few months ago and didn't run into an issue with any of the photos on that page, so I'm unsure what I've done wrong this time around.
@George David NH:Oooooh, what a tangled web we weave... There were so many open tickets (I found 13) on your e-mail address (I hope I've found them all!) As they were all open - the images have not yet been approved. I've grabbed ownership of the earliest one (2018041410007775) and merged all the others into it (so grabbing ownership from the one that did get answered). A quick look has given me some ideas, I need to read through all the tickets this evening (it's 1pm now, and I'm off out) and come up with a plan. I'll e-mail you tonight. Ronhjones (Talk)12:01, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh yes, a tangled web I have certainly woven! How I've gotten things so jumbled up with my quest to find photo permission is one of life's great mysteries. I'm doing my best to figure out the uploading/approval process, and will eventually nail it so this doesn't happen with future articles. Thank you very much for taking the time to look into the situation and help me through it. I really appreciate it. George David NH (talk) 12:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
{{tps}} To add to the web, there are several other uploads to commons that are not tagged with OTRS templates (but whose license/source details are equivalent to the others that are). I'm not currently an OTRS agent to be able to help further. DMacks (talk) 13:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Sent you an email just now, but I'll post it here, too.
Thank you very much for doing some detective work for me (and for having a sense of humor). I appreciate that. I do need to give you a very long spade because if you have time to assist me, I need one more round of help/input/dirt digging. I'm not concerned about any of the Holocaust Wall Hanging photo submissions as I created that page and made it live a few months ago.
All I'm trying to accomplish is to get clearance to post BOARDING. I'd like to use it on a page I'm creating that's currently in draft mode: Judith Weinshall Liberman. Judith Weinshall Liberman owns both the BOARDING artwork and photo, and has given me written permission via email to post it — and I believe that I followed the submission request steps that permissions require. Ms. Liberman is 89 years old and legally blind, so I'm acting as her representative.
The information below applies to the painting that Ms. Liberman and I are trying to post (thanks for your research):
I'm unsure why permissions is not allowing me to use the BOARDING photo. Any additional help would be great. And appreciated. And I'd owe you one.
Note 1: I'm also posting the photos "Fire by Judith Weinshall Liberman.jpg" and "Judith Weinshall Liberman.png" (is this the portrait you're referring to?) on the Judith Weinshall Liberman page. I've coded these photos on the page and as of yet, they have not been removed.
Note 2: Can you go to Draft: Judith Weinshall Liberman and see what the photo statuses look like?
Note 3: Carla Jones is Judith Weinshall Liberman's website admin so that's probably how her name got involved in all of this. She has nothing to do with the current situation. George David NH (talk) 19:50, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Do you think we should just delete all the earlier tickets and start over again, submitting new permissions from Ms. Liberman to use "BOARDING," "FIRE," and her portrait? That way it will be on one ticket. What do you think? George David NH (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
None of the photos has an approved OTRS ticket, expect them to start vanishing at any time! There are a lot of photos on commons, and only a lowly few admins (ca. 250), but they will get there eventually, and commons is much more ruthless than here... There is probably a time counter on unapproved commons OTRS tickets - probably set to 90 days before it drops the photo into a category for overdue OTRS - I know the system here is the same - but the en-wiki permission queue is 149 days!
Quite some time ago, permissions stopped allowing forwarded e-mails. They must come directly from the copyright holder to OTRS.
c:File:Judith Weinshall Liberman.png is the problem. It's obviously not a selfie, so we need the permission from whoever took the image, or a copy of the written transfer of copyright from the photographer.
It's all on one ticket now. They were all merged onto 2018041410007775, they don't get deleted, adding more tickets will add more confusion, and you will still get the same issues.
Thank you very much.
1. I'll contact Weinshall Liberman as well as Carla Jones who may be able to assist with this.
2. Are you the one who merged them all on one ticket (2018041410007775) or was that done by OTRS?
3. What does OTRS stand for? I think knowing that may help me.
You've been great! I really appreciate your help. George David NH (talk) 01:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I merged them based on all the tickets I could find with the same e-mail address - 2018041410007837, 2018041910015721, 2018050110006119, 2018050110006146, 2018050110006155, 2018060610000319, 2018060610000337, 2018060610000471, 2018060610000481, 2018060610012155, 2018060710000077 - all now part of 2018041410007775. When a new e-mail arrived it is given a new ticket number and waits in the queue for someone to action it. If there is "[Ticket#<number>]" in the subject then it will add it to that e-mail train, and notify the ticket owner by e-mail.
Great. I'm beginning to understand all of this. I checked out the ORTS page and that's all making sense, too. Thanks again for your help. George David NH (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Good afternoon Ronhjones. I'm pretty much done writing the Wikipedia article Draft:Judith Weinshall Liberman and would like to make it live. I have not yet heard from anyone at en-wiki permissions — am I really looking at a possible 149 days for photo approval as you mentioned earlier? What I'm most confused about was the speed in which I was allowed to post images on Holocaust Wall Hangings (about a week) but in the case of this page, it may take around 149 days - and all the photos for this page come from the same source (Weinshall Liberman) as those at Holocaust Wall Hangings. To possibly speed up the process, Weinshall Liberman has provided me with a candid photo of her taken by her daughter — not a professional photographer. I submitted a request to use that freely licensed photo a few days ago. So is there a way I can post the images on Draft:Judith Weinshall Liberman and make the article live while noting somewhere that the photos are in a queue for acceptance with en-wiki permissions? Do I have to wait 5 months before I can launch the page? That doesn't make sense to me. Please advise. George David NH (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
@George David NH: If her daughter has taken a photo then she needs to upload it, otherwise we join the OTRS merry-go-round. No it won't be 149 days, because I merged all the tickets, so now they are all mine. But we cannot move forward until an e-mail arrives direct from Ms Liberman to OTRS - that's the rule - "no forwarded e-mails will be acceptable". Nothing will happen until that e-mail arrives (except eventually the images will get deleted as "OTRS no permission"). I refer you back to my suggestions in the e-mail. Ronhjones (Talk)22:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me and bearing with me. I'm trying to do this all on my own but I don't always understand what you're instructing me to do because I'm not yet familiar with some of the terminology. If you can walk me through the process a bit more, I should be able to move along without guidance on my next article. I think what you're saying is this: I need to contact Weinshall Liberman's daughter and have her contact OTRS directly stating that she gives permission to use the photo that she took as well as have her upload that photo to that email, and I also need to contact Weinshall Liberman and have her contact OTRS so she can directly give permission to use the photos BOARDING and Fire.
Questions:
1. How do they contact OTRS (what email address)? permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, correct?
2. Is there a form or format they should use when giving their consent and if so, where do I find it?
3. Include ticket# you created for me in email subject line, correct?
1. If the daughter took the photo, and she uploads it - she is the copyright holder and (normally) needs do no more. Her uploading the image and applying the license is enough permission. Note it all goes bad if that photo has been uploaded anywhere on the internet before uploading on Wikimedia.
2. The form is at c:COM:CONSENT or I can send a filled in one to her direct (I've seen her address in the e-mails) to just approve - remember there are more than two images at stake.
3. Any e-mail should have [Ticket#:2018041410007775] in the subject line.
The photo her daughter took has been used here: https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/judith-weinshall-liberman-54-life-art so I hope that isn't an issue. Part of the problem with getting permissions is that Weinshall Liberman lives alone and is legally blind and can hardly read anything on the computer. So having her fill these things out or handle anything on her end is tricky. I'll keep you posted how this all goes. Thank you very much! George David NH (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
@George David NH:Sad... Never upload an image anywhere if you want to upload it on commons. The first thing that commons editors do is a google image search. As soon as they find a match, it will get a copyright violation notice and be gone in less than an hour. She will have to use c:COM:CONSENT. As for the others, that is why I said I would send her a pre-filled form to just approve. Ronhjones (Talk)00:28, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
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I uploaded an album cover which was bot-reduced to <100,000 pixels, leaving an "Orphaned non-free revisions" template. RonBot flagged that template for human review ("human=yes"). I believe that the reduced version does the job, so that the original, over-large version should be deleted. How do I update so that original version does get deleted? Thanks. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 09:57, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
@Hobbes Goodyear: RonBot is a little fussy (it was asked to be...). The last two edits need to be "upload the new version" and "add reduce template", if someone makes a small edit after that, it will abort with "manual review" - those files appear in the admin's deletion "to do" list and get done in 24h. Ronhjones (Talk)12:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, you deleted "File:Blood Swept Lands And Seas Of Red 9 Aug 2014.JPG" on the grounds of "no free use rationale". I have little interest in becoming a copyright lawyer, so could you just tell me: in your opinion, would it have been possible to give a valid free use rationale for this image? If so, could you restore the image so that we can have a go? Thx, W. P. Uzer (talk) 14:53, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your help :) I've done my best to complete the rationale, I think the commons images are not valid replacements as they tend to get deleted (presuambly because they are not valid for free use, so the same would apply to any other similar image). Please let me know if you think more arguments should be added. W. P. Uzer (talk) 05:07, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
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Ronbot malfunction
Ron,
Your bot Ronbot doesn't seem to be working properly. It put in this after I twicealready reviewed the file as a human and didn't find any issues. Can you please help out?
@SNUGGUMS: I think I will have to change the title - I didn't set that bit up, it processes all files that need a revision delete, and if it does not like what it finds, it adds "manual review" - then it's down for an admin to do the revdel manually (or not) and remove the template. Ronhjones (Talk)15:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
you just g8'd File_talk:DavidDorward2018.jpg, was that a misclick or something? The file's still there and judging by the contents of the deleted talk page, the author sent in the consent form to OTRS meaning it's likely we don't actually need to delete anything (though if we do, we should delete the file first and not just the talk page surely). 78.28.45.127 (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
it's not uncommon to discuss issues with a file specific to a given wiki on the file's local talk and not on commons but I'll let it go as I obviously didn't come here because of the page but because of the lost help request posted on it... which I can see you're now addressing on the user's talk page so it's all good. Thank you. 78.28.45.127 (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Disruptive edits by recently blocked IP, block evasions, etc.
67.162.86.219 (talk·contribs) was recently blocked by yourself for disruptive edits. As soon as the block expired the account went back to making the same edits.
It's obvious to assume this is the same user. I assume this is a user who is alternating between a mobile network/device and a Wi-Fi connection/computer. They all need to be blocked immediately for disruptive editing and block evasion. R9tgokunks⯃21:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
FYI R9tgokunks, those aren't mobile IPs, they're a Comcast cable connection, and almost certainly the same connection as the IPv4 address. I've given both 67.162.86.219 and 2601:249:8300:62B1::/64 short blocks, but any admin should feel free to extend them if warranted. —DoRD (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
@Eastmain: Wait and see what it looks like when reduced. It should not be suitable for use in print - it's a non-free file and it's allowed use is only on the article page - if the appearance of the article is virtually unchanged then we have achieved the purpose. The image pages of non-free files are not indexed, so no-one will be looking for a print version here. Ronhjones (Talk)18:17, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
@Lingalanga: Nothing on our end to stop Google indexing. It can take a week or two - all down to Google (it's not allowed to index 5 million pages that quickly, or no-one would be able to see a page - all search engines have to crawl at a limited speed, which is set by the developers). Ronhjones (Talk)14:20, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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You blocked this account earlier today; may I suggest revdel'ing the ten edits made which place the addresses in the edit comments ([10])? I suspect those addresses (and indeed, the name) are not those of the editor, instead someone that is being harassed. Regards, Tarl N. (discuss) 00:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
@FlightTime: RonBot only removes succession boxes from music articles - i.e. they have a infobox album, infobox song or infobox single. (Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/RonBot 5), and no other infobox. This has "Infobox musical artist" so is therefore not being done. Your watchlist should go quiet, All the current pages have been sorted out. Ronhjones (Talk)20:24, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Looking at range block for 49.229.128.0/20 and 182.232.16.0/20. Might trap too many others, but if they want to play hard ball... Ronhjones (Talk)15:06, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
@Trafalk09: I see Special:Contributions/182.232.0.0/18 has been blocked. I make that ends at 182.232.63.255 - might not be enough, we'll see it it works. Suspect it might need a /17 - which would end at 182.232.127.255. I've done the 49.229.128.0/20 Ronhjones (Talk)00:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Not sure if it would be useful to start a sockpuppet investigation, per someone's suggestion on my talk page. Trafalk09 (talk) 21:31, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I see you blocked 86.99.216.50 earlier. I think there is another IP address being used as a possible sock puppet (86.99.21.159) as they've both edited on 2019 Pakistan Super League and have made similar edits.
Actually, just I was about to transfer, I noticed this was on Commons under the same file name but deleted. Seeing that you're a Commons admin, can you return c:File:Anti-Duhring_(German_edition).gif so that I can fix the license tag there and mark now-commons here? Sorry for the extra trouble. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:40, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
@Finnusertop: Commons was tiny version - looked like copy of reduced en version. Restored and temp renamed commons file, transferred en-file to commons with FTCG, then deleted small restored one as a duplicate. All yours Ronhjones (Talk)13:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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Hey Ronhjones! Hope you are well. I was wondering what you thought about an exclusion for RonBot Task #3 for files that are nominated for deletion. File:ViktorSotnikov.jpg would be an example of a file the bot would skip. This is to avoid supplementary messages regarding files that will likely end up being deleted anyway - what do you think? Thanks. Jon Kolbert (talk) 17:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
@Jon Kolbert: I did think of that before the bot approval (when I was tagging them all manually). I decided against it:
Some people upload a very big file. So we end up hosting a large non-free image for a week or more while the di/ffd/csd/appeals takes their course - I thought that was probably not a good idea, we should not host oversized images once discovered.
If the file subsequently stays, then the image is reduced already.
There are only an average of 70 new files a day, it takes DatBot6/RonBot2/RonBot4 (jpg.png/gif/svg) about 10 secs to reduce and upload a reduced image, so there nothing really to be saved - if they were all done manually - different story. The ones for manual reduce (tif/pdf/etc) are unlikely to be done before the deletion process ends, and if someone is doing them they will see the notice when they look at the page.
@Pppery: I've no idea. Is there a rule somewhere? It certainly never got mentioned in the Bot Approval. I always assumed that subst was done to "lock in" the message, where the message had the possibility to change in the future. I wrote the template just for the bot to add, and no plans to change it. Ronhjones (Talk)12:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello: Only one succession box was picked up in the latest run, so it seems that all have been removed. That one however was not actually a record chart box, but one for Grammy awards.[11] A 6/23 run also removed it, but was reverted by a user on 6/29. I think these can be fixed manually, but I left it as is for now.
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Add {{Nobots|deny=RonBot}} to the top of the article page, the bot will never edit the page - small issue there, if someone adds anther succession box.
We add a hidden command to the wanted succession box, and I'll tweak the code to check for it.
Repeated blanking of large amounts of cited material with no attempt at an explanation is not edit warring, it's simple vandalism. DuncanHill (talk) 21:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
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I see that you blocked Tonyjenkins450 (talk·contribs) a few weeks ago for disruptive editing. Several poor edits to professional wrestling pages came up on my watchlist last night and I warned him[15] that Wikipedia:General sanctions/Professional wrestling are now in effect and that would not be tolerated. He has since made this edit, incorrectly marked as minor, with poor grammar and content inappropriately changed. He has received four other warnings about unconstructive edits to wrestling articles.LM2000 (talk) 23:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
[account] you recently blocked for two weeks has learned nothing and straightaway has made 2 blatant vandalistic edits in the past 24 hours. R9tgokunks⯃07:15, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
13:30, 30 November 2016 - moved 20:43, 23 March 2018 Staphlubie (created as Draft:Prakash Neupane)
14:49, 8 March 2018 27.34.16.58
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19:43, 25 April 2016 PrakashNeupaneMusic (created as Web-based, and moved to Prakash Neupane)
I was under the impression that IPs cannot create - so the third entry is puzzling, but that's what the history line says! - (14:49, 8 March 2018 . . 27.34.16.58 (talk | block) (4,685 bytes) (Created page with '{{Infobox musical artist | name = Prakash Neupane | image = Prakash Neupane Singer.jpg | image_size = | background = so...') (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit)) Ronhjones (Talk)14:40, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for providing the history. Actually, the article in March was created by the IP in draft space who was admin shopping to get it accepted along with some users who are now blocked for sockpuppetry. Looking at the history of MTKASH, he was registered ten days after MAXNP(talk·contribs·deleted contribs·logs·filter log·block user·block log) was blocked and recreated their deleted article which I guess was almost the same as the previously deleted version. 10:48, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
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I wanted to give you a heads up that G3 specifically excludes articles about hoaxes such as Hook Island Sea Monster. I'm not going to contest it since the AFD was going that way anyway, but I just want to make sure we're doing things the right way as we sift through the sillier corners of the 'pedia. Let me know if you feel otherwise, I'm happy to discuss. Thanks –dlthewave☎02:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
You recently blocked this user for disruptive/unsourced editing. They are at it again, unchanged, from the account as well as a new IP, after Doug Weller anonblocked their orginal IP again. I'm still updating the Ani Discussion that I opened, but I'm not quite sure what I'd do to move that along. The editor seems to wait out their blocks (or find a new IP) and just continue as before. Averell (talk) 14:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
@Averell23: Looks like a load of socks to me. I've semi-protected the three pages they all seem to like. That will stop the IP editing. Also blocked the main account again. Ronhjones (Talk)15:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ron,
Last I checked there was no requirement to warn spambots - they are bots so it's not like they're going to stop. In any case, they've now been [16] glocked per my request to stewards. I only reported it in the interim since usually AIV is faster than waiting for a glock. This fits identical NSAMTR spambot pattersn. Thanks. CHRISSYMAD❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯15:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
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When you edit a link in the visual editor there will be two separate buttons to change which page the link goes to (target) or its text (label). [22][23]
On the mobile version you can find a link to an editor's contributions from their user page. Now this will work even if they haven't created a user page. [24]
When you edit a discussion on the mobile version you sometimes get your signature automatically added. This will now not happen if you have already added a signature manually. This is to avoid double signatures. [25]
When you look at Wikimedia code in Gerrit there will be a new interface. It is on by default for new users. This is also true for developers. This is to make it easier to understand what is happening. [27]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 July. It will be on all wikis from 12 July (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 10 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
Today all administrators can edit CSS and JavaScript for the entire wiki. There will be a new user group for editing CSS and JavaScript. Administrators will no longer automatically be able to do this. This is because it is a security risk when all administrator accounts can edit JavaScript even if they never plan to or do not know how it works. You can read more. [28]
Is it possible to turn off notifications by RonBot on my talk page, as it is taking over the page and making it harder to navigate? Thanks, Daylen (talk) 17:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't disagree with your decision to delete the image, as it seemed to be a copyright violation to me too. However, the image URL that you have provided in your deletion rationale is from a Wikipedia mirror. Just giving you a heads up, in case you want to provide a different rationale. —Gazoth (talk) 19:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I was created this draft to add information of a popular folk singer of Bangladesh named Sultana Yeasmin Laila who is a winner of a popular reality show named closeup1. So I wanted to publish the article via draft validation. but it is a matter of sorrow that (202.125.65.146) user have deleted this content and removed from submission. As a volunteer we need inspiration, hope none of expected such kind of behavior. There is no benefit to me and this person is not related to me. I had done this job as a voluntary work. For this why I have created and publish it again to make wikipedia more informative about her. This job has done before your declined the request made by the (202.125.65.146) user. So in this circumstances, I requested to remove this unnecessary draft Draft:Sultana Yeasmin Laila by deleting permanently. Thanks in advance.
Md. Giashuddin Chowdhury (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Ronhjones: Thanks a lot Sir for your help to delete the draft. If you don't mind I want to get help from you about my created new page Sultana Yeasmin Laila. I can't realize what is the problem I have done by this article. I have clarify the view of creation and references but the editing are so many time reverted. Please give a review to get rid of this problem in the talk section of the Talk:Sultana Yeasmin Laila page. Hope you will accept my invitation positively otherwise sorry to invite you for getting help. Thanks and regards... Md. Giashuddin Chowdhury (talk) 20:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi, would you be able to restore (and semi-protect) Kuthaliya Bora? G10 might have been applicable at the time of deletion, but the version of the article before the turmoil of the last couple of days seemed alright. – Uanfala (talk)17:38, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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You can now see a new log of pages being created at Special:Log/create. It includes pages which are later deleted. It is now available on all Wikimedia wikis except Commons and Wikidata. [31]
You can see how many pageviews a wiki had from specific countries. The Wikistats2 maps have now been updated. [32]
Changes later this week
Your watchlist will show changes from the last seven days instead of three. If you have already set a length preference it will not change. [33]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 17. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from July 18. It will be on all wikis from July 19 (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on July 17 at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on July 18 at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
Some articles have messages to readers about problems with the article. For example that it does not cite sources or might not be neutral. Readers do not see these messages on the mobile version. The developers now want to show them. You can read more and leave feedback.
You can use <inputbox> to create search boxes for specific pages. For example to search the archives of a community discussion page. Instead of prefix:Page name you will see a text that explains which pages are being searched. You can read more and leave feedback.
Unrelated to the other discussion, but as you are familiar with files I thought maybe you'd be the one to ask. File:Serie A logo (2018).png seems to be transparent on the file page, but shows up with a white background on Serie A. I tried to make an adjustment to see if it would fix the file, but somehow a red background then appeared (though only on the article and in the file history, but if you click on the image to view it looks normal). Any idea what the issue is? Thanks, S.A. Julio (talk) 07:21, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@S.A. Julio: There is a mix of transparent background and a white border. You "red" one shows what the transparent part covers. I've put it into PhotoShop and used the "Magic Eraser" to remove the big white border, so the transparent part in now bigger. Uploaded, it looks OK. Ronhjones (Talk)14:39, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@David J Johnson: Blocked. Note Geoloction does not work in UK. It will give you the address of some office of the ISP. Try 81.187.129.205 for size, it will tell you I'm in Surrey (I wish I could afford to have a house in Surrey...) - only a mere 270 miles out. Ronhjones (Talk)18:08, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
The Indian does not qualify as DM because the Indian is a vital part of the image (no matter how small). The rest of uniform is not copyrightable (utilitarian object, this particular depiction was released with Creative Commons license), except for the Indian. The Indian is already tiny on the full version. We can't separate the copyrighted Indian from the rest of the image, so we should follow the spirit of Wikipedia:Non-free content#Image resolution: the copyrighted part should be under 0.1 megapixels. There is no reason to scale down Creative Commons content. Alexis Jazz (talk) 21:28, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@Alexis Jazz: The whole image is under a non-free rationale. Therefore as per NF policy the only use of the image is in the article - unless you are showing the images at a bigger size in the article, there is no reason to have it oversized. There are plenty of these sports uniforms in non-free, and as far as I know they have all been set to the guideline size. Ronhjones (Talk)21:39, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
I made a compromise. The copyrighted portion is from the scaled down image. Not the whole image is under a non-free rationale, only the logo. Alexis Jazz (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@Alexis Jazz: We have thousands of NF images with only a portion of NF content - it's no different to that. I remind you that NF images are meant to be viewed only on the article. If we can't agree we'll have to go to FFD. Ronhjones (Talk)22:09, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Having a larger version is useful. If you click the uniforms in the article, the image viewer opens and shows the Creative Commons licensed uniforms with more detail. If I selected the wrong license or tags, please tell me. I don't know everything. If you want to create a file discussion that's also okay for me. But it sounds like Wikipedia is following the letter of Wikipedia:Non-free content#Image resolution instead of the spirit. "We have thousands of NF images" sounds not very different from "Over 1 million copies sold!" and that never convinced me to buy anything. Alexis Jazz (talk) 22:24, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@Alexis Jazz: We never go measuring the NF part to the non-NF part. We haven't a million yet, only 600,000 NF images, there will be a good proportion with what one might call a "free part", that's just the way it is. The NF policy specifically says "Non-free content is allowed only in articles", the fact that you can click to the image page is just a necessary action - there are plenty of editors who would like the NF image to be the same as size used in the article. The license is OK {{Non-free sports uniform}}, and the image is therefore set as non-free. Ronhjones (Talk)22:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't mean the image page, I mean the Media Viewer. Different thing. In this case almost the entire image is free, only a tiny bit is copyrighted. The resolution rules are there to ensure beyond what is required by law that Wikipedia doesn't exceed what fair use allows. The rule was made to make sure no commercial exploitation of movie posters, covers, photos, etc would be harmed. The tiny Indian logo on the uniforms is, beyond any doubt, fair use. No need to scale down the entire image for that. "that's just the way it is" is just another argument that never convinced me of anything. Alexis Jazz (talk) 23:03, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Ronhjones, I'd like to ask you if I can see or edit the content of a deleted page. I plan to clean it up -if needed- and restore it. The article is this one: [34]. You answered me in my talk page previously, but I don't use email. Could you paste the content in a sandbox? Thank you very much, so sorry for the trouble. Lynxavier (talk) 19:48, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
How to use File:Ben-Gurion University of Negev.svg in other Wikipedia?
Hello, could you help me? How do I use the Ben-Gurion University of Negev.svg image in my language (Portuguese) wikipedia? Thank you very much in advance. Tiago Neves (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiago de Jesus Neves (talk • contribs)
@Apokryltaros: I seem to have beat you to it, just one was not done, it is now. It sometimes is the only way for the IP hoppers. After the 1 month semi, it will drop down to pending changes. Should make the IPs very happy... ;-) Ronhjones (Talk)22:30, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm not an expert on IPv6 ranges - but it looks like too big a range to easily block. I'll stick to block and protect for now. Ronhjones (Talk)01:10, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Given the above, I have no wheel-war - WP:MOPFIGHT, what a cleverly titled re-direct! - type objections whatsoever should you chose delete the page yourself, or re-nominate it for deletion. I will nominate it under the WP:G5 criterion once I have finished typing this.
It looks like the info was on wikipedia first which suggests the sources used by the wiki copied from Wikipedia, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 14:03, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
I've just been handling a few pending changes and one was on Nika Futterman. The reason given for pending-protection was sock-puppetry. Assuming a lack of reviewers ability to identify similar IPs etc I just was wondering what the reason was for putting it on pp rather than semi-protect. I can think of a couple of reasons (all sockpuppet vandalism has been very similar etc) but was wanting to check - all my RPP requests etc have been in clear-cut cases, and so I was just intrigued to expand that somewhat primordial knowledge a little.
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When you log in to your account you can choose to keep being logged in. This checkbox now works better than before on the mobile version for users without JavaScript. [35]
Wikis that use Citoid can automatically generate citations for Swedish news sites. This only works in the visual editor. This now works for Swedish public service radio. More will come. Others could use this to add news sites in other languages in the future. [36]
Editors can do max 90 edits per minute. This is new since last month. This does not affect bots or administrators. [37]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 July. It will be on all wikis from 26 July (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 25 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
@DVdm: IP blocked. Resolved to New York University. More likely will be quiet until that block ends. If that IP does it again, I'll go for a longer schoolblock. Ronhjones (Talk)21:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi ronhjones,
Thank you for the speedy protection on List of fastest-selling products(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) However, the page was vandalised before you protected it and I am now unable to revert the changes. Would it be possible to revert to the changes I made on the page at 00:26, 27 July 2018 and not the changes I made at 00:32, 27 July 2018? Unnecessary information with no valid sources were added and I was battling with persistent IP vandalisers beforehand. So sorry for the trouble but it would be greatly appreciated! Cynicalcynical (talk) 01:05, 27 July 2018 (UTC)=
Thank you so much, @Ronhjones: that was very quick! However, sorry to be a huge pain but it would be possible to revert it to the one of the earlier edits instead such as the one at 00:26, 27 July 2018 or 00:25, 27 July 2018? It's just that in the midst of trying to revert it back myself I accidentally reverted to one of the vandalised ones.Cynicalcynical (talk) 01:18, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
User cynicalcynical has made you protect the WRONG version of the concert section, she completed erased the correct concerts which were of KPOP bands EXO and TVXQ just so she can add her favorite group BTS which should not even be in there because the sources are invalid and the time is specified as "number of minutes."
The old version with the EXO concerts had the legit sources, it was talked about world wide and made known in KOREA by the ticketing company that they sold out their concerts that fast (0.2 seconds) I put in a request to edit them back to the same page. Please change it back to its original facts and do not let users cynicalcynical and babytaeyong put out the WRONG facts onto your page, It is vandalism.
Hello.
User cynicalcynical made you protect the wrong version of the concert section.
Right order is:
1, EXO - ElyXiOn [dot] that sold out in 0.2 seconds (2018)
2, EXO - ElyXiOn (2017) that sold out in 0.2 seconds
3, EXO - EXO'luXion (2015) that sold out in 0.4 seconds
4, EXO - The Lost Planet (2014) that sold out in 0.4 seconds
5, TVXQ - TVXQ Live Tour 2012 'Tone' Concert at Tokyo Dome that sold out within 5 seconds
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjJs490UwAANoLU.jpg
Pages are protected after severe edit-warring. The content of the page should then be discussed on the talk page, to be ready to change to an agreed version when protection ends. Wikipedia pages are constructed by consensus - talk to the other editors. Ronhjones (Talk)11:25, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Michael Lohan Jr.
I don't believe I should've been blocked for my latest post on Michael Lohan Jr. because I included IMDb in the external links for information on other pages, and never had this happen before. Some wikipedia page examples were from Lynne Naylor, Nate Cash, and William Reiss. If Michael Lohan Jr. isn't the reason, please let me know the real reason why I was blocked. That way, I can know what I did wrong. Yes, Robvanvee warned me that I'd be blocked without further notice for adding unsourced material. But, letting me know directly what I did wrong is important so I can have my saying on the matter, whether I'm right in my response or not.
@MapleTreeXZ: Looking back, I can see there was no in-line reference against the birthdate, as is required for a BLP. Also note that IMDb is not regarded as a reliable source - anyone can suggest an edit and most are accepted without checking (I've done it myself). As you had received a level 4 warning, then SummerPhDv2.0 filed a report at WP:AIV to gain an admin's attention. Ronhjones (Talk)15:30, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
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Recent changes
The design on Special:Log has changed. It will change again soon. Developers are working on fixing problems. [38]
Problems
Deployment of 1.32.0-wmf.13 has been partially delayed. All deployments have been resumed and successfully done after bug fixes. [39][40]
Deployment of 1.32.0-wmf.14 has been partially delayed. [41][42]
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 August. It will be on all wikis from 2 August (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 31 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 1 August at 15:00 (UTC) as well as at 23:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Hi Ron, would you be able to revert to the last version dated 22:06, September 4, 2017 at File:University of Michigan seal.svg or send me an email of that version? I have someone telling me the current version is inaccurate and I can't remember what the version looks like. The one thing I do know is where I retrieved the September 2017 version from. Thanks, Corky04:26, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the note, Ron. Some follow-up information and questions.
1. Regarding photos I own, two kinds: 1) photos I took personally and 2) photos taken for my company as work made-for-hire, where my company owns the content (for example, a frame a video from a film produced by me but shot by a cinematographer in my employ). In both cases, the photos already appear on my company website or in my social media feeds, because I own them and have placed them there for marketing purposes. I should be able to use both kinds on Wikipedia, yes?
2. Regarding photos owned by my subject, two kinds: photos he's taken personally of old newspaper articles in which he appears and 2) photos from public performances or appearances from his personal archives that were gifted to him by fans from around the world (some of these photos date back to his early career in the early 1970s, which he's scanned into JPGs from physical prints, and the original photographers will be impossible to identify or may no longer be living). In both cases, my subject has previously posted the photos on his website and social media feeds for marketing purposes. Not sure how Wikipedia views either of these kinds.
Finally, based on the information you provided, the five remaining photos I've already uploaded that haven't been flagged and deleted should probably be taken down. I can upload them again, using the information you provided.
1. If uploaded already, then someone will find then on a google images search, and likely to get tagged as copyright violations - we get hundreds every day of people copying web images. Only by going to c:COM:CONSENT can you validate the claim - can take 3 months!!!
2. Photos of newspapers - copyright owned by newspaper, for at least 70 years. Photos from fans - copyright owned by fan (and then family) until fan has been deceased for 70 years.
@Sandstein: It doesn't work that way. The information to stop the bot adding the template is within the message posted to the uploader's talk page - A formula for calculation the desired size can be found at WP:Image resolution, along with instructions on how to tag the image in the rare cases that it requires an oversized image (typically about 0.2% of non-free uploads are tagged as necessarily oversized). This time I have added the template for you. Ronhjones (Talk)17:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. But I think that the average editor will not have the patience or inclination to follow obscure technical directions left by a bot. I didn't understand the instructions, and I'm probably not the average editor. I suggest that you change the bot's behavior to not re-add a tag once a human editor removes it. Sandstein 17:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Well you are the first in about 10,000 images. I'll have a think about the template wording first, and see if it can be clearer. Ronhjones (Talk)20:15, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
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