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Nope, I can't hear any, the main keyboard instrument on "Nine Feet Underground" is a Hammond A-100 through a fuzzbox and Marshall amp. Same with Genesis before Selling England...., it's all a Hohner Pianet through fuzz. (I am, however, not a reliable source so I might have just made all that up). As for Cherry Wainer, yes, it can go in. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)13:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
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While reviewing new pages I have come across editor Rikhiyart. He creates articles about Indian soaps and suchlike, has a complete disregard for copyright, including a plot summary copypasted from a source into each article at his first edit. I have been nominating some for speedy deletion but I have now come across Premer Kahini (TV series) which is not quite so clearcut. The plot summary is there at great length, but the apparent source only has a couple of sentences. From the style of the plot summary, I am sure it is a copypaste, but cannot prove it, though I suppose theoretically, the two sentences that are there would be enough for G12. I also think you might consider blocking this editor. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I blocked. Might seem a bit overkill, but he's had far too many copyvio warnings now and the message hasn't sunk in. What we really need is more admins from India and Pakistan who understand the subject material to be able to handle it appropriately. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)11:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Ritchie, I reverted your CSD removal there. That's not something I would do lightly. You've clearly misinterpreted the A7 restriction. First, the restriction is for schools, not educational institutions. Clearly this is not a school. It isn't even an educational institution. It's an association of 10 private schools, with the sole purpose of screening admissions for them. The A7 restriction no more applies here than it would to an athletic conference. I'm asking that you reassess your position and either delete it, pass it on to another admin or articulate a different reason. It appears you agree it needs to go as you attempted to PROD it (you mangled the prod, but no biggie there). Thanks, and no disrespect intended. John from Idegon (talk) 20:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
WP:A7 explicitly mentions "educational institutions", and it's best to err on the side of inclusion with the deletion criteria. I can't see any way of rescuing the article, so I think a PROD should suffice, and I was busy trying to do NPP with one hand and eat ice cream with the other, so that's my excuse for bodging the tag. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)20:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Speedy delete of Eshet Tourist Services Ltd
Hi, Ritchie333. I am asking you to reconsider your deletion of he Eshet Tourist Services Ltd article, and/or offer me feedback on causes for the deletion and means to improve this article. See below talk with Kudpung, who flagged post for deletion- he directed me to you. Briefly, I had no intention to make this article promotional and ensured I included references and content covering the controversy regarding how Eshet Tours secured a monopoly on Israel's Public Sector vacationing. I believe that given the size of the company, the importance of tourism to Israel for millions of Wiki users, and the little appreciated impact the Israeli public sector has on shaping the the tourism market, Eshet Tours meets the required notability benchmark and that reviewing it is justified.
"Hi, I was unable to respond to your speedy deletion nomination tag before the Eshet Tourist Services Ltd article I posted was shot down (given that this seems to have happened within minutes of the flagginf). I noted you flagged it as "promotional". I want to make it clear out front that I am not, and never have been, employed or in any business relationship with Eshet Tours and that my only contact with them has been as a reasonably (one time) satisfied customer who took the time to look into their mode of operations. Furthermore, I thought I adopted carefully neutral phrasing throughout the article, and also provided sources and pointed out the controversy surrounding the manner in which Eshet Tours secured a near monopoly on Israel's public sector vacations.
I therefore do not understand why you flagged down this article as promotional. I would appreciate your feedback and any advice on how this article, in which I invested a considerable chunk of my private time, can be made acceptable.
I understand that the issue of notability might also apply to this type of article. However, Eshet Tours is not a "garage company" - it is one the largest tourist companies in Israel with hundreds of employees and hundreds of thousands of customers per year which has been independently covered by the media in the references I provided. Furthermore, the field it is active in - tourism to Israel, is one that is of major interest and activity of millions of Wiki users, Jewish and otherwise. Knowledge of the market forces affecting this field (such as the aforementioned monopoly over Israeli public sector tourism) seems to me to be of interest to these users.
Hi Yboxman. It was actually deleted by Ritchie333. Both of us being admins, it was the right thing to do at the time, but having listened to your explanation, I would need Ritchie's consent to restore it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I like the username - it brings a whole new perspective to the line "Imagine no possessions ... it's easy if you try" (because the State has got them all). Comrade Boris, are we allowed to say any of this or will Putin arrange an "accident" in a car park? Ritchie333(talk)(cont)21:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
"'Notability purges' are being executed throughout Wikipedia by empire-building, wannabe tin-pot dictators masquerading as humble editors."
"There are some people on Wikipedia now who are just bullies, who take pleasure in wrecking ...They poke articles full of warnings and citation-needed notes and deletion prods till the topics go away.
@Imaginelenin: See this and this - I have heard complaints about Wikipedia's deletion process for ten years from people, my partner Rhondamerrick even wrote a song about one of the (now-retired) deleting admins! Indeed, complaining about the deletion system and standing up to it is the principal reason I became an admin in the first place. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)15:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric The articles in G-search are having only passing mentions and we are talking about such broad definition, I expect to see academic researches and books, but not just 2 NYT articles. Half of the articles I see are talking about resistance to Nazi regime and half about Germans being passive. I believe that making of encyclopedical article for such not easy topic requires historical and scientific proof. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 15:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, I agree that I was too fast in my judgment for CSD, but I still positive that in it's current form the article is useless, since there is no single definition for "Good Germans". Arthistorian1977 (talk) 15:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
The topic is quite notable as entire books have been written about it. The article currently talks of "people ... who observe reprehensible things taking place ... but remain silent, neither raising objections nor taking steps to change the course of events". These events here were reprehensible as neither the A1 or A11 were at all appropriate. Arthistorian1977 has the NPR right and that privilege states that "Additionally, it can be revoked at any time by an administrator without any process or prior notice in any of the following circumstances: ... The editor has demonstrated a pattern of failing to exercise sufficient care when reviewing pages, resulting in new users being offended or discouraged." Andrew D. (talk) 15:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
My initial thoughts are that article should be re-appropriated to summarise all US conflict and intervention in Libya, which spans back decades. The current article probably needs to be WP:TNTed, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted, it should be improved. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)16:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I agree with WP:TNT, but isn't AfD a discussion? It wasn't frivolous nomination, but an initiation of discussion. In it's current form it's a list of airstrikes with 90% of information without proper sourcing. But still, we're not talking about this specific article here, but about my supposed ineligibility as NPR, because of alleged abusing of NRP rights :( Arthistorian1977 (talk) 16:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
It's a discussion, but only one that should be initiated when all other possibilities of trying to improve, redirect or transwiki the article have been exhausted and it's impossible to do anything with it. WP:ATD is policy. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)16:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict × 2)I took the time to break down how his tag of A1 was absolutely inappropriate on arthistorians tp, and so was of A11. A11 doesn't also apply to items that have a claim of significance (which this article plainly does) Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I watch this page and, when I saw the heading 'I'm retiring' thought it might have been written by Ritchie... Thankfully I see not. However, on reading I see that I too have an example where Arthistorian has AfD'd one of my recent creations, Jack Croft Baker, nom'd earlier today. He was knighted, had a CBE and was president of an industry association; he has an obituary in the Times and an entry in Who's Who. Bizarre AfD, but the second time in a week that an obviously notable article I've created has been AfD'd without justification (the other was for Murdo Maclean; it was CSD'd by someone else). I've never had this happen before, so it's a bit dumbfounding. —Noswall59 (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC).
Having CBE and obituary in the Times does not automatically grant notability. Being local politian does not grant notability per WP:POLITICIAN and he is a president of industry association that does not have its own Wikipedia article. Regarding Murdo Maclean, it was CSD'ed by User:Reddogsix and the CSD was removed by User:Galobtter, based on fact he was knighted. There is a difference between Knight Commander of an order and Knight Bachelor, the lowest of all knighthoods in UK. Such knighthood requires additional support for notability claim. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 17:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I know that having a CBE is not in itself sufficient to confer notability (although the conferral of a knighthood generally is a substantial state honour and thus held to confer notability under WP:ANYBIO); what I am suggesting is that all of these things (knighthood, CBE, Times obit, Who's Who entry, public work) in combination indicate notability. Indeed, on its own I believe an obituary in The Times is a very good indicator, but if you can show me cases where it is deemed insufficient do let me know. And, to clarify, I am not trying to suggest his career in local politics is the basis of his notability, so WP:POLITICIAN has little to do with this. Anyway, this discussion is really for the AfD and your NPR conduct is for the ANI discussion Ritchie has created (see below). Cheers, —Noswall59 (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC).
That's an excellent example. As I understand it, the NPR right was created specifically so that it could be taken away from trigger-happy patrollers. In this case, the article was nominated for deletion just 14 mins after it was created. Andrew D. (talk) 17:21, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
indication of significance
(edit conflict)Lack of significance is the standard for A7, not notability (14 minutes for tagging is reasonable IMO if there is no real indication it is being expanded, though) I didn't say he was notable. I removed the csd because there were extremely good claims of significance nearing that of notability (just one last comment)Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:35, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Personally, I would be AfDing this article, but since I wasn't the one, who CSDed it and I am the one currently being accused of abusing NPR rights, I don't care for that article. I have nothing to do with it, so I am washing my hands here. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 17:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I recently AfD'ed an article. Till that comment in the discussion, I was not aware there are articles like "list of songs recorded by blah bla blah". Regarding that particular instance, we have an article for the artist, and an article for their discography. I think whatever exists in the list article, should be merged/covered in the discography article. That being said, I also think this should happen to all the similar "list of songs" articles. What are your opinions regarding that? —usernamekiran(talk)14:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I closed the AfD as "withdrawn by the nominator", whoever that was. I was planning to take it to village pump lol. But turns out, if the artist is good, then merging the list to discography is not a good idea. —usernamekiran(talk)18:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Looks like a co-incidence; I'm hardly the only person answering to "Ritchie" on this planet and who had to type in a few numbers to get a unique username once (way before Wikipedia, which I just re-used). Ritchie333(talk)(cont)16:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
There was a famous person who asked "What is truth?" - It's true that I brought "spirit and mind, heart, soul and courage" to today's Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, all credit goes to Mr. Gerhardt, of course. Love the cat. I have two more good titles in the pipeline, "sing a new song" and "friendly vision", in other words: happy 2018! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
So what you're saying is, don't take the road you threatened to bury me in, and instead take another route...that you recommend. Ummm... I think I'll walk, thanks :) --Hammersoft (talk) 18:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Being the current victim of a never ending construction project (the suffering won't end now until 2027), the idea that any construction project...or article commenting on it...could be completed is farcical. Good luck with that :) --Hammersoft (talk) 18:14, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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...I may have spoiled the broth by pinging more cooks in. Let me suggest, if you're agreeable, that you propose that ALT2 (specifically) be re-ticked by the reviewer and that it be held for April 1. EEng18:57, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I just created the DYK as a light hearted pun on an article I spotted a couple of other editors writing. I don't mind what happens to it - if some Wikipedians lack a sense of humour, then too bad. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)22:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
When you're old and looking back on your empty life, you'll wish you'd grabbed this brass ring. EEng22:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
It's funny, I've nominated a few DYKs lately, but if it gets too anal and too boring and too fucking tiresome to deal with some of the turgid bullshit, I just let the nomination float away. Who cares about DYK really? It's a perennial joke, not for the right reasons. Recently someone claimed the reason they delinked articles from hooks was because the quality of those non-target articles was debatable. Laugh? I nearly punctured my own aorta with a chopstick which I'd ingested through my stoma. It was so inspirational, I nearly signed up for the WikiCup. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:34, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
You'll be telling me you were almost tempted to sign up to the Counter Vandalism Academy Brigade (or whatever it's called) and dish out some barnstars for reverting vandalism (or whatever they do). Ritchie333(talk)(cont)22:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Well if people are complaining about Trump Street, the planned follow-up "Did you know .... that Teresa May has appeared in Celebrity Shags 13 and Dirty English Bitches Volume 3?"[1][2] (both sources absolutely SFW) would make them apoplectic. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)22:53, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Please change the name without use of the accent mark. If you don't make this change, anyone searching for Herbert Siguenza is taken to the Culture Clash page. I tried to change, but I don't know how. My keyboard can't even type it, and I am afraid people will never find his page otherwise. Thanks, 24.94.28.91 (talk) 05:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.28.91 (talk) 05:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Hey Ritchie333, I found your name listed on the mentor list for GAR help and thought to approach you right away. I have started a GAR of Papal conclave, 1667. I am new to reviewing GAs, it would be awesome if I can get some help and guidance from you through the process. Ping me if you are up on it. Thanks! :) Simranpreet singh (talk) 11:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Reverted info about Genesis
I have a source to verify what I had inserted into the article about Genesis - a book written by Bowler and Dray. The claim that Steve Hackett wasn't interested in writing shorter and simpler songs is mentioned in the book.61.69.217.3 (talk) 11:21, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
No, you added a sentence with a {{fact}} tag at the end of it, which makes no sense. I’ve got Bowler / Dray’s book right here; give me the page number and I’ll check. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)11:34, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
On 15 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article John Samuel Phene, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that John Samuel Phene's five-storey house was called the "Gingerbread Castle" because of its numerous devices and fixtures? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John Samuel Phene. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, John Samuel Phene), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
In November 2017 you have declined a submission of Draft:Pro:Atria. Much to my surprise, the draft showed up today as a fake article here. I am inclined to prevent further tricks like that by nominating it for deletion, but is that an unusual or harsh way to act? The Bannertalk18:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Drafts usually aren't deleted because someone tried to link it from the article space. If you feel that the draft will never have a chance you're welcome to send it to MFD though. Primefac (talk) 18:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)(talk page stalker)
Hi there. As you know, I'm not really a content-generating person but I decided to try my luck with User:SoWhy/SpellForce 3. Since you have so much more experience with GAs than I do, do you think you can give me some pointers before I'm moving it to main space? TIA and Regards SoWhy14:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) User:Iridescent once advised me about breaking up the appearance of walls-of-text, particularly that even if no images are available, other methods, such as {{quotebox}} can be just as effective, and I've found that to be absolutely true. That would be an immediate, and I think, easy improvement to make? Just my opinion, of course. >SerialNumber54129...speculates14:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @SoWhy: In video game articles, we don't usually mention every single character unless they're directly related to the plot, and if they are, we incorporate it into the prose in #Plot. Sometimes we have a synopsis section that consists of setting and plot, the former can be used to set the scene (and makes the plot section itself a little shorter). Here are a few examples of good plot/synopsis sections: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt ("Setting", "plot"), Fallout 4: Far Harbor ("Setting and characters", "plot"), Bastion (video game) ("Plot"). Also, in reception, WP:VG consensus is to only include Metacritic, unless it's an older game. Hope this helps. Anarchyte (work | talk)14:44, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
You really want David Fuchs for this. Because he's responsible for so many of Wikipedia's videogame articles, and in particular Wikipedia's featured videogame articles, the way he does things is the de facto standard for these articles as they're what readers expect Wikipedia's videogame articles to look like. I concur whole-heartedly (unsurprisingly) with 54129's comment about walls of text; even if you can't find any directly relevant images to break the flow, you can always use tangentially-relevant illustrations such as photos of people involved, pictures of places mentioned in the article, and block quotations to break up the flow of text. (See Charles Domery for a good example of the use of quote-boxes to pseudo-illustrate an article for which no pictures of the subject exist, and consequently make it look less like a daunting essay.) ‑ Iridescent17:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
@ArturSik: I'll have a proper look when I get time, but one quick point - a source from The Sun saying "Naked ambition: Polish pop babe Margaret's nude party video" is an instant WP:BLPSOURCES violation and hence instant oppose at FAC, so that should be fixed ASAP. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)13:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I have now removed this. I was hoping someone would review the sources however most of them are in Polish so that might be a problem. Looking forward to your review. ArturSik (talk) 14:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Hmm yeah, always fun with that guy. But, Galobter, I have to take issue with you: that business of "and" or comma, it's style, not grammar. Unless you're my mother in law, which would be very strange. Drmies (talk) 19:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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@Atsme: Sorry, my mistake - he taught other people how to be successful at sports and win medals. But that's probably still enough to clear A7. Feel free to file an AfD if you wish. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)22:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
AfD = Alternative for Dry-eye.... I think you're right - coaching a gold medal winner should/probably does pass N. Atsme📞📧22:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
I cited it in a GA review myself recently. In my case, it was arguing that our readers are reasonably intelligent enough to not need a Wikilink to Vatican when they are reading about papal conclaves, and that linking to a 20th century sovereign entity in a 17th century topic was a bit odd. Such a versatile essay. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:35, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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