User talk:Red Slash/Archive 3

Common misconceptions

Red,

While I'm sure that many of your removals are entirely valid, your edits changed too much in one go. You also snuck in some WP:NOTBROKEN revisions (such as switching from British to American spelling of Litre). Please discuss this on the talk page so we can better understand your reasoning. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Ego White Tray, I may well have removed too many (though I feel pretty good about all the ones I took out). (You are quick, by the way! I'm impressed!) The one thing I'll say is that the article must as a whole be in one single unchanging variety of English (see WP:ARTCON) and the bulk of the article is in American English. Thanks for all your efforts to improve the page. I'll be in touch on the talk page. Red Slash 04:32, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Steam Machine#Requested move

I'm contacting you to ensure consensus is clear. You've agreed it should be moved, but I've later pitched the concern of a definition issue. I'm instead proposing Steam Machine be renamed and moved to Steam Machine (hardware platform). I'd like your thoughts if this is okay on the bottom of that talk page. « Ryūkotsusei » 19:57, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Chris Alexander (editor)

Can I ask a favor? Can you keep an eye out on the article Chris Alexander (editor)? Long story short, there's an IP editor that keeps coming in and editing the article in order to make Alexander appear less notable and it's pretty obviously done because they really, really avidly dislike the man. Their edits haven't been helpful and come across more as vandalism because they'll blank sections for little to no reason other than "I don't like that this is here". The semi-protection will be up on February 7, and the comments of the IP on the talk page (and their habit of frequently editing Alexander and Alexander related articles) show that they'll likely try to return and vandalize the page again. If it continues then I'm going to lobby for a permanent semi-protection, but there's always the possibility that the IP might try to open an account to get around any semi-protections. In any case, that's why I want to have more than a few eyes watching the page. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:19, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Of relevance is this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Alexander. Basically, Alexander himself came on and ranted about how someone was out to get him, yadda yadda. I blew it off at the time because I thought he was being paranoid but I'm kind of wondering if there isn't something to this. If vandalism continues then I might try to see if the IP has any sleeper accounts on here that they're working on in order to try to get around any potential further blocks/bans/protections. I hate to sound all paranoid, but this IP really does seem to have a hate-on against Alexander. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The RM closure

Since we seem to be in limbo waiting for anyone to close the Cannabis (drug) to Marijuana move review, I'm wondering if you'd be willing to withdraw your nomination to the move review, close it yourself as overturned and relisted, then undo your close and repost your analysis as a !vote. This seemed like such a simple matter of basic facts and clear guidelines when I first stuck my foot in this tar-baby. I'd like my life back, which obviously will never happen unless and until this does eventually close. Msnicki (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, it takes a full month for a MRV to close. At this point (I've tried not to examine it too closely) with this many people having contributed, I can't wade in and retract it. Red Slash 02:22, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Thanks. I had no idea how long one of those ran. I'm used to AfDs, which are short. I did appreciate your contribution to the debate and I thought your analysis was quite concisely and logically laid out. I hadn't seen Google's n-gram facility before, so I learned something. Really quite impressive work. It didn't seem to be in good taste for me to say that at the time but now you know. On reflection, a month won't matter. I have my life back already. The current debate is down to 4 of us and the positions and the evidence are stable. From here, if I don't respond, nothing is going to change without some new entrants. Msnicki (talk) 03:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Humour

Hi Red Slash, and thanks for your comments at Talk:Siren (noisemaker).

You might like to have a look at the second and third userboxes on my user page... noting with respect to the first of these that the flag for professional mathematician is x=y.

And I see you've signed up to my creed! WP:creed#NPOV, WP:creed#consensus and WP:creed#rules are probably my favourites there. Andrewa (talk) 06:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The drums and The Drums

Hi, I just wondered what your rationale is for this edit. I can argue it both ways, the name is more descriptive with the disambiguator but it's not really consistent to use the redirect, it suggests we should instead rename the article. Andrewa (talk) 12:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, I boldly moved the band's page, then looked closer, figured out it was a mistake, and had it TM'd back. I forgot to clean up after myself on that page and have now rolled it back. Thanks for noticing! Red Slash 04:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bold is good. Andrewa (talk) 07:25, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Cup

On 3 February 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cup, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a cup (pictured) is a small container for drinks? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cup. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks from the DYK project and I Victuallers (talk) 00:01, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cup, it's almost like that oldest of DYKs, "Did you know that a pencil sharpener "is a device for sharpening a pencil's point by shaving the end of the pencil"? Well, OK, you probably did." Chris857 (talk) 01:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am so happy! DYK has really been a great learning experience and I'm glad to have contributed! Red Slash 15:43, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh!

Hi, Red. Can you tell us why you changed the date format at Cup? I've rarely seen the mdy format you've chosen without a comma after the day of the month. (No hostile intent here, just asking.) Thanks. --71.178.50.222 (talk) 16:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good job on the article. I hadn't known that you were the creator. As creator, I think you have the privilege of formatting the dates the way you want to. Again, nice work! --71.178.50.222 (talk) 16:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Génesis (album)

I didn't scroll down from the tech move and see you open this RM, sorry. Thanks for the idea, but you might as well close it now, as redundant. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'd actually agree with your (?) decision to redirect it back over to Genesis (disambiguation). I proposed it because Unreal7 had proposed a move of Génesis to Génesis and I figured that he had meant to move the album. I'm a bit confused about everything but I think the end result is fine. Thanks for your note. Red Slash 22:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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You might like...

... to look at User talk:66.76.161.62 (there's been only one edit there as I write so I can't give a diff) and the edit that's being discussed... as you seem to appreciate dry understatement.

Perhaps we should have a special barnstar for such humour? The danger of course is that we need to avoid feeding the trolls. Andrewa (talk) 06:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IPA for Spanish

Regarding Help:IPA for Spanish, I just wanted to point out that "this" begins with the phoneme /ð/, not /θ/. Both phonemes are spelled ‹th› in English, which can make it hard to keep them apart. Generally, function words have the voiced /ð/, while other words have the voiceless /θ/ (think either vs. ether), but there are plenty of exceptions to that rule.

You are quite correct that the voiceless /θ/ would be a poor approximation for Spanish intervocalic [ð̞], particularly because Peninsular Spanish can have a phonemic /θ/. And as I noted, "this" is not a great example word, since it's well-known that native Spanish-speakers often pronounce word-initial English /ð/ as [d], like in your example dis. Perhaps that page's examples for the approximate forms of the voiced stop consonants should use similarly intervocalic examples in English. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's always complicated to try and translate their sounds into ours. Even moreso when they have so many different sounds. That's a great point, though, that you made about the "th". Well said, I had just kinda been guessing about /θ/. So, I am open to suggestions and ideas, because obviously the way I expressed it is not the best. But... man, I might know the wrong way to word it, but I don't know the right one. Red Slash 23:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I kindly request your support

I kindly request your support

Based on my this edit ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus&diff=595115144&oldid=595101824 ), I kindly request your support for the proposed name change. Observe the very last two edits: Dr. K. (19:49, 11.02.2014): Thank you Lfdder for your great points, but this is classic disruptive MO. The points included in the walls of text above, have all been made multiple times by other, now perma-blocked, users and have no relevance to this discussion. This discussion is about the WP:COMMONNAME not about righting of great wrongs. It is time for the initiator of this frivolous move discussion to drop the stick. Alexyflemming (08:57, 12.02.2014): Your "disruptive MO" phrase links to "WP:Tend" (Tendentious editing is a manner of editing which is partisan, biased or skewed taken as a whole.). When "Turkish invasion of Cyprus" and "1974 Cyprus war" are considered together, it is clear for one with common sense and prudence! that "Turkish invasion of Cyprus" is partisan, biased or skewed, not "1974 Cyprus war"! Also, the link you gave ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&diff=prev&oldid=496949746 ) connects it (The info (Makarios: "Cyprus was invaded by Greece")) to official record of UN SC 1780th Meeting, 19.07.1974)! Do you say "giving official UN SC records is partisan, biased or skewed"? I showed "1974 Cyprus war" has merits to pass WP:COMMONNAME; there are countless references as such. Besides this, WP:COMMONNAME is not the only criteria that must be taken into account: There are others: Recognizability, Naturalness, Precision, Conciseness, Consistency. "1974 Cyprus war" 15 characters, "Turkish invasion of Cyprus" 26 characters. The latter is %73 longer, more than that, it is biased. Dear Red Slash, whatever your last decision on the topic is, I want to kindly thank you since I felt your conscience, dignity, common sense, prudence far exceed that of the others in discussion. I am saying this based on your first intution. Best and Warm Regards, Alexy Flemming, LX Inc. Alexyflemming (talk) 09:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ll and [ʃ]

Could you please comment at Help talk:IPA for Spanish#ll_and_.5B.CA.83.5D? —Remember the dot ^(talk) 22:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion at Talk:Eitaro Ozawa

Hello RedSlash. Per your closure, I've moved everything that could easily be moved. One exception remains and as the move closer you should decide what to do:

• Tōkyō Kazoku (since moved to Tokyo Family. I assume we leave this alone since the macrons have gone away).

I think it's fine for non-admins to close move discussions unless a move somehow depends on looking at deleted material. In actuality I suspect you could have done most of these moves even without admin tools. I get a red warning box when the move will cause history to be deleted and the box never appeared, except for the above case and for a few others where the move was already done. It seems that the deletion is the only thing non-admins can't do.

Do you have some time to fix up any redirects that are affected by these moves? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, EdJohnston! I wasn't sure if admins had a quicker way of performing the mass moves than others, so I didn't do any of them; I was planning to go back later if the moves remained undone, but thank you for moving them! I looked at Tokyo Family and there's a good-looking source for that being the English title of the movie. So I would agree with you that it's a fine enough title.

By the way, the main thing we can't do as non-admins is to move X to X (letter) unless either A) X (letter) is a red link, or B) X (letter) is a redirect with precisely one edit redirecting it to X. That's it. User:SmackBot made a bunch of really annoying edits once upon a time where it made redirects to pages, then came back a couple of weeks later to add categories to it. I can't move an article even to a direct redirect if there's been even one edit adding a category (or whatever). (This means if I vandalistically move Chicken to Chickenface, and then "innocuously" edit the redirect now left behind at Chicken, I can only be reverted by an admin.) Anyway, thank you so much for Red Slash 21:22, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RM closure by non-admin

Hi Red Slash

I see that you closed Talk:Eitaro_Ozawa#Move_about_36_pages.3F. I don't want to contest the conclusion you reached, but you should not have closed it. Per WP:NACD Non-administrators should not close discussions in which they lack the technical ability to act upon the outcome ... and that was the case here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:58, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

BHG, You are quoting WP:NACD which is part of the deletion process guideline. The guideline for closing requested moves is slightly different. See Wikipedia:RMCI#Non-admin closure. It permits non-admin closures even when a G6 deletion is required. For some recent discussion of the rules see Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 25#Non-admin closures of controversial RMs. In practice when I see non-admin move closures it is usually by a 'regular' and normally it wouldn't cause any concern. EdJohnston (talk) 23:51, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston: Oh well, it looks like the few editors discussing there were happy to keep the rules that way for RMs. I am not so persuaded that it is a good idea to ask admins to take responsibility for implementing a consensus which has been weighed by someone who hasn't been RFA-vetted, but I accept that for now the consensus is that I am over-cautious.

Thanks for clarifying. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate both your concern, BrownHairedGirl, and your clarification, Ed. I think the reasoning is often that there are very few admins who regularly patrol WP:RM and if they want to participate in the discussion, there's rather frequently no admin left to close them. I doubt AFD has as many problems with that. Anyway, I've noticed that since AFD and RFCs are both a much bigger deal than WP:RM (certainly historically so), oftentimes people do conflate the guidelines for them. (For instance, every once in a while we get someone who proposes a move thinking that they're required to make a neutral nomination, which is not the case for us but is required for an RfC.) I wonder if the instructions could/should be clearer? Red Slash 01:57, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:Manchester capitalism#Requested move

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Hillary move and lead

Thanks for closing the RM at Hillary Rodham Clinton, I think it was a wise action given the history there and the nature of the latest proposal. Unfortunately, I don't similarly agree with you on the reductions to the lead section of the article, for the reasons I gave in the edit summary. But I'll be happy to engage on that further on the Talk page there, where the lead and everything else in the article has been much discussed over the years. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:34, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus hatnote

I've undone your edit to Cyprus. I think it's very unlikely for it to be confused with the TRNC — Lfdder (talk) 23:33, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bangs / Fringe

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —David Levy 05:26, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Red: I've copied and pasted your WP:AN/I message below (so I can reply here). —David Levy 11:26, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• My bad - I didn't check to see how long ago the move was made originally; I should not have done this to repair a move made in 2006. I made everything clear and above-board and there was no underhandedness, but definitely, this is not the process for reverting poor move decisions made over seven years ago. Wow. My full apologies. Red Slash 23:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't check to see how long ago the move was made originally; I should not have done this to repair a move made in 2006.

I mentioned the year in the listing's first reply. So you evidently didn't read the discussion before speedily closing it. That's a problem.

I made everything clear and above-board and there was no underhandedness,

You obviously acted in good faith and did nothing dishonest or malicious.

but definitely, this is not the process for reverting poor move decisions made over seven years ago. Wow. My full apologies.

Thanks very much for that. But please note that there were other problems with the closure.

• In this context, admins and non-admins alike are expected to remain impartial to the best of their abilities. You began by expressing "strong support" for the move, which you then carried out a minute later. Clearly, this was a conflict of interest.
• Because you aren't an admin, the non-admin closure criteria (to which you linked) apply. In addition to impartiality, it's expected that "consensus or lack of consensus is clear after a full listing period (seven days)". The discussion hadn't reached even half of the full listing period or achieved anything close to consensus.
• For the relisting, you declared that the original move was "apparently in violation of WP:RETAIN". Again, this was non-neutral; you expressed the opinion that the previous move was improper, thereby discouraging others from supporting its reinstatement.
  You also stated that you were "not sure what justification if any there is to override WP:RETAIN, but if anyone wants to present such evidence, they are welcome to." Again, had you read the discussion that you speedily closed, you'd have seen the justification, which is based on the belief that the move wasn't a violation of WP:RETAIN and didn't entail overriding it.
  As I noted, WP:RETAIN (which, incidentally, I helped to write) doesn't require us to always retain an article's original English variety. It guides us to do so in the absence of a valid reason to do otherwise. In this instance, it was asserted (by another editor and me) that "fringe", due to its secondary use in American English, is better understood by Wikipedia's readers than "bangs" is. As explained at WP:COMMONALITY (another part of WP:ENGVAR), "universally used terms are often preferable to less widely distributed terms, especially in article titles". (And I've pointed out that I'm American and certainly not biased against my own English variety.)

I hope that you take this constructive criticism (which I've pointedly posted here instead of in a heavily trafficked forum) in the spirit in which it's intended. Your consideration is sincerely appreciated. —David Levy 11:26, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Constructive criticism very well taken. The close was completely out of order. I foolishly assumed I was reverting an out of process move (which wouldn't necessarily require me to have been impartial, right?). It wasn't right. Now, I disagree with the assertion that "fringe" is acceptable American English for bangs, but that's something that I should have mentioned in a discussion (and nothing more). I erred by jumping to a conclusion that (probably) would've justified the actions I took, but was absolutely wrong. All I can say in my defense is that I tried to do everything as aboveboard as I could have. I did not hide my actions or try to make it appear any different; in case I was wrong I wanted someone to be able to see it so that they could call me out on it, as you have. I've respected you since before you even went by your current username, and my respect for you has grown, not diminished, as a result of this. You again have my apologies and my gratitude for addressing the issue here. Red Slash 03:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What on earth?

Hi, can you explain this edit please? [1]

Redslash, I had reconsidered my support, and decided to oppose for the reasons stated. I was persuaded by the comment, and had looked further into the history of the article and its name. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. (redacted) I didn't mean to. I am sorry. What can we do? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:32, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I contacted the involved administrator, User talk:EdJohnston. Asked him to reopen the discussion. I apologize again. Looking at it, all I can say is WTF? Huh? There is a reason why they put delete keys on computers, and I am living proof. Mea culpa. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did what I could do. Humpty dumpty was put back together, and it didn't change the result. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not upset and honestly I don't feel very strongly about the move request--it's fine either way. It's good to know it was an honest screw-up, I appreciate your apology and no further action is required Woohoo, we all make mistakes! Red Slash 21:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for being magnanimous about that. I could have sworn that I had originally agreed, and then retracted. Brain fart 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Indian Century

Your proposed technical move doesn't fit the instructions for non-admin closures here which wants the discussion to have run a full seven days. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• EdJohnston, did I miss something? The move was proposed on March 8 and it's now March 16... Red Slash 19:32, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, I'll try to do it now. Looks like it may need a history merge. EdJohnston (talk) 19:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No offence taken

But thanks for the thought. Andrewa (talk) 03:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Issues may arise when requesting moves of over 9 separate pages?

Regarding this edit to Wikipedia:Requested moves/Controversial, I'm assuming that you are going from memory of a past problem and did not check to see whether the problem had been fixed. See user talk:RMCD bot#Long multimoves. If there is still an outstanding issue with requesting moves of more than 9 pages, please let me know. Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 00:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Correct on all counts, Wbm1058. I'm glad to hear it's been fixed! Thank you and thanks for fixing my error! Red Slash 23:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding removing the RFD notice on Steve Austin

Hello Red Slash,

I've noticed that you have removed the RFD notice from Steve Austin twice now. Yes, the RFD discussion has been going on for a while, but it has yet to be closed by anyone. I would do it myself, but since I have relisted the discussion, I'm weary that if I closed it, it would look like a WP:INVOLVED dispute. If you are concerned about the template remaining on Steve Austin, why not close the discussion yourself? I see you haven't yet participated in the discussion, so I don't see why it would be an issue. Steel1943 (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Steel1943, yeah, I was hoping my removal of the notice might spur someone to just close it. I did in fact participate in the discussion so I'm involved, but the red tape is horrible and I want the discussion to end. 100+ readers a day are getting confronted with this incredibly un-user friendly template and it just needs to go. At this point it really should be an issue for WP:RM since the disambiguation page is at Steve Austin (disambiguation). I know you relisted it, but you almost certainly could close it, right? That doesn't make you involved, does it? Red Slash 01:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I may in the near future, if it is not done by another editor in the near future. The consensus seems clear, but my current lack of access to an actual keyboard makes it difficult for me to paste and edit all of the necessary templates to close the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Re : History of Malaysia

As I've already said, the flag you put was never been used in Malaysia. Did you really actually read the flag article? It is only appears on the proposed flag for the Federation of Malaya. Adding the flag is currently misguided. You should know also Malaysia covers both West and East, using an image which never been used and symbolising a MALAYAN symbol will seems too biased for the Malaysian topics. As both the West and East was once part of the British Empire, it SHOULD use the British flag. Didn't you see the Indonesian file also with a Dutch flag? — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ^ʜᴜʜ? 06:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An embarrassing mistake! Yes, I read the article, but totally missed that the first time. A different flag for the background, then? Or even the current? I cannot see how a 120-year spell as a British colony means the template's picture should predominantly emphasize the British flag. It's a sovereign country composed of two main parts, each with their own long and illustrious history. Again, the history goes back 2000+ years. Why exactly should a 120-year stint as a British colony be shown so prominently in the picture? I would not assume from looking at that picture that Malaysia was independent at all.

I didn't know of the Indonesian template, and I think the reference to the flag of the Netherlands is a little overstated, but I could be persuaded. It's a little bit different in a couple of ways--first off, the reference to the Indonesian flag (top half red, bottom half white on the sides) is more prominent than the one to the Dutch flag; second, I think it's much more legitimate to reference the Dutch colonization period for Indonesia. Parts of Indonesia were under Dutch colonization (or quasi-colonization--I get a mixed impression from the relevant articles about how much control exactly the VOC exerted over the islands) for over three hundred years. For roughly 1/5 of the history of Indonesia, it was a Dutch colony. That's significant enough to get a shout-out on the History picture. Malaysia was a British colony for what, a little over 1/20 of its history? I don't want to say it was just a blip on the radar, but... Red Slash 00:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See also {{History of Hong Kong}}, {{History of Angola}}, {{History of Brazil}}, {{History of Argentina}}, {{History of Mexico}}, {{History of Canada}}, {{History of Pakistan}}, {{History of India}}, etc... Red Slash 00:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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RedSlash, please "If you are not an administrator you should be cautious when closing certain contentious requests;"

This in effect means a non-admin should never without a special case close against a majority. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Neither admins nor non-admins should count votes, as you and I both already know. No actual case for either having primary topic was made. Red Slash 17:29, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Shut Up and Drive.

My interpretation was that the nominator had closed the first RM with this [edit here]. At least he had expressed a desire for it to be closed. --Richhoncho (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Iphone 5s RM

Hi,

I noticed that you had commented twice in Support of the proposal, which is entirely understandable as the comments were more than a month apart, and the RM has been open forever. I struck the first support comment, because it was originally unsigned. Feel free to modify my striking if you wish. Best wishes, Xoloz (talk) 20:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Lusophone

Hi Red Slash, I know the term Lusophone is controversial and probably not politically correct, but~find yourtext a bit convoluted and that it does not sound too clear either. Even the country where I live is increasingly Portuguese-speaking and the government has stopped pretending that they did not have anything to do the language... Teixant (talk) 21:23, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Teixant, thank you for the comment. I assume you were talking about Mozambique? The term Lusophone to me is neither controversial, politically incorrect or noteworthy; it's just very unclear. It's not a very common term in the English language. That said, the last thing I want to do is to describe the situation in Mozambique in an unclear way, especially if it's a controversial thing. Please, edit the page and make it better. As you can see, after reading your point here I already edited the page again [3] but please do whatever you can to improve it. Red Slash 23:00, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for assuming too much from your commentary...But actually the term Lusophone is controversial because many people think it is linked to neo-colonialist ideals...but I think that your new revision is fine!! Teixant (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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FYI

I missed Alix (given name) off Alise (disambiguation), seems this French spelling has nothing to do with Latvia. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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No hard feelings

Don't worry... you are entitled to argue your position forcefully, including the fact that you think I got the whole thing wrong. For the record, I think you are allowing your own opinion to color your judgment about how the discussion should have been evaluated. The closure you ask for would, as I say at the MR, have been a terrible example of a supervote. A closer can't read arguments selectively, according to his own view; he must evaluate what was actually said, and weigh the entire body of opinion (and policy interpretation) as impartially as possible. As I understand it, that is the heart of the dispute between us here. Best wishes, Xoloz (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a ton, Xoloz. I appreciate your professionalism and look forward to seeing you around, each of us editing productively! Red Slash 04:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Moving articles to new titles without discussion

Further to our beginning discussions on Talk:Russophobia and Talk:Anglophobia, I see you have continued to move pages in a similar manner as you did those two topics – i.e. choosing similarly named -phobia topics, and moving them without discussion: “Sinophobia” -> Anti-China sentiment; “Albanophobia” -> “Anti-Albanianism” (since reverted by another editor); “Hispanophobia” -> Anti-Hispanic sentiment; “Hungarophobia’’ -> Anti-Hungarianism.

This is in addition to two page moves you made earlier: "Lusophobia" -> Anti-Portuguese sentiment; "Francophobia" -> Anti-Gallicism.

The point is not whether these new titles are arguably more appropriate, but the fact that in none of these cases have you raised this on the respective talk pages, nor do you appear to have given consideration to the fact editors have been building the articles according to their former titles. Your unilateral approach here, it seems to me, is contrary to the spirit of the policy of consensus.

I suggest the right thing to do would be for you reverse all those page changes which have not already been reversed – i.e. Anti-China sentiment, Anti-Hispanic sentiment, Anti-Hungarianism, Anti-Portuguese sentiment and Anti-Gallicism – and open an appropriate discussion on their respective talk pages to discuss your proposed change of title. Just to let you know, I have put all these pages on my watch list. Alfietucker (talk) 09:58, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alfietucker, in order to respect the spirit and good faith with which you wrote this message, and per well-established practice at WP:BRD, I have moved them back and will eventually propose a requested move. Red Slash 02:49, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is very civil of you - thank you. Alfietucker (talk) 08:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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List of names for turkeys

That name seems like it could hypothetically result in people adding entries like "There was one called Fred in the San Diego zoo that was very famous" or "Michael Jackson had one named Professor Gobbly". How about "List of names for the wild turkey" or "List of names for the wild turkey in various languages" or "List of words meaning 'turkey' in various languages"? —BarrelProof (talk) 01:27, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, BarrelProof, I see your point--it just sounds weird to put the word "the" there. "List of names for the (wild) turkey" is just a tad strange-sounding to me. Turkey (word) could be an article, or List of names for turkey or even "Turkey" in other languages. Red Slash 01:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Should I just move it back and file an RM? Red Slash 02:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I don't really care all that much. It seems like a rather unimportant article overall, and maybe I'm off base – I just thought I'd mention my gut reaction upon seeing the move. How about "List of words for turkeys in other languages" or "List of words meaning turkey"? —BarrelProof (talk) 02:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to pick one and move to the title you like. I stumbled upon this page by accident and didn't like the title, but please, take your preferred choice and do what you feel is best! Red Slash 22:09, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Louisville, Kentucky

I'd like to thank you for your refactoring/cleanup of Louisville, Kentucky. I was in the process of doing a lot of changes to the article and your changes made it even better. Cheers! Stevie is the man! ^Talk • Work 12:59, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much! I really, really disliked the (unsourced) dig at Loouhvuhl and Luhvuhl that had been there prior to that. Thanks for your work as well - I appreciate the slimming down of some not-particularly germane information! Red Slash 00:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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What do you mean?

Do "I" have sources, what is that intended to mean? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:54, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In ictu oculi, that was not meant disrespectfully and I unreservedly apologize for offending you, if indeed I did. Are there any sources that indicate that in English, we generally refer to people in Brazil with mixed-race ancestry as "Mestiços"? I would doubt that that's normally the case, and my gut instinct would be that it's like Montreal, where the name has been "anglicized" only in the sense of removing diacritic marks. Of course, my gut instinct is not supremely relevant, but sources are. Red Slash 22:05, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was just wondering why you didn't just click Google Books... that's all. No problem then. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:16, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

please see AjaxSmack's explanation in his reply. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mustang

Please, before commenting, read other responses, perhaps also the recent move request still on the talk. Consider to modify, after looking at Holsteiner horse, for example, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:P

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Template:Ostensible

Hi Red Slash. Is Template:Ostensible, which you created, still required? If not, I'll nominate it for deletion. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 05:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, thanks for asking DH85868993! - speedy it if you'd like! Red Slash 03:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated for speedy deletion. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 04:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Hearts XP.png

Hi.

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