Hello, I'm P,TO 19104. I noticed that you recently removed content from Parvathy Parinayam without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
By mistakenly it happened P,TO 19104 in that Parvathy Parinayam movie page. I will try to do with proper edit summary sir. Thanks for restoring the content. Since I have a lot of doubts regarding how to communicate with senior Wikipedians.
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An article you recently created, Sandhya Mohan, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Ravensfire (talk) 23:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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I have made a number of edits here, and will continue to add to the article. I hope you will be happy with my work. Please let me know if you see any problems. I was very pleased to add a photograph of this remarkable person. Thank you so much for writing this article! Best wishes, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!03:19, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Rahulsoman, I do hope you were trying to be humorous, on your userpage, where you said " just trying to bribe them" (editors and reviewers) "and escape from the chance of rejection." Editors and reviewers will be insulted by the implication that they can be "bribed".
Otherwise...you do realize that anyone can lie about their academic acheivements? This is a strength of EN-WP. We don't rely on credentials, which can be easily falsified. We rely on good writing and verifiable sources.
Please reconsider, and remove this from your userpage, or at the least, add a note saying " ha, ha, just kidding". I wish to be your Wikipedia friend, so I am saying that this is Not the right thing to post on your page. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!03:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Really thanking you for the correction. I just need not to be there in the profile page. I just wrote it in a humorous way but its really an unwanted statement. As a friend can you advice me one more thing. Here i found 90% of the persons use fake or nick names. I kept my real name and real credentials, is it not advisable?
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Keeping nick names are safe is it like that. But once account started i think its not possible to change. If changes our url will be getting changed. Rahulsomantalk - contribs03:26, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I am so glad to hear from you. Yes, many of us use nicknames, as a form of safety. I think that when WP started, so many years ago, and it was just a small website, people used their real names, or some form of them, and many, many people still do! I think most names are fairly common. But the internet has changed over the years. Some editors who are well-known, or have had their real life identity revealed by Doxing have received threats, etc., and have had to involve local law enforcement, like the police, etc. WP is a "big place" and it is read all over the world. Some editors work with contentious articles, and their edits make people angry. My perception is that the contentious artcles usually have something to do with sexuality/sex, politics, race and racism, and maybe, some current aspects of various religions. I think religious history is absolutely safe. Your articles are not in those categories. Your good quality science and cultural articles aren't going to incite crazy people!
Perhaps your name, in India, etc. is not very unusual...my real name is somewhat unusual. At this point, my main concern for you would be Identity theft. It is not because of your real name, I think that, by itself, the name is safe. I would worry that someone could find out information about you, because they could track you through your scientific publications. As an older person, I don't know very much about identity theft, and I suspect you know how to take care of yourself, much, much better than I do! However, I think you are safe. Although you have had good success as a new editor, you are not a high profile person, on EN-WP. I will think about this, and find more information for you to read. Best wishes, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!06:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh thank you for your kind reply Tribe of Tiger, actually by noticing many persons user id and signature i asked that. As you said my name is very popular in India, so its actually good. In current mind set, i dont like or I am not planning to write anything about the sensitive area, basically started account here to writte something in chemistry and refresh my memories. Frankly speaking im not aware much about identity theft, i believe nothing to do with these contents but persons will be there who think even smarter interms of crime. Author in scientific community there is a circle of people who meet in conference and all or contact through institutions, scientific articles also have only limited asses and readership.
WP is really a huge place,
Same time there is nothing to do with Rahulsomantalk - contribs09:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC). This profile is just like a sand particle in sea shore. still while i notice the other people id i had only a small doubt so i just shared here, you really gave a lot of info and boostings extremely thank you for the kind words and time. We keralates are celebrating Onam, a harvest festival.[reply]
Well, then we are agreed that you are safe, in regards to using your name, so no need to worry. You mentioned "a sand particle in sea shore", perhaps you are also a poet! I have read the beginning of the Onam article. The festival must be beautiful! I hope you are having a good time! Take care, and be safe.
Page break, conversation regarding notability
Now, I must tell you that the comments from DGG, (User:DGG is an Adminstrator on WP, and a very good, very experienced editor) regarding the Atsuhiro Osuka article are very good news! He was saying that the festschrift, which in this case is the issue of JPP, proves Osuka's notability! Proving that the person is notable, in relation to WP:BLP, is the most important thing, and you/we have "proved" that by adding the JPP issue to the article. We were discussing this on the article talkpage, I will make additional comments there.
While you are waiting for the draft to be approved, there is time to make the corrections that DGG suggested, and I will help you. I have already made a few changes. You are doing very good work, here on WP. Thank you for your very kind words to me. Our world is experiencing the disaster and deadly threat of Covid-19. But here on WP, we can safely reach our hands out to good editors, from all over the world, and work together. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!01:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I should mention that the festschrift as a proof of notability is a special provision of WP:PROF, which is an exception to the GNG. It has been firmly established for the last 12 years or so that a person need meet either WP:PROF, or the GNG. The other special notability guidelines hold an uncertain relation to the GNG, but this one is definite. DGG ( talk ) 04:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@DGG: thanks for this cmt. I must admit that I did not know abt this special provision. It seemed logical, however, that a special issue of a noted journal, contributed to by his peers, would hold some mark of notability. In the only other article I have been involved with, that featured a festschrit, it was presented as a published book (1994 or so). It is helpful to know that other formats exist as acceptable WP festschrift. Thanks, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!06:22, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi DGG ( talk ) Sir its Rahul Somantalk - contribs20:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC), happy to see your writing here in this page. I have gone through Wikipedia:Notability and in particular GnG (General notability guideline) and the conditions for WP:PROF. Its bit different from how the scientific community measures the persons contribution level. Some special relaxation such as demographic and all really rise some question in mind.[reply]
In case of Prof Osuka draft, as you said Festschrift will be really supporting the Draft to go through revision. Then the credit goes to ```Tribe of tiger```, he only incorporated it (i was aware about the journal edition, but lack of knowledge about the importance of Festschrift in wiki, i just avoided it.)
the primary difference is that science is international, and people are judged as they judge other, on international standards. it most other topics, it tends to be national. That said, in most fieldswe do exhibit a cetain amount of flexibility toward those owking on local problems under local conditionsbut the considerationshere are so various that it is difficult to be specific-after all it is notthe rules that count, but how they are interpreted. There is slao a very-difficult-to-void cultural bias due to unfamiliarity, I am familiar in detail with the standards of the major universities and scientific institutions in the us and western europe, but elsewhereI am aware of only the vey most important. I know the significance of the prizes give by the US and UK, but the further away from that the less I can tell what really counts as prestige. As I have had a role in getting our present rules established, I'd be glad to hear suggestions for improvng them. But remember WP is a little bit of an unusual place, just as we make our own rules, we can make our own exceptions. DGG ( talk ) 08:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@DGG: I am certainly no expert on notability. But in this situation, it did seem to me that "a jury of his peers" could be proof of notability, whether it was provided/printed in a journal or a book. The first Festschrift-notability source, that I was referring to, was published in 2000, and had essays by Church historians/theogolians. So, from an economic stance, it may have made sense to print a paperback book.
In this field of science, a book of essays would probably not be feasible, and so, the special issue of a respected journal "counts" as a Festschrift, per your cmts. As society moves away, perhaps, from print documents, I am sure that WP will follow. While you are reading here, I must say that our good new editor, Rahulsoman, has not quite got the hang of pinging editors, and signing posts, so that they will see his replies. At any rate, if you have the time to open and read this talkpage, you will see his high-quality, good-faith comments and thank you notes, addressed to you! (I have provided a small tutorial, albeit after I noticed his cmts to you.) At any rate, thanks for your cmts. I am a "European American" editor, and really enjoy helping people from other cultures, who speak different languages. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!03:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tribe of Tiger, you are certainly correct--I would normally regard a special issue dedicated to someone as the equivalent. And, just as you say, in many of the fields humanities not only are formal festschrifts the recognized way, sometimes the majority of publication in a special field is in this format ---I've noticed this is one of my hobbies, early medieval history. (and as a European, you will recognize that much European academic publication always has been in paperback from small publishers) The reason the criterion is stated the way it is is because notable scientists invariable have impressive citation figures; the much more dispersed nature of work in the humanities mean that people in those field usually don't, so it was added specifically to WP:PROF to avoid requests for deletion by people who don't realize this. for 12 years now, I've made a special point of trying to keep them from deletion--12 years ago, it was very much more difficult because of the background of the early Wikipedia editors, but I like to think my campaigning may have had something to do with it also. (And if you should encounter articles on notable humanities people that have trouble, please let me know--I will give them priority help.) DGG ( talk ) 06:04, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@DGG: Much respect and thanks to you for your long ago additions to WP:PROF, which has, no doubt, allowed WP to host the biographies of many, many notable people, who might have been left behind, otherwise. I shall keep in mind your offer of assistance. Thanks so much for your continuing service to WP, and its good faith editors. Most sincerely, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!22:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear DGG sir our Draft Atsuhiro Osuka is not yet moved or reviewed even after a very long time. As per your corrections all refinements have done with the help of Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!. The Draft:Atsuhiro Osuka is totally changed now and have a new look after incorporating your comments. So Please consider the articles for revisions. I am totally unaware about how the articles comes to your hand for revisions. As you said the article now full fills the requirements of WP:PROF. Hope you will take my request, expecting your speedy action towards this, that really gives a lot of positive energy to do more and more. Rahul Somantalk - contribs21:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know that your remarks were addressed to User:DGG, but based on my observations, your articles have been moved to Main Space in an unusually quick amount of time. Recently, several other editors were reminded that there are over 3000 articles, in the AFC list, waiting for review, so the process can take months! Do not be discouraged! Let us see what DGG has to say. It is quite an honour to have had their personal attention here.
one thing which is needed here is indeed patience; there is always too much to do, too few interest qualified people to do it, and more material arriving continually. As for reviewing,, I rarely review an article a second time--I think it in general an unfair practice, others people and other views should have a chance. DGG ( talk ) 04:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
While reading this page, I see that you have addressed some remarks to DGG. The only reason he saw my note, was because I used his name in a certain manner, [[User:DGG]], in the middle of my sentence, and then I signed my name at the end.
So, please read WP:PING, paragraph three. If you wanted DGG to see your replies, you must "notify" or as most people refer to it, "ping" him. We call them pings, because they make the little bell icon at the top of the page to have a red mark beside it. Like ringing a bell! It would look like this {{u|DGG}}, or like this [[User:DGG]]. There are several ways to do it, these are easy to remember.
Even though you don't "ping" me, I see your notes on this page, and on the Osuka article, because I have them on my watchlist, see WP:W. This means that I have pressed the tiny star at the top of each page, and I look for new edits when I read my watchlist. A busy editor does not have time, etc to go back and look at every page where they have made a comment. This is understandable. So, if you want to have an editor see your notes to them, on any talkpage, you can start the sentence as:
{{u|DGG}} (substitute the name of whichever editor you are talking to, of course) then type whatever you have to say, and then sign the note with the four tildes ~~~~.
You must sign the note, that is the way the WP computer system knows that it should send a "notification" or "ping" to the editor you are writing to. And, you must sign the note, before you press "Publish". Let me know if you have questions. Sorry to overload you with info, but you, and all new editors, need to know this, along with one hundred other weird things! Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!07:23, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am so pleased to help you, and I can see that you are now making your " pings" properly. Very good! I am sure that you are a busy person in RL (real life). When you did not post for a few days, I thought that you and your family were enjoying the Onam Festival, or that you were busy with your job/work. Not a problem. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!22:33, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!, really you have an amazing memory and kind heart for remembering about Onam and my RL activities. Actually I was unable to go home to celebrate onam with my 3 year old girl. Last few days I was literally stuck here in professional life. Thank you for teaching me how to use "pings ", I am enjoying it.
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by HitroMilanese was:
Likely notable. Additional references from independent and reliable sources are essential. Please add the references and resubmit the draft.
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Dear HitroMilanese, read your comment, anyway you found the article is 'likely notable' & major issue with referencing. I will try to improve citations of the article. So i won't go with the deletion of the article. Let us see Rahul Somantalk - contribs10:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Since all the films are apparently notable , it should easily be possible to find reviews of them that specifically mention the director. DGG ( talk ) 04:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks again, and happy editing!
Dear Rahul, I am so happy that this draft article has been accepted, and moved to Main Space very quickly, thanks to DGG! My congratulations and admiration to you, for your ability to choose worthy and WP notable article topics. This was a good learning experience for me, as an older editor, (in regards to the Festscfrift, and the table for his publications, etc.) and for you, as a new editor. So, we have worked together, and added good information to WP.
As a new editor, you are an asset to the purpose of WP, and I am so pleased that you made the choice to become an editor. Best wishes, as always, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!01:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ DGG ( talk Sir, Thanks a lot for accepting the article Atsuhiro Osuka. Your comments and revision taken the write upto next level, by which helped me learn and search a lot of new things about the wiki editing. So its really productive to get interacted with seniors like you.Rahul Somantalk - contribs08:25, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect! my WP mentor (its really beyond friend). hey I just created the article the remaining things you have done, especially finding Festscfrift which became crucial to get the article go through. After getting the first revision, you made a team with the help of WP:teahouse and all. The team helped to enrich the article Atsuhiro Osuka a lot. Actually I was silently observing how to generate and work as a team here in WP. So I really thank you for taking me as your WP junior student. (apology for gramatic or typos, if any) Rahul Somantalk - contribs08:25, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dinesh Panicker
Rahulsoman, re: these changes, please refrain from adding your own personal commentary, for instance evaluations of critical and commercial success, into articles. What source describes Kireedam as a "major commercial success"? Who said Rajaputhran was the highest grossing Malayalam film of 1996? As for the remainder, you need to avoid using superlative language. Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia, and we're not here to drool over subjects. There is no clear way to objectively quantify "super hit" or "blockbuster" and those labels probably don't belong in articles. Please use neutral language. If you can find a source that describes a film as a "super hit", then using language like "the film was a commercial success" would fit better. I'm further confused at what a "below average hit" is. That almost sounds like we're going out of our way to praise a film. How can something be below-average but also be a hit? And why are we giving praise to Panicker for songs that were "critically acclaimed"? How does a producer get credit for the success of songs he didn't write, perform or sing in? And why are we noting that a director won an award? What role did Panicker have in that? Probably none is my guess. Please remember that this is an article about Panicker and we should probably be focussed on his work and his personal accomplishments, as opposed to spending a lot of time noting other people's accomplishments. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:37, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cyphoidbomb (talk) Sir, I will rewrite it based on comments anyway. I gave proper citations for comments about Kireedam and Rajaputhran. Still Now as you said I will delete it. thanks for the revision.
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Cyphoidbomb (talk), I clarified the questions by removing the praising write-ups. I felt the same once you highlighted the comments about the writings.
What source describes Kireedam as a "major commercial success"?
changed to "the film was a commercial success"
* Who said Rajaputhran was the highest grossing Malayalam film of 1996?
How can something be below-average but also be a hit?
Removed. (but similar words are there in that movie wiki page)
why are we giving praise to Panicker for songs that were "critically acclaimed"? How does a producer get credit for the success of songs he didn't write, perform or sing in? why are we noting that a director won an award?
Removed the sentence, agreed producer cannot claim any intellectual rights
If you feel still its unwanted we can remove my own personal commentary.
I have been watching the YouTube videos of MIZRA MD ARIF [1], and I am impressed with him. He helps to save both people and snakes, and provides education. Can you translate for me? What does "jai hind, jai bharat" mean? He always says this at the end. He lives in Bhadrak, Odisha. Also, what does "Bhadrak Naag Lok" mean?
Hi Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!, Its goood to see the videos of Snake Catcher-MIZRA MD ARIF, in rural places its really needed and there are few recognized persons like him [2] there is a scope of biography for him [3]. But I dont think it will get approved or not there is only very limited information available about him.
jai hind - jai bharat - both means Victory to India, Jai in Hindi word meaning is victory. Hind and Bharath are just other conventional names of India.
Earlier in the year, in all of his videos, when corona virus was first known in India, he always spoke about the dangers of the virus. In one video, during lockdown, he went to rescue three cobras who were tangled in a fishing net, and could not get free. The village people called him for help. But, because they were so interested in what he was doing to free the cobras, the people were crowded in groups. He spoke quite sternly to them, in a loud voice, and told them to "observe social distance". During those early months of corona virus, not only did he provide education about the snakes, he also provided education and warnings about corona virus. [4]. I have great respect for him.
Yes I just heard he is saying CORONA is danger than anything so I am praying you to take care like that. Rural India really needs such persons and actually not persons they are the real heros.
I think you live in Kerala. Do you also have to worry about snakes in your homes? All of the YouTube videos of MIZRA MD ARIF appear to be in rural areas, so I don't know if this is a problem for people who live in urban areas, or towns, or in more modern homes. It seems to me, that wherever there is a food source: mice, lizards/geckos, frogs, etc. snakes may come to an area. I may have more questions, but I don't want to offend you or make you feel uncomfortable, talking about snakes. Also, I would like to ask some respectful questions about religion, if that is okay with you. Thank you, my friend. Sincerely, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!22:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!, In my schooling time I used to stay in very rural village there I remember it was routine for us to find sankes (both venomous snakes and non venomous snakes) inside our house, where my self and my brother used to study. It was a common thing in that place a little bit hilly village area. While we grown up then we changed the place to easy asses the town, now my brother went to California, US. In our place Vava Suresh named one person used to help the villagers. If you are interested you can see his videos with king cobra [5] unfortunately you cannot get understand the language. You can ask any questions about religion, theology was one of my favorate subject in my graduation time, I tried to study about Cristianity and Islam (I belongs to a conventional Hindu family). Shoot your questions. Rahul Somantalk - contribs23:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my, snakes in your house! How did you and your brother get the venomous snakes out of your house? I am so glad that you and your brother are safe. I will look at Vava Suresh's videos. It is a good thing that Mizra, Vava, and hopefully, many other people are willing to help remove snakes in a safe manner, without killing them.
Theology is a very interesting subject. Thank you for your willingness to answer my questions, as I do not know very much about Hinduism. I started reading the WP article about Hinduism, and see that it is probably the oldest religion in the world! With respect, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!04:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Mizra videos, Cobra in Hindu culture
Okay, thanks for translating "jai hind, jai bharat", this is a good thing to say, at the end of the videos. Mizra’s good works are seen by many people who respect him. Not only the You Tube videos, which are viewed worldwide, but, most importantly, by the good villagers. He is saving lives! I think the reward for him is his personal knowledge that he is doing a good thing, for people and snakes.
Hi Tribe of Tiger "jai hind, jai bharat", its all about to show the togetherness. India had a diversity in culture, to overcome that cultural barrier these kind of terms will be useful. I hope i need not explain even more about the diversity, unity can be better explained by slogan. Worldwide audience its really too much dont bring Mirza into a Steve Irwin level. We spoke how this kind of persons serve to humanity lets see the other part. If snake catcher is having criminal tendency read the news it will be shocking [6]. We can writte a story about it snake bit murder case in kerala reported recently. A snake catcher person used snakes to kill his better half. There is scope for a wiki article in it. In world such proven murders are not there. Its hard to prove also, unless otherwise the culprit confess. Rahul Somantalk - contribs20:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Mizra is not famous, like Steve Irwin. What I meant, is that the comments on his YouTube videos are made by people from many different countries, not just India. UK, US, Canada, etc. I think that being respected and appreciated is much better than being "famous". Just imagine Mizra, going into a village late at night, and being followed by 5 or 10 "reporters", asking him questions, taking photographs, and distracting him from his dangerous work. The villagers would not be happy to have so many strangers, and might not want to call Mizra again.
I had already read stories about the murder of Uthra. However, my understanding is that Sooraj bought (purchased) the snakes from Vava Suresh, who is the snake handler.[7] Suresh became suspicious of Sooraj, after Uthra's death.
The idea of using a venomous snake as a murder weapon, is a very old one. The fictional detective Sherlock Holmes once solved a murder mystery, where a snake was used as a weapon. The Sherlock Holmes stories were published between 1887 and 1914. I suspect that over the many centuries, "innocent" snakes have been used by evil people to commit murder. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!22:18, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Tribe of Tiger Its really good that you reminded about the name issue. I have seen one interview of Vava Suresh after the marder, In interview he was saying he is getting a lot of calls by saying the issue. So we want to make it clear. Rahul Somantalk - contribs21:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Rahulsoman: Yes, it occurred to me, that you added the sentence, that this WAS NOT Vava Suresh, because you saw that I was confused by the name. And, other WP readers might also be confused! From the view of a US person, it looks strange to see newspapers referring to people by only one name. At one time, you said that you have a fairly common name. So, if someone named Sooraj, or Suresh, or (Rahul) commits a crime, and the newspapers only report one name, it seems confusing. I think this is a difference in Indian versus US culture. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!22:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In one of his videos, Mizra removed two cobras from a home, and the people knew that it was a good thing to have dangerous serpents taken away, unharmed. But the couple who lived in the house were upset, and felt that God’s blessings would be removed, because the Cobras were removed. Their tears and worry begins at 15:00. At 19:00, you can see the release of the cobras, and the men are bowing, and one is kneeling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQvRbdK_rUM&list=PLgfFdKv10E80DySCMhTA8vD2yHoaOpYPd&index=48
Hi Tiger, its hard task to remove the snake safely. Safely in sense both snake and the human should not get harm. I remember when snake come to our houses that time we think only about oursafety. People used to pour Kerosene on snake, Kerosene damage its skin and it will move away. Here they are taking care of snake also thats why it takes a lot of time. So really big salute to that villagers also.Rahul Somantalk - contribs20:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yes, I agree with you! The safety of people must come first! In one video, Mizra was saying to the viewers that they should not try to remove a snake, unless they had training. The translation was not very good, but I could understand that he also said " just because you have watched a YouTube video, that does not provide the training." Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!21:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In another Mizra video, many people placed their hands together, and bowed towards the Cobra, and other people got down on their knees, and placed their foreheads on the ground. (I will try to find a link to this video.)
From my Western, Christian viewpoint, I think that they may not be worshipping the snake, as an individual animal, but perhaps, what the Cobra represents. Is this correct? Yes, this is a dangerous animal, but it is also beautiful.
Hi Tribe of Tiger, to write something about the religion point of view in a public platform is a bit hard task because people around the world is having a very different opinion. So what ever I writes here is absolutely from my todays Views, the view points about religion and god always used to change upon age/time (this only will happen if you see them not in a prejudice mind).
Snake worship is a part of conventional Hinduism. I am not good in Hindu mythology, unlike Christianity and other modern religions around, this old religion does not offer any compulsory training or classes to youngsters (Sunday bible class and morning Arabic class was there for my friends, in my case my father was a Sanskrit teacher he dint allow his kids to study Sanskrit, so I am not a trained person to speak about the Hinduism).
The god concept in Hinduism may looks odd comparing with modern religions because you can find numerous god and goddess here. Since its an ancient concept, it says worship to nature and its creations. Your question was about Cobra. Cobra or Nāga had a pivotal role here, Hindu god Shiva use cobra as neck ornament.
Another god Vishnu take rest on snake, it looks similar to cobra with multiple heads. So by hearing all this myths, definitely people does worship to cobra and all snakes. So in one aspect its good they wont do much harm to the nature, they will be worried to attack by fearing god. It may taste different or ancient to Western peoples. Thank you Rahul Somantalk - contribs00:11, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are monotheistic. Personally, I accept and respect other religions, like Hinduism, Buddhism, Native American beliefs, etc., which may see "Gods/Goddesses" in other forms, etc. Here you said
The god concept in Hinduism may looks odd comparing with modern religions because you can find numerous god and goddess here. Since its an ancient concept, it says worship to nature and its creations.
I think these words are beautiful. Hinduism is very ancient, much older than the religions mentioned above. And now, when we are (suddenly) concerned about the health of our planet and its plants and animals, worshipping, or at least, respecting and caring for nature, and its creations seems like a very, very good thing.
Thanks for providing the photos/artwork, so I could see what you were talking about! The sculpture of Shiva is beautiful, and I can see the Cobras, but as an American, I would not have realized that Vishnu is resting on what is intended to represent several cobras. Thanks also, for the link to Snake worship, this is very helpful. I had awareness about Egypt and the Americas, but did not think to look for this article, and read about India. So, I will read and try to learn. Even here, in Western civilization, we have "snakes", as symbols, see Cauceus [[8]] and then the Caduceus as a symbol of medicine [[9]].
Thank you so much for talking to me, it is a very rewarding and interesting conversation! I have a much better understanding now, of the nice villagers that Mizra helps and protects. Discussion of religion is a difficult thing and a personal topic, and I thank you for your willingness to teach me. If you have questions about Christianity, I will answer. Although I grew up in a "conventional Christian area", over the past 45+ years, (I am 61) my thoughts have become open, accepting and welcoming to the religions of other people. My best wishes to you, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!04:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Not "Teaching", just "telling"
Hi Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect! No doubt Mizra is doing literally great job to the persons and snakes around, Such persons are really needed and encouraged. You mentioned
Discussion of religion is a difficult thing and a personal topic, and I thank you for your willingness to teach me.
its not because religion is personal thing, I used to think very much about the religious views and god. But there are a lot of crazy persons around, they will feel problem for everything. Please dont use the word teach and all, its just a healthy discussion.
@Rahulsoman: Again, we have cultural values, attached to words, this is normal, I think. In the US, UK, etc, someone can be a "teacher" of cooking food, or weaving cloth, or changing the tire on a car. I know that you are just "telling" me about what you know, from your own observations of life around you. As you say, this is just a discussion, and I know that you are not a Guru, or a Swami, etc., just a normal person discussing. I will use the word "discussion", from now on, thank you for telling me. I do not want crazy people to bother you. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!22:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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If you have questions about Christianity, I will answer.
My question about Christianity is, In front of god the sin done by "adolf hilter" and "a person who is telling lies". Are they same or different?
This is a good question, and, like you, I am not an expert or an authority. So, I am speaking my own views, but I think that most Christian and Jewish people will agree with what I have to say. The two sins are different, because some sins are much, much, worse than others!
First of all, a very important part of both Christianity and Judaism are The Ten Commandments. Commandment #6 says " you should not commit murder". Hilter committed the sin of Murder, by causing the deaths of millions of innocent people, and treated them in cruel ways. What he did was so bad that it was considered to be "a crime against humanity". So, "in front of God" we think that this was a truly terrible sin.
Now, if you read the Ten Commandments, you will see that Commandment #9 says "you should not bear false witness against your neighbor". If you want to understand this, read the second paragraph of this article, which does a good job of explaining the concept. What the Commandment in the Bible is prohibiting, absolutely, as a sin, is the type of lie, known as "perjury". If a man witnesses his neighbor, Mr. A, steal something from Mr. B, it is a "sin" for him to report to others that the theft was done by Mr. C. What if Mr. C is driven from his home, or executed, because of this lie? So, you can see that the intent of the lie (and the consequences that follow), are very important, from the view of Christianity.
But, if we move beyond Perjury, lies are more difficult. Human society has to "tell lies" every day, if you really think about it. I think that it is "the intent" of the lie, that is most important. For example, if a little child comes to you, and says "look at this beautiful picture I have drawn", even if it is ugly, a kind adult person will tell a lie, and say that the picture is very good! Likewise, if a friend gets married, and loves their new spouse, and thinks that the spouse is beautiful/handsome, even if you do not agree, you will tell a lie, and say, "yes, she/he is very nice." These sorts of lies are needed in everyday, kind human society.
Sorry, to write so much, but this is important, and I think people of other religions, not just Christians or Jews, would agree with Commandments #6 and #9. Thank you for asking this question, I like Theology too! I enjoy our discussions. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!02:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tribe of Tiger thanks for the reply. I will leave a detailed reply soon.
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Rahul, you are doing great work, here on WP! Your article was accepted so quickly, that I did not even have a chance to read it first! I am so happy for you. Even though you are a new editor, you have a very good understanding of what sort of biography articles will be notable, from a WP viewpoint. As a reader of WP, I thank you for adding good articles to "our encyclopedia". Some scientists are not recognized, because they are not famous, like film stars, etc. I think it is wonderful that you can provide them with an article, for future reference. Thank you for the good work you are doing. Best,Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!04:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
DGG sir l, Thanks a lot for accepting article Timothy D. Lash. Found the article got selected in stub-class, i search meximum to get it enriched but that i found only that much. Definitely i will try to improve the article to next level thanking you. Rahul Somantalk - contribs09:01, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear T Tiger, extremely happy to read your motivational comments. I like your comment, which we often used to discus in our tea table, "Some scientists are not recognized, because they are not famous, like film stars, etc."
T. D. Lash is a real scientist, his contributions to porphyrin chemistry feild is really great, there is not much media coverage for him. He have developed a class of carbaporphyrin and all. These compounds found any application in cancer research means his contributions will be getting even more attention and he also will become a real life hero to society which will be bigger than a film star. Rahul Somantalk - contribs09:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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@Rahulsoman: My friend, as usual, you are very good at finding new article subjects. I hope you will not mind if I add to your draft. I have made the usual English corrections. But I have also read all of your sources, as well as some others, and I would like to add more information to the article.
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Happy to read your edits in the articleTribe of Tiger. You are the person behind the article, you asked about the Mizra snake videos and all, then I just gone through some news and all then it clicked.
There are some important statements, regarding her dowry, and also, Sooraj seems to have been "in trouble" before, by doing something dishonest at the bank where he worked. (I seem to remember that the parents of Uthra gave Sooraj money, to get him out of trouble.) If you do not mind, I would like to add this sort of information. Frankly, after reading so many sources, I have the feeling that after Uthra provided Sooraj with a child, he was ready to kill her, so that he could have her dowry gold, and then marry some other young woman, for her "money".
"Let me clear my view point, I am totally against the dowry system in India, its complicated and I will discuss soon later somewhere here". Yes now police is proving that only, think you already wrote in the article about the dowry issue.
Rahulsoman I understand and agree with your viewpoint. We can wait until the police and courts have made a determination about the case. There is no hurry. If you want to discuss this, at a later time, that is fine, but we do not have to discuss at all, if you would rather not. This is not a pleasant topic. Take care, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!06:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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You must add to it let it get enriched, after knowing about the story it was literally hounding me, because I am father of small baby girl.
@Rahulsoman: I was thinking about your lttle daughter, too. And worrying about all the parents, like you, who love and value their little girls, and hope that their daughters grow up to have a good life, with a kind and loving husband. Perhaps the good men of your younger generation, will help to change some of the old cultural attitudes. Of course, the news only reports "the worst things", and I hope that the truth is actually much, much better. But, I have read, that because of the preference for sons, many men in China, have little hope of getting married, and raising a family, because of a "shortage of women." Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!02:46, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Another thing, that I read (here on WP, or through a WP source) is that unless a "confession" is made in the presence of a Magistrate or a Judge, it is not admissable in a court of law. This would have the effect of allowing Sooraj to confess to the public media, but he might not be able to be convicted in a court of law, based on that confession. You are an educated person...What do you know about this? Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!00:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you told right, if he says I have not done infront of court then it will become a hard case to prove. But Extra judicial confessions [10] will be having its on importance. I think still its a hard case infront of the police to prove proper. So while our edit here in the page also should be based only on news citations in total neutral view point. Rahul Somantalk - contribs22:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Once again thanks. I will go through the comments in detail soon later
@Rahulsoman: If you don't mind, I am going to move this conversation to the Draft talkpage. I have some more comments to make, and it occurrs to me that it would be easier it we keep them with the Draft. I will copy our comments, thus far, to the TP. Hope that is okay. (I did not move the comments about family, little girls, etc)Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!03:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Okay, I know you have a busy life, but if you have time, you might like this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDQnokUFiug A leopard has fallen into a deep, dry well, and must be rescued. If you start watching at 9 minutes, you will see the important parts of the rescue. At 14 minutes, the rescue team gathers to make a speech. (Can you provide me with a short translation summary?) Are these people members of the Indian Forest Service? What are they planning to do with the beautiful leopard? Where in India did this rescue occur?
I think this shows the kindness of the Indian people. Many people are gathered at the well, and they are so excited and happy to see the leopard rescued! Although I cannot understand the language, the cheers of happiness need no translation!
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Its not busy life, not in mood to come here. I have already seen the leopard rescue video before through social media, now once again I watch it. Its an exciting venture done by Maharashtra Forest Department, I think. They are speaking Marathi, I can understand the Marathi language only very less (I served as a government hospital pharmacist in Mumbai for 6 months), they are saying where they are going to release the leopard.
I can see your good heart by reading the minds of Indian peoples, and it is funny too "excited crowd character in India" is not that good, its having a lots of back stories[1].
Although WP has an article titled Indian Forest Service, it does not seem to say very much about the duties they perform. In Kerala snakebite murder, we have this source, [2] which mentions “forest department”, and in Vava Suresh, the Forest Department is mentioned. I think this is the same thing as the Indian Forest Service. If so, then I think it would be good to add to Indian Forest Service some information about wildlife rescues and wildlife protection. I know that the Leopard is considered to be a “Threatened species”, so if they do work in this area, we should add this (and more!) to the WP article.
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Dear Tribe of Leopard, Indian Forest Service is literally huge topic and they are subdivided further into many zones. Leopard story will come in different head as I mentioned above it will come under Maharashtra Forest Department. Kerala forest department is dealing with the vava suresh and Snakebite murder case.
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A patent! Oh my, this is truly wonderful news! Congratulations! I knew that you were very busy with your work, so I did not expect a reply. Perhaps in a few months time, you can tell me more, if that's appropriate. Anyway, I am very happy that your work has resulted in a patent filing, and I am so, so, pleased for you! Hopefully, we will reconnect in 2021. In the meantime, I wish you and your family the very best of health and happiness. Sincerely, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!02:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Here at the Teahouse, [11]. I read your question regarding the Vijilesh Karayad article. The editor who moved your draft, Vzaxjay, only had 21 edits, all to the VK page. I think it is safer for you to ask an Admin to move it back to a WP:Draft, so you have time to work on it, and have it reviewed by WP:AFC. You could ask Administrator User:DGG, who was so helpful with Atsuhiro Osuka. I can think of some other helpful Administrators, if needed.
Frankly, it is rather strange that a new editor (Vzaxjay) would come and move your article. This places your work in danger of being "speedily deleted" by WP:NPP, so they were not acting in your best interests, in my opinion. You might want to review the @16 edits that they made to your work. Let me know if I can help. Best, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!07:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(Added second)Yes, after Rahulsoman has done the hard work of creating the article, a person who is not familiar with the rules and regulations of Wikipedia, moves the article to Mainspace. This endangers Rahulsoman's good work, and takes advantage of Rahulsoman, who is a good editor. Vzaxjay, an extremely new editor, with "a profile" doesn't realize that their short-sighted actions may disturb Rahulsoman's excellent record of creating good articles, and possibly cause the article to be deleted. Rahulsoman has made a good decision to just let Vzaxjay, or you, manage the consequences of these actions. A person might know how to drive a car, but they need to understand speed limits and stop signs, in order to drive on a road with other people. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!00:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to bother you, but Vijilesh Karayad seems similar to Vzaxjay, in some way. A person who doesn't know how WP works, might think it good to move "their" article (an article about themselves) directly into Mainspace, without being aware of the problems that could cause it to be deleted. Unfair to take advantage of "Rahulsoman" who is a good editor with an excellent record of having his worthy articles accepted and published, here on WP. I have great respect for you, and think that other people should too. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!08:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
i think Vzaxjay is a personal editor to Vijilesh Karayad or by himself. But that does not bothers me much now. Last day while I saw it suddenly I got irritate, but its ok for me now. Vzaxjay dint perform other violations. So now let them work in that personal page. i think for this silly issues we brings user:DGG sir and all he will be unhappy. Rahul SomanDiscussions - contribs09:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(Added first) Rahul, First. Please do not worry...DGG would not be unhappy with you (or me). Many years ago, he decided to become an Administrator, in order to help editors resolve this sort of problem. He is a fair and helpful person. Second. I respect your ability to "stop being irritated" and decide to just let this person edit the page. Third. I apologize for acting like an old and protective Tiger, and inserting my "nose and whiskers" into this situation. Respect and best wishes to you and your family, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!23:53, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Already, Administrator Cyphoidbomb has made disapproving comments, [12] concerning the additions by Vzaxjay: Del [delete] unsourced BLP [Biographies of Living Persons] content. This is why we incubate drafts in Draft space. Content from Career section was copied from the source, i.e. it is a COPYRIGHT VIOLATION. So, Vzaxjay has violated Wikipedia standards, and information has been removed. Very unkind to treat Rahulsoman's work, in this manner. Fortunately, it is quite obvious that Rahulsoman did not add the copied section. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!03:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The copyright violation was added by Rahulsoman when he created the article. Rahul, you cannot copy or closely paraphrase content from other sources. The content you added was very close to what was found here in the paragraph that begin "After completing". If you can't write in your own words and summarise properly, then you should not be adding prose content. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cyphoidbomb, with respect, Rahulsoman started this article, but it wasn't (I think) ready to be submitted. Another party moved it, without providing him the time to make corrections. Of course, copyvios are never acceptable, even in a Draft. I am troubled by an outside party (with @21 edits) moving a Draft to Mainspace. Is this normal? Thanks, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!04:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Copyright violations are not acceptable in drafts, just like unsourced biographical details would not be acceptable in drafts. No, it is not normal for a "new" editor to move a draft article, as that's typically a skill someone with experience has, and people who are in a rush to move something to live space often do so because they have some sort of agenda known only to them, like undisclosed paid editing. I'm not saying that's the case here, but these are often the signs of that sort of behaviour. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:32, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cyphoidbomb, Well, we are in agreement, per copyvios. My apologies for not reading carefully. Next: Thanks for the confirmation, concerning Vzaxjay (talk·contribs) and an IP. If you open this talkpage, and read under "Teahouse question", you will understand my concerns. It seems that these two "people " latched onto Rahulsoman's draft, and moved it, for their own purposes. The IP practically admits as much. An agenda and possible UPE, yes, but I think at least one of the editors, (V and the IP) are, in fact, the subject of the article. Thanks so much for your reply. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!04:57, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jeromeenriquez was:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
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Too short for a biography. Need more references and content in the article.
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this isn't my field in the slightest, and I cannot judge the notability of the subject, but the comment left by Jeromeenriquez has confused me a little. There is no such thing as "being too short for a biography"--see WP:STUB . What is possible is for a biography to include insufficient information to indicate a basis for notability, or insufficient references to prove the notability . DGG ( talk ) 00:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear DGG
When I said too short, I meant it doesn’t even qualify for a biography yet. I was simply giving a chance to the editor to expand it and provide more valuable information and references to make it qualify for a biography. I could have rejected but I thought that the article deserves one chance because subject is notable and editor have done some hard work. Nothing personal. Jeromeenriquez (talk)
Didn't mean to make a big deal of it; I try to notice wording that might confuse new contributors. I recognize the great difficult of helping new contributors in that field, and the patient work you are doing. Myself, I tend to think if it shows notability it isn't too short, but that depends on the importance of the films, which I can not judge. I do not even attempt to judge that industry outside the US. DGG ( talk ) 01:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rahulsoman, please note that WP does allow citations/ references that are written in non-English languages, as long as they are the usual sort of Reliable Source (RS). Perhaps a non-English source will provide additional biographical information, so that you may expand this article. I believe we have some AFC reviewers who may be from India and/or can read the languages, if confirmation is needed. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!03:28, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your thread has been archived
Hi Rahulsoman! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse, I created the page Vijilesh_Karayad, has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days (usually at least two days, and sometimes four or more). You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please feel free to create a new thread.
In English, these are words that relate to time. Example-- Soon: "I am very hungry, and want to eat in the next few minutes." So we would say, "I want to eat soon". This word is also used talk about an action that we hope will happen in the future. " I will get married, and soon, I will have a family/child".
Example-- Later: "I am not hungry now, so I will eat my food a few hours from now." So, we would say, "I want to eat later". This word is also used to show the consequences of an action. "He hit his friend's dog/cat with his car. Later, he felt very sad."
So, you will see that these two words are not used together, because they represent different moments in time. If a person writes a sentence stating: "Soon later he ate a meal" this doesn't make sense in English. I hope this helps. Ask me if you have questions, I may not be explaining very well. Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!04:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the nice explanations. Since I am from a Non English speaking country my language and grammar will be having such problems. Because there will be routinely using sentenses that i used to convert as such to English by word by word, that creates difficulty in understanding for an international reader. While you wrote it I just remember the corresponding words if we use in my native language there will not troublesm Rahul Soman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.69.142 (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have the greatest respect for your ability to write in English, since this is not the language of your country. I "speak" only one language, and you "speak" four languages! I decided to mention this, because I had noted this small error several times, and thought it would be helpful for me to explain. I am very honored to assist you and I am happy that my explanation helped. With respect, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!02:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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I am sure it may be some time before you read this, but I have tried to follow the Kerala Snakebite Case court case, and add information as it is available. If you find something new and have time, just copy the URL to the last section of the article's talkpage. I will see the information and add it to the article. I added some more information recently.
We are WP friends and though we talk about religion a bit, we don't talk about politics. From my point of view, January 6th was a terrible, horrible and frightening day for my country, and I was so very pleased when we had a good day, with good people, on January 20th. Thanks for being friendly and kind to this older American. Sending you a WP hug, hope you are well...Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!07:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, Rahulsoman. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Appa Haja".
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Over time, I have been checking the news concerning Kerala snakebite murder and saved some sources on the talkpage to include in the article. If you find anything about the court case, or convictions, you could copy the source to the talkpage, and I will work on it, at some future time. I enjoyed working with you, very much! Take care of yourself and best wishes to you, Tribe of TigerLet's Purrfect!21:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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