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Thank you for being so vigilant in updating List of unlawfully killed transgender people and for reverting so many names back to the list where they belong. 50.88.244.231 (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for being so vigilant in updating List of unlawfully killed transgender people. We really appreciate it. Stay safe. 166.187.54.120 (talk) 17:24, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Oh, dear. I think I cheated a bit, though. Additionally, it seems that I don't think about anything but Stephin Merritt. I hope both work and California itself are exquisite. Apparently, MOCA is running "Night Vision" shindigs every Saturday night with "artmaking, screenings, groundbreaking DJs, live music, spoken word, guided tours, and a cash bar" this summer. With a membership card, one gets free admission for two and free parking. Would you be interested in being mailed MuCC's membership card? (In retrospect, I should have thought to leave it with you earlier.) Adrian Sampson 20:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How's that cheating. Plus I already knew you have Merritt-track mind. Try to stop think what the 70th love song woulda been like and send me that card. Rab V 00:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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162.246.117.233 (talk) 19:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC) johnnie ray had a son ... the more you know.[edit] did you know johnnie had a son born in 1956 this boy had 2 fathers, lover of johnnie ray,kept secret for many years also some family members know of his existence, some articles have been written but he has kept himself low key for so many years, at the age of 60 years old many friends family members of johnnies have embraced him, him name was lary, at this point, he lives in las vegas, and is the biological of johnnie ray, alot of the information is not correct. if you would like to contact him about any of the information regarding you editing of these articles, please leave your message here so we may correspond, 162.246.117.233 (talk) 19:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transphobia&oldid=prev&diff=821896182

Hi! Because the term 'person of color' is a US-only term (the term isnt used outside of the US), statements about 'person of color' should be assumed to be US-centric unless the author says otherwise.

Wikipedia is about what is verifiable, not necessarily the truth. I don't doubt that trans discrimination of an intersectional nature happens elsewhere in the west, but we need refs that state this explicitly. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:05, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm confused about your claim about the term since I'm outside the U.S. and see it used here often. But my mainissue was more the phrasing you used seemed to imply something you didn't mean. Rab V (talk) 09:52, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Which country are you located in, if you are comfortable disclosing? I would expect it would be a western country (such as Canada, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand, or possibly Latin America) and understandably I could see the same paradigm there too. The problem with "person of color" is that the term becomes completely meaningless in other places, such as Japan, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Singapore, China, etc.
The reason why I added "in the United States" is that it's contextually necessary with the source and the phrase. Otherwise the article is slanted towards a United States/Western-worldview; articles on Wikipedia need to reflect a global worldview (as per Template:Globalize). Either "in the United States" or "in Western countries" etc. ought to be added to make the article comply with the worldview requirement. We'll need to look at the reference to determine which one is the best to use. Thankfully it's on Google Books so I can check it for context, whether the author is talking about the US or western countries in general.
As a matter of fact one of the templates states: "The examples and perspective in this article may not represent a worldwide view of the subject. (October 2015)"
It would be unfortunate for people to mistakenly think the intro is saying intersectionality-abuse doesn't happen anywhere but the US, but nonetheless I see it as the reader's responsibility for seeing something that isn't there.
WhisperToMe (talk) 12:06, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Based on Page 14 (Alternate page link) from the book, he is talking exclusively about the United States. I did a "search" function for "Canada" and "Europe" in both books and couldn't find them.
If you want to say that this happens outside of the United States, you need to find a reference that supports this explicitly. Verifiability is key.
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Revert of my edit at transmisogyny

Please clarify what you objected to in my edit, specifically where I wasn't neutral. I probably should have clarified the distinctiom between prejudice against femininity vs prejudice against females but what's non-neutral about saying radical feminists believe X because of Y? I appreciate your feesback. :)--Monochrome_Monitor 20:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This conversation should probably be on the article's talk page so other editors can participate as well. Your edit summary was clear you're edit was based on your own reasoning as opposed to reliable sources though. Rab V (talk) 20:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of my edit at transfeminsim

Hi, I was wondering what you meant by a Wikipedia voice. Could you clarify, so I can rework my edit?

Kaitlin 121 (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaitlin 121:Sure! It should be clear from each sentence whether an argument is being made by Wikipedia itself or by some other person. This is especially important for contentious topics. For example 'John Doe argues the Earth is flat. That is why gravity always works in the same direction' would not be OK but 'John Doe argues the Earth is flat. He argues that is why gravity always works in the same direction' would be fine. You can read more about this at Wikipedia:Point of view, the quick summary from there is 'Avoid stating opinions as facts.' Rab V (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Rav V: Okay, that makes so much more sense! Thank you! So if I were to write-
Other Radical feminists, according to Michelle Goldberg, refuse to include trans women on the basis of choice. She argues that trans women have a choice in the way society views them, a choice in their gender identification, and a choice no other woman typically experiences.[3] Goldberg believes cis women do not have that same choice. Rather, she thinks women continue to be seen as inferior in a patriarchal world. By demanding acceptance, Goldberg thinks trans women are further expressing a different form of male entitlement.[3] Kaitlin 121 (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think that avoids the issue. I'd maybe try to condense the Goldberg's argument a bit too but that's my preference.Rab V (talk) 21:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of black films of the 2010s

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Hannah Mouncey

I think Mouncey was notable under her previous name as she played for Australia at the 2013 World Men's Handball Championship. The article was created in 2013, and was moved from Callum Mouncey at the end of 2017. Jack N. Stock (talk) 01:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. Rab V (talk) 02:45, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm the person who added Wynn to Feminist views on transgender topics, which later got moved to TERF. You mentioned in an edit reason that it's not clear whether the author of a certain statement meant she was trans and a feminist or a trans feminist. I intended to mean that she was trans and a feminist; I have no idea whether she is a transfeminist, but the source that she's trans is the same YouTube video that's the source for the claim (or essentially any of her other videos) and the source that she's a feminist on her own page is this. LokiTheLiar (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@LokiTheLiar: Hi there! I was mainly unsure of the usage since the same phrase was linked to transfeminism in the previous sentence. Maybe referring to her as a transgender feminist or trans woman feminist is a good way to avoid other readers being confused too? And the secondary source looks good! Primary sources are fine for describing someone's gender identity. The secondary source is helpful if we are also calling her a feminist or transfeminist. PS I don't mind responding here but my preference is to talk things out on respective article talk pages so others can join. Rab V (talk) 00:11, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Assigned sex

Hi Rab V. Thank you for your edit at ICD-11#Gender incongruence. Did you see these two threads: User talk:Manifestation#Assigned sex and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Gender identity#Assigned sex.

In transgender people, a distinction is usually made between the assigned sex and gender identity, with "assigned sex" in this context essentially meaning the gender they are "born with". But if you're trans, then the desired gender is your 'true' gender, which would be the gender you are *really* born with. So, the phrase "assigned sex" is arguably meaningless, notwithstanding its widespread use. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No I did not. This seems like the kind of thing that should be in the talk page of the article in question instead of on my talk page or those other pages so editors working on the article can see it. Would you be OK with moving this convo there? Either way all phrases are meaningless without their common use. Wikipedia is not the place for novel language from individual editors, we should follow what is common in quality RS so we are as clear and legible as possible. Rab V (talk) 20:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So, what you're basically saying is: if an RS says something, then we should say it. But what if it's wrong? Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 18:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please make a section in the appropriate talk page Talk:ICD-11 to have this conversation so all relevant editors can be involved or look up this conversation happened. Rab V (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Radcliffe admits he has Racist friends

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Twice I've had my additions regarding daniel Radcliffe admission of having racist friends removed. Once with the excuse of not being notable, the other being trivia. It will and should be added.

Radcliffe confession is both part of the public and media domain and that makes it notable and important to add. It's both credible and not trivia supported by renowned media reports/sources Hpdh4 (talk) 00:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page for article in question is where I'd prefer to discuss this so it's easier for other editors to follow. Rab V (talk) 01:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your recent good-faith edit removing her birth name. I have reverted this as the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the articles talk page and a local consensus to include the birth name has been established. The Manual of Style is only a Wikipedia guideline and not a Wikipedia policy and as such local consensus can form which provides an exception to following the Manual of Style, as has occurred in this case. Please do not re-remove the birth name unless you can gain a fresh consensus on the talk page of the article regarding removing the birth name. This is because a new consensus is needed to be shown before removing content which has a firm consensus. Sparkle1 (talk) 12:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer to talk about this on the Nicole Maines article talk page so other interested editors may see or comment on the discussion. Rab V (talk) 17:17, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please feel free but Please be aware the consensus is very long-standing and relates to a book which Maines took part in authoring and openly published her birth name. This is not a case of a privacy issue as claimed as Manes has waived any privacy regarding this issue by taking part in a book which is authorised by Maines which released her birth name and was the initial basis for her notability surrounding the Maine Court Case surrounding School bathroom usage. I say this before you make arguments which have been made before and the consensus has come to the conclusion that inclusion is warranted and Maines agreed to the publishing of her birth name as part of her notability surrounding the court cases. Sparkle1 (talk) 17:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please discuss on the talk page. Rab V (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do not remove the birth name from the article until you have established that new consensus exists to warrant the removal. The new policy does not give carte blanche for the removal of all birth names on all articles. It has to be justified and applied with common sense. Also, be aware MOS:Deadname is part of the manual of style and is a guideline. Maines has also waived privacy here as she was part of the authorship of the book which published her birth name. The onus will be on you to show that the privacy issue is genuine or that consensus has changed. Do not remove as you are being disruptive by going against the current consensus. Multiple users have reverted removal of the years it has been included. Sparkle1 (talk) 17:37, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have started a discussion on the talk page of that article if you'd like to discuss this in a more appropriate place. Rab V (talk) 17:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the extensive response I have given to you I strongly advise against you going forum shopping you will be seen as being disruptive when combined with your ignoring of the existing local consensus and a failure to read that local consensus. The most appropriate venue is the talk page which initially reached the existing local consensus and that local consensus will need to be shown to no longer exist. I also advise against asking around as that could be seen as asking for help to bolster your position artificially. Sparkle1 (talk) 17:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to point out that you began editing the article on 31 August 2017‎ so you should be well aware of the consensus surrounding the longstanding inclusion of her birth name and the longstanding local consensus. Please do not act like you are new and unfamiliar. Sparkle1 (talk) 18:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear I am asking you not edit my talk page any further and discuss your issues on the article's talk page in question. See WP:NOBAN. Rab V (talk) 18:14, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! What source are you referring to in this diff? Srey Srostalk 22:02, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I was referring to a source I now see was recently removed from that sentence, here. Rab V (talk) 03:29, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello! No fault on your part, but it seems the subject really doesn't want it here. So per discussion at User_talk:331dot#Do_not_ever_condescend_to_me_again,_baby!_KOKUMOTheQueenOfQueerSoul_(talk)_12:44,_4_March_2021_(UTC), it seemed a reasonable thing to try. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Gavilán Rayna Russom

Perhaps you have a better idea about this, but it seems evident, per individual's preference, that WP:DEADNAME should apply, have changed accordingly, is this the right call? Acousmana (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LGB Alliance

Hi there, I noticed that this edit to "LGB Alliance" did not use the name mentioned in the source you linked (a potential BLP issue); I have now updated the article to use the correct name as shown in the source. Tvcameraop (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Little Girl

Hi. I might be wrong on reverting your edit to Little Girl, but isn't saying such stuff as "A girl assigned male at birth" or "At school, Sasha is not allowed to appear as a girl but must wear gender-specific boys' clothes", is implying that a person is a lesbian?--Filmomusico (talk) 20:57, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for asking. A girl who was assigned male at birth means she is likely a trans girl. A lesbian is a woman who is attracted to other women and this film doesn't appear to discuss whether this kid is attracted to boys or girls according to those sources. Rab V (talk) 21:41, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So, how should I write it then? On the cover - she is a girl. In sources - she is trans.--Filmomusico (talk) 21:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I wrote it as "trans girl Sasha". Seems good now.--Filmomusico (talk) 22:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sameness: meaning and accuracy

Hi Rab V. Please see my discussion topic on the Cisgender talk page. Thanks. :) --PaulThePony (talk) 06:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:DEADNAME and recently deceased persons

Hey. I wanted to address this here, to see what you think. I had a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity#Discussion timeline, and I saw that there was a 2021 RfC of relevance to the discussion at Talk:Holly Woodlawn. That RfC closed with no consensus, in no small part due to a split vote between three options. What do you think of a new RfC on MOS:DEADNAME, where the question is something like the simple straighforward "Should we insert 'or recently deceased' into the sentence 'If a living transgender or non-binary person was not notable under a former name'"? That would bring it more in line with the BLP policy, which also has the caveat of 'living or recently deceased'. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:37, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is a reasonable suggestion! I hope we can also have clarity on how to discuss trans people deceased further in the past as well but I think your suggestion would be an easier addition to MOS. Rab V (talk) 01:43, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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