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User talk:Postdlf/Archive6
CategoriesHere on WP there is a unwritten rule, that birth and death categories are at first then birth location, heritage, profession, religion categories and so on. --ThomasK 10:39, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
As I said at the other talk page: You are stupid. That´s a silly thing. There is a trend reflected in many articles. First the birth and death dates, because this is about a person, then heritage, following profession. The bots on WP are doing this for a reason! Remember: This is a encylopaedia! --Mabm 08:29, 8 September 2005 (UTC) "How insane" by User:Postdlf is actually a personal atack, too. Quote of the wp policy: Users have been banned for repeatedly engaging in personal attacks. " Do you want already abuse your admin power? This was my first time and last time. I made my point about the categories order. Let´s agree to disagree. --Mabm 08:48, 8 September 2005 (UTC) I am posting this to all the particants of the Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Books by title discussion and debate. (Where the categories were voted for deletion). This earlier discussion has been cited as an example as to why the category Category:Mountains by Elevation (km) (and sub cats) should be deleted. Could you please take a look at the following CFD and vote. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 September 1#Category:Mountains by Elevation (km) and its subcategories A complication could be that Category: British Hills by Height seems be to liked by the actual British Hills content contributors. By contrast the category Category:Mountains by_Elevation (km) is not liked by User:RedWolf who seems to be a major Mountain page contributor. Special note: the Ocean trenches by depth categories were added after the all of the people had voted. But frankly these have no real contributors and would probably get deleted if another vote was taken. You should specifically mention these to ensure there is no confusion in future. ThanX ¢ NevilleDNZ 11:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC) ¢ Postdlf! My God, man, I haven't seen you in ages! How are you? With respect to your note, I'd be surprised if there was not some good source out there already pointing out the irony which caught your attention. Before you invest any effort in this article, however, you may want to check out the deletion vote (they're calling them AfDs now instead of VfDs). Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 21:27, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Images for deletionThe images in article Sarah Michelle Gellar are now a GFDL and DVD cover. Can we let the image Image:Cosmopolitan August 2002.jpg be deleted? Image:SMG Buffy season 2.jpg was put back in the article. Thanks --Nv8200p (talk) 23:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I realize that there were strong feelings on both sides with respect to the outcome of the AfD for this article, now located at Alternative theories regarding Hurricane Katrina. I would like to assure those who expressed concerns about the content, tone, and potential for degradation of this article that I intend for it to continue to exist only as long as is necessary to draw the contributions of fringe theorists away from the more substantial Hurricane Katrina articles. Once interest in this topic dies down, I'll quietly trim and merge this information into the appropriate general-topic articles. In the interim, I will carefully watch this page to prevent it from being abused, and I will continue to work towards making this article NPOV, properly sourced, and useful to those seeking an accurate record of the hysterics that so often follows catastrophe. Cheers. -- BD2412 talk 00:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC) Puppet taggin'Just wanted to take a moment to thank you for taking the time to tag all the puppets in the Rory Conroy debate. There are a few of 'em and it must be a bit of a daunting task to wade through the history for that long, but it's a useful part of the historical record at the very least. So, kudos are due. Lord Bob 18:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Objectionable usernames?User:Asswhipe newly created. Block? DS 19:44, 16 September 2005 (UTC) Centipede on the Roof ready for deletion?Just noticed that the bogus page Centipede on the Roof has crossed the five-day mark since its AfD started. Since you closed the Rory Conroy AfD, I thought you might be the guy to finish this one as well. Thanks. | Keithlaw 22:37, 19 September 2005 (UTC) User:LevKamenskyI noted that you removed the AfD tag left by User:LevKamensky on Markian Popov. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Markian Popov still there; I suspect that the AfD nomination was malformed. (I removed his yelling when I saw it.) His reasons are both inconsistant and incorrect, I saw nothing at all wrong with the article. When I looked at his talk page, I was surprised at his "rules"; they seem inconsistant with what I have come to expect on Wikipedia. (I call them "requests" on my talk page, I first said called them rules and realizied that was a bit much.) His first edits were in July (3 dates, I think) then nothing until a batch of edits today, so I would think he's still new. This AfD does appear that it may be the result of an agenda on the part of this user. -WCFrancis 22:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
You placed a 24-hour block on LevKamensky for then a one-week block. The way that MediaWiki software works (unless this has changed recently) is that when there is more than one block, when any block expires ALL the blocks are removed. So he is really only blocked for 24 hours. The only way around this is to unblock him (using Special:Ipblocklist) and then re-block again. -- Curps 22:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Mailing lists?Occasionally I see things about folks posting stuff on mailing lists. Mailing lists? Is that something I should be familiar with? -- BD2412 talk 22:22, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
ThanksThank you for probably the most calm and collected comment yet over the whole school thing. At the time I didn't see the other options open to me, now I do and am, I hope, a bit wiser for it. Dismas|(talk) 06:28, 22 September 2005 (UTC) Categorising by cityhi there. my criteria and i suppose those of others who have done so (there have been about ten other users to have done so i ve come across) would be the same as those for categorising by state, county, or region (that individuals catted have spent some time living there while growing up or considerable time there as an adult/made significant contribution to the city as an adult (being aware what is meant by the adjectives 'some', 'considerable', and 'significant' is entirely and rightly debatable). cats listing people by state are rather full and catting by city is a useful way to subcat and thereby reduce the clutter. (i ve doing this for about a month now and you are the first user to question it, by the way.) regards, -Mayumashu 14:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC) Every day is exactly the same.Postdlf, Hopefully this is the appropriate way to contact you, I only have a simple question, really. You updated the wiki entry on Mark Romanek to include a video for an upcoming Nine Inch Nails single. Is there a source you would be able to divulge for this information, on or off the record? Let me know. --Leviathant @ The NIN Hotline 209.74.55.194 12:54, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
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If you have any questions, just leave a message on my talk page. Thanks again. Extraordinary Machine 17:18, 29 September 2005 (UTC) I'm not too familiar with AfD procedure, so I apologize if I'm talking to the wrong person or something. It appears, though, that you closed the AfD for List of songs about body parts with the conclusion that there was no consensus. A rough count (though I might have missed something) gives 18 votes to delete and 9 to keep, which seems to me like a reasonably strong consensus. What do you reckon? EldKatt (Talk) 19:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Optimus Prime's back on VfD againThought you might like to know, an article you once voted to "keep" has once again been placed on VfD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Optimus Prime (person) Bryan 20:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC) Needed catagoryI see that you created the bridge category and was wondering if I could recruit you to create a movable bridge category, for inclusion into articles referenced in movable bridge. Just put a reference into the movable bridge article and I will take care of the articles referenced. Thanks in advance, - Leonard G. 02:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC) Thanks for the suggestion. I shall implement it post haste :-) --TimPope 16:32, 12 October 2005 (UTC) Bound imageHi do you have the source for Image:Bound Gershon and Tilly.jpg. Thanks Arniep 01:38, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
You delted this, with no explicit reason given in the delete log. It doesn't seem to me to quite fit any of the CSDs, although it would be very unlikly IMO to survive an AfD unless drastically rewritten. What was your reason for deletion? Would you consider restoring and listing on AfD? DES (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
people who have never been in my kitchenBrowsed to your page after your edit on the West Virginia article. Awesome obscure Cheers reference. Youngamerican 00:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC) Two requests; image of WTC7 and copyright law clarificationGreetings. User:Edcolins suggested that you might be able to answer some questions I have regarding U.S. copyright law. I came across a user page recently for a wikipedia editor who is a minor as defined by U.S. law. On the user page was an image of the editor. The editor used the {{PD-self}} tag for the licensing of the image. I am curious if legally speaking there is a problem here in general. Can a minor hold copyright, and can a minor release their works into the public domain? As part of my regular job, I regularly take photographs of people in a variety of contexts. I have been trained and am especially careful in photographing minors; my training teaches me that minors must have a signed release by their parent or guardian for me to use the photo in a number of cases (though some cases not). Thus, it is my impression that minors (at least in my state) can not transfer their rights. In investigating this, I found a reference at [2], where it states that minors can hold copyrights. However, individual state law may govern how those rights may be handled in business dealings. Wikipedia tends to use laws as they exist in the State of Florida. Perusing their legislative site [3], I could not readily find an applicable state statute. There's a potential for this question to be significantly larger; if Florida law restricts the transfer of copyrights of minors, then can Wikipedia accept the contributions of minors under the terms of GFDL? Also; I noted on your userpage that you're a resident of NYC. I grew up in the area, but have long since moved away and my closest contacts there now live >50 miles away on LI. There's been a request (Talk:7_World_Trade_Center) for a picture of the new WTC 7 building which is completing this quarter. If you would please, could you take a digital photograph of this building, upload it to Wikipedia and place it on the 7 World Trade Center article? Thank you, --Durin 13:05, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
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--Mm35173 15:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC) Image:Drew Barrymore Premiere Nov 2000.jpg has been listed for deletion
Thanks for supporting my cfm on the revolutionaries, you might want to check out the discussions we have had on the Drew Barrymore article and a ton of other fair use issues at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fair_use. Thanks Arniep 02:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Undoing mergesRedirects and categories do not work together. People need to be able to find the schools in predictable manner (e.g. in a category) *before* they can be expanded. Also, ordinary users, looking to expand an article don't know how to undo redirect. Finally, by notable alumni in the district article, you're destroying the attachment to the individual school. People don't necessarily know to look in the school district article. Wikipedia relies on categories for navigation, and that's where schools should appear. --rob 13:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
You're putting the cart before the horse—the existence of a category doesn't dictate what content must be maintained as an independent article, but categories instead simply exist to house the articles that do exist. The existence of a category such as Category:U.S. Army soldiers does not mean that an independent article must be maintained on every such individual, but only that the articles about individuals who happened to be U.S. Army soldiers should be placed in that category once the articles are written. However, your problem of navigation has an easily solution—create a list article of high schools (with links to the district article that mentions them, if contained therein) and include that list article directly in Category:High schools in Ohio.
The possibility of duplicate creations of the same school in different article should be solved by preemptive redirects of likely names. Why wouldn't someone furthermore be searching for a school without regard to articles about the community of which it is an inseparable part? From which the district itself would be found... No one is going to search for a high school without knowing anything more about it than its name and state. Regarding your other arguments, if there is enough independent information about a school to merit an independent article, then it should have one and be linked to from the school district article. But the school articles I merged were mainly presenting information that was true of the district rather than specifically true of the school. They were really rather poor and insubstantial stubs, and it is destructive rather than constructive to try and present them as stand-alone articles when it makes much more sense to integrate them elsewhere, at least for the time being. Please note that I did not merge articles such as Princeton High School, Sharonville, Ohio, which are more than a bare stub easily contained elsewhere (though to be honest, much of even that consisted of an unencyclopedic course list and a paragraph about the district itself). Perhaps "not everybody is familiar with school districts," but they should be if they are interested in a school or a community, as these are significant government entities, of which schools are merely a functioning and often interchangeable part. The community articles should link to the district articles, though there is no problem with them also listing what schools within the district sit within that community. The district article itself should then contain the school-specific statistics, possibly in a table format. And those schools about which a substantial article can actually be written should then receive their own independent articles. I think you'll agree with me that lots of poor articles on schools are created that have little or no valuable content. Deletion controversies have raged uselessly for at least a year over this issue, with one side parroting "schools are inherently notable" and the other side parroting "schools are not inherently notable." Both sides rarely take the time to actually address the content of what article they are specifically considering. The serious editorial decision should instead be made, in light of how we handle articles on Wikipedia generally, whether it might be better to incorporate it elsewhere, based on the subject matter hierarchy of which it is a subpart. Merging insubstantial articles about individual schools into articles about their districts is the best solution, because it preserves the content in a form and structure that is undeniably useful. No one is going to deny that school districts are notable, and for those who want each individual school to be documented, district articles satisfy that until such time as there is sufficient independent and encyclopedic information about that particular school. Postdlf 00:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC) Suggest short-term compromiseI don't like "winning" by being the most persistent. If you feel its important to do, I will not undo a merge of Cardinal High School, Ohio. There are no alumni in this case, and that was the major reason I was/am totally opposed to a merger for Oak Hills High School (Cincinnati, Ohio). I still feel merging means info on the school will not be found by ordinary readers, but I'll concede there's not a whole lot of info to be found. I also concede I'm not going to be able to personally expand Cardinal High School, Ohio. However, I do still think Oak Hills High School (Cincinnati, Ohio) is a valuable stub, even in it's current state, and think its essential that it remain its own article (without have its info mixed-up with a district). I think it's on it's way to being a Northern Secondary School (which is a good case of piece-by-piece modest expansion). I honestly don't understand why Oak Hills was picked when there are countless one-line stubs floating in wikipedia (including many unwikified, with no category). A central discussion for merge discussions is good, although I personally worry about expert wikipedians discussing an approach (merging/demerging) that's beyond the grasp of novice wikipedians (who can't possibly know how/when to demerge when appropriate). --rob 21:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC) About discussionsYou talked about starting up a discussion on mergers genrally. Given that there's already been lots of merger debates, perhaps, you should make a specific US school district proposal (or even one narrower than that) in common place. This keeps the number of people with high interest down slightly, and avoids the need for people to explain what a school district is in their respective area. I still don't like mergers, but I'm always in favor of useful discussions. For example, you could spell out the criteria in a clear way, as to when to merge, and when to de-merge. --rob 22:43, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
This is not general editorial policy on wikipedia. But, you're entitled to your personal opinion. Your analogy to a McDonald's franchise is a common one, by those who delete schools. You keep on trivializing the signficance of individual schools, and unfortunately, I have to give up trying to understand this approach. --rob 12:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
You selectively talk of a "neighborhood". Let's instead talk of official municipalities. Compare a school to a municipality of comparable size (e.g. 1000 students in high school = 1000 people in village, 100 in elem = 100 pop in township). Every municpality of a 100 people gets its own separate article. If we used your approach, we'ld be merging countless townships into counties. Little old Perth, Towner County, North Dakota is hard to expand, but it will also never be merged. One benefit of that, is when I link a bio to a person's place of birth, it actually links to the actual place of birth, not some article it was merged into. Your neighbord example (I assume you mean merge neighborhood into city) would work for *campuses* of *some* schools. Ocassionally, I've supported/made one article for two or three so-called schools, when there really was in effect just one school (with separate buildings). Also, I haven't seen you, or any merge supporter address the issue of overlapping/parellel school districts. Imagine if somebody looked for Northern Secondary School in Toronto District School Board, if all 427 schools were listed there, with their alumni comingled. Note, that while the Northern article is now complete, it started with less alum than Oak Hills High School has now, which you would have insisted be merged into a list of alumni from the district. Also Northern is inside the physical boundries of four different government run school districts (though obviously run by just one), and you would expect somebody to know which article to look for it. If you wish to keep doing mergers, I ask you at least pick better cases than Oak Hills, as there are countless unwikified/uncategorized/non-alum school articles, and I'm mystified why you picked Oak Hills. --rob 16:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Keira KnightleyYour opinion is needed on Talk:Keira Knightley (Two pictures section). Thanks in advance. --Viriditas | Talk 10:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC) Image:SMG Buffy season 2.jpg has been listed for deletion
RangerdudeThere is an active arbitration case concerning user:Rangerdude at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rangerdude/Evidence. I have presented evidence of Rangerdude's attacks about other editors, and I included a negative personal comment he made to you. The ArbCom is seeking greater involvement in their cases. -Willmcw 07:22, 7 November 2005 (UTC) Elgin School districtIt was an experiment to have a hierarchial list of schools such that feeder status was explicit. The rationale was to have a template format such that the basic iformation could easily be cut and paste to a new article when someone wanted to expand one of the schools to its own article. I tried to exaplin the idea on the talk page. I still like the concept if not the format. Any ideas on how to do it such that it actually works? David D. (Talk) 08:24, 8 November 2005 (UTC).
Postdlf, you were a law student not long ago - would you agree that the guy in the above styled AfD is not notable? I've been accused of bias in the matter, as he goes to the school I went to. BD2412 T 21:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC) Image:Pentagon City.jpgWhere did you take Image:Pentagon City.jpg from? Looks like it would be a nice spot for some photography of my own if it's publicly accessible... SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I noticed you added information about the school's uniforms and demographics. What was your source? And is this information specific to this school, or does the district as a whole use uniforms and have the same racial demographic? Thanks! Postdlf 03:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
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