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Hiya Phil, it looks like you started doing adminstrative works. Good. I saw some of your Afd closures. Do you use the close Afd script?? If yes then never ever forget to recheck your closures. I have used it before while doing non admin closures. I have faced some bugs. In some cases it doesn't remove the second relisted category (Although Legobot removes it if missed), doesn't add signatures and many others. I now close Afds manually although it takes sometime but it's safe. Btw do you use this script. JimCarter(from public cyber)12:48, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
@Jim Cartar: I know you are only trying to help ... but ... Yes, the Afd closing script has some bugs and yes, something does occasionally slip through, as is shown in the foregoing section. That is the correct way to point out that something is amiss, not to tell me to "never ever forget" to recheck my closures or do it manually as if I have no idea what I'm doing. Philg88 ♦talk16:02, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
No no don't take it that way I was telling it on humourous way. Don't take it otherwise. I was actually comming here to introduce another script which I have mentioned above. I obviously know that you do things perfectly. I just expressed how I feel using that script. I'm sorry if it hurted you, I don't have any intension to hurt. Sorry again. JimCarter(from public cyber)20:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
@Jim Cartar: I don't want you to be sorry, I want you to consider how the recipient of one of your messages might read it, despite what you may think it means, humourous or otherwise. Now forget about it and let's move on. As you know, I've made my thoughts clear on what I think about the script you mention above on the author's talk page. Let me precis my views here: a) I wouldn't like to see it used. 2) I wouldn't want to see it improved. I hope that's clear. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk05:14, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay. I just wanted to hear from you if I should use it or not. The moment you posted the message on the author's talk page, I started digging into the history of that script and soon I discovered that it is an outdated script. Sorry again. JimCarter(from public cyber)10:47, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello :-) Thank you so much for your message. I am just sitting here with my husband Paul and son Jake considering what to do about Paul (and Jake's) wikipedia entry and the advice that the wiki editor gurus have so kindly given. It's pretty difficult for an individual to cite things like 'we are not divorced'. One can't produce a 'not divorced' certificate and anyway, this stuff is private and you shouldn't have to argue with strangers about the details of your own lives, especially as the source for the misinformation wasn't cited in the first place and can't be because it was made up in the first place. Do you see what I mean? As I have said, the most annoying thing is the way that journalists repeat the mistakes all the time. A few years ago, when it said, for instance, that Paul was born in Surrey and played cricket for the county team we thought it was funny and if a newspaper repeated it we thought, haha, you obviously don't know us. I edited it out a few years ago and no one said anything or replaced it. Where do people get their ideas from? Crazy. Thanks for your contact. I hope to contribute to wikipedia in a positive way. Is there a list of pages that need basic editing that I could help sort out? I edit all kinds of writing for a living so I promise I'll do it properly.
Thanks again for your time Annie
Annie McGann 11:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)--Annie McGann 11:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnieMcGann (talk • contribs)
Hi Annie and thanks for the message. It looks like you have things under control at the bio article based on your earlier edit. That said, if there is anything you are still unhappy with or want added (referenced please) then you can always send me an email via the link further up the page.
As regards making contributions to Wikipedia, there is always a ton of stuff to do. There are many Wikiprojects covering different areas of interest—there is a list available here. At the individual projects you will generally find find a list of things that need doing ... the rest is up to you! Good luck. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk16:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
On/off script
Very large archive.
Hey! I just installed the script for "OneClickArchiver", it's about time I learn how to archive things myself instead of bugging others. And it's a script. :) It works just fine and I was able to paste in the counter at Einar and all. But, is it ok to uninstall the script when it is not needed and install it again when I do? I don't need it that often and I noticed a problem for me with it. I don't use a mouse, I use a pen tablet, and when I scroll using the scroll bar, it is dangerously close to the "Archive" clickables and I don't want to archive anything by mistake! Archiving is not reversible, right? Or? Cheers, w.carter-Talk21:50, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey Kompis. Let me answer the question backwards for no reason other than I want to. Archiving can be undone (as can anything on Wikipedia) but in some cases you would have to do it manually rather than revert when there is history in between the archiving and restoration. In other words it's best avoided as things can go terribly wrong, particularly if your middle name is Calamity :). To enable/disable OneClick Archiver just comment/uncomment at the start of the appropriate line using //. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk05:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback regarding the Laporte Wiki you edited. I noticed you declined the posting, but I wanted to mention first that Laporte is one of the largest CPA and consulting firms in the lower Gulf States. I am just starting out as an editor, specializing in Finance and Accounting firms in the South and Southwest United States. I have an MBA in finance and my interest is in maintaining the integrity of information written about such financial institutions. Most of the sources I provided on the Laporte Wiki are major/ notable national accounting publications of which Laporte has been mentioned in several times a year. If you could provide me some more feedback on what more I need to include that would be great. I feel I have done a good job in my research on this company, but would feel more confortable having it open to the public for editing as well. IF possible could we make this page go live so that the public can add in additional information? Thanks so much for all your help. Let me know if you have any questions! Here is the link to the site.
To save you from a long and rambling dissertation on notability, I'm going to quote another editor's comment left on the draft. "Just being around for a long time and being well liked does not establish notability. If it did my Mom would have an article."
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not the Yellow Pages. Unless you can show that the firm meets the requirements shown above, then I'm afraid there is no possibility of its inclusion. Best, Philg88 ♦talk05:29, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Philg88,
Thanks for the quick response. I have read the Wikipedia page on Notability (Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and would like to point out that primary criteria for a company/ organization to be deemed notable is based on the following definition. "A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. A single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization." LaPorte does meet this definition because it has been the subject of significant coverage year after year in many of the popular and notable accounting magazines such as Accounting Today See Accounting_Today and Source Media, SourceMedia. All sources on the LaPorte page are reliable are accurate and completely independent of the subject matter at hand. In addition many other large publishers like the Houston Business Journal, See wiki American City Business Journals, have also covered LaPorte extensively over the years. Let me know if I am missing something, but I do feel that given the definitions on Notability, that LaPorte does deserve the right to be published. Thanks for all your help.
65.38.99.229 (talk) 19:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi there 65.38.99.229. Putting notability discussions aside for a moment, I have to ask you whether you are being paid for your "advocacy" of this article? You do not seem to have made a single edit to what is, putting it bluntly, hardly the Wikipedia article most likely to set the world on fire. Do you also edit as Wiki-edit-king, the creator of the article in question? How come you have "done a good job in my research on this company" if you haven't contributed to its article? While paid editing is allowed on Wikipedia, it is strongly discouraged and should be declared. Philg88 ♦talk05:47, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello 65.38.99.229, You have claimed notability for the company as having received "significant coverage" but you have overlooked the section Depth of Coverage which describes what does not qualify as significant. Please provide actual references (not just names of publications and claims that coverage exists) that show significant coverage and not just inclusion in "Best of" and "Top Places" lists. Thanks for your continued interest in improving Wikipedia. — Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib) (User:Wtwilson3) —13:07, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome, Wakeman60438. Wikipedia is a pretty friendly place and we do try to help new people find their way around. At first it can seem a pretty daunting as there all sorts of things to remember. That will pass, I assure you, and you'll soon be diving in to edit pages without a second thought. In the meantime, if you have any questions, however trivial they may seem, feel free to ask them here or at the Teahouse. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk16:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Copy of deleted article
Hello,
Would it be possible to obtain a copy of the article "Canadian Association of Snowboard Instructors," which was recently deleted (in the last 24 hours)? I wish to continue slowly working on the article in order to make it acceptable for Wikipedia. There wasn't mush content, but I still wish to have a copy of those pieces.
Hi Jelly Bean MD. Sure, I can email you a copy of the last version of the article prior to its deletion. First off though, you will need to set up an email address for your Wikipedia account. If you click on the "Preferences" option in the top menubar then scroll down to the bottom of the displayed page, you will see an option to set up email. Let me know when you've done that and I'll send you the text. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk05:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Could you provide me your feedback/suggestion on the overhaul of Vidya Bharati
I see that you are an expert GOCE, I started on Vidya Bharati article as part of GOCE but discovered that it is full of POV and copyvio and did not have even a single reference(there were few totally irrelevant ones). I ended up overhauling the article entirely. Before. After. Could you provide me your feedback/suggestions? Thank you. --AmritasyaPutraT06:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi AmritasyaPutra And thanks for the message. Looks like you've done a fine job cleaning up the article. Nothing jumps out as a problem, other than that you might want to fix up the image caption—having read it I'm none the wiser as to what the picture actually represents. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk07:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Indeed, that picture is not suitable, it is not related to this organization -- only name had a resemblance. I have removed it. Thank you Philg88! --AmritasyaPutraT07:19, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Sarawak/Malaysia
Hi
I saw your reverts there. I don't know how much you know about this issue, but it's a "perennial" which flares up on Malaysia articles with IPs, SPAs etc promoting the POV that Malaysia was formed as Malaya + Sarawak + Sabah + Singapore, and not 14 states, so Sabah/Sarawak should be seen as more "important" or equal status to the mainland. They feel they got the shitty end of the stick, and perhaps they even did... But they feel very strongly, and they have a little rush at this every so often. One user Omdo, got himself indeffed over it. It's messy - you can see some explanation at Talk:Malaysia/Archive_4#Malaysia_or_Federation_of_Malaysia. It's been going on a long time.
Sorry if you already knew this (and sorry I missed your RFA, too, by the way - you would have had my vote - glad you didn't need it...) Begoontalk15:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up Begoon. Yes, I've seen this one time before and we're obviously in for another round. I blame the British :) Prof. Khoo is probably the newly registered IP. Will they win? I doubt it. Best, Philg88 ♦talk15:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Oddly enough, I blame the British, too, for leaving a mess - and I am British, though my defence is firstly that I wasn't alive at the time (just), and secondly I 'escaped' to Australia 15 years ago. Professor Khoo may bring some 'friends', who knows? Deja vu... Take care. Begoontalk16:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Begoon. The comment about the British was tongue in cheek since I, like you, am one of them -:) It was our fault but that changes nothing apropos SPAs/socks. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk16:26, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I thought you might be . So I stuffed my tongue in the other cheek. Back in the day, I actually tried a bit to get them to work with us, to give some better representation to their point of view in the articles, but I think that was less interesting, or less "fun" than disruptive activism for the cause. Shame, we could have had better articles, and they could have been more widely "heard". You can lead a horse... Begoontalk16:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Indeed my friend, 'tis sad when people are blinkered. Fortunately, I was born about 700 miles from Sarawak so I'm pretty familiar with the history and geopolitics of the region. Best, Philg88 ♦talk07:28, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Curious why you nominated it for AfD. It is a long page with a lot of content. Have you nominated other HKG housing estates for AfD as well? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Jtbobwaysf and thanks for the question. The "content" you mention is travel guide/gazeteer stuff that doesn't belong in Wikipedia in the first place on the basis that the encyclopedia is not a travel guide. Some private estates have been boldly merged - this one is the only one I have Afd'ed purely because another editor has recently added content and Afd is the best way to handle such a situation. I have made a similar comment to this one at the AfD itself. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk09:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Script again
Hiya Phil, I have created a script. All the concerns and issues that has troubled us has been fixed in this script. Almost all know bugs were fixed. Please take a test and let me know if you come across any problem. Thanks, JimCarter(from public cyber)16:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey Jim Cartar, thanks for the message. I'm not sure how you managed to test this for delete outcomes when you don't have the requisite permissions. I'm certainly not going to use it until I have expert third party confirmation that it causes no problems. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk06:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that they made you an admin at Welsh Wikipedia when you don't speak Welsh. That aside, if you can get someone from cy Wiki to confirm that your script is problem free then I'll certainly consider using it. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk09:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I have created an article, although it is still in userspace here. Phil, the script is under test. And I asked you to test my script atleast for once so that I can confirm that it is working properly on English Wikipedia. I have tested it on Test Wikipedia too. Actually until now I'm the only one to use the script, here and on Welsh Wikipedia. Now, I will not force you to test it, if you wish you can test it. And you can trust that I haven't added any mal-codes. I just updated deprecated codes, fixed loop holes and nothing else. All features are same as it was. Nothing extra added. If you wish you can try it. JimCarter(from public cyber)14:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
User talk:Notwillywanka
Fortunately I noticed your ping (although it's not working, since my full username is BullRangifer). I can see what you mean. We'd want the block notification in the history. Can the histories be merged now and the move made? That would include the history of the notification, wouldn't it? -- Brangifer (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
@BullRangifer: Sorry about the malformed ping earlier. The Notwillywanka thing isn't really a big deal. Now that Safiel has moved the previous "delete" page to a talk archive, we're in the same position as we would have been had I merged the history then archived the old talk posts. There is no need for further housekeeping in that area while I've left a message on Notwillywanka's talk page asking him to request a change of name to User:NotWillyWonka. Once that has been done I will unblock him. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk04:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi! Re prev conversation about finding awesome stuff, I was wrapping up the editing session by fixing the section of one if the lesser Grills Draft:Grill (family)#Claes Grill (II), not much written about him in Swedish sources anywhere. But through a site which compiles the history of Gothenburg, I ended up with the first real connection between the Grill's (and thereby the SOIC) and the East India Company! Through intermediary companies the SOIC was in fact selling iron to the East India Company. See this. Connected to all of this is the passport of Grill & sons that I showed you when all this started. In the description at the Gothenburg Library data base it is stated as "unknown". It is listed under "Claes Grill" but it is mixed up since they seem oblivious about the fact that there were two guys with the same name. They haven't made the connection!! Anyway, this is a primary source and good for nothing but a nifty illustration, but just knowing you have found out something new is...wow. There is also a second firm called "Harrison & Grill" (London area is presumed) involved, but I cannot find any reliable sources about it. Do you have access to some "hidden", British, data base where it can be checked out?
At the same time I also stumbled upon The History of Tea Smuggling from Gothenburg to England = four(!) more books. Turns out that of all the tea Sweden imported from Canton, sometimes only about 10% stayed in Sweden. About half of the rest was exported legally to the rest of Europe and the last part (45%) was smuggled from Gothenburg to Scotland and on to England. Phew! "Insignificant Grill", mon derrière... Cheers, w.carter-Talk21:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi W.carter. Interesting stuff! I searched the British Newspaper Archive for Harrison & Grill (and various permutations thereof) but found nothing. Poking around Google books I found this in a book on China Trade Porcelain which shows the early connection between the SOIC and the EIC as well as having some nice details on the Grills.
According to this source, "great quantities" of tea were smuggled into England by the Danes and Swedes between 1734 and 1744. Now, Colin Campbell's first SOIC expedition to Canton returned to Gotenburg towards the end of 1733 and the next year there was a massive increase in the amount of tea smuggled into England. Coincidence? I think not. Were the EIC complicit? Highly likely. All we need to do now is prove it :). Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk05:14, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sutton twin towns mural
While I can't argue about the votecount, it would be helpful if a closing admin indicated whether the arguments have any merit policy-wise, when an AfD has been debated like this one. Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators makes it clear that "Consensus is not determined by counting heads, but by looking at strength of argument, and underlying policy (if any). Arguments that contradict policy, are based on opinion rather than fact, or are logically fallacious, are frequently discounted. " It would have been nice to get some indication of why you closed this as keep in the closing statement. Fram (talk) 06:53, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if you feel I should have provided a detailed rationale for the close, Fram rather than the "Strong consensus to keep" I provided. Under Wikipedia guidelines there is no onus on the closer to provide such a rationale, the key issue being that the closer weighs the consensus and decides on the outcome. In this case, I don't think there was any question as to the will of the community being in favour of keeping the article. You are of course welcome to take the outcome to deletion review should you disagree. Cheers Philg88 ♦talk07:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
So you totally ignored what I said (at the AfD together with Bencherlite, and here). The "will of the community" is not relevant if it is based on bogus arguments like "persistence" for sources spanning three days, "there probably are other sources", or "but it's the summer of monuments". It is your task to ignore the pure votecount and look at the strength of arguments. Fram (talk) 07:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
@Fram:I haven't ignored what you said and I think I've made my position quite clear above—in my view there was a strong consensus to keep the article. Should you believe that I misjudged that, deletion review is the way to go. Philg88 ♦talk04:50, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you for the reply regarding creating a profile on Wikipedia. I do not want to use Wikipedia as a webhost but instead would like to create a decent user page. What I meant was is there a link on Wikipedia where I can add templates to my user name page? Thanks again. Conspirasee1 (talk) 06:37, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Conspirasee1 and thanks for the message. Apologies for the misunderstanding but whenever I see the word "Profile", I think Facebook, Linked-in etc, which is not permitted here. Making a nice-looking user page requires a reasonable knowledge of Wikimarkup language and cascading style sheets but you can create the basics using Userboxes and other templates. The easiest way to get to know your way around this is to look at (don't change!) the source code to other user pages so you get to understand how it all fits together. Because everything on Wikipedia is released by its author for use on Wikipedia, you are quite free to shamelessly plagiarize other user's work to put something together. Bear in mind the overall guidelines on what you may and may not have on your user page are explained here Good luck! Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk06:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Phil. You soft-blocked Fuelexperts as obviously promotional. Rather than reading your message and getting a new (non-promotional) username, the same editor is now block-evading as ((User:VRC Fuelexperts Ltd)) (intentionally unlinked) - posting on my own talk page about the deletion of the original user page. Their suggestions may have merit with regard to the article in question (though their only actual contribution to date has been to add spam links) but we can't even start down that path while everything else is going on. Can you maybe hard-block the new account and direct them back to their original account and options for amending usernames? I'll hat the discussion on my talk page and move relevant commentary to the article talk page under whatever new username they pick. Appreciated your help, thanks! St★lwart11107:42, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Stalwart111 and thanks for the heads up. I have blocked for block evasion but I think it's more a question of the user not understanding the rules rather than a deliberate attempt to flout them. That said, it ain't allowed. Please prod the user in the direction of requesting a user name change against the original softblock. I will do the same on their talk page after I place the block notice. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk07:54, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Agree 100% - I think most of it is a lack of understanding. Thanks for taking the first step - hopefully they will come back to their original account and pick a different name. St★lwart11122:48, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Something is awry
Hello P. Thanks for moving the Lon Chaney article. I have wanted that for many years. One thing though - the talk page that was at the Lon Chaney (Sr) article did not get moved properly. As you can see Talk:Lon Chaney the only thing there is the DAB Project Banner. If you can fix this that would be great. One of the threads on the old talk page is a mention that the Sr shouldn't be used for the article as he was never known by that name :-) Thanks for your time. MarnetteD|Talk05:07, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hmm. Thanks for the message but I have no intention of getting involved in an edit war over the article style. I'm at a loss to see how we move forward on this since all dissenting views seem to be ignored or dismissed on sight. Philg88 ♦talk09:11, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Lugnuts: Thanks for the update. A minor point but per your AN3 posting I didn't say "4 different editor's posts being removed", I said that the "Improve the encyclopedia, don't spend your time on trivialities which only increase the bureaucratic load which content editors have to put up with" comment was "a reflection on the views of the three editors (four if you include Lugnuts whose post has been removed) who have questioned your actions". Apologies for the pedantry. Philg88 ♦talk15:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
