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Its not that the cover has to be very different, it has to serve some purpose and help the reader understand something. The only way I can see this being justified is if there is some drama or lawsuit over the cover, or some kind of Catholic group bans it etc. Look at Gaga's The Fame Monster for an example. We almost never include an alt photo unless its absolutely necessary.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me21:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
So glad to see you're back! We missed you a lot! It was my pleasure to look after Mimi articles! How was the trip? Novice7 (talk) 03:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Nathan. Finally you are back. Since this month started, i kept thinking a lot about you. Seriously. I am so happy that you are back that i cannot put it into words (you know my English. Lol). From your message above, it feels equally good to know that you are in good health and i am sure that you are ready to put those Mimi articles on the right track. Just to let you know, Bieber and Mimi are collaborating. Well, coming to me, i am fine but i get stressed now on Wikipedia. IPs are constantly making non-constructive edits on B's latest material. On the other hand, my exams are starting this Wednesday and this further increases my stress. Lol. Nathan, once again, I am very very very very very happy that you back. When you are here, i feel secure because i know you will always guide me. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)04:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Cool! Talking about Mimi, E=MC2 review's not done yet. Maybe you can take a look? And my recent projects: well, nothing Whitney. I completed Toni Braxton discography and it's up for an FL status. Working on Hilary Duff's Most Wanted atm. After that, I wanna complete a Grammy list, and Lady A's "Just a Kiss" :) I'm busy in real life too :) Novice7 (talk) 04:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I heard about the JB/MC stuff. It's a smart move, I know. But, I'm not a big fan of Bieber. I like Buble though. Novice7 (talk) 11:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
I agree with you lol :D Regarding the album, me too, I hope it's an improvement. I can't wait to see stills from Whitney's new movie Sparkle too! Novice7 (talk) 04:03, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Favour pleaseee
I have replied to the MC/JB song on my talk pageeee. Also, could you archive reference 35 (Dev dominates dance...) on the We Found Love article please, because when next weeks chart beat is published, it overwrites the previous week and that info becomes lost and thus cannot be used in the article, and this reference has important info in it for the US Dance and Pop charts debuts. Thanks :) Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon!22:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi Nathan. There is something that is bothering me. Actually, i need someone to explain me this. And i think you are the one who can explain this the best to me (as always). How can this be useful? And what does it refer to in "simpler English"? Take your time. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)18:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Nathan as i told you, i am doing my best to keep away from Wikipedia,. I only log in to revert nonconstructive edits. I was wondering if you could help me with something but the information is very technical. And because of this, i could not find someone who could help me. One month ago, i came across some recording and mixing information for Beyonce's song "Deja Vu", The information is here. Can you please organize and re-write it? The one for "Irreplaceable" has been done. The information was far less complicated and technical. The one for "Deja Vu" is not my cup of tea. Nathan, if you refuse, i won't mind because the information is not easy to understand. If you accept, take your time to do it because i will not be around for five weeks. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)06:11, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
You will always have my support. I think he is like that because he is 46. He also thinks that the "1+1" article is too long. But i cannot do anything if it is long. All that information was available. Actually he works on songs for the 1970s and their articles are very short. Maybe that's why he thinks that way. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)04:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
You are so right on that last note. He is not the only one. There are many like that. I hate it when i am told that the lead i wrote is too long with the excuse that it should contain less than 3200 characters. I think there is another policy on Wikipedia which tells you that you may ignore rules sometimes but i have forgotten the wiki-link. Lol. Anyway, i see you have greatly reduced your number of edits per day? Any reason? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)05:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I know that you are really good at finding sources. You helped me a lot when it comes to the Live performance section for "Disturbia". However, I kind of need the same thing again. I'm working on "Shut Up and Drive", but I really can't find sources for the music video. Can you search for me? Thanks — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?16:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Mmm, the first one is about a review for the song, second it can go, the third I can't open it, don't know why and fourth it doesn't help at all. Btw thanks for your effort Jivesh :) you are too Nath. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?09:24, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I'm Ben. I'm new to Wikipedia. I, too, am a huge Rihanna fan. I just wanted to introduce myself to someone. I won't e doing much on here except for talking on talk pages or correcting grammatical errors. I am 13 years old but plan on being respected as much as anyone else. I realize that talk pages aren't forums, but user talk pages can be. Please talk to me! I usually take a day to reply due to homework. Are you excited for Talk That Talk? Ben W. Lewis (talk) 21:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually I would take the right to respond you. Nathan is not a fan of Rihanna. Me and Calvin are the biggest fans on Wikipedia and both work on her articles. :) Greetings — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?23:47, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Oh. Well, hi. How are you doing? I'm not doing so good. I have a report due on Monday. Greetings to you, too. Oh, and watch out. There's not enough room for THREE RiRi fans on here. Just kidding! :)Ben W. Lewis (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Hehe, nice to see you stans getting acquainted :) Well, I don't like Rihanna per se, but I do like a lot of her songs. I'm the main Mariah Carey guy here ;)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me04:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm fine too. I have a lot to study for my exams, but I'm kind of lazy ahah =)! To be honest, there is no place for both of us when comes editing her articles, however If you are serious in it we will accept you in the club :) ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing?09:20, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Mission 1: Talk That Talk. I'll work on it. Nathan u like Maraih? She needs to put another album out soon. I'm not a big Christmas music fan myself. Gosh I'm glad I don't have exams. *next year*
I have a question. How do i change Chart Positions without messing up the whole page? I tried to change ((We Found Love)) from 9 to 7 when it rose and wierd stuff happened so I undid it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben W. Lewis (talk • contribs) 12:51, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey Nathan. Recent edits to the page by "Efe" are dubious to me. I only look at one and as a non-regular to Carey pages these days, I couldn't tell what the edit had done? Jayy008 (talk) 13:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for that! I must find a link for that episode online. It's so hard to find reality series posted :( Well, unless it's Jersey Shore or some singing competition. Jayy008 (talk) 17:29, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Deluxe Edition cover art
on the page ((Talk That Talk)) there is a conflict about if the deluxe edition cover should be included or not. I believe it should be. you made a comment about how they wanted to add it just for eye candy and that it needs to deserve a purpose. I would like to respectfully argue that. The 2nd cover shows more information. in a real encyclopedia, about 3 pages cover one topic. we don't even have 1 yet. perhaps to favor both sides, we should stick it in a different place. look at ((Tha Carter IV)) . The deluxe cover is in the singles box. i dont think it should be there, but maybe the title and artwork section. it would be perfect there. BenWasHere (TalkThatTalk) (talk) 01:06, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
It provides more information all in all. I see your point, Nathan. I respect that. But I think Calvin and tomica are with me on this. Plus it will just go on, be taken off, go on, be taken off. We should make a disicion and block it. Thanks for th reply:)BenWasHere (TalkThatTalk) (talk) 10:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey bud. I know you've worked hard on the article, and you've done some in-depth research. But hear me out: an album cannot satisfy the "comprehensive" FA criteria, IMO, if it lacks information on the album's writing, recording, and production. For these types of articles, the writing and recording is the second most important aspect of the album, behind the discussion of the album's song, music, instrumentation, and themes. I see many articles on Wikipedia with paragraphs of info about an album's promotion and live performances, and its commercial performance. But all that is secondary, and one can have a very comprehensive article without these sections. But you can't say an article is the best on Wikipedia if it lacks mention of how the album was made.
But with that said, I did a bit of research, and found this article, which may be of importance (focus on her answer to the question, "What was the writing process with this album?"). Also, click here and scroll down to the section "Full CD Listening Party for The Emancipation of Mim on AOL". The section states that the commentary on the songs (the commentaries were placed on the FAC page) are actually audio recordings from Carey that were played at a listening party. All of these appear on the AOL website. The texts were written out on mariahdailyjournal. I'm unable to find these recordings.
I'm tempted to think that you can still use these as sources, according to template:cite audio. Apparently the title of the video is the only required field. And the template would look something like this:
If not, then the article I cited from allhiphop has ample information to allow for an extra paragraph or two in the TEOM article. Orane(talk)03:15, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey Nathan, why are there lists of references of Carey's main page that are titled two different things? I thought you'd know :-) Jayy008 (talk) 19:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey Orane, thanks for the sources and concern! I've been having some issues in real life and honestly so confused and unsure about this coming year :( Yes, I saw about the FAC. I will try and craft a better recording section and get to some other points the other editors brought up. If its okay with you, please take a look at the article after I'm done (I'll ping you) and maybe you can see if anything else sticks out before I nominate again. BTW, the news of Adele's surgery/illness are very sad ad worrisome :( I really hope its not cancer as all the tabloids are indicating, and that she fully recovers. I think she's like MC, and tours really kill her voice as well. Thanks for everything! :D--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me22:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey there. I'm glad you're back, and so very sorry to hear of your real-life issues. It may sound cliched, but please stay strong and always stay true to yourself. I've been down and out before, and there are two sayings that I always carry around with me: 1) Life is 10% what happens, and 90% how you react to it— so keep your head up and try as best as you can to stay positive. 2)You're responsible for your own happiness— so let go of all the people in your life that impede your happiness and live your life the way you want to. I wish you luck, and if you ever need someone to talk to, you know there's an "e-mail this user" function on my userpage. And if you need help with the TEOM article, never hesitate to contact me. Talk to you soon. Orane(talk)22:23, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your message Orane! It was very touching :) I really appreciate all your care and support, you're really awesome! That's exactly what I've been recently doing, I've had to cut a lot of people out of myself, simply because they impede my goals and ambitions for the future. I'll keep those two rules in mind, they are definitely helpful. Thanks for the help with Mimi, I'll really try to cover all those little things I missed this time! Again, thanks for being there buddy, talk to you soon :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me22:34, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Aww, thanks :). And you're welcome. Yes, cut out as many people as you want to, if your happiness and your future depends on it. If they love you, they will come back. Peace out.
PS:Yes, I'm worried for Adele too. She's said it's not cancer or anything like that. But hopefully there's no permanent damage. Orane(talk)07:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
My friend, as you know, Beyonce's new album 4 is being handled in a catastrophic way (i do not know if this is a correct word). Please voice your opinion here so that we can decide which format will suit "Party" that best. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫)15:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm back and tell me where is that sandbox of yours? I somehow have missed your mail id.. couldn't send that doc. So so very sorry. :( — Legolas(talk2me)10:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Another discussion, this time regarding "Love on Top"
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