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Hi, Som Singh Bhura! The mentor question feature is to ask a question about editing Wikipedia – I can't help with much outside of that. Do you have any questions about editing Wikipedia? Perfect4th (talk) 07:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Question from Benjamintavi (21:40, 13 February 2024)
I would suggest you try other, easier edits first to get more familiar with Wikipedia and its policies and guidelines before embarking on an article. You can find edits to make via your homepage, at the Task Center, or by exploring various Wikiprojects – let me know if you have any more questions on this. If you still want to try for an article, make sure to read and follow Your First Article – it should give you what you need to get started.
Hello, Just trying to ensure this important peer reviewed cultural journal meets Wikipedia notability guidelines. Thanks, SSB --S.S. Buggea (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, S.S. Buggea! Wikipedia notability guidelines can be found here. Basically, you need to have significant coverage in several sources separate than the subject that are generally reliable. I see the first source cited in the article is connected with Italian Americana – it needs some reliable references that are independent of the subject to conform to the notability guideline. If you have questions about specific references, the reliable sources noticeboard is a helpful resource. Hope this helps, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 19:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Question from Alectheflexer (21:01, 21 February 2024)
Though there's more to know that goes into creating an article and a lot more yet to adhere to for an article about you, this is a lot to start with, so feel free to let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing ~ Perfect4th (talk) 04:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Technical-wise, you can't create an article before your account has reached a certain age and number of edits (four days and ten edits, I believe), but you can create a draft, and I would recommend this – you can get feedback from experienced editors about an article that way before publishing it.
RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:
Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:
Hello...Why does Ms. Bain's Wikipedia page include a tax issue from 12 years ago...It should be edited our. PERIOD. --Mickey1009 (talk) 03:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Mickey1009, and welcome. Wikipedia articles are intended to be based on reliable sources, so their content is determined by what other sources say about their subjects. It looks like you're looking for help with an article about yourself – check out WP:BIOSELF and WP:AUTOPROB for guidance for such issues. Let me know if you've any further questions, and happy editing ~ Perfect4th (talk) 06:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello
In your description you made a mistake Dumitru Marian who played for Romania in the 2000 European Nations Cup First Division in rugby was born on 19/10/1977 played for Farul Constanta and Steaua Bucharest and was not a handball player. Would like to correct this information.
Thank you have a nice day --Mdumitru11 (talk) 23:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello I started an RfC and it seems to being well so far but increasingly two editors are being passive aggressive, presuming bad faith and insulting edits all targeted at me. What should I do? --Erzan (talk) 03:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.
Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.
It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!
2023 Awards
Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!
Recruitment: A couple of the coordinators have been inviting editors to become reviewers, via mass-messages to their talk pages. If you know someone who you'd think would make a good reviewer, then a personal invitation to them would be great. Additionally, if there are Wikiprojects that you are active on, then you can add a post there asking participants to join NPP. Please be careful not to double invite folks that have already been invited.
Reviewing tip: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages within their most familiar subjects can use the regularly updated NPP Browser tool.
Hi, SphiweN, and welcome to Wikipedia! Articles are typically pretty tricky for newcomers to create on Wikipedia, as there are a lot of policies and guidelines that apply to articles that take time to understand. New articles have to be about subjects that are notable by Wikipedia's definition, have to be verifiable (backed up by reliable sources), and must be written in a neutral tone, as well as conforming to stylistic policies and similar. It's usually easier to start with smaller edits (you can check out your homepage, the Task Center, or the Community Portal for ideas). If you'd still like to create an article, though, you should check out Your First Article. Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello!
I made a draft for Chinese singer Yiren's article. It's the first article about a person I've ever edited from scratch. Is she notable enough for a Wikipedia article? I would appreciate it if you could take a look at it. Thank you in advance. --HoneyKpop (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, HoneyKpop! I skimmed through and did a few news searches. The notability guideline for individual members of a band says that they must be independently reliable separate from the group for their own article, and while I'm seeing some coverage, I haven't found anything yet that fulfills the first criteria of the singer notability guidelines here. I don't have time to really scrutinize it, but if you want to continue work with the article, my best suggestion would be trying to find sources that fit that criteria in the singer notability guidelines. And keep in mind that just because someone is not notable now doesn't mean they won't ever be! It could just be too soon for an article right now. Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to the April 2024 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members. We wish you all happy copy-editing.
Election results: In our December 2023 coordinator election, Zippybonzo stepped down as coordinator; we thank them for their service. Incumbents Dhtwiki and Miniapolis were reelected coordinators, and Wracking was newly elected coordinator, to serve through 30 June. Nominations for our mid-year Election of Coordinators will open on 1 June (UTC).
Drive: 46 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive, 32 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 289 articles totaling 626,729 words. Barnstars awarded are here.
Blitz: 23 editors signed up for our February Copy Editing Blitz. 18 claimed at least one copy-edit and between them, they copy-edited 100,293 words in 32 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.
Drive: 53 editors signed up for our March Backlog Elimination Drive, 34 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 300 articles totaling 587,828 words. Barnstars awarded are here.
Blitz: Sign up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, which runs from 14 to 20 April. Barnstars will be awarded here.
Progress report: As of 23:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 109 requests since 1 January 2024, and the backlog stands at 2,480 articles.
Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking.
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Community Configuration
Growth features are currently configurable at Special:EditGrowthConfig. This quarter we are working on making Community Configuration accessible for other MediaWiki developers while also moving Growth feature configuration to the new CommunityConfiguration extension.
An early version of Community Configuration can be tested at Spanish Beta Wikipedia. We plan to release the new Community Configuration extension to pilot wikis (Arabic and Spanish Wikipedia) in early May, 2024. The first non-Growth team feature to utilize Community Configuration will be Automoderator.
In parallel with the development, the Growth team will propose Community Configuration usage guidelines, Community Configuration design guidelines, and provide technical documentation.
The Growth team conducted an experiment to assess the impact of the “Add an Image” structured task on the Newcomer Homepage's "Suggested Edits" module. This analysis finds that the Add an Image structured task leads to an increase in newcomer participation on the mobile web platform, particularly by making constructive (non-reverted) article edits:
The likelihood that mobile web newcomers make their first article edit (+17.0% over baseline)
The likelihood that they are retained as newcomers (+24.3% over baseline)
The number of edits they make during their first two weeks on the wiki (+21.8% over baseline)
A lower probability of the newcomers' edits will be reverted (-3.3% over baseline).
This feature was developed for Mentors as part of the Growth team's Positive Reinforcement project. When A/B testing on Spanish Wikipedia, we found no significant impact on retention, but we found a significant positive impact on newcomer productivity. However, we concluded that the results weren’t positive enough to justify the time investment from Mentors. We plan to discuss this feature with our pilot wikis, and consider further improvements before scaling this feature further. Meanwhile, communities willing to test the feature can ask to have it deployed. (T361763)
As in previous years, donors were directed to a Thank you page after donation (example). However, this year we tested a new “Try editing Wikipedia,” call to action on the Thank You page. This call to action linked to a unique account creation page. From this account creation page we were able to track Registrations and Activation (editing for the first time). During the English banner campaign, the Donor Thank you page led to 4,398 new accounts, and 441 of those accounts went on to constructively edit within 24 hours. (T352900)
Future work
Annual Plan
The Growth team and the Editing team will work on the WE1.2 Key Result in the coming fiscal year. We will start initial discussions with communities soon to help finalize our plans. (T361657)
We plan to A/B test adding a new Community Configurable module to the Newcomer Homepage that will allow communities to highlight specific events, projects, campaigns, and initiatives. We are early in the planning phase of this project that will take place first at our pilot wikis and wikis volunteering. We welcome community feedback on initial designs and plans, in any language at our project talk page.
Hello, Waqar Azeem0, and welcome! You can't create an article directly, but you can create a draft. However, I wouldn't recommend it. Creating an article on Wikipedia is pretty complicated, because the subject has to be notable by Wikipedia's standards, verifiable, and based basically entirely on what reliable sources say. This guide explains more about the requirements for a new article. Newcomers usually have a better experience, though, editing existing articles (see the Task Center for ideas) to get familiar with Wikipedia and its guidelines. Let me know if you have any other questions, and happy editing ~ Perfect4th (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins
Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:
In a previous discussion you showed some interest regarding Growth Add a link feature. Hence, I'm sharing with you the recent post we wrote about it, as it will soon be available at English Wikipedia.
In short, this feature allows newcomers to discover that they can edit Wikipedia, by adding missing suggested links to existing articles in a guided way. It is also an excellent way to get more easy tasks newcomers can work on, as only a handful of easy tasks are available for them at the moment.
Thanks! I'm a little too busy to comment at the moment, but I'm following the discussion and I'll add some thoughts later if I get an opportunity. Thanks for the work you're doing with this! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi there, just wanted to let you know I don’t intend to edit much. I just created an account so that I could sync my data on the app. :) --DoctorAnomaly (talk) 01:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Breakfree Consulting, and welcome. You should know first of all that your username does not comply with the WP:Username policy and you will have to change it to continue editing on Wikipedia. You can either create a new account or change your username. Company usernames are not allowed both because they are promotional and because they imply shared use - each account is only to be used by one person.
For creating a company page: in summary, you shouldn't. Wikipedia is not the place for self-promotion, and it is incredibly difficult to write about yourself neutrally as our policies state. If you do try create an article, see Your First Article and put the draft through the Articles for Creation process, as well as disclosing your paid contribution status as described here – this is required with the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use.
I'm sorry that this is not a very encouraging answer, but the reason for so many rules is because Wikipedia is simply not the place for promoting companies and is designed for a completely different purpose, so trying to get such an article to fit is like trying to build a snowman in a Southern summer – a fine objective, at the right time and place. For a company, Wikipedia is neither. Feel free to check out alternative outlets if you like! Let me know if you have any other questions, and happy editing ~ Perfect4th (talk) 20:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi, WcwTornado77, and welcome! If you're talking about an article, you should know that creating an article on Wikipedia as a newcomer is difficult – it's like trying to run a half marathon on your first day of training. See An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and realize that such an article cannot be promotional. I wouldn't reccomend starting with trying to create an article, but if you still would like to try, take a look at Your First Article before you get started.
Alternatively, are you talking about your userpage (a description related to your work on Wikipedia)? If so, check out that userpage guideline, keep it civil and relevant, and have fun! Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to the June 2024 newsletter, a quarterly-ish digest of Guild activities since April. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.
Election news: Wanted: new Guild coordinators! If you value and enjoy the GOCE, why not help out behind the scenes? Nominations for our mid-year coordinator election are now open until 23:59 on 15 June (UTC). Self-nominations are welcome. Voting commences at 00:01 on 16 June and continues until 23:50 on 30 June. Results will be announced at the election page.
Blitz: Nine of the fourteen editors who signed up for the April 2024 Copy Editing Blitz copy edited at least one article. Between them, they copy edited 55,853 words comprising twenty articles. Barnstars awarded are available here.
Drive: 58 editors signed up for our May 2024 Backlog Elimination Drive and 33 of those completed at least one copy edit. 251 articles and 475,952 words were copy edited. Barnstars awarded are here.
Progress report: As of 05:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC) , GOCE copyeditors have completed 161 requests since 1 January and the backlog stands at 2,779 articles.
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I would suggest you try other, easier edits first to get more familiar with Wikipedia and its policies and guidelines before embarking on an article. You can find edits to make via your homepage, at the Task Center, or by exploring various Wikiprojects – let me know if you have any more questions on this. If you still want to try for an article, make sure to read and follow Your First Article – it should give you what you need to get started.
Hey, I just made edits to my personal page, and added a head shot, my book cover, and some biographical information. But none of it was allowed for citation reasons. Help! --Auden Schendler (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Auden Schendler, and welcome! Wikipedia strongly discourages writing about yourself for conflict of interest reasons, and has very specific sourcing standards. (I'm not sure what your exact question regarding sources is there – let me know if you have any further questions regarding that that I can help with.) If you're asking more generally about how to handle an article about yourself, check out the guideline for that here. Let me know if you have any other questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Welcome, Edudzi1! The biggest part is finding an article you'd like to make a change to. A couple ideas for you:
Check out your Homepage to see if there's anything there you'd like to edit.
You can look at various Wikiprojects to find groups focused on topics you're interested in. An easier one to start with if you've no interests in mind is WikiProject Orphanage, which is linking orphans to other articles in the encyclopedia.
Or just click Random Article and see if there's anything you can improve. Often there'll be grammar or spelling to fix on random articles, which are some of the easiest improvements to begin editingwith. I just used Random Article to find Philip Ashworth and edit it. Starting small helps you get a feel for editing Wikipedia and makes larger edits easier.
If you'd prefer to get straight into content editing, make sure you understand the importance of references so that content is verifiable, one of the Five Pillars of Wikipedia, but do be careful of copyright and don't just copy content.
Hi, Justinnx, and welcome! I’m assuming you’re talking about the edits on your homepage? Those are based on maintenance templates that editors have added to articles based on improvements they think the article needs. Adding specific templates can put an article into the suggested edits in that homepage. Hope this helps! Please let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 17:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
I cannot insert a form of strict criminal liability:
....The illicit praeter intentionem is canon law.
In the Italian criminal system there is a large literature on the unintentional crime regulated by articles 584, 43, 42, 585 of the penal code and 27 of the constitution: one thesis highlights the objective liability ontology of unintentional homicide, which cannot be converted into negligent homicide; the opposite orientation, due to the art. 27 of the Constitution, deems the rejection of strict liability inevitable in favor of ascertaining culpable liability for unintentional death, and without renouncing the unitary nature of a single crime. The Spanish system, in fact, imitating the solution adopted in the Swiss and Swedish penal codes), charges the offender with two crimes: the voluntary crime of injury and --Joseph77237 (talk) 09:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Joseph77237, and welcome! I'm afraid I'm not sure what it is that's causing issues. You seem to have successfully made an edit to the article. Can you tell me what the issue is that you're encountering with adding the information to the article so I can provide more help? (Don't forget to cite your sources when you do add the info!) Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
How can I report use of what I consider weasel words in an article? The entry in question is the Jenő Rákosi, the (original) Hungarian version. It refers to the "murderous" Treaty of Versailles (gyilkos Trianoni szerződés).
The english version of the article is missing this qualifier. I would also remark that the translation into English is so bad as to render it almost unintelligible.
Regards, Peter --Kovesp1 (talk) 19:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Peter, and welcome! The English and Hungarian Wikipedias are separate projects, so you would have to follow the Hungarian Wikipedia's processes there (I don't speak Hungarian, so I'm not active on that wiki, sorry).
Translations on Wikipedia can be rough, so feel free to be bold and improve it! I can take a look at some later, but every improvement to the encyclopedia came because someone said "I can fix that" and did. Let me know if you have any other questions! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello, SantwinderSingh, and welcome. I'm afraid you're here for something other than the purpose of Wikipedia – promotion and advertising is not allowed here, and as such it's quite hard to create an article about a company you are connected with. It's very difficult to write neutrally and in a non-promotional manner about something you're so connected with. In fact, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use to disclose editing about your employer and it is generally strongly discouraged. I would recommend not continuing with trying to create an article about your employer as a result, but if you still would like to, read the conflict of interest guideline and pay careful attention to follow especially the section titled "Paid editing". Any article you create should say only what reliable sources say and be neutrally worded, and be put through the Articles for Creation process.
I know that's a lot of information and links, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask me here. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Slew123. I'm afraid you'll have to look somewhere else for making money, as Wikipedia is almost entirely run/maintained by volunteers (that's kind of the whole point – it's "the free encyclopedia anyone can edit"). Let me know if you have any other/further questions! Perfect4th (talk) 02:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Pandeyrishi73, and welcome! This help article explains how to add an image (the simplified versions linked in the box at the top are very useful if you'd like to start there). Let me know if you have any further questions! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 20:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, AjishKurian, and welcome! Creating a Wikipedia article is pretty complicated and involves following a lot of internal policies and guidelines that newer editors aren't familiar with, so it's usually recommended that editors start with easier edits to get used to editing Wikipedia (you can check out your suggested edits on your homepage if you like). Once you're a little more familiar with Wikipedia processes and the policies (including notability) to follow for an article, check out the Articles for Creation process and it can walk you through creating and submitting one. Let me know if you have any other questions! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 20:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Sirminkstudios. Wikipedia is not designed for self-promotion, but you're welcome to make other improvements to the encyclopedia if you commit to the paid contribution disclosure, change your username, and avoid editing promotionally. See the message on your talk page for more information. Let me know if you have any more questions, and happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 20:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
and then follow the steps at Uploading images. Then you can just follow the instructions at Pictures (or, easier yet, one of the simplified versions in the green box at the top of that page) to add it to the article.
I know that's a lot of information all at once, so feel free to let me know if you have any more questions! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 23:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Shazana Shafeer! I assume you're talking about your sandbox? Creating a new article from scratch is really difficult for a newcomer, but the good news is that the English Wikipedia already has an article on Education in India – feel free to expand that based on what reliable sources say! If you mean something else, or if you have any other questions at all, feel free to ask me here or on your talk page as I'll be watching it as well. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Growth News, July 2024
Extended content
Community Configuration
The Growth team released Community Configuration at all Wikipedias. You can access it at Special:CommunityConfiguration.
This new special page replaces Special:EditGrowthConfig. For now, all Growth features can be configured using Community Configuration. Configuration for AutoModerator (T365046) and other features will be available in the future.
We will add a new Community Configurable module to the Newcomer Homepage that will allow communities to highlight specific events, projects, campaigns, and initiatives. We have released a simple version available to beta wikis. We will conduct an A/B test at our pilot wikis using the new Metrics Platform. We still welcome community feedback on initial designs and plans, in any language at our project talk page.
As part of the Growth team 2024/2025 Annual Plan, the Growth team will explore various ways to increase the percentage of newcomers who successfully start editing.
Editing a Wikipedia page requires too much context and patience. It means many trial and error for newcomers to contribute, meaning a steeper learning curve and potential discouraging reverts. To support a new generation of volunteers, we will increase the number and availability of smaller, structured, and more task-specific editing workflows (E.g. Edit Check and Structured Tasks). The Growth team will primarily focus on Structured Tasks, while working closely with the Editing team to ensure our work integrates well with Edit Check.
Stay informed
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Hi, Joelsumner100! Is this about Draft:The golden meditation? Creating a new article from scratch is pretty hard for new editors, but the good news is that the English Wikipedia already has an article on Tai chi – feel free to expand that based on what reliable sources say! If you mean something else, or if you have any other questions at all, feel free to ask me here or on your talk page as I'll be watching it as well. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Marco xavie, and welcome! You can edit a Wikipedia article by clicking the "Edit" button up near the top. Let me know if you have any other questions! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
hi, can you check the Praeterintention entry?: I've finished fixing it: simplifying it further means giving the user wrong information, and from tomorrow I can't intervene.; if there is any problematic
aspect highlighted in red. good morning --Joseph77237 (talk) 16:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Joseph77237! I glanced over the article, but I'm not sure what all you're wanting me to check. You might take a look at providing context for the reader; the article is somewhat technical at the moment and is harder for people without experience in the field to understand. You probably also don't need the full list of countries - can you summarize what the list is meant to mean? Let me know if you have further questions! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 04:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi. In practice, the preterintentional crime is a wild card institution: when a defendant cannot be convicted for malice or negligence, judges refer to praeter intention. The list of countries is used to show that it exists in all the states of the world, and in the notes the Wikipedia user can go and look at the rule of the linked code. I read the corresponding entry in the Britannica Encyclopedia (contained within the homicide entry) but it is completely wrong: it provides the user with untrue information. Unfortunately, language cannot do without technical terms: it would give incorrect information to those who consult the entry. However, I have simplified as much as possible: 1) meaning of praeterintention; 2) what it is for; 3) how it is structured; 4) what are its applications; 5) how it is regulated by all the states of the world; 6) a list with a link in the note to go and look at the codes of each individual state. Regards Joseph77237 (talk) 05:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Joseph77237! The most experience I can claim with law of any sort is a single college business law class and it's been awhile, so I'm very far from a subject matter expert.
On the one hand, that does mean that I can see the draft article as the average reader might – when I look at it, I don't quite understand the context of what it's discussing. Take a look at the Precedent article – the lead/opening paragraph gives a very basic overview so the reader understands the framework of the term ("okay, we're talking about a concept used in a criminal legal case"). Introducing it will help the reader be able to understand the remainder of the article; Wikipedia has after all articles on everything from Star Wars to Koliellopsis and we have no idea what experience readers come into an article with.
On the other hand, I'm again very far from a subject matter expert, so I would not be the best person to identify further improvements for your draft if you've further questions. I would recommend asking for input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law as those editors have more experience in the field.
Thanks. I know this institute very well (I did a university doctorate on this topic) ... and I tried to provide a service to users: there are many inaccuracies online. Therefore: it can't be simpler than this: I also made the examples in brackets and I eliminated the references to other countries on the advice of administrators. I have a question: can I put it back in the position of the articles?, or do we have to wait for the revision? regards. Joseph77237 (talk) 18:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
hello. I'm abandoning my voice and contributions: an administrator told me to delete the references to all the countries in the world, and another administrator just told me that we need to put the references to the countries in the world for a comparison. He also said that they are original research: but reading the sources indicated in the note, no???!!! It's a schizophrenic way of doing things that I can't follow: if a person doesn't know diamonds, they will always treat them like stones. goodbye. Joseph77237 (talk) 05:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry you've been frustrated with work on Wikipedia. Creating a new article is notoriously difficult for new editors because there are many, many policies and guidelines for articles to follow and it's difficult to follow them well without taking a good amount of time to become familiar with them. I see you've been collaborating with another editor, so I hope they can help you on the specifics of your content better than I; you are always free to ask here about general editing questions as well. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 04:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Happiness4Beginners! I see a lot has happened in the few days I was busy, sorry! Looking at your talk page, a little clarification for you regarding what's in your unblock request – for 1), "contributions" basically means you're getting paid somehow (how exactly – whether from an office, or YouTube revenue, or something else – doesn't matter). So basically, if you have any financial stake in what you're doing, you have to say so. For 3, just keep in mind that any content in Wikipedia should be summarizing what reliable sources say only and you'll be on the right track. I know you can't reply here, but I'll be watching your talk page as well, so feel free to ask any questions there and I'll try to explain when I can. Perfect4th (talk) 21:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I wish to edit a page on wikipedia dealing with "Tyagi".
A lot of misinformation has been added on the page and i have legit sources/citations to address the issues.Kindly,help me with the edits --Aadhrit260892 (talk) 09:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Technical-wise, you can't create an article before your account has reached a certain age and number of edits (four days and ten edits, I believe), but you can create a draft, and I would recommend this – you can get feedback from experienced editors about an article that way before publishing it.
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Hello Perfect4th, and thank you for your mentorship. I'd be grateful if you could take a look at this P.G. O'Dea article, where a template was added, suggesting that some citations may not verify the text. The citations themselves are legitimate and come from 1940s and 1950s newspapers. However, the URLs provided (which link to visual access of the source via Wikimedia Commons) seem to be causing the issue.
I believe the citations would not have been questioned had the URLs not been added, but the URLs were included only to allow readers easier access to the visual sources. Could you kindly review the template and the discussion on the talk page? I’d appreciate your guidance on whether the template is necessary or if it could be removed, considering the legitimacy of the sources themselves. Thank you for your time and assistance! Kokatoni (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Kokatoni! I'm sorry for taking so long – I was unexpectedly busy these last few days. Looks like you've had a good conversation on the talk page of the article, which was exactly the right venue. In general in my experience, screenshots are not really verifiable, so we can't really count them as reliable sources, but adding the sources on their own should work.
If you ever have more sources questions that get specific and you're looking for more eyes (or your mentor disappears off the face of the earth), you can also take a look at the reliable sources noticeboard, where some folks can take a look at source questions for you. You're also always welcome to drop by here (and I'll try to answer a bit faster next time)! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello. I need help creating a template. I want it to show a specific team on the log table but showing only 5 teams. the template is Template:2024-25 South African Premiership. how do i go about it?
Hello, Greg! Are you trying to pattern the template off of a season's league team navigational box somewhere? I looked through Category:Association football navigational boxes and it doesn't seem that creating one for a single season is common practice on Wikipedia. However, there is a template for a league that links to all the teams in the league for a season, such as {{Template:Ghana Premier League}}. Will that format do what you're looking for? If not, do you know of an example of what you're trying to do? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello Perfect4th.Here is an example of what i am trying to do:
Updated to match(es) played on 2 July 2020. Source: Premier Soccer League Rules for classification: 1) Points; 2) Goal difference; 3) Goals scored; 4) Head-to-head points; 5) Head-to-Head goal difference; 6) Head-to-Head goals scored; 7) Playoff; 8) Relegated (R); 9) Qualified to the next round (T)
Greg, I must admit I have never seen that markup before, so I've asked here over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, and I've pinged you to that discussion so you can follow it as well. Hopefully one of the experienced editors there can give us a hand. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Can you block user Ss122? He got me blocked for 24 hours because he bribed another moderator into blocking me. He was edit warring on the Odetari page, against a valid edit I made. --Kingofthewetcats (talk) 19:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Kingofthewetcats. The folks on Wikipedia who have blocking ability are called admins; I am not one and cannot block anyone. You should also never cast aspersions of bribery as it can be a violation of one of Wikipedia's five pillars, No Personal Attacks.
I took a look at the Odetari article and the reverts in that history. While no one should edit war, especially not 3+ reverts, the best advice I can offer you is to not edit war yourself. The only person whose actions you are accountable for is your own – you can't control other people's actions. If you reach a point where you could be said to be edit-warring, discuss it on the talk page.
That being said, it does look like Wikipedia's external links guideline says not to link everything in a link to an external site (exact text: the lists themselves should not be composed entirely of external links). You could certainly add a general link to Odetari's YouTube channel in a new External Links section instead though.
Hi, Koribabori, and welcome! There's a tutorial on this help page that walks you through uploading and using pictures (& you can check out Help:Pictures if you want a more detailed explanation). You'll want to use the Commons option for pictures you take yourself. Let me know if you have any questions, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 23:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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