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User:Jane023/Women in Red, now blue on some Wikipedia
Hi Penny, thanks for taking the time to look at this list User:Jane023/Women in Red, now blue on some Wikipedia! Please don't edit the list. The idea is to show which items need information on Wikidata. All edits to the list will be overwritten by the listeria bot that created the list. If you update the Wikidata items, then when you click "update manually" you will see the changes. Thanks. Jane (talk) 19:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Ugh, okay, sorry I misunderstood. Wikidata feels like a minefield to me, I'm always afraid of editing anything there. Maybe someone bolder should do this instead, and I'll stick to en:wiki for now.Penny Richards (talk) 23:39, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
There are two things about the list that are useful: One is an indicator of whether they tend to have lots of other data besides occupation (they don't) and the other is to check for images & birthdates (which some do have). As I said to Rosie, don't try to fix the whole list in one go as it will get you down, but just pick at it from time to time. Try doing one on someone you know and just create an occupation statement on Wikidata. After about an hour, if you click "update manually", then this itam should disappear from the list (they are listed in descending order by Q number, which gives an indication of creation date). In the case of Penelope Reed Doob for example, you said she was a scholar and medievalist, but keep it simple on Wikidata - she's a writer. I did that one so you can check it when you click the Q number here: d:Q33111949. I just scrolled to the bottom of the statement list, clicked "add" then added "occupation" in the left hand property field, and "writer" in the right hand statement field, then clicked "save". Lot's of clicks for one statement, but it's a start. Best, Jane (talk) 10:31, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the patient explanation. I'm sure the list is very useful, but I'm not a data person; I don't get any thrill filling in forms (got plenty of that chore in my life already). So I'll leave Wikidata to the folks who do enjoy that. I had to laugh at "after about an hour"... that's definitely not how my leisure time online happens! Penny Richards (talk) 12:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree, that would be my decision too. Also, I like the idea of someone finding her on Wikipedia if they've got a painting by her (she seems to have been popular in her time, and still turns up at auction), and at least learning the when-and-where basics. Penny Richards (talk) 22:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
You have been invited to a meetup and edit-a-thon at the LA84 Foundation in Jefferson Park (near DTLA) on Thursday, September 7, 2017 from 5:45 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.! This event aims to improve coverage of female Olympians and Paralympians (some of whom will be attending!). There will be a deejay and food/drinks, and kids are welcome.
I believe that I have never had the pleasure of interacting with you before. I therefore took the liberty of visiting your user page and I must admit that I am impressed. You, my dear Penny, are truly amazing. Your work here should serve as a source of inspiration for everyone in Wikipedia. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:55, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Wow, thank you for such kind words, Tony the Marine! I visited your user page too, and enjoyed the stories and photos and amazing article counts very much. I really appreciate your help with getting the biographical article about María de Pérez Almiroty launched and looking good today. It needed attention from someone like you, who really knows Puerto Rican history. - Penny Richards (talk) 03:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely wonderful! I wikilinked her article to the "History of women in Puerto Rico" and the "Liberal Party of Puerto Rico" article. I would like to present you with this "barnstar" in recognition of your work.
Hi. Thankyou for your participation in the challenge series or/and contests. In November The Women in Red World Contest is being held to try to produce new articles for as many countries worldwide and occupations as possible. There will be over $4000 in prizes to win, including Amazon vouchers and paid subscriptions. If this would appeal to you and you think you'd be interested in contributing new articles on women during this month for your region or wherever please sign up in the participants section. If you're not interested in prize money yourself but are willing to participate and raise money to buy books about women for others to use, this is also fine. Thankyou, and if taking part, good luck!♦ Dr. Blofeld14:26, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Thankyou so much for the hard work! I make it $20 that you've won. Please double check. If you would like to donate any of your winnings into the Women in Red Book Fund to raise money to buy books for editors of women topics who need them on demand please add your name and the amount you'd like to donate in the sub section below the prize winners on the main contest page.♦ Dr. Blofeld14:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Please email me (at tembrey@pritzkermilitary.org) a postal mailing address to claim your prize in the recent WIR contest. Congrats! TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Give good gifts, one to another Peace, joy and comfort gladly bestow Harbor no ill 'gainst sister or brother Smooth life's journey as you onward go. Broad as the sunshine, free as the showers. So shed an influence blessing to prove; Give for the noblest of efforts your pow'rs; Blest and be blest, is the law of love.
Here's wishing you a happy Festivus! May you emerge victorious from the Feats of Strength, may your list of Grievances be short, and may your days be filled with Festivus Miracles. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:41, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I don't if you missed all the messages I left here and on commons and wikiveristy about this event.
I am checking with Ivo Kruusamägi from Wikimedia Estonia the composition of the final juries. We did our best to keep it balanced by continent, gender, field etc but in the end we are still working on it.
I hope that the results will promote science around the globe in any case. As a last appropriate effort now that more urgent issues have been addressed and we are finalizing the main organization, I am also looking all the profiles of active wikimedians that are women or from countries without a jury or from other research fields, with a public name and surname (jurors should be public figures) and a academic or scientific or technological education or position.
The key aspect is to make a wikidata item of the jurors, so I need some ID that show they are or were related to the academia. There are good chance for example that this is you. We want to give the idea to the young uploaders that we their images will be evaluated by people who were or are in the academia like them, with different backgrounds.
Would you be interested in joining us to be a juror in the second-level jury? I am sure that next time we will find new additional contacts and I will find your name not at the last minute. The workload is in December.
Also, as I said in the talk page of the next "women in red" event, we expect wikimedians to make good use of the images, and this includes also the portraits of professors, therefore the representation of women in science.
Even you don't have time, could you help us also in promoting the event amongst people you know or mailing lists or groups you have joined? This will be also useful to promote more national juries next time.
Good. Send an email with your email, the one you want to be used for the Mailing list and internal communication. If we get enough jurors, we can split them in two juries for different continents, that's what we will do probably when we rearrange the names alphabetically.--Alexmar983 (talk) 02:07, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Good job and very fast! the "rest of the world" category is not ready yet so maybe I put you soon as a juror for India...--Alexmar983 (talk) 06:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Glad to hear that. The main Iranian uploader is a very good photographer, although not a scientist. Unfortunately the Indian pictures are less nice, there is much more crap there (even if sometimes more scientific)... in any case as soon as the majority of the Iranian jurors have completed their tasks, we can start India. I simply cannot ask too many things at the same time to the same people. Also, I am not sure if the "rest of the world" category is ready, but they are only 150 files so it is much faster to revise.--Alexmar983 (talk) 05:09, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Penny, I just noticed this edit, where you add a reference that goes through your local proxy (the .gate.lib.buffalo.edu thing). I followed the link, and I don't get the information as I do not have access to the buffalo library (hence, rendering the link utterly useless for most of the world). Can you please update this link (and any others that you may have inadvertedly added)? Thanks! --Dirk BeetstraTC16:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Yeah. Once I didn't include the links, and got dinged for that too; so now I do include the links, even though (obviously) most people don't have Buffalo library privileges. I only use that account to access large newspapers (in the case of the Ida Benfey Judd article, it's all New York Times clippings), and figure that other folks can access those by whatever means work for them, using the date/page in the cite. But I can stop including the link at all, if that works better.Penny Richards (talk) 16:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
That looks like it would require a lot more tracking around on my part, to get a completely different link every time I use proquest; but I'll consider it. Penny Richards (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I am sorry, do you expect other editors to do it for you then? The link you have provided is .. utterly useless. The first solution I provided is a mere editing of the url, converting the proxy domain into the actual domain. --Dirk BeetstraTC16:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Oh no, I'd just probably give the cite without any blue link. Sources don't have to be accessible online at all; I sometimes cite books from my shelf, which I can't link, but WP:AGF applies. Penny Richards (talk) 17:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Also relevant: "It is convenient, but by no means necessary, for the archived copy to be accessible via the Internet." Wikipedia:PUBLISHED As I said, I'll try to do better, and I thank you for the specific help on fixing links; but I think of the link as a nice extra, as long as the citation is complete.Penny Richards (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I am fully aware of that, and I advocate that strongly. I however am also in favour to have correct links to the correct information - as I say, these are utterly useless. And I am not trying to suggest that you are adding these links in bad faith, I see you are meaning well. I do know that now someone else will come after you who has to correct all these links (and in some cases has to go a handful of extra miles, while you are on top of the information already. I don't have access to proquest here (maybe in the university library), but I guess that the query.nytimes.com link is somewhere on the page of the proquest result.
Just to note, this subject came up on a blacklist-discussion here, and we mitigated this from actually blacklisting these links (implement an edit filter, the one that you are now tripping regularly). I ran into your links, and started looking, and based on the results of the edit filter and this discussion, I am starting to be in favour of blacklisting these - many people are ignoring the remark that these links are utterly useless to the majority of the readers of wikipedia, and for some we are better off without them than that we have to do extra work. --Dirk BeetstraTC18:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
"I guess that the query.nytimes.com link is somewhere on the page of the proquest result." It isn't. That's the problem. They're annoying like that. I generally try to use links that can easily be googled if I find those first (and I do try), but I have university library access, and some subscriptions through WP:TWL; I use Proquest, JStor, EBSCO, etc., if that's where the best sources are. I'll definitely try to avoid using proxy links from now on; and I'll gladly leave out links to firewalled materials entirely, if that's really better. Penny Richards (talk) 19:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I have continued the original blacklist discussion I pointed you to in my previous post, and looked at the results of the EditFilter you tripped as well. That discussion now goes in the direction of disallowing the addition of these links (as most people ignored the warning and saved the link anyway - even some that are really easy to convert to a useful link, e.g. with DOIsin the link). For the ones in the filter, you now will not be able to save the edit (after a warning first). —Dirk BeetstraTC20:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Apologize
I do apologize for the warning I left you earlier. I accidentally reverted your change in that article due to thinking it was vandalism and also as well WP:GLOO acting up I have therefore undid my change. I do apologize for any problems it may have caused you. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 06:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Welcome to Women in Red's March 2018 worldwide online editathons.
Historically, our March event has been one of the biggest offerings of the year. This year, we are collaborating with two other wiki communities. Our article campaign is the official on-line/virtual node for Art+Feminism. Our image campaign supports the Whose Knowledge? initiative.
Women's History Month 2018
Please join us from 10:00 am - 5:00 pm on Saturday, March 31st for Wikipedia Day LA 2018 at the Ace Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. There will be speakers, panel discussions, a presentation on Wikidata, flash sessions, and a discussion about the formation of an LA User Group. There could be dramatic readings of LA-related talk pages, and there will be truly excellent cake. Please RSVP on the event page if you're thinking of joining us.
We so appreciate your joining us on March 15th to celebrate the work of female artists and designers, and to address the gender disparity on Wikipedia. In particular, thank you, Penny, for lending your expertise as a seasoned Wikipedia editor to the many participants at the event that were new to editing on Wikipedia.
We made a difference, and we couldn't have done it without you!
Best regards,
Sue Maberry,
Director of Library and Instructional Technology
Heather Cleary,
Digital Projects and Metadata Librarian
Jean-Marie Venturini,
Assistant Director of the Teaching and Learning Center; Instructional Designer
Note: please forgive me if this isn't in the right place, as I am new to Wikipedia and am still learning the lay of the land! We wanted to send you a personal thank you note, but the email address we have for you didn't work, so we wanted to find some way to contact you to express our thanks.LHR2LAX (talk) 21:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)LHR2LAX
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