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Good day! I just wanted to give you a heads up again (and pinging @OtharLuin here as well) that during the second half of September more or less, I will be unable to edit sumo articles - or anything on Wikipedia for that matter - due to personal down time. This will include most of the September basho dates. Thank you, JRHorse (talk) 12:25, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230814122500","author":"JRHorse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JRHorse-20230814122500-\"kyujo\"","replies":["c-Pawnkingthree-20230814180100-JRHorse-20230814122500","c-OtharLuin-20230814194400-JRHorse-20230814122500"]}}-->

@JRHorse: Thanks for the heads up! I'm sure that between OtharLuin and myself (and maybe one or two others!) we will have the updates covered. Enjoy your break! Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230814180100","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20230814180100-JRHorse-20230814122500","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the ping, hope all is well at home. Normally no major problems for this tournament for me either. See you later, have a good break! - OtharLuin (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230814194400","author":"OtharLuin","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-OtharLuin-20230814194400-JRHorse-20230814122500","replies":["c-JRHorse-20230814224400-OtharLuin-20230814194400"]}}-->

Thanks to both of you, JRHorse (talk) 22:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230814224400","author":"JRHorse","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JRHorse-20230814224400-OtharLuin-20230814194400","replies":["c-JRHorse-20230918011300-JRHorse-20230814224400"]}}-->

@Pawnkingthree @OtharLuin thanks again, enjoy the rest of the basho! JRHorse (talk) 01:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230918011300","author":"JRHorse","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-JRHorse-20230918011300-JRHorse-20230814224400","replies":[]}}-->

Reason for the revert? A quote isn't a proper dismissal. Секретное общество (talk) 23:35, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230904233500","author":"\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435 \u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230904233500-Roy_Keene_assault","replies":["c-Pawnkingthree-20230904233900-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230904233500"]}}-->

@Секретное общество: I thought my edit summary was perfectly clear. Why did you add the phrase "burst onto the scene" to the article about six times? That is not good writing. The section about Roy Keane is also not important enough for a biography of Richards per WP:UNDUE. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230904233900","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20230904233900-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230904233500","replies":["c-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230908212400-Pawnkingthree-20230904233900"]}}-->

My first edit was at 17:54, September 4, 2023

There's nothing about "bursting into the scene", let alone six occasions. Also, a complete revert wasn't warranted when, as per WP:MoS and several other guidelines, well-known happenings are supposed to be handled with source tags or simply fixed/added to. I'm going to submit this happening again, and I will add some more references. If this is an issue, we'll bring it to the talk page. I don't think you should accuse people of edits that they did not make. Секретное общество (talk) 21:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230908212400","author":"\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435 \u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230908212400-Pawnkingthree-20230904233900","replies":["c-Pawnkingthree-20230908220000-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230908212400"]}}-->

But you did make the edit. Look at the diff. When you added the section about Keane, you also restored an older version of the article that contained the bizarre "bursting onto the scene" edits. So it may have been unintentional, but you were still responsible for putting that nonsense back in! If you want to add the Roy Keane update again properly, go ahead but I don't think I acted improperly - per WP:BRD, you made a bold edit and I reverted because "well known happening" or not, in my opinion it did not warrant inclusion in the article. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230908220000","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20230908220000-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230908212400","replies":["c-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230908221700-Pawnkingthree-20230908220000"]}}-->

I made one edit to add another source, and one revert. You're looking at the wrong edit, apparently. Regardless, that's not the process. Секретное общество (talk) 22:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230908221700","author":"\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435 \u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230908221700-Pawnkingthree-20230908220000","replies":["c-Pawnkingthree-20230908222400-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230908221700"]}}-->

I'm looking at the right edit. The diff above is the only edit you have ever made to Micah Richards. You added a source and made a revert on Roy Keane, but that's not the article we're discussing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230908222400","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20230908222400-\u0421\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0435\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0435_\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e-20230908221700","replies":[]}}-->

Hello there. I was a bit surprised that you re-opened the nomination on the world record in men’s marathon by literally undoing my closure without keeping a single track of it. You really do have the right to re-open closed nominations at any time, but you should at least mention that you’ve done it and then continue the discussion. Otherwise, the effect of your action is equivalent to removing someone’s comment. Thanks for you understanding. Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231009180100","author":"Kiril Simeonovski","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20231009180100-Undoing_closures","replies":["c-Pawnkingthree-20231009180700-Kiril_Simeonovski-20231009180100"]}}-->

@Kiril Simeonovski: I intended to simply revert you, which would have generated a notification, but there was an edit conflict, so I had to do it manually. I thought it made it clear in the edit summary what I was doing, and that you would be watching the page anyway. Sorry if that wasn't the right way to do it. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231009180700","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20231009180700-Kiril_Simeonovski-20231009180100","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. You undid my addition of Chess18 to the table of similar variants because there is "no indication of notability" of Chess18. That's fine, but is there indication of notability of Chess870? They both seem to lack notability and are not generally played as variants on their own. I know that Chess18 was at least played in a tournament format in the Timber Moose Chess18 event which featured popular chess streamers, including Anna Cramling, Daniel Naroditsky, Eric Rosen, and others. I know of no such notable events occurring with Chess870.

I'm fine with leaving Chess18 out, but how can that be consistent with leaving Chess870 in? Is there evidence that Chess870 is a more notable variant than Chess18? Theferocious1 (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231105161600","author":"Theferocious1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Theferocious1-20231105161600-Adding_Chess870_to_the_table_but_removing_Chess18?","replies":["c-Pawnkingthree-20231105162000-Theferocious1-20231105161600"]}}-->

@Theferocious1 I see you posted to the talk page as well. I'll respond there. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231105162000","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20231105162000-Theferocious1-20231105161600","replies":["c-Theferocious1-20231105162600-Pawnkingthree-20231105162000"]}}-->

I just posted here as well because I wasn't sure you'd see it. Thanks! Theferocious1 (talk) 16:26, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231105162600","author":"Theferocious1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Theferocious1-20231105162600-Pawnkingthree-20231105162000","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello! I went back to look for possible new sources on the WP:Sumo page recently to work on improving the article related to tokoyama and I noticed that our page lacked a bit of organization compared to other pages (like WP:FR or WP:HV.

Of course, it's not a critical but I've worked on reorganization of the page (I'm still working) and I'd like to have your opinion on example the home page and the assessment page. Cheers! - OtharLuin (talk) 12:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112124000","author":"OtharLuin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-OtharLuin-20240112124000-Opinion_on_a_possible_redesign_of_the_Wikiproject:_Sumo_page","replies":["c-Pawnkingthree-20240202151100-OtharLuin-20240112124000"]}}-->

Hey @OtharLuin I like the redesign! Looks much better. Just one thing, is there still a link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sumo/Recognition somewhere on the page? I think that is worth keeping. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240202151100","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20240202151100-OtharLuin-20240112124000","replies":["c-OtharLuin-20240202191900-Pawnkingthree-20240202151100"]}}-->

Hi PK! Thanks for the feedback! Regarding the Recognition page, the Assessment page already mentions the recognition ratings via the table so I didn't really think about including it but I can add the content after the assessments, or create a new tab, what do you think? - OtharLuin (talk) 19:19, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240202191900","author":"OtharLuin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-OtharLuin-20240202191900-Pawnkingthree-20240202151100","replies":["c-Pawnkingthree-20240203135400-OtharLuin-20240202191900"]}}-->

@OtharLuin I don't think a new tab is necessary. Just after the assessment is fine. I just think with a relatively small WikiProject like ours it might be nice to keep track of when an article has reached one of those milestones! Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240203135400","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20240203135400-OtharLuin-20240202191900","replies":["c-OtharLuin-20240203141800-Pawnkingthree-20240203135400"]}}-->

I've added the categories from the base page to the assessment tab :) - OtharLuin (talk) 14:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240203141800","author":"OtharLuin","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-OtharLuin-20240203141800-Pawnkingthree-20240203135400","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks for clearing that up. Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240207191800","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20240207191800-RickinBaltimore-20240207191300","replies":["c-RickinBaltimore-20240207193600-Pawnkingthree-20240207191800"]}}-->

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@UtherSRG Had this in draft for quite some time already. Not my article originally but I saw it was speedily deleted via A7 despite previously being a DYK (!) then I asked for it to be restored so I could work on it. Wasn't moved into main space by me, that was another editor, but I thought it wasn't far off. I'd been focusing on notability and referencing, being promotional hadn't even crossed my mind. It mentions his convictions and bankruptcy, hardly seems like an advert to me. Oh well, needs another rewrite I guess. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240410125700","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20240410125700-UtherSRG-20240410124800","replies":["c-UtherSRG-20240410131000-Pawnkingthree-20240410125700"]}}-->

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Well that's the thing - his profession is not what he is known for, it is for being the mate of a famous footballer. I think he meets GNG but he doesn't fit the format of most bios. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240410131600","author":"Pawnkingthree","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Pawnkingthree-20240410131600-UtherSRG-20240410131000","replies":["c-UtherSRG-20240410195500-Pawnkingthree-20240410131600"]}}-->

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