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KunaI very much doubt that the Kuna were aware of any "international swastika craze". I don't know if you've been to the islands and seen how they live, but even today it's not exactly wired into mainstream society. And in 1925, its surprising that they knew about Panama... ;-) The Kuna revolution (they fought with traditional poisoned arrows) was sparked off by Panamanian authoritarianism, and their expression of their cultural identity sprang directly from that. A symbol identical to the swastika (though I don't know what they call it) seems to have been in use there for many years, and as it represents creation, it must have been the natural choice as the basis for their flag. — Johan the Ghost seance 10:48, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
And now they are trying to fix the votehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:StanZegel#Jesus_Article_Vote Robsteadman 13:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC) Was Richard Wagner an opera manager?Hmm. I see you have reverted my deletion of Wagner from the 'opera manager' category. No big deal, however while Wagner did indeed 'manage opera' he was considerably more than the other professional managers like Bing, Christie etc. who are in this category. In his younger days, Wagner's role in the opera house was that of a conductor not a manager. If you are going to list composers, why stop at Wagner? You can list Verdi, Richard Strauss and probably dozens of others. Almost all composers are involved in the productions of their operas, the selection of singers. Kleinzach 10:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Piss ChristNice. Slrubenstein | Talk 15:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
QuestionI was wondering if you agree with the proposition that the term "Aryan" is no longer used in technical writings (or if it used it only refers to Indo-Aryans and not Indo-Iranians or Indo-Europeans). If not, what do you think is the definition of term and how do you think it should be applied? Thank you, AucamanTalk 17:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
There is a request for mediation in place regarding this issue. Your comments would be appreciated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02_Persian_people
Thank you for your support, we do appreciate it very much --Kash 10:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC) Perjorative uses of the word GayIn that context, gay and lame have similar meanings.--Vercalos 08:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC) HelpPlease go here[2]and sign under the users who tried to solve the dispute and failed, since yourname was mentioned. So, please go sign your name under the section, `Users certifying the basis for this dispute`. ThanksZmmz 17:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC) AfrocentrismThere is a comment in the Afrocentrism article that I am curious about. I believe you are the one who wrote it, if not then maybe you have some insight into it as you seem to have built the majority of the article. The comment: "It is important to note, this Afrocentric viewpoint had developed while mainstream scholarship was seriously wrestling with the Eurocentric idea that Nordic or contiental Europeans had founded Egyptian royalty and established the dynastic leadership of Egypt." I have never heard this although it is very interesting, any insights into sources or the current state of this idea would be appreciated. this comment was added by User:Djaiello 05:56, 9 March 2006 Image Tagging for Image:Brigitte_and_Tiye.JPGThanks for uploading Image:Brigitte_and_Tiye.JPG. The image has been identified as not specifying the source and creator of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the source and creator of the image on the image's description page, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. For more information on using images, see the following pages: This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see User talk:Carnildo/images. 10:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC) ParsisAfghan Historian here, from the AIT page. I appreciate your discussion on that page. And, I was wondering if you could help me. I just thought I agreed with most that Parsis are ethnically Persian until I read a genetic study where it showed them to be only patrilineally Iranian and matrilineally Indian, (suprisingly). What would you label them as? I also ask because many want to label Freddie Mercury Persian because he himself apparently stated so, even though he was a Parsi and, I think, trying to keep his background a secret. -User: Afghan Historian Olmec, a mild warningI've blocked 86.136.81.80 for violating WP:3RR. Technically, I could block you too, but I won't, seeing as how he made seven reverts and you only made four, he's still three ahead of you and in greater violation. Next time something like this is about to happen, post it at WP:AN3. Happy editing. — Mar. 14, '06 [00:18] <freakofnurxture|talk>
ThanksGreetings, and thanks for the Taj. --Bhadani 17:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC) Are you kidding?You wrote on the Elijah Muhammad page that he was as bad as the Klan's.... are you kidding me? Did the NOI go to white peoples' houses' and break windows and throw torches inside their houses? You definitly don't know what you're talking about. unsigned comment by User:Icelandic Clementine
Truly yoursFeeling glad to talk with you – truly yours. --Bhadani 14:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC) Stephen Moorer, Artistic Director of Pacific Repertory Theatre User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of NewrozUser:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it. Here is what user:Diyako has written; Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz. According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks. Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda. Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz! He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman. 69.196.139.250 21:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC) TrumpetPower!Hello, I don't know if you agree, but imo TrumpetPower! seems to be reaching a point of obnoxiousness that might warrant some kind of action. Any thoughts? john k 20:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC) I'm not really sure. An RfC might be in order, but I find the whole process tiresome, and generally lose interest halfway through, so I'm probably not the best person to start one. I'm also not sure he's really reached that level of disruption. john k 16:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC) Copyright of poem?Hi. Do you know what the copyright status is of that poem you just pasted the entirety of to Talk:Wiccan Rede? It seems to have only been published rather recently. Perhaps it might be best to simply excerpt the particular lines that need discussion? Jkelly 23:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC) Aucaman and Iranian peoplesHi, Paul. I was wondering if you could help assist in providing sources over at Iranian peoples. It's going to take me some time to get down to the university library to dig up references and Aucaman has been creating a lot of problems at this article - once one problem has been solved, he immediately tries to find another one, even if that one was dealt with before. BTW, if you are so inclined, your comments at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:Aucaman would be much appreciated. Take care, SouthernComfort 04:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC) About historical racial terms being casually used in the Oriental pageLet me summarize your argument. Slippery Slope Fallacy: If we were to change the term Mongoloid to please people we would have to change other offensive terms like Bugger, Jew, Dutch Elm Disease and German Measeles which are far too numerous. Since we cannot possibly change all these terms, we should not change mongoloid. The argument you made is fallacious. We can change the term mongoloid to a less offensive term. Argumentum ad antiquitatem Fallacy India historically has included the entirety of the Indian Subcontinent. Since the term has been used more inclusively in the past, we must continue using it now. The argument you made is fallacious. Today, India is understood to just include the nation of India. South Asia has a clear meaning. South Asia is not the same as "southern Asia" which encompases more "West Asian" nations. South Asia, I feel, is properly defined by SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation) because it is based off of self-definition. -- 9:50 (PST) March 30 2006User:Dark Tichondrias The term does not refer to a phenotype. This was the mistake of early 20th century anthropologists. There is no clear definition of what a mongoloid is. The term Indian in reference to all of South Asia is outdated.-- 10:50 (PST) March 30 2006User:Dark Tichondrias It is taught in anthropological classes as a dated anthropological term developed by early 20th century race scientists. It is not a phenotype.- 10:50 (PST) March 30 2006User:Dark Tichondrias It is taught in anthropological classes as a dated anthropological term developed by early 20th century race scientists. It is not a phenotype. If the image did come from a present day anthropology class, the class is suspect as to its legitimacy. Asians have both broad and narrow skulls. Asians have both flatter and more projected faces.- 11:30 (PST) March 30 2006User:Dark Tichondrias
Taj MahalIn the article, you erased the part that it said it was built by Persian architects. You said not only Iranians but all architects (Turkish, etc etc) were from Iran because Iran in that time was much bigger country than it is now. As it is mentioned in the article: As of 1983, the Taj Mahal was designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site that was "constructed by Iranians (Persians), or designed and constructed in the style of Iranian architecture". So i think it is important that this be mentioned in the top of the article. N.B. : Iran is the only country with more than 2000 years of history in it's area. Which means it's neighbors (Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, Pakistan, Armanistan, Tajikistan, etc,etc) are a part of it or a part of an older country such as India. (66.36.140.181 00:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC))
Image copyright problem with Image:Shershah.jpgThanks for uploading Image:Shershah.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the copyright status of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate copyright tag, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well. For more information on using images, see the following pages: This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Image legality questions. 13:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC) svastika, south asiaHello-- regarding the reversion of the "svastika" page from proposed "South Asian version of this symbol..." back to "Hindu version of this symbol..." I don't think that this is evasive, but rather points to an important point that the pages as it currently stands misses: If Jains and Buddhists also use this symbol, and more importantly it was in use long before the term "Hindu" came to be reflexively used at all, then the phrase "Hindu version of this symbol" both superimposes Hinduism on the other religions that make use of the swastika in South Asia, and also retroactively places the term Hindu on a time when this term was not operative. Both of these issues are particularly sensitive considering the current Hindutva attempts to equate the south Asian subcontinent with Hinduism, so that's why I think the change is useful. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this. Thanks. Bmani 00:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC) Your edit history indicates you have briefly worked on the article on Anna Leonowens. Recently this version of the article has been contested by User:J M Rice who calls it "POV" and reduces the article to a stub version by removing most content. Could you contribute your own opinion on the discussion? Up till now we seem to be reverting back and forth undproductively. User:Dimadick Erroneous delete of footnote at "cunt"Your edit of 12:08, July 15, 2005 of Cunt removed a footnote about the usage of the similar word kunta in Norwegian and Swedish. Your comment was (added definition of cuntline. remove odd passage on kunta. no reason is given for telling us that a similar word does NOT exist in Swedish.) This suggests you didn't realize this was indeed a footnote (as indicated by the † (dagger) symbol in the text and at the beginning of the footnote which you removed. I am reinserting the footnote since the lone dagger as it now stands becomes enigmatic. __meco 11:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC) Historicity of DavidThank you, Paul, for suggesting balance between value and doubt in your revision to the section, "Historicity of David." In the interest of balance, I also counterweighted the three-word pattern on the doubt side with a three-word pattern on the value side. Your changes also gave me occasion to point out that both archaeological discoveries and biblical texts are interpreted. Lawrencemykytiuk 20:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC) Priory of SionDo you want me to send you a copy of E G Rey's 1888 article where he refers to THE ABBEY OF SION (EMPHASIS - NOT "PRIORY OF SION")? You keep altering everything to "Priory" when no such description applies at all - even a Papal Communication refers to the religious community as an ABBEY OF SION (transcribed by E G Rey in his article). Why do you keep changing things to "Priory of Sion" all the time? I'll send you a copy of Rey's article - don't take my word for it - read Rey's article. I'll send you a scan - what's your e-mail address? Paul Smith.
Hello again - further to this article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Sion The name "Order of Sion" originates from Plantard's "Dossiers Secrets" and from nowhere else (in the context of the PoS being "linked" with the Templars) and this is not history. Also, the statement "The Order occupied its "mother" abbey, the Abbey de Notre Dame du Mont Sion, built on the foundations of the original apostolic Cenacle, or Coenaculum, traditionally assumed to be the location of the Last Supper" is one of Steven Mizrach's theories and nothing else - no more historical than the claim that the Abbey of Notre Dame de Mont Sion was called "Order of Sion". Paul Smith Coptic Grammar.Hi Paul - thanks for the information. Have you got any citations for:- On the basis of Coptic grammar and vocabulary, it is widely assumed that the mising word is "mouth"? And are you reffering to coptic a language, or arabic, or hebrew for this wide assumption? I would be interested from an educational point of view. Thanks. Descendents of Edward IV and Henry VIIWhat sort of social rank would one have to bear in their family, in order to be a descendent of either? How far up the totem pole, would you say? This is intended to have broad answers and based on gradients of time and population, not going into specifics about exact descendents. About how common is their descent in the English or British genepool today? I've noticed that American Presidents don't descend from either king, but the most common recent royal ancestor shared by many of us is Edward III. How common is it for anybody in the English or British genepool, to have a Protestant royal ancestor? There is a general cutoff, isn't there? Is it because of fratricide in the Wars of the Roses, the Tudors' "new men", or the Union of the Crowns, or the parliamentary union under Queen Anne (I can't think of any non-royal family descent from the Hanoverians within the UK)? I'm thinking that there is a big difference between Plantagenet and Tudor descents, that the commons in all likelihood have the former and the latter is held by the lords. (just generally speaking) Then again, Tudor descent in the Welsh must be higher in general. I am further curious about pre-Royal Tudor blood in Anglo-British people today, since the status and/or concept of Welsh royalty/nobility is rather hazy in my mind. I found the Blevins aka Ap Bleddyn family of Powys in my ancestry, but have no real idea on what to make of it--or any other Welsh "native aristocracy". I might be able to find Stewart descent somewhere, from way back when. What percentage of Hanoverian background do you think that German colonists had in America? On the British side, I have to go as far back as Welf himself...but any recent genetic relationship with the Hanoverians or the counts of Nassau are completely obscure. How does one research those other colonial people, such as the Hessians? UK genealogy is relatively easy when focusing on English (and French) ancestries. What would a "national person" of Jerusalem (or Antioch, for example) in Crusader times be known as? We say "American" for those Founders, but was there such a nationality-term for the Crusaders in their own domains? I guess the term is supposed to be Levantine/Outremer, or "Crusader" as our national heritage says "Colonist"... IP Address 11:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm just asking you because I trust your range of knowledge. I'm curious about the most common recent royal ancestor--and dynasty for those of UK heritage. I think it is the Plantagenets, descent being from whichever monarch in that house. I do not believe that we (you, me, others) have Tudor and later royal descent (being descended from King James VI/I or the Hanoverians, etc), or that it is even possible in most cases. IP Address 14:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC) OopsThanks for the fix up. That's the sign it's too late for me to be wiki-ing. - brenneman{L} 13:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Olive branch I would like to extend an olive branch to you. It was not my intent to upset you or cause you any wikistress. In fact, this unfortunate incident may be seen as an opportunity to improve the use of the edit summary template(s), so that we can avoid this situation from occuring again with other editors. In that respect, I want to thank you for your feedback, as it has been quite valuable. You gave me the idea that each use of the edit summary template should be accompanied by a link to the relevant page name and/or link, so as to avoid any confusion. Again, I apologize for any ill will between us and I look forward to working with you in the future. If you have the time, could you comment on the task I added to my "to do" list? (The link is here) Any suggestions for improving the use of this template is appreciated. —Viriditas | Talk 02:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Da Vinci.Hello. I'm trying to work with you on the Da Vinci Code article. I proposed a compromise about the "How secret is the secret?" section. Will you please consider it and discuss it on the Da Vinci Talk Page? "How about i propose a compromise? Let's delete the "How secret is the secret" section, and instead add a sentence into the "criticism" section? Let's not put a huge paragraph about it, just a sentence that explains how some believe that the book is not a good piece of literature because it contains inconsistencies. Is that ok with you? dposse 20:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)" Thank you. dposse 22:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC) helpPaul, can you comment here [3]. Please review the recent edit history of the article. I did not think that using BCE and CE would be offensive to Christians, and the fact is the article has used these twerms for years. Moreove, I didn't think identifying the article as relevant to Jewish articles would be offensive to Christians. I appreciate your help, Slrubenstein | Talk 13:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC) favor?As someone who has recently edited this article, would you care to comment on: [4] and [5] Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 16:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC) Re: CarthageThanks for the heads-up. KongminRegent | Talk. Anglicanism and the Anglican CommunionHello! I noticed that you have been a contributor to articles on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion. You may be interested in checking out a new WikiProject - WikiProject Anglicanism. Please consider signing up and participating in this collaborative effort to improve and expand Anglican-related articles! Cheers! Fishhead64 22:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC) ThanksI thank you for keeping a watch on Ancient India. --Bhadani 17:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC) AshvamedhaI was responsible for writing a significant portion of the original article, including pointing out that it involved necrophilia, bestiality and other acts; that Ambedkar had refered to it; that Samudrgupta conducted it and that modern tv versions do not discuss it. I returned recently to find that it has been fairly controversial. I have difficulty following the discussion since people donot seem to indent or sign, and some older postings have been deleted However I would like to say
2) There seem to be issues regarding bias and translation. I read Telugu and can look up the books. The existing translation on the page is not very eloquent, even if it might be true. . 3) There is a genuine problem with using any Western translations published before 1960 . Dab---I'm sure your translation from Sanskrit is great, and I am not doubting your qualifications. However, translations in Indian languages by competent religious scholars do exist, as do translations issued in English by various temple shrines in India. I can procure one, and see if the verses are translated or not. I think they are usually reliable--I remember reading a copy of the Kalikapurana that I picked up at the Kamakhya shrine that mentioned passages other translations omitted. . 4) As I had pointed out earlier, the ritual continued into pre-modern times, and even this century in an attenuated form. Samudragupta's might have been the last true to scripture sacrifice but other Ashvamedhas happened. This is common with several Vedic rituals where pratices incompatible with modernity are rendered symbolic, ex using bread flour as a substitute for goats in the Agnistoma, stuffed human shaped food offerings instead of human sacrifice at Kalighat etc. It would be interesting to learn what precisely was used in place of copulation. 5) 'no one leadest me' is perfectly sound gramatically. It tries to imitate the kind of language the KJV Bible and Book of Common Prayer employed. I have a copy of George Fox's journal that uses the word leadest in a very similiar fashion. . Finally, I intend to edit the article significantly over the next few weeks. Since my Sanskrit is poor, it will not deal with the translation (except the Telugu part). A more detailed modern, Hindu view of the Ashvamedha is required. Literature discussing the semiotics, symbolism, modern understandings of it, Dalit and communist readings ( M.N Roy for instance) exists. Allegations of ethnocentric bias are very real, and cannot be dismissed as 'fundamentalist cruft.' Perhaps, incorporating the Hindu (vs. Vedic)take on Ashvamedha will make it less 'biased.' --Notquiteauden 11:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC) Priory of Sion - deleting additions by Paul SmithAre you targetting me again - are you automatically deleting ANYTHING that I put to the Priory of Sion article in Wikipedia? What is your problem? Most of the factual material on that page ORIGINATES WITH ME - Why don't you delete all that material also? Email me at wfgh58@yahoo.co.uk to explain why you do this. The latest addition by me below - please note that both Franck Marie and Pierre Jarnac established the fact that the tomb at Les Pontils was constructed in 1933 AND NOT IN 1903 by Louis Lawrence - they got this information by interviewing interviewing Adrien Bourrell who was Louis Lawrence's second son and who witnessed the construction of the tomb in 1933 - the site in 1903 did not occupy a tomb but a grave - and there is a difference between the two things. "Other research published by Franck Marie in 1974 and Michel Vallet (Pierre Jarnac) in 1985 had already shown that the tomb was created in 1933 by Louis Lawrence to contain the dead bodies of his mother and grandmother - the previous owner of the land, Jean Galibert, buried his wife and grandmother there in a grave and not in a tomb, and the remains were later transferred to a cemetery in the town of Limoux when the property was sold to Emily Rivares and her son Louis Lawrence." Can you leave the true facts as they are, please? Paul Smith
Priory of Sion article - do you know how to understand things?Do you understand that in 1903 all that existed at Les Pontils opposite the farmhouse was a GRAVE that contained the dead bodies of Louis Galibert's wife and mother? Do you understand that in 1933 the tomb REPLACED THE GRAVE when the dead bodies of Louis Lawrence's mother and grandmother were interred into it? There was no tomb there before 1933 - and that there is a difference between a tomb and a grave? Do you know that there is a difference between a tomb and a grave? Email me at wfgh58@yahoo.co.uk as to why you automatically delete any information I put on the Priory of Sion article. Paul Smith
Paul Smith The link to the Maknap website relating to the Galibert history is a waste of time because it is WRONG. The Galiberts dug a GRAVE and not a TOMB in 1903. Maknap makes it clear that he is referring to a TOMB MADE FROM STONE and not to a dug grave when he refers to "The famous tomb" - why should a dug grave be "famous"? Maknap has made the mistake of assuming that the Galiberts constructed the Tomb in 1903, when in fact it was Louis Lawrence who constructed it in 1933. Adrien Bourrel, the second son of Louis Lawrence, gave his testimony as witnessing the tomb's construction in 1933 to French authors Franck Marie (1974) and Pierre Jarnac (1985). Don't you want to take any notice of this, Paul Barlow? Are you going to continue ignoring the facts by referencing the bogus article by Maknap (Mark Naples) on Wikipedia? Paul Smith.
John Baker, PhD (abd)Hello, respected Shakespeare editor. Please keep an eye on John Baker's edits if possible; he's an eccentric Marlovian theorist who fills Elizabethan pages with contentious and badly-formatted material. I'm Wikiholiday and won't be able to keep up with him... The Singing Badger 09:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC) Ben-JochannanI agree with you on the point that he was an Afrocentrist. However you cannot just write off the historical evidence and proof that exists in the book when you do the research. Please look through the books in his bibliography and research those as well and also the other information he has gleaned from outher sources. The truth about Moors is that there was no separation as to distinction in race. Under the yolk of Islam this was not taught. The site before Mustafa edited it seemed to be NPOV. I think it is best to not bring race into the equation at this point since it is a much later definition. Stanley Lane-Poole from the british museum also backed up thes same historic points in his various books and through his bibliographies and he definitely wasn't an Afrocentrist neither was J.A. Rogers. Please let's try to keep this article focused on the many groups that made up the Moors as we know this to be true. When a person adopts a culture and religion it makes them part of that group. When the Arabs brought Islam to Africa it first began in Ethiopia and then swept across the northern continent. They weren't called black Moors as Mustafa wants to label them. In addition Moors didn't stay in one area as they were nomadic as I am sure you know as well and they were found South of the Sahara as well. If a person chooses to convert to judaism he is a jewish person. Not a black jew. We should strive to keep articles such as this removed from racial POVs. Leave me a note on my page please Paul, I'm interested in knowing your thoughts. Thanks.--Gnosis 15:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC) Thomas Jefferson...This was the opening line on his religious views:
Most is not all. Historians and biographers are not sure what his religious views are and in his info box unitarinism and deism are listed. To say he was a diest as fact is in clear contradiction to other statements. 71.131.238.194 00:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
A consensus is not fact and the consensus among scholars and historians is that nobody is 100 percent sure what his religious beliefs were, but the majority believe that he was either a unitarian or diest. This is stated in the religious views section and I didn't remove that. I only removed the use of the term diest when it was stated as fact. If you have a verifiable source of him saying that he is a diest feel free to add it but untill then it is in violation of wiki NPOV policy to say he was undoubtedly a diest (which is in clear contradiction to the opening line of religious views). 71.131.238.194 01:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC) Black Supremacy...I removed the term "racialist" because it is a POV term and matter of controversy. I tried to fix the problem by just deleting both terms altogether and letting the reader make up their own mind. Many people think the black supremacy is racist, some people think it is racialist, and others have a mixed opinion. I think the best solution is to remove all terms and so the reader can go over the article and make up their own mind at the end as wikipedia NPOV policy would instruct us to do. Both terms should have never been mentioned in the first place. 71.131.238.194 01:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Re Jefferson +SupremacyIt is undeniably "racialist" because any ideology that states that there is differentiation of races based on innate characteristics is racialism. That's what the word means. Paul B 01:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
71.131.238.194 02:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC) Queen Mab speechhttp://www.rsc.org.uk/romeo/learning/mab.html credentialsPlease provide some information on what your credentials are when you take liberties to edit sensitive topics in Hinduism. Have you mastered Sanskrit,understood any of the deeper meanings in Hinduism or are you one of those ignorant Christian guys who thinks of India as a country of cows and snakes? Also provide information on how many times you have been to India and what first hand experience you have had in the matter.
Wallace Fard MuhammadHey Paul! Thanks for the note. It's all taken from the FBI file. Informations about their marriage are on page 5 (p.5) and Hazel's comment about divorcing Wallace because he was "temperamental" is on page 74 (p.74). I just added some more informations about his rise to power, would be great if you could NPOV/POV-review it. Thanks! CoYep 15:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Neo-Nazi Reference RequestI put in the reference for the Neo-Nazi paragraph in the "Aryan Race" article as you requested. The Black Sun, published in 2002, is the standard text about and has the most information on Neo-Nazis. Best wishes, Keraunos "Lost" Archive at "Theatre Talk"Paul, I just wanted let you know I left you a reply to your question at "Theatre Talk." W.C. 18:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC) Debate and Research Regarding Racial AncestryPaul, I'm not sure as to your claim. Please clarify as to your statement of this being untrue. Here is a copy of the Definition from Webster's below. Pronunciation: 'mur Function: noun Etymology: Middle English More, from Anglo-French, from Latin Maurus inhabitant of Mauretania 1 : one of the Arab and Berber conquerors of Spain 2 : BERBER In addition if I'm not mistaken this section is regarding the debate and research regarding ancestry. So with this respect, this is a debate that does exist. Initially I had agreed with you, but upon further thought. It actually does make sense because of the title of the section for this to be included. Your statement about this being untrue may or may not be appropriate in regards to this particular section. However calling it gibberish is definitely a personal matter of opinion and clearly a POV of yours. Whether I agree or disagree with you is irrelevant. Only because this is and has been a debate on this subject of racial ancestry of Moors. The section is clearly titled "Debate and Research Regarding Racial Ancestry". I feel it is safe to assume that you as I do would not like to associate Moors with one particular race either white or black. Nor was this the purpose of this addition. The purpose was to detail the current debate of this topic and specific views from research.--Gnosis 16:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC) MoorsThanks Paul, I will review the edit to the article and make the necessary changes if you haven't done so. I appreciate your promptness in getting back with me.--Gnosis 13:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC) OxfordianismDear Mr. Barlow, As a source of this claim of Mr. Streitz, who is a political theorist and writer, I have only seen him make the argument in his review pages at Amazon.com. A link might be provided to these reviews. They are informal reviews written by customers. I do not consider Mr. Streitz to be an able literary theorist, though I am interested in his theory about Oxford's death. Oxfordianism must come to terms with Freudianism, either by alligning itself with Freud or by breaking with his view to form a new theory of biography and sexual trauma. The Wikipedia article is a helpful venue but the question remains whether there is room in this tiny section to discuss such controversies as the incestuous sexual life of Elizabeth the first and Henry VIII and the treatment of these things in the plays of Shakespeare. Second, it would have to be recognized that the plays present a salutary philosophy such as that of Epicurus or Buddhism. Such a view of Shakespeare if properly conceived would be nothing short of a revolution in academe and theory in general. Yours, Chris Gontar Black peopleI need help at black people. I am not capable of edit warring against several sock puppets. Whatever consensus we reach in the talk page does not matter if it does not show in the article. We cannot all give in to the nonsense. --Ezeu 20:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
You have certainly caught my attention Paul, one of the few times that someone I oppose truely has earned my respect. You are articulate and concise. However you are flat out misleading people about my position. Don't take my ability to read between the lines as a knee jerk cry of a conspiracy. --Zaphnathpaaneah 07:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC) Link question on HitlerI switched the Mein Kampf link you added to a non-Neo-Nazi site. However, I note that the chapter you cite is v.2 c. 3, but the link is to v. 2. c. 5. Which is it? Bytwerk 03:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Your point regarding Sickert's use of paint is well taken. Perhaps better for me to say that both Sickert and Freud are idiosyncratic enough that imitation seems unlikely--finally, the use of "adapted" is spot on. JNW--JNW 04:04, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Thank you. I am brand new to this, and have just started reading and editing entries for artists. I surely do not always follow protocol, but I am cleaning up some unfortunate prose devoted to great painters, and adding a little basic information as I go. A number of these entries read like junior high essays, replete with jumbled data, thinly disguised copy straight from other sources, and little or now overview of the context. Aaaggghhh. Best regards, JNW--JNW 12:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC) WINI've got a request for admin assistance against WIN up here. Please do come and express support so I don't look all alone. CRCulver 14:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC) ThanksThanks for the welcome. I was just now checking the Vedas page. Hoo boy is that messed up, right from the get-go. Several paragraphs are well beyond opinion and are simply propaganda. That'll take a lot of time and will surely lead to a great deal of angst for some. Considering they really are among the most important text in the history of the world, it really deserves much better.--Almijisti 06:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC) Zoroastrianism"The quotation IS a citation", yes, but, and I may be off on the policy of how things go, what I'm asking is if it can be verified as a core belief. For example, the first commandment: "I am the LORD your God... Thou shalt have no other gods before Me..." Rarely do christian dispute this, and it is hard to call yourself a "true believer" or part of the "mainline" community if you say otherwise. Versus the fourth commandment: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work." Many christians argue back and forth on the importance of this. "For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says." 1 Corinthians 14:33-39. I can quote this, chapter and verse, but it does not mean that most Christians believe it, even though Paul, endower of docrtines, said so. I wonder, out of genuine curiosity and from a former religious background, whether that verse that is in there means what it says, and if there is a way to back it up. -Bordello 01:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Goa InquisitionIf you want to add the TRUE aim of the Inquisition I'm all for it. But the record of brutality has got to remain on the page. The facts are POV against the Portugese (no one can defend their actions). But we would welcome your help on the article.Bakaman%% 15:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Interesting additions to Dido Elizabeth Belle - Skysmith 18:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC) thanks IndophobiaPaul, you wrote you will check in Trautmann for Indophobia passages. In the meanwhile, please take a look here. [6] Of course the discussion about it maybe rather belongs on the Indophobia article. Cheers. --RF 11:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Source for picturesI wanted to tell you that there is an international wiki archive for pictures and I contribute further pictures to this archive. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page I ahve seen you are interested in adding appropriate pictures to wikipedia, so I recommend it to you. Greetings Wandalstouring 21:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC) Alfred RosenbergIsnt this nazi high ranking official a Jew? Rosenberg sure sounds like a jewish name... and why isnt this mentioned in his wikipedia... article?
Thanks for your championship of Olmec Paul, I just wanted to drop by and say that I have long enjoyed your steadfast support of the Olmec article. I have therefore awarded you the Ray of Sunshine Award. I quote:
This template is rather poorly worded IMHO, but I'm sure you get the message. Keep up the good work, Paul. Appreciatively yours, Madman 14:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC) OITI'm so used to seeing the garbage AIT I had a lapse of judgement on the OIT page. Thanks for reverting my edits.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Fair use rationale for Image:Mountainadolf.JPGThanks for uploading Image:Mountainadolf.JPG. The image description page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 00:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC) Why can't we say it is because of prevailing racists attitudes...that Jesus depicted as a black man still causes an uproar? I think you are whitewashing the situation. Jesus was very, very likely not a white man, yet no one seems to blink when he is depicted as such. Same with the Egyptians, Hannibal, St. Maurice and any number of historical figures who have been appropriated as and by white people. So I aask you if it is not because of prevailing racist attitudes, wherein lies the source of the uproar? D.R.
Mona Lisa - Plucked Shaved and BraidedPaul, On June 17, 2006 there is a note entry to the article on Mona Lisa, referencing a book I have been trying to get ahold of since 2003 (buy, borrow, pay for a copy of the bibliography). The book is called "Plucked Shaved and Braided" by Daniela Turudich, Streamline Press...and I won't bore you with the various publication dates that I have found on the internet. I do find a common ISBN #193006408X. I put in a general humanities request back on Aug 18th asking for the person who added this reference to please let me know how they obtained a copy of the book or know if it was truly published or just cited by someone who read a blurb about what the book is supposed to contain (I say this because I have followed other leads of this nature only to discover people are referencing the book site unseen). The responses I got sent me back thru all the research I had already done, with the exception of one thing. Someone suggested I go thru the history of the Mona Lisa article and try to pin point who had added Note 9 that references the book and see how they got a copy. What is it that drives me to look for this book? I teach classes on Medieval Hairstyles and specifically have been trying to answer some questions about Italian Renassiance Hair taping. I have found one article online about the topic, which uses no bibliography. http://www.mfgraffix.com/hird/faoilt/hairtape.html I have further found several books in the library on the history of hair, but the information is limited and less scholarly than perhaps theatrical. I am trying to discover a historically accurate recreation. This book is the closest description I have seen of what I am looking for, and if it is not totally helpful I had hoped to use its bibliography to dive deeper into my research. Needless to say I have had no luck so I am hoping that it was you who entered the name of the book into the Notes and may therefore have a way of tracking down a copy of the book. I have a friend who is a reasearch librarian and she was not able to locate a copy of the book for me. If you know where I can buy a copy, borrow a copy or pay for the bibliography to be mailed to me, I would greatly appreciate your help. Kindest Regards, Michelle Wiseman Portland, OR
OlmecHi, I ask an arbitration about French School. Can you give me your opinion. Thanks again. Olmeque 22:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC) Taj NPOV tagThanks for removing...--Nemonoman 02:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC) QuestionI am trembling as I type this but my curiosity wins out over, so: "What is the Billy-Goat Bite Theory"? Str1977 (smile back) 08:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the information. Str1977 (smile back) 11:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC) Priory of SionInsert non-formatted text here Guess what, Paul Barlow, your Priory of Sion article is getting worse and worse - first you cite material from a website run by Mark Naples who cannot tell the difference between historical fact and pseudo-history --- and muddles the two together without citing his sources. NOW - NOW - you are making BASIC MISTAKES in the article which you WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO RECTIFY. IT IS A MISTAKE THAT PIERRE PLANTARD'S NAME IS INCLUDED IN THE DOSSIERS SECRETS LIST OF GRAND MASTERS - THE LAST NAME ON THAT LIST IS THAT OF JEAN COCTEAU. AND THIS, THIS STATEMENT WITH REGARD TO THE LATER GRAND MASTERS LIST "Although Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair is on this list, young Thomas was ignorant that his name had been used in such a manner." --- IS SIMPLY LAUGHABLE BECAUSE THOMAS PLANTARD TOOK OVER THE RUNNING OF THE SCAM BETWEEN 1991-1993 --- HE WAS THE EDITOR OF THE RE-VAMPED "Vaincre" DURING THE YEARS IN QUESTION. MUDDLES. MISTAKES. ERRORS. THESE ELEMENTS ARE BLOOMING AND FLOWERING IN THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICE ON THE PRIORY OF SION. AND CALLING A GRAVE A "TOMB" IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BASE THINGS ON FRENCH IS A JOKE. THAT SUMS EVERYTHING UP. WHAT A SHODDY SHAMBLES. PAUL SMITH How rulers of India that opposed Brahmanism became UntouchablesHi Paul, I read your articles on the 'Ashvamedha' and your struggle to establish what is written in ancient literature. The Indian society had thousands of tribes with differing culture. Marriage was done in so many different ways, the idea of Family and its sanctitiy the type of sexual acts varied. Similarly the details of Ashvamedha could have been done in different ways. One of the way certainly would have involved the insertion of the Sacrificail Horse's Penies into the Vagina of the Kings chief Queen. The Brahmins destorted History to thier advantage and hid true facts of History by numerous stories and by modifying / inserting origianl texts with stories that helped Brahmanism and the Caste system that they devised for thier superamacy and survival after the collapse of Buddhism. Unfortunately every Westerner and most Indians today believe that Caste system existed in India since the origin of Civilization in India. Though true facts come out now, the Brahmins take extreme measures to prevent the truth from coming out as this will destroy their current supremacy. The truth about Castesim in India is it started in India after the collapse of Buddhism after the 1st Century B.C. The Kings and his Kinsmen that opposed Brahmanism were cleverly ex-communicated when they were defeated in war by Kings that support Brahmanism and over a period of time made as 'Untouchables" To hide this fact Brahmins always give antique age to Sanskrit, Claim Vedas were given by God, and Castesim was given by God and so forth. If you are interested more on this topic please review the articles in the web page http://www.Mallar.org under New&Links The origin of Brahmanism, Caste and Riddles in Hinduism Who are the Paraiyars Who are the Brahmins and who are the Aryans Best Wishes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MariS mallar (talk • contribs) .
Priory of Sion Spam and ScamAnd guess what Paul Barlow --- EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PRIORY OF SION is a SCAM AND SPAM --- there is NO "middle ground objective approach" whereby "negative" and "positive" can be "distilled together to form a coherent impression" that produces something that can be described as being "legitimately interesting" --- this is a Paul Barlow/LoreMaster false quest that emanates from sheer ignorance. The impression by Paul Barlow and LoreMaster is that anyone who calls the PoS BS being the "work of a fanatic". Plantard was THE maniac and FANATIC who made things up as he went along --- the Priory of Sion had no "legitimacy" outside of Plantard's poor imagination. It was pure hokum and absolutely nothing else. Why include things about the "legitimacy of the Priory of Sion" on Wikipedia? What on Eath is that all about??? WHAT WAS THE "LEGITIMACY" OF THE PRIORY OF SION??? And there they are --- Paul Barlow and LoreMaster trying to turn the Plantard fantasies into something legitimate. I have just read the latest rubbbish in the Philippe de Cherisey article and find myself wondering === WHERE ON EARTH DID ALL THAT COME FROM AND WHERE ARE THE REFERENCES TO IT ALL??? It seems that any old stranger to Wikipedia can come along and make any allegation and it simply gets accepted. No sources are required - just write the allegations and it remains on Wikipedia. In the meantime those who can question and discredit these latest allegations without substance remain gagged.
Gosh,what a nice talk page you've got! Looking up the user who I'm arguing with, I've seen the barnstar by Sundar and thought about asking you, to have an eye on the caste wars, only to see on the talk page, that you're already involved... --Pjacobi 12:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC) Thank you for the BarnstarPaul, thank you so very much for the Barnstar. It comes at a great time, because I have been getting worn down a bit: I really just want to add and improve content but lately I've found myself spending great gobs of time just keeping the good articles at at a "good" level. I guess the Second law of thermodynamics applies here in Wikipedia-land as well. So, bless you, Paul. Your timing is impeccable. Gratefully yours, Madman 00:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC) See...Veer Savarkar and Hindu nationalism; the purported "atheistic" Hindus are not surprisingly rabid nationalists. Of course, atheism has been a historic viewpoint in Hindu philosophy but is that worth mentioning in the intro? Babub→Talk 13:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC) HagarismWhy did you revert my changes , while saying that you are fixing the style?--CltFn 12:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC) Then restore to my version before your edits , then redo you style fixes, because otherwise I will wind up in a 3RR.--CltFn 12:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC) I suggest you do not restore CltFn's change. BhaiSaab talk 13:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC) Mona LisaHello, you seem to be quite well informed of this painting, as well as many other Wikipedia articles, after seeing your posts on many of others' inputs. I was just curious to know, if it was unusual at all for married women to not wear their bands, or rings. I never gave it much thought, and I'm sure it's been gone over before, but I was just curious, and had to ask. -James Murphy Nasty attitudePlease see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Regarding you calling me a "nitwit". [10]. Can't find a source other than the extremist FOSA can you?Bakaman Bakatalk 01:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I have no problem debating an issue with you if you bring a reasoned argument to the forum. However, abusive comments (see Wikipedia:No personal attacks) such as "the preposterous narcissism you display" [11] appear to be the currency with which you conduct transactions here as the evidence above shows. Puzzle Master 21:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC) My Akhenaten postDear Paul B, Osman has his own speculative ideas but the problem is that even in the crowd of minority ideas concerning Akhenaten. Osman's ideas are completely his own! Other controversial writers like David Rohl had some scholarly training when he wrote his book--'A Test of Time' but Osman has no academic training. Rohl and Velikovsky had their own suppporters but Osman has none really except Thereamalikee. Have you seen the discussion on Osman which I posted here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ancient_Egypt#Ahmed_Osman Thereamalikee has been put on notice by other Wikipedia moderators not to push his own POV's on others. By the Way, my Akhenaten post attempts to bring some sense and structure on Yuya's identity and on the Akhenaten article as you requested. Regards, Leoboudv 10:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Hello! Please see the last change on this page. Semitic peoplesI think you misunderstood my edit here. I was saying that the Kingdom of Judah and the Jews are descended from the early Iron Age Hebrews. Just as I have
meaning, part of the ancient Arameans evolve into the Syriacs, I had
meaning, "part of the Hebrews evolve into the Kingom of Judah, and the remnants of that kingdom became the Jews of Late Antiquity. Seeing your edit summary
(which is of course not what I intended to state) it appears I haven't phrased this well. Maybe you can think of a better wording. dab (ᛏ) 16:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC) BarryIsPuzzledHi Paul, I've decided to go on a long WikiBreak for work reasons but thanks for raising the Barry issue- I agree that his behaviour is becoming unacceptable after a period of relative decency and he certainly needs a warning; I won't be able to help out for a while, however. Thanks again, TSB The Singing Badger 16:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC) Error on Akhenaten postI realized my error minutes after making the edit, and I could have sworn that I recorrected it. Sorry and thanks. -- NGC6254 21:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC) GamalielAs it states in the very first paragraph of WP:V, all unsourced statements can be removed. You should not have reverted my edit here without discussion or, at the very least, an explanation in your edit summary. There is no cite for that statement, and it is inherently POV. Kafziel Talk 21:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Agreed Title - Indian Rebellion of 1857I changed the title from Indian Mutiny to Indian Rebellion/War of Independence. Indian Rebellion is NOT the agreed title. There is a debate. Atleast, please don't revert it to the Mutiny. Thanks. Sorry, about not signing. Yes, I agree - you are correct about the Rebellion title. I thought you just wanted to change it back to Mutiny - my bad. (Jvalant 18:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)) MoorsComments such as the unsigned statements above indicate why it is imperative to discuss the range of meanings here. AFAIK, the standard Greek word for black/dark is "melas", and the standard Latin one is "niger". "Mauro" does appear in late Greek to mean dark, and may have derived its meaning from the perceived darker complexion of North Africans, along with other post-Classical European uses of 'Moor' - or it may not have done. But the fact is that the etymology of Mauri is not known for certain. Some sources I've seen suggest a Semitic term for 'Westerner' as the source. We should articulate these issues in the main text. It's also the case that there are also many cases in which terms meaning black or dark have been applied to people whose complexions were only very relatively darker. Medieval illuminations are not good evidence of anything concerning race, but in any case, you miss the point. This is not about trying to prove that North Africans were black or were white. Yes, there are, mainly US-based, Afrocentrists who do try to prove the former, and there are others who react strongly against the claim for various reasons (both sensible and not-so commendable). But the question is whether we should discuss full range of the meanings and history of the word Moor here, which would allow for these debates to be made more meaningful and more richly explored by being put under one heading. It would also, I hope, help to avoid neutrality disputes. And it wasn't just in English that Moor meant 'dark skinned'. It did so elsewhere in Renaissance Europe too. It was tied to negative colour symbolism and theories about Hamitic descent. Paul B 10:13, 11 July 2005 (UTC) I agree with these two statements by you Paul. Semetic is surely accurate in my opinion because many Jews converted to Islam and vice versus in order to marry under the laws. I think you and I have been arguing the same point from the beginning. It is impossible and unrealistic to label the Moors as one group inaddition to saying they were only froma certain area. As evidence proves there were nomads of all different types during this time. However the term to say, referred to darker skinned individuals. I don't think the artical should be focused on race instead I think it should show how a collective group of individuals from different backgrounds came together under the islam. For any number of reasons. It is somewhat of a shame that we can do this today. Regardless I think this approach will be more effective and less offensive to others. Although there will be those whom argue that the leaders were white opposed to black or vice versa. What are your thought?--Gnosis 17:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Barnstar
RiberaHi, I notice you changed the title of the article from Guiseppe to Jose some time ago. That was I suppose progress but it should clearly be Jusepe de Ribera, for the reasons I give on the talk page there. I have largely rewritten the article but can't see how to rename it. Any chance you could do this? I put a request on the talk page some days ago, but no one has done it yet. Thanks if you can Johnbod 19:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC) Mediterranean race vandalismJust because you are white gives you no right to delete material which you deem "irrelevant" for another person's race.
HindooTo be honest I cribbed almost all of what I wrote from lecture notes I took in an architecture class, and sometimes it was referred to as "Hindoo Gothick." And in looking for some reference I discovered I may have plagerized a little... going to have to fix that... Anyhoo, a quick check on "Oxford Reference Online" lists an entry from the Dictionary of Architecture and Landscape Architecture on "Hindoo." And it's pretty much verbatim what I wrote. Any advise on what else I can do?--Jhlynes 17:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC) Update: I just checked what the wikientry says and it's not plagerized, so I needn't have worried on that front.--Jhlynes 17:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC) Sorry about lewisHe's a bit violent, and he didnt react well to you saying that he supports the Nazi's — although he does i think, but just tolerate him Japheththis is not vandalism, it is historical writings, if you don't believe me visit the website i have listed... The Table of Nations --CSArebel-- Race of JesusPaul Barlow, you are acting very childish, this is one account of the race of Jesus, don't edit it for your own racist wishes. I'm sorry you hate White People, but that is know reason to take it out on Jesus. There is know where that says "Acta Pilati" is fake. If you know a website please post it, back yourself up with facts. --CSArebel-- that's not proof, stop deleting it, just because YOU don't think it is credable, I don't think the interpitation of the book of revalation is accurate but i'm not deleting that. --CSArebel--
[Thoughtless and stupid comment removed by the author.]"[Thoughtless and stupid comment removed by the author.]", --- Skapur 16:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC) Martial raceThank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. - Furthermore, please do not removed referenced material from wiki articles as you did on the Martial Race article in this diff its considered vandalism, you're welcome to improve the article. thanks. --StreetScholar 17:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Anti-Hindu rubbish on talk page of Hinduism?Abecedare is trying to retain anti-Hindu mischievous links on talk page of Hinduism and cite vague Wikipedia policy. A subversive way to have rascality in Hinduism. Pl. give your view to remove entire discussion, if we have to retain those mischievous links on talk page just to retain the discussion. swadhyayee 01:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Nazi racial politicsIt is generally known that Serbs were persecuted by the nazis, see Jasenovac and [[Independent State of Croatia ]]. Bosoni
I totally agree with you, but I'm not that well-known with the subject to be making such major contributions. Bosoni ThanksThanks poul for the award. I really did not mean to vandalize your work but it was a mare effort to correct some vital information about Islam (Since Islam terribly miss understood). But I do apolagize if i have cause you trouble. I miss uderstood your writting since i have never heard of so called "Nation Of Islam" before, well if any muslim look at the name of this organisation he/she would think first that it means "The Entire Muslim World". Later on I found out that "NOI" is an organisation and a CULT. I was really shocked when I read your article about Prophet Yaqub/Jacob(Peace be upon him) being an evil scientist. In The Holy Quran Allah talks about him. he is our Prophet, an ideal,honorable and respectable person for the mankind. Please check the following link. This link talks about prophet Yaqub/Jacob(pbuh) according to true Islam. http://anwary-islam.com/prophet-story/yaqub.htm Thank You Your edits to: Nazi ArcheologyThank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Your edits to Nazi Archeology are disgustingly useful. These edits may be construed as actual contributions and thus may get you barnstarred, so please be careful. :P More seriously, working on Nazi Archeology from a bunch of conflicting texts is very confusing for me, since I'm hardly a specialist in that kind of thing. Weltanschauungswissenschaften seemed to be presented as a theory so I called it that. Any further help you can give would be very appreciated. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 01:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC) dear paulfor educational purposes and to avoid confusion a brief explanation and background of the word antisemitism is needed as it is already mentioned and also to keep the objectivity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.96.234.178 (talk) 09:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC). Question for PaulPaul, a while ago you spoke to me about some of my proposed changes to the baltic collaborators section of the holocaust article. Specifically you told me to speak to 'Goodoldpolonius2' about it, but he appears to be taking a wiki-break. I am only in the Baltics for another 3 weeks, from then on it will be hard to reference all cited work. I am new around here and wondered what other course of action I can take? I don't feel comfortable editing something as important as the Holocaust article.Disco 10:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Black peopleI hope that if we can direct the energy into working on a suite of articles, and leave 2 or 3 as general articles, that we can get back to productivity. It makes me cringe when I think of how much material was lost and how many editors gave up in disgust and how much time and energy was wasted. If some reasonable approximate set of different articles can be defined, then these people who want to fight about assorted differences of opinion can be directed to the appropriate article for their efforts.--Filll 19:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Mediation caseNow that I have skimmed the Mediation case (Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-08-08 Black people) I see that we have a much bigger problem than I realized. Editingoprah and his or her sock puppets have been causing problems for a long long time. I think that if Editingoprah/Kobrakid/Timelist etc does not want to adopt their own article to edit and leave this one alone, we should get them barred from this article. It is clear that they have had some sort of crazy irrational agenda for many months that no one else agrees with. I am sorry to sound so harsh but that is what it looks like to me. I should have realized this sooner.--Filll 14:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Extent of ProblemSuspected Sockpuppets of Editingoprah:
Take a look at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Editingoprah.M This is one person who has been harassing other users here for months and months and ignoring mediation attempts. We have a problem.--Filll 16:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Thanks! Paul BarlowI appreciate very much your work on The Jewish Peril - resizing the image of the COVER!
I quote from your User (Home) page: . . . articles about the history of racial theories, religious ideologies and – especially – any stuff that combines the two . . .. You should like my article on the 1905 by Serge Nilus involving the Antichrist, and containing - as chapter 12 - the Protocols of Zion. I find it SURPRISING that no one has TRANSLATED and PUBLISHED this book into ENGLISH in its complete form — all of the FOUR HUNDRED SEVENTEEN (419) PAGES!!! My dream is to see it done one day! I would LOVE to get to understand the mind-set of this Serge Nilus!!!--Ludvikus 17:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC) You've done a great job of cropping the image at Velikoe v malom.
Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can
Miklós HorthyHi Phil, thanks for your cleanup at Miklós Horthy. Could you please take a look at my note on the article's talk page to check if there is a precise translation for the particular expression mentioned there? Thanks, KissL 09:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC) PN OakThe content that I added is valid and factual information. If you think that the language is not compliant with the WiKi standard, edit the language and presentation. Do not delete the content because the information is backed with links and books written by people. They ALL are valid contents based on their research and reason!!Bheeshma 16:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC) About WINI got your message. I see what you mean, I just wanted to attempt to convince him to compromise by being very respectful towards him. But the change I'd like to see is still an issue. Would it be right for me to make a change based on the fact that I set forth points and he responded with irrelevant babble about Arkaim? I am not sure what his anticipated revert would classify as, but I think that based upon our discussion and his inability to address my main points, they could classify as unproductive edits or vandalism, and hence I could give a warning. What's involved in giving a warning? Thanks for any help you can offer. The Behnam 19:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Please give your feedbackYou seem to be familiar with Thulean/Lucas19's history. As such, I'd like it if you could give feedback on this issue [Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Psychohistorian]. Thanks. -Psychohistorian 17:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
articleYes, I thought so too. I have removed the section about OIT from the Aryan race article. Regards, --RF 13:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Mediation -- Adolf HitlerYou have been named as a respondent in a mediation case, Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-18 Hitler. Do you have an interest in participating in this voluntary, informal mediation? If yes, please click the link, state that you wish to proceed and sign your name in the discussion section. Alan.ca 06:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC) The Patriotic Publishing Co.Hello, Mr. 2-Barnstars, how are you?
OakHi. Isn't removing large section of sourced text "Vandalism" and can popups not be used in that case? Perhaps it is better to contextualize the information in question instead of deleting it outright, no? Rumpelstiltskin223 03:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, You just reverted me in that article and I'm not sure you've actually read the article's talk page. Ludvikus is apparently basing his changes on original research (worse he claims to be the most knowledgeable scholar on the topic here at wikipedia). Though I notice you only replaced forgery with hoax which is reasonable. I hope you will agree that plagiarism is inapropriate to describe the entire text, though it does apply to at least the 1865 pamphlet by Maurice Joly.--Caranorn 13:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Paul Barlow, for your objectivity. I was beginning to loose hope in this part of Wikipedia.
Ludvikus is a very eccentric editor who seems to be obsessed the details of different editions, which he documents on pages devoted to each edition.
Nordic pictureHi, my name is Paula Hofmann and I am interested in the picture you have posted in Nordic theory. Could you tell me where you have found the original picture, or from when this picture is originally? I am looking forward to receiving your answer to paulahofmann@web.de. Thanks in advance and best wishes. Paula Philosophy pageHello. Excuse me dropping in but I picked up some of your comments on the protocols of Zion talk page. There is a spot of trouble on the Philosophy page, due to an individual who obsessively wikifies every word, and who has some very strange theories about the history of philosophy. The trouble is that there are very few editors who know anything about the history of philosophy, and this individual seems to be gaining some converts (equally, a few other editors find him extremely tedious). He has managed to get the article itself locked down, and persists in writing long commentaries on the talk page. I gather you have taught philosophy in the past, and would be very grateful of a reality check. Some times I wonder if it's me who is just going mad. Best Dbuckner 17:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC) Douglas Douglas-Hamilton, 14th Duke of HamiltonThanks for catching my mistake. I thought that I was pasting "British House of Commons|" in. I had just been editing an article on SSM in Spain, and had copied that phrase. I should have checked the edit before saving. Regards, Ground Zero | t 17:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC) Homo floresiensisHi Paul B. I don't know where you are getting alot of this "info" that Homo floresiensis is in fact a new species. First off anything written by Tabitha M. Powledge should be looking at atleast twice. Not a reputable source, in fact a downright distortion of the facts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DietrichMayer (talk • contribs) 19:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC). Assume Good Faith, please.Hey, what's up Paul? I just wanted to bring to your attention this edit summary. I know that was a dumb vandalism, but you musn't make such summaries. It'll probably just provoke that vandal, and he'll do it again. A summary like that won't teach a vandal its lesson. Well, just wanted to tell you, so... have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Cheers! --Tohru Honda13Talk•Sign here 02:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
ThanksCheers for this Paul. [12]. Having spoken to the (now nearly broken) editor who originally expanded this article, I'm proposing mirroring the article and bringing it up to scratch in non-article space. Would you be interested in copyediting? --Joopercoopers 23:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC) reversionRegarding your reversion [13], the website in question is not faking the docs, the Dubois book is real, as is the scanned page, check any public library: http://www.sabha.info/books/HinduManners/UndermineCivilizationPg96.html Rumpelstiltskin223 00:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I saw your claim about the scanned pages. They are scanned pages and clearly show that Aryan Race Theory came from the bible. So you are wrong. Did you even read the pages? Read the pages from William Jones's book. He clearly talks of god's creation and nonsense of that sort. You seem to be a low iq moron who is afraid of ending up in hellfire.
RFCI've slept on the idea and concluded we should file a WP:RFC first to determine whether we need to include the P.N. Oak theories - it can all be sorted out from the off then and we can rewrite the article accordingly. --Joopercoopers 14:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC) YuyaDear Paul Barlow, I just posted G. Maspero's 5 different spellings of Yuya's strange name under my 24.87 log in number. Someone asked me in private if the names could be written in hieroglyphics but I replied that I don't know. Do you know anyone who does? As an Aside, do the names Maspero give here sound remotely Semitic--ie: non Mitannian/Hurrian--to you? The proposal that Yuya was Mitannian is just that--a proposal. In reality, I would imagine if he was a foreigner taht he would be a Semite since Canaan is closer to Egypt than Syria was. I personally have no knowledge of the situation. I just state what Maspero writes. Thank You. Leoboudv 09:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC) RFCHi Paul,
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agreedYes I agree his behavior is quite extraordinary... It's amazing how he sits there and argues his points yet has no desire at mediation when it is brought up. Kennethtennyson 22:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone else then? It would seem that he even signed an "agree" for you.
Not quite, the argument revolves around "one line". Kenny used it as an excuse to confuse things an remove some portions which were mutually agreed upon and crafted by a third party. The one line is selective, misleading and a more elaborate mention of it in the later sections was in order. I actually incorporated Duomlin's content in the article, is it contrary to the consensus of the scholarly literature then? Is the opposition not free to ask for more sources and does DT Suzuki amount to being totally contrary to the consensus of the scholarly literature? I had sources about the influence of dharmic religions from india influencing Zen Buddhism, I opted to keep it out as our Han Chinese friend may not find it all that palatable. Your reply was very cautiously crafted, my friend. It was not accurate though. I uderstand about the way you feel about Indian nationalism, the question is do you feel the same way about Kenny's Chinese nationalism? Freedom skies| talk 11:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Certainly not, but some in the very selective list were.
I hope so as well, my friend. You did not see any Indian nationalism on one article "Zen." The argument revolved around removal of a misleading line in the intro and incorporating it in the later sections of the article purely. The only Indian nationalism you saw was me refraining to mention Hinduism's founding influence when it would have been all too easy to incorporate, just because our Han Chinese friends may not find it all that palatable. Yet you say "What I see is a rather ugly form of extreme Indocentric nationalism that already has disfigured several articles.", a sentence without any substance whatsoever. Anyways, Regards. Freedom skies| talk 12:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Re: AustraloidI haven't by any means read all of your edits, or even read the article lately, but I stopped by the article long enough to note your reasoned edits and combatting of Asian2duracell's obfuscations of fact and edit warring. Your efforts are appreciated. deeceevoice 18:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Gustaf KossinnaThe reason for delinking "Ostmark" is that the Ostmark article is about Austria, while Kossinna's paper is apparently about Poland. Two different uses of the same word. Chl 04:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC) Alfred RosenbergPlease take a look at my post to the Alfred Rosenberg article re: weasel tag and reply. Cordially, Steven J. Anderson 05:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC) carlylehi Paul, It seems that you have reincorporated some of the older version on Carlyle's early writing that I deleted. I do not object to the idea of the movement from Everlasting Nay to Yea, though it is only three chapters of the book and thus does not seem to warrant mention in wikipedia. However, attributing this to the "narrator" is falsely ambiguous, because there is no "narrator" proper to the book: there are two main "narrators" in the book, the editor and teufelsdrockh. Also the cut and paste you did has altered the chronology I was going for -- "emerged" was referring to Carlyle's previous work and struggle with fiction. If there points seem warranted to you than feel free to make changes yourself. Tom Orphaned fair use image (Image:Hamburg painting.jpg)Thanks for uploading Image:Hamburg painting.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy). If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. This is an automated message from BJBot 22:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Fritz Lenz and ex-NazisHello! I've just stumbled upon your article on Fritz Lenz. I'm sure you would be interested, and actually are already doing it, in getting Nazi stuff more coherent, in particular by linking different aspects. Thus, I point out to you the entry ex-Nazis, where I am trying to include at least those Nazis who already have got Wikipedian entries, in order to be able to know the post-war destiny of such persons. It is of course also a page to be watched, as some don't like it that much (recently, Hans Globke, who helped draft the Nuremberg Law, has been deleted twice...). Cheers, and let us remember Serge Klarsfeld's sentence (by memory): "it is only because I, and other Nazi hunters were happy, that we could engage in such a struggle." Tazmaniacs 22:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC) Interested?I understood you are interetsted in eccentric topics! Then you may be by chance interested in Arab women and women in Arab culture (not to be confused with Islamic culture). This article is waiting for a motivated wikipedian to expand it! Sina Kardar 18:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC) The user Geomatician appears to have finally been coerced into saying something on the talk page of this article. You seem knowledgable in the field, and you've mentioned his edits once before, so if you have time do you think you could address his points there? An example diff is [15]. Thanks, Orpheus 13:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC) user:cobenoboExcuse me Paul B, but you can't delete my text. AsianDuracell and Vandh have used abusive comments too! user:cobenoboFirst of all Paul B, you have no right to erase my text for abusive language, because user:AsianDuracell and user:Vandh have also used abusive language too! You just want to erase my stuff because you don't agree with my opinion. What about user:Asian Duracell, he called me a racist bitch. Isn't that abusive, Paul B. Besides, look at what they have said. They have been more abuseful than me. And Anyway, you don't own wikipedia. If you erase my text again, I will erase the text of Vandh and Asian Duracell, because they have been very abuseful in their language too! And Don't even try to act like you don't know what user:AsianDuracell and user:Vandh have been saying! Otherwise, I will talk to the owners of Wikipedia and let them know that you are being BIASED in the Discussions in Wikipedia articles. You can't erase my text, saying that it has abusive language, without erasing the text of user:Asian Duracell and user:Vandh. Because those two have been using racist remarks and very abuseful language. It's time that you stop being biased and realize what is going on. Is cussing okay, because user:Vandh and user:Asian Duracell have used words like shit, and bitch, and bullshit, and slave!! --Bcr 09:12, 17 February 2007 Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Australoid" farrakhanThe debate is about Farrakhan not about his support for Jackson, what does that have to do with anti-semitic content? please discuss and see my reasons on the talk page. and avoid a revert war. --HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 16:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
U dont even have an argument, how easy is it to say that. It is a blank cheque remark. Jackson is jackson, you have no source to show a link, a happened then b. I think i came across you before i will look in the history --HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 09:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC) Where is the source for the connection, very simple, editors cannot make connections or join dots in the sand. Where is the newspaper saying there is a blatent connection. If you knew anything about Farrakhan you would know opposition to Zionism is as old as the movement.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 09:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC) Race of William BlakeWhy do you avoid any reference to The Sons of William Blake in each and every sub-directy dealing the race theories and yaheeewoistic ethnographies? Surely, they and they alone populated the mountains of The West before the migration of the Yantanii Peoples Of The Third Shadow. These latecomers forced the Blakean brethren from their plain dwellings and replaced them with temples dedicated to the Moral Law and the Blood of Mercy. Such inscriptions were found in tablets unearthed in the the major archaeological digs undertaken by Prof Jove in the early 1890s, a moment of critical crisis in Western self-imaging. I could go on like this forever, but when will you realise that Blake's men (there were no women as such in those days), were self-unified cloudy clay-forms beyond all polarities of black and white, and that their holy greyness was expunged by the evil scientist Tonnew when, on the Cheviot Highlands, he made a race of breadpaste men to tussle eternal with the accumulated particulars of colour-weaved men. This division, like a cistern of brokeness, means that all watery bodies must weep in their difference until the sorrowness of Urizen fill immensity. I think this explains everything from Alfred Elmore's use of post-appositional compositional motifs to Richard Wagner's secret love of Nietzschean 'regions. May I add that Prof Von Wagner's very early first cabaret performance 'The Little Fairies'--- although he wasn't made into a Professor of Vonness until later in life, and so strictly speaking I should resist this glorious appellation in one so young and babylike --- was a pale-to-paste-like echo of a story about WB translated into German by a midgit admirer of Allan Cunningham, the secret Master of the Yantanii, the the source of all woe and weeping in Blakeland.
Thank you for reverting Smith2006's edit. I am trying to find a compromise position and spur discussion, and I sincerely appreciate your support in that endeavour. Thank you again. Vassyana 09:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC) Bombay PAGHi, I've seen the edit conflict. Since I'm not any kind of expert, please feel free to get on and expand. This was an offshoot from my connection with Wikipedia:Notability (artists). --Mereda 14:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC) Race of Giant CattermolesJohn, Paul, George and Dingo (bit of a mistake, I guess) Cattermole were monster masters or magi whose sublime machicolations were noted by The Sons of Moses, a mighty and mystical Brotherhood devoted to illuminating the machinery of death located in the region between Monmouth Street and Fountain Court. Many of these Sons were Brothers, including (and in no particular order) Leonardo, Raphael, Mickyangelo and Tadpole Cattermole. All of these --- including Tadpole, it seems --- were followers of Herbert Spencer; this took the form of reading his footnotes for signs of friction-free force theory: the idea that the world comes into being as a non-vibrating form spectrum pulsed by light-beams emanating from India --- or Paris. Although such ideas were somewhat eccentric --- Spencer called the Brothers anarcho-spiritual sprites (some commentators have seen this as evidence that Spencer thought the Cattermoles [in the form of Tadpole] were in fact the 'real'mini-sized Brothers --- they gained credence among the remnants of the Fifth Solar Men, some of whom called Spencer 'the Spiritus', seeing in his comments on mechanics and physics evidence that he was the reincarnation of Osiris --- or Richard Dadd's machicolatory Fairy-Feller. Your Mediation Cabal case
Howdy, Paul Barlow. Re the discussion at Talk:Priory of Sion: I see from your user page that your "main interests here are in the history of scholarly theories in religion, literature and ethnology." Therefore I'm assuming that you're pretty familar with issues of citation, verifiability, and reliable sources, and that you and I are basically on the same side of this issue. Have a good one. -- 201.51.231.176 18:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC) Nordic theoryOK Paul let us try to work this out: This is my contribution: Nazi Nordicism and the inferiority complex The Nordic Myth has often been attributed to the reaction to an inferiority complex. Phillip Wayne Powell, in his book, Tree of Hate (1985), claimed that the Nordic Myth began to arise in 15th century Germany, when Germans resented the fact that Italians looked down on them as an inferior and unsophisticated people. In page 48, he states: "In the fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries, a powerful surge of German patriotism was stimulated by the distain of Italians for German cultural inferiority and barbarism, which lead to a counterattempt by German humanists to laud German qualities." Fodor, M. W. claimed in "The nation" (1936): "No race has suffered so much from an inferiority complex as has the German. National Socialism was a kind of Coué method of converting the inferiority complex, at least temporarily, into a feeling of superiority".[1] In fact I can move it to the start, see the article. Why are you deleting Phillip Wayne? to start with. Veritas et Severitas 00:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC) I left you further messages in the discussion page. Veritas et Severitas 00:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC) comments"No one would choose to call themselves black on their own, as it's the color of the devil, the color of evil, the color of death. All the great religions have said this. Why do you think Afrocentrics are always trying to push that the East Indians, the tamils, the Australian aboriginals were black. They feel it's unfair that they got stuck with the black label and are pissed that other dark people escaped it." You mean these comments do not strike you as offensive. I disagree with your assessment Paul. These comments are blatantly offensive. Imagine if someone said this on live tv, they would be censored or severely criticized. I think an atheist and a religous person can have differences in a civil manner. Furthermore this is just one of possibly many offensive issues that the author has raised.Muntuwandi 14:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC) Yes everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as they present it with civility. Anybody with good intentions will always be extremely careful when using sensitive words like the devil, evil, death or even freakin. I don't see her going to a black neighborhood and saying what she said. Muntuwandi 14:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC) Hello, I've requested an arbitration regarding the conduct of Freedom skies and listed you as a party because of your involvement at Talk:Zen. Can I trouble you to write a brief statement at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Freedom skies about your thoughts on Freedom skies' edits and conduct? A summary of your comments at Talk:Zen will suffice. Thank you. JFD 21:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC) Hello, An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 02:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC) I have just started a article with the title mentioned above. Perhaps it would be interesting contributing\starting with me to this list; it might be fun if their is some kind of a competition between several users, to be on top of that list! Maybe some people would go and work harder, do more, contribute more, and vandalise less! Not take it 'too seriously; its just for fun, and feel free to add yourself to the list! So, what do you say? the Old and respectable Kashwialariski 16:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC) AVN articleI just removed the line about Nate in Six Feet Under dying from the article. Not a very nice spoiler :) Far eastI might be wrong but Far East does not necessarily refers to the entire "Eastern world". It generally refers to East Asia. --Incman|वार्ता 10:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Ooh someone has found the list I created and started editing it. Very exciting! Just a suggestion - do you fancy including an infobox on any painting pages you create? It does make them look rather good. See April Love (Hughes painting) to steal the template. Best wishes Madmedea 15:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I've reverted your deletion and left a note on the talk page of the article. --VSerrata 15:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Work (painting)
--howcheng {chat} 23:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Bogus Claims"this is a bout a controversial TERM. The hypothesis is the migration. Oppenheimer's Stone age migrations are off topic - this is about late Bronze age)" Yes true it is a controversial term, however, Aryan Invasion Theory is a hypothesis foremost, which is the subject of the controversial meaning ,so please don't try "spin" on me, try that on your next victim. Secondly, Stephen Oppenheimer is discrediting the Aryan Invasion theory into India with genetics and new archaeological findings, which is in sync with the article. No more spin please. Find the relevant sources to discredit my facts in the article, you you don't have any legs to stand on. Cosmos416 05:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC) Instead of compromising, you just reverted when I asked you for sources, and your response contained various cherry picked nonsense that can be easily fixed. I'll add a footnote, take out the [Sic] part (that was palced by accident, it was in the power point document). By the way, Oppenheimer is not talking about a migration into India 90,000 years ago, he is refer more so on the migration taking place out of India (as they evolved in India over 30,000-40,000 years). Show some transparency, please. Cosmos416 05:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Well...the language is in sync with the theory/hypothesis of migration/invasion of people/culture/infusion of languages,etc,etc., from central Asia/elsewhere. And Stephen Oppenheimer is saying is that 1 group of the 4 or 5 in Africa, left in one push, and went along the Indian Ocean coast line, and settled in India, and how overtime genetics mixture, physical features changed over time, and how it impacted with the surrounding environment changing with the climate. Cosmos416 05:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC) It's been debated for 2 weeks without any one showing refuting sources, and you as well the other page-protectors won't even acknowledge that a "theory" and "hypothesis" are one and the same. Look on the Google for "AIT" "hypothesis", you'll get more hits then you can read also. I wouldn't criticize my sources, when it's my Stephen Oppenheimer, and a dictionary, and yours is Original thought, without any sources refuting the claims presented. Cosmos416 06:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC) Stop with your childish games and shows sources discrediting my information posted in the article, or you do not have a case. I repeat, stop with your childish games and shows sources discrediting my information posted in the article, or you do not have a case. If you continue to revert without any sources to your twisted claims (Which you HAVE CHANGED because you can read it in the History pages, so you been caught lying and misleading once again, your actions could be considered for Vandilism and Page-Protectionism. Show sources and stop stalling, and trying to lie your ways through with personally attacking other users. Cosmos416 12:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC) WorkLovely work on Work (painting). - PKM 02:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC) My Guess:Kkm5848 is Steve Knapp --Nemonoman 23:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC) Romney painting of Emma, Lady HamiltonPaul, Thanks for leaving some interesting info on Emma on Wikipedia. I am particularly interested in where your Romney picture came from. I have an identical image which is a family heirloom and had often wondered where it came from. At the bottom of the picture, there is a note saying engraved by In (or Jn)Jones. Do you have any more info about pictures such as these? I am told that it was given to my grandmother when she was a young gal in the 1920's. It was given to her by an older millionaire friend who told her that the picture looked like her. Shame the good looks have not lasted as long as my own generation. If you have any further info about this picture I would love to know it. Many thanks, Mike Philpott mike@philpott.tv Wikithanks
Shakespearean authorshipThanks to reverting back to my version, and comments.... Maybe with some work we can get our version to stick. It seems clear though that certain people there want readers to believe it is taken more seriously by academics than it really is. DreamGuy 23:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC) Shakespearean authorship IIYes, yes, quite. But I have to admit it made me laugh. :-) Bishonen | talk 21:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC). not at allThanks for your note on my talkpage. If you need any help with an additional opinion on contentious article, don't hesitate to ask. I've spend so much time on that nonsense anyway that I must count as something of an expert by now. Hornplease 08:12, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
move child sacrifice from the Carthage articleI suggested to move the lengthy dispute of child sacrifice from the article about the city of Carthage to the article about the Punics. What we can savely state in the article on the city of Carthage is that remains of corpses from young children and young animals have been found in the tophet and there is a scientific discussion about these, considering the possibility of child sacrifice. Wandalstouring 10:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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--ALoan (Talk) 14:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Great article - I love anything connected to Charles I! In case you'd like to expand it, here's his biography from the Dictionary of National Biography, entry by Antony Griffiths. It can be cited as follows: "William Marshall" in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, by Antony Griffiths. It's also strictly copyrighted, so you may blank this text if/after you use it. [removed - copyvio] -- Biruitorul 15:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Here is the discussion, please dont remove cited infoArmenia, a scion of the "Aryan" stock, has for four millenniums and more, through two or three revivals and through some of the most devastating misfortunes that ever beset a people, been an advanced post of civilization. [16][1]--66.217.80.134 16:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC) The page is http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/Asia/Armenia/_Texts/KURARM/Preface*.html Im showing you the site here. Im not talking about Ariun, Im talking about Aryan. I gave you the page of the scholars and historian. Please dont remove the cited info Armenians are of Aryan stock. Not pronounced Arya here. 216.175.66.171 16:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC) In Armenian, we call ourselves Aryatzi or Aryaee. This is referring to Aryan. The scholars reveals it clearly we are from "Aryan" stock. I didnt say Arya, please dont play word games here, even though Arya is the same as Aryan. Either way we are Aryan also known Arya. 216.175.66.171 16:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC) I wasnt talking about the Armenian word for blood "Ariun", and this cited info and page is not talking about "Ariun" (blood) either.216.175.66.171 16:48, 2 May 2007 (UTC) and watch your over 3RR 216.175.66.171 16:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC) Capitals in Hitler's religious beliefsDear Paul, you reverted me, saying that someone inserted the capital letters. However, your edit actually restored them. Could you please check which way you wanted it. My intention was to revert back to the previous state (small letters) as I believe that this reflects the quotes accurately. Cheers, Str1977 (smile back) 07:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
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For the Arbitration Committee --Srikeit 18:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Londo06He is a friend at work who introduced me to wikipedia. I am not his sock-puppet nor am I his double. Please refrain from intimating otherwise just because we share a view on some historical facts. Many thanks for your attention to this matter. Alexsanderson83 13:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC) Not overly bothered, we share a like of history and sports. Whether you believe he exists is immaterial. But thanks for your interest. Alexsanderson83 17:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC) PN Oak tediumHaving fun yet? Let me know if I can help. --Nemonoman 15:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC) "the exploration of Sub-Saharan Africa by the Bharat"?Hello, I'm undoing your change here [17], as it appears to be a copy and paste error. If I missed something, please feel free to correct me in return. --Bletch 17:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC) Regarding edits to William Blake
Your noteYou may be right, but I see my responses, especially on the article Talk page, as generic. So they would be intended for anyone following the threads, or wondering about the issues. Crum375 13:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Stuart SutcliffeI'm waiting for Sutcliffe to checked again by the rewiewer (he's taking some time) and I wonder if he will mention the comments about Sutcliffe's style in the Art section. I have no problems with it at all, but he might ask for references. egde 20:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Shakespeare AuthorshipREally? Where? I don't really care. They know I'm their sworn nemesis. Your noteHeh. I thought I might have, which was why I was hedging my words around with a dozen modifier and caveats. Hornplease 19:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Image:Image:ANightmare.jpgThanks for uploading Image:ANightmare.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged. As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self-no-disclaimers}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 22:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Hi Paul - sorry to put an automated message on your page so I thought I'd personalise it. Can you put the source of this PD image (the link where you got it from) as they're all meant to have them on wikipedia even if they're copyright status is clear.... and while I'm at it all PD images should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons as Wikipedia is not a collection of images (WP:NOT). I'm on a mission to get all the art images copied over. Thanks. Great work on the Pre-Raphaelites! Madmedea 22:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
this is about the priory of sionhi paul, i am not much of a historian or anything... but the stories about priory, knight templars, and freemasons, and the holy grail and some hidden treasures, etc etc. appeal to me very much.. taking it up one by one, i want to know some thing.. i understand plantard did a good thing to start the priory etc.. and also took names of brilliant ppl like da vinci and newton to be its previous grandmaster... was the priory of sion real? or did it start frm plantard? or is it still unclear? my personal opinion, if u ask, is that it began frm plantard and is complete hoax. coz if u see everything(at least most of it) is in french.. and plantard was a french(i believe).. my logic says.. wat would U do if U started a hoax secret society.. ? being an english u would associate a lot of it to things in england, etc.. if it started in china, most of the info would have been in chinese.. (tell me if i am goin wrong somewhere) i dnt know a lot of history.. but yeah i'd loved to be enlightened in this respect(i.e. priory of sion) i am a medical student, who loves to read human psychology shoubhik 11:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC) Huxley mapHi Paul. I noticed your Map from Thomas Huxley's 1870 essay on racial categories. Can you tell me which essay and where the image is from. Thanks. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 20:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
BCEPlease see Talk:Chariot. Comment on Nigger/nigaYou're right that the Mandarin word should not be confused with the English epithet. But, as a regular visitor to China, I can tell you that I still think I'm hearing "Nigger" when people around me say, "Niga,...." (It's used in much the same way as "uh" or "you know", so there's often a pause that makes it sound like an address. It might help if I spoke Mandarin. But even though I know what "niga" means, I often do a doubletake the first couple of days when I hear it. That said, I agree with your edit. Just thought I'd share my experiences, on the off chance you'd care. Phiwum 14:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC) Given how you feel, you better keep a close eye on this article. I just deleted an edit FelipeS made and commented on the talk page. Check it out. Slrubenstein | Talk 13:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC) So please explain to me where you think you have the right to change names of articles? Just wondering if you were the King of Wikipedia or something, because you know if you are, I'll bow to your superior knowledge of everything. Since, I'm rather skeptical about that particular level of authority, do you think that there could be some discussion? Or are you so brilliant you do not believe you need to lower yourself to my simpleton level to explain such massive changes? Just curious. Orangemarlin 00:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Jesus and Mythology articlesI just figured I'd comment that I've been impressed by how calm and reasonable you've managed to stay despite the charged nature of discussions over there. I don't really know for sure what I think about the subject - it's been hard for me to think through with the tone of much of the argumentation, and the fact that some people seem much more interested insulting each other than actually engaging with their thoughts. Nonetheless, I'm impressed by the style in which you're arguing. TJ 10:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Cathar pageDear Paul, Last year you posted some sane comments when a controversy erupted with the CW/Deb/Don aliases. Exactly one year to the date this person has returned again. Can you review what has happened and offer us your advice? The other party is not pursuing mediation and people are again being scared off contributing. We just want to prevent edits to the article which contravene the standard Wikipedia seeks. Have we erred in our response? Are you comfortable providing advice in this? Thanks, Brad Hoffstetter
modernism and modern artPardon for my deficient English. Which difference is among modernism and modern art? You can answer here. 18:11, 4 June 2007 CartoonsWhat do you have against cartoons images in wikipedipia's articles? Mormons are not ChristiansThere's already an article about Persecution of Mormons, so there's no reason why it should be mentioned on the Persecution of Christians article as well. The beliefs and doctrines hold some similarities (Mormonism is based on Christianity, like Christianity is based on Judaism), but they are two seperate religions! --206.116.195.125 09:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Why are you deleting my edits to the Gana page? Ravi Chaudhary 17:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC) Please post on this age only, to keep thread in one place. Ravi Chaudhary 21:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC) Dear Paul
One as gana- for Group,republic, etc, and the other for “gana ‘as a mythical individual being, who is a Hooligan, and this hooligan is an attendant of the Indian Hindu deity Shiva.
To get a grasp and understanding of Lord Shiva requires quite a bit of study and some understanding. Hinduism as it has evolved to today’s form contains many many streams and many many interpretations, and some will be contradictory. In his simplest form, Shiva represents the force of Universal Creation, and is known by various names for various aspects one being ‘auspicious”. You may appreciate that a being described as auspicious, can hardly have a hooligan as his attendant As the forms of Shiva as a deity evolved into the present form, primarily a Vaishnava Tradition, that created over time a trinity of deities, with Shiva being allocated as the deity for destruction.. Now this interpretation does not sit particularly well, with those who consider Shiva to be representing the force of creation, and for example being the auspicious one. By taking an isolated interpretation, and creating a being , hooligan , as being an attendant of his, will create misunderstandings to some one not familiar with the vast diversities in Hinduism. The ‘hooligan’ theme smacks of voyeurism, and there are individuals who get a ‘kick’ out of indulging in this sort of voyeurism. It creates a picture however, that apart from being incorrect, is actually quite denigrating. I doubt that that is picture you or any reasonable person will wish to propagate. An encyclopedia must have some balance. I do not know how to put this across, and perhaps you can help here, in putting suitable wordings in place. Ravi Chaudhary 21:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
"Most Highly Honoured Nasal Index barnstar"Thank you, Paul, for the above-mentioned award for my work on the Jat people talk page trying to "maintain reason against the forces of the ethnocentrism." Sometimes it is very lonely and discouraging in the face of the torrent of abuse that seems to follow any questioning of these "ethnocentric" writers. Fortunately, I have regularly received email letters of support from several Jats and other Indians who have also been concerned about the tone of the article, the fanaticism and vainglorious fantasies of some of the contributors, not to mention the promotion of Aryan supremicist concepts, which have certainly helped encourage me to keep at it. But this is the first time I have received a barnstar for my efforts! Thank you so very much indeed! John Hill 23:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC) Freedom SkiesIndeed! Many thanks for the tip. Johnbod 20:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Actually, the survey does indeed ask about whether people had ever had anal sex - read it at [19]. I'm restoring my wording on that basis. The way, the truth, and the light 17:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
=NordicismThen how do you explain the fact that to be in the Waffen SS you had to prove your Aryan lineage going back 5 generations and the fact there were not only Nordics but also many Slavs and Mediteraneans in it. ShakespeareAlthough it wasn't me who removed those remarks, I believe that removal was a good call. I would like to ask you to consider changing your characterisation of Awadewit. She holds her position strongly, but as far as I know, she never uses words like that to describe the position of those she disagrees with. And I disagree with you: her position seems to me soundly based—I've been reading around the authorship topic a lot in the past few days, and it is remarkable how many books about Shakespeare fail to mention the issue at all. So although the position Awadewit holds may strike you as wrong or extreme, it is a rational argument. qp10qp 01:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Well......and drove him from his intention of destroying Jerusalem and deporting its inhabititants - an critical action that has shaped the Wetern world. For, at this time, the Bible had not yet been written and the concept of YWEH fully defined. Henry T. Aubin, The Rescue of Jerusalem, 2nd edition, 2003, Anchor Canada. I cited the book. What's the problem? Well...Care to elaborate on that comment then? I looked over my sentence, and it seems to both gramatically and factually sound. If Jerusalem had been destroyed before the deportation, and they had not survived the attack of 701 (and the subsequent interpretation of having bested Ashur, and thus, YWEH was stronger) the Western world would be profoundly different. As for the deportation comment, it was Assyrian policy to do that with any captured peoples. As for Taharqua having done this, there is ample evidence to suggest in that book that it is so. Image:Huguenot.jpgThanks for uploading the image; it is a favorite of mine. I was wondering however if this rendition is accurate as far as the color. I've noticed a wide variation in the colors of photographs of it, from orange-red like this one to yellow-green like [20]. Given that it is not a copyrightable image, if the yellow-green is the truer color perhaps we could replace it with one like that (which is also higher resolution). I suspect that this is the case as far as the color given how much clearer that version is, not just in resolution but in the details and lack of compression artifacts. Also, minor concern - the filename is a little short and may be prone to being overwritten at some later date. -- fourdee ᛇᚹᛟ 10:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello Paul, I dont fully understand how wikipedia edit works, some time back, today 29th June, reference to Zoroastrianism>>>Noted Zoroastrians, I used the edit tool to include 3 more outstanding Parsees: Adi Marzban was a highly respected editor of the Parsee paper jame i Jamshed, read by several thousand Parsees and Gujeratis. He was also a very prolific playright of comedies and other stage plays and moving pictures/movies. He was a very well respected member of the Parsee community as many can attest to this. Dr Irach Taraporewala was a very erudite and well read scholar of Zoroastrianism and his translations of the Zoroastrian Gathas are very widely read and used by other scholars as a benchmark. In Indian business circles and in the developement of Indian banking, Sir Sorabji Pochkhanawala stands out as he founded the Central Bank of India, which is one of India's five large banks. I am also sure that along with the great Jewish businessman Sir David Sassoon Sir Sorabji founded the Bank of India. excluding these is unfair, more to them than any one, such as myself, whose only aim was to include some more prominent Parsees. Pubic HairWhat does "my" ability to identify Latino genitalia have to do with anything here? First, we are talking pubic hair, not genitalia. Second, the model whose photograph I took is a friend of mine and is the same model on all my body parts, so I know his racial background. Third, the "Afric am" photo is blurry, poor quality, poorly lit, etc. And how much ability do you have to differentiate between racial genitalia? --David Shankbone 12:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
You have repeatedly referred to me as an exhibitionist. Until you are ready to apologize for the incivility and personal attack, leave my Talk page alone or I will bring it up on the Admin incident page and have someone else explain to you how you could have handled this situation more appropriately. It takes a small man to level names at another; it takes a big man to admit it. --David Shankbone 14:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
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