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Finished my degree with a 2:1 (upper second class, not sure of the equivalent in the US)! Going to be taking a break from editing until tomorrow evening as I’ll be... celebrating, if you will. Patient Zerotalk16:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
No worries, Gerda. I'm so glad to see that people are ensuring that she maintains a legacy here, and are continuing with the tremendous work she carried out. Patient Zerotalk22:28, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Reaching a consensus regarding factual edits about Mellow 94.7
Hi Patient Zero,
I would like to request for a consensus regarding some of the edits being done by some of the editors for Mellow 94.7. At the end of the day, all we want are facts and verifiable information being published on Wikipedia. Thank you. 216.154.32.173 (talk) 01:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi - I can see that there's a clear dispute over the content on DWLL, so at this stage I'm going to recommend that you post on the article's talk page. Pinging Superastig here too, as I can see that he has reverted a few of your edits. Particularly, IP, what I'd like you to be mindful of is WP:UNSOURCED - which states that all content added to Wikipedia must be verifiable. The onus is on you, the editor that added the information, to find a reliable source - and I can't see any attempts on your part to do this thus far. Best, Patient Zerotalk02:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.
Technical news
IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.
Arbitration
The community authorised COVID-19 general sanctions have been superseded by the COVID-19 discretionary sanctions following a motion at a case request. Alerts given and sanctions placed under the community authorised general sanctions are now considered alerts for and sanctions under the new discretionary sanctions.
Per the sources, your reverting is incorrect. You also restored grammar mistakes. So I reverted. I'm not removing any content. I'm reverting inaccurate information. Please revert yourself. I don't feel like reporting this. 103.77.192.228 (talk) 23:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Consensus seems in favour of using gender-neutral pronouns in the article, per MOS:GENDER - both men and women can partake in the act (also, bear in mind not every individual assigned male at birth will use "he", "him" and "his" pronouns). Feel free to take it to the article's talk page, but this is something that gets reverted by experienced editors often (and I won't be reverting you further; in addition to this I can see evidence of your IP-hopping in order to reinstate male pronouns). Patient Zerotalk23:52, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
You're wrong. This isn't about pronouns. It's about facts.[1] You say that "Consensus seems in favour of using gender-neutral pronouns in the article", but that is false. There is no consensus for your changes that comply with WP:CONSENSUS. I returned the page to the WP:STATUSQUO, which used to be supported by a hidden note in the introduction. WP:CONSENSUS doesn't override WP:VERIFIABILITY anyway. See the talk page. Also, there is no intentional IP hopping. My IP changed. That's it. 103.77.192.228 (talk) 00:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Discussion moved to the article's talk page. IP, this is what's known as tendentious editing. In other words, you are not adhering to a neutral point of view, instead using Wikipedia and its articles as a way of pushing a particular viewpoint that is no longer compatible with societal norms. The article adheres to MOS:GENDER and should continue to do so. Patient Zerotalk01:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
It is not tendentious editing to stay on course with the sources. What you say about WP:NPOV is also false since it tells us that Wikipedia neutrality is based on what the preponderance of reliable sources say. You have no sources showing that women commit this crime. You're also wrong about MOS:GENDER. It is you pushing a gender-neutral POV where there isn't one. You're only acting this way because I'm an IP. Experienced editors have literally done what I've done at that page and you're making me into a villain. This will go to dispute resolution now, I guess. 103.77.192.235 (talk) 01:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
What societal norms is the IP allegedly no longer in compliance with? Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not to be on the cutting edge of activist efforts to change societal norms, or to switch over to ones that have not fully taken hold, per WP:NOTADVOCACY and WP:RGW. Additionally, the Wikipedia community is clear about describing sexed anatomy here. Even anatomy aside, the sources speak of men doing that behavior. Is speaking of, say, women in an article specifically about women a violation of MOS:GENDER? The sources on that topic are clear, and enforcing gender neutrality where the sources do not support it when describing a form of male misconduct is an example of WP:FALSEBALANCE. Crossroads-talk-04:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
RfA
Consider it if you haven't already. I'd offer to nom, but I'm away for weeks on end these days because of RL stuff, so probably not the best one. Anyway, you'd have my support. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:57, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much, TonyBallioni - that means a great deal! I’m strongly considering it - I think I need to get a few more edits in over the next few weeks, think of my answers to the compulsory questions, then I’ll give it a go, in early August most likely. Thank you once again, and wishing you all the best :-) Patient Zerotalk04:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive
Hello Patient Zero:
WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.
Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
There is currently a backlog of over 1700 articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help!
On DYK today, two songs, a morning song that a cousin gave to me, about the many meanings of rising, and the other praying for the courage to take the necessary steps. The morning song is a GA, - I should write more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano). - Thank you for improving articles in July, - I come a few days earlier than normally because the bloom is fading already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:55, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
On Wikipedia, doing mostly well. Healthy in real life, but knowing too many who aren't, and some here as well, and missing those who died or just gave up, - so: mixed. More on my talk, see Flood and around. How about you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Goodness me, I hope the floods haven’t affected where you are too badly, Gerda? Glad to hear you’re well, though. I’m feeling very much the same, and echo your thoughts especially now that two editors I saw frequently around here when I was a younger editor have passed… otherwise not doing too bad. We’ve had some lovely weather here over the past few days and so I’ve mainly spent them outside or trying to figure out how to keep the house cool (being in the UK we don’t have AC, and it’s been bloody boiling!). Take care, Patient Zerotalk01:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, and sorry I missed to link Flood (video). Where I live - walking distance to the spring of the creek in the valley - flooding is unlikely, and - still close - on the Rhine, yes it was high (see 15 July pic here), but not as high as almost every spring when the road is flooded and cars make a detour. Keep cool ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
That’s alright! Glad to hear all is well where you are, Gerda :-) I know exactly what you mean re. cars making detours - we occasionally get bad floods over here too, in fact a car park near me has a road sign to warn people that it is liable to flooding as it’s quite low down! Will do ;-) Patient Zerotalk21:46, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
CPI Aerostructures
I am trying to get CPI Aero to pay for material they bought from me 6 months ago on open account terms. They will not return my calls or issue payment. By removing my post, you are preventing me from encouraging them to pay me what they owe me. We are a very small business and they have essentially stolen from us to line their own pockets. Please reconsider posting my statement again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.147.87.49 (talk • contribs)
I'm sorry to hear about your experiences with the company in question. However, the Wikipedia article on CPI Aerostructures is not the place to air your grievances; this would constitute disruptive editing. Hope you are able to resolve your issues through a more appropriate channel. Patient Zerotalk23:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Chris Jeday name edit
Good afternoon, I tried fixing Chris Jeday Wikipedia article to reflect his real artist name (Chris Jedi), but the change was auto reverted. The Spanish article already reflects the changes but the English one does not. Thanks in advance. Geotronico (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Evening, Geotronico! I had a quick Google, and the only instance I can find of him using the name "Jedi" is on his Instagram, and that ought to be taken with a pinch of salt given that people often do go by "pun" versions of their names on that website. If you're able to find a reliable source showing that this is a new stage name, or that he has legally changed his surname, feel free to add it to the article. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask! Patient Zerotalk23:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Bias
I do not believe my edit was not constructive. Wikipedia has been known to have leftist bias. I think you are biased and require immediate termination. Please do not imply political bias when making edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akaseahawks68 (talk • contribs)
I think you are biased and require immediate termination -- This reads like a threat to me. I strongly suggest you retract this statement. Your edit introduced opinion into the article and did not cite a reliable source. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 22:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello patient Zero. I am just trying to improve the quality of the links and quotations as well as updating this page. I am the daughter of the person in question and I need to do these changes. Please allow them, Thanks for not changing them as I will return to the original changes
Hello, you've just reverted my contributions that I've done in order to revert it to original data as there seems to be edits added by anonymous contributors. Due to conflict, reference was added by me. Can i know the reason for your action? Bsr465 (talk) 20:35, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Regal Academy and Winx Club retirements from Netflix
Hello Patient Zero. This retirement of Regal Academy, with Winx Club, both from italian animation studio Rainbow S.p.A., is acording to some Netflix retirements list from many streaming news websites. Here: [1] The retirement is for August 1, 2021. This retirement will be in several countries, but if you find the coincidence to this retirement, don't forget to ask me. On Winx Club, is from this site: [2] (Link in Spanish but you can translate it on English with your translator.)
190.235.170.118 (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.
Technical news
Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. (T287380)
We've definitely lost some good editors here recently. :( I'm glad to hear you're OK though, Gerda - and I'm not doing too bad myself! Just getting ready now to start my Masters course next month. Patient Zerotalk17:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is open to decide when, if ever, should discord logs be eligible for removal when posted onwiki (including whether to oversight them)
A RfC on the next steps after the trial of pending changes on TFAs has resulted in a 30 day trial of automatic semi protection for TFAs.
Technical news
The Score extension has been re-enabled on public wikis. It has been updated, but has been placed in safe mode to address unresolved security issues. Further information on the security issues can be found on the mediawiki page.
Arbitration
A request for comment is in progress to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the Arbitration Committee election and resolve any issues not covered by existing rules. Comments and new proposals are welcome.
France report: Wikimedian in residence; Some projects for this autumn
India report: Second proofread competition starts on Bengali Wikisource in collaboration with the British Library
Italy report: Summer school in July and two new WiR in August
Netherlands report: 50 cool new things you can now do with KB’s collection highlights, and New old photographs of Algeria, Mali and Morocco by Angeline van Achterberg
Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.
Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.
At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.
There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.
If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process or its software.
Various awards are due to be allocated by the end of the year and barnstars are overdue. If you would like to manage this, please let us know. Indeed, if you are interested in coordinating NPR, it does not involve much time and the tasks are described here.
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A belated thanks
I'm stopping by to express my appreciation for your trust and support in my July RfA. My first few months have been eye opening. My experience may not be the same as others' but I feel more a peacekeeper than a patrolman. Certainly have been reading a lot of policy pages more closely. I don't want to act less than competently, but I can see how much I don't know and it daunts me a bit. The very kind words you offered in my admin request made me feel responsible for maintaining trust. If I can be of service or if you see me out of service, please call on me directly. Thanks again. BusterD (talk) 18:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
You’re welcome, BusterD! I shall do. On another note, I did briefly see on your talk page that you had suffered a loss recently, and I therefore send you my condolences. Take care, and all the best with everything. Patient Zerotalk22:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Following an RfC, extended confirmed protection may be used preemptively on certain high-risk templates.
Following a discussion at the Village Pump, there is consensus to treat discord logs the same as IRC logs. This means that discord logs will be oversighted if posted onwiki.
A motion has standardised the 500/30 (extended confirmed) restrictions placed by the Arbitration Committee. The standardised restriction is now listed in the Arbitration Committee's procedures.
Following the closure of the Iranian politics case, standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, post-1978 Iranian politics, broadly construed.
The Arbitration Committee encourages uninvolved administrators to use the discretionary sanctions procedure in topic areas where it is authorised to facilitate consensus in RfCs. This includes, but is not limited to, enforcing sectioned comments, word/diff limits and moratoriums on a particular topic from being brought in an RfC for up to a year.
Miscellaneous
Editors have approved expanding the trial of Growth Features from 2% of new accounts to 25%, and the share of newcomers getting mentorship from 2% to 5%. Experienced editors are invited to add themselves to the mentor list.
The community consultation phase of the 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process is open for editors to provide comments and ask questions to candidates.
Phase 2 of the 2021 RfA review has commenced which will discuss potential solutions to address the 8 issues found in Phase 1. Proposed solutions that achieve consensus will be implemented and you may propose solutions till 07 November 2021.
Sweden report: The Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk; More museum data on Wikidata; LGBT edit-a-thon; Local business history in Nyköping; Stockholm City Museum ♥ Wikipedia; Writing about fashion at Nordiska museet
UK report: British Library and Khalili Collections
USA report: Wikiconference North America + Workshops
Content Partnerships Hub report: Needs assessment interviews; Cultural heritage on Wikidata – thousands of monuments in Norway; Structured Data uploads continue
Hello! Voting in the 2021 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 6 December 2021. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
Unregistered editors using the mobile website are now able to receive notices to indicate they have talk page messages. The notice looks similar to what is already present on desktop, and will be displayed on when viewing any page except mainspace and when editing any page. (T284642)
The limit on the number of emails a user can send per day has been made global instead of per-wiki to help prevent abuse. (T293866)
The already authorized standard discretionary sanctions for all pages relating to the Horn of Africa (defined as including Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and adjoining areas if involved in related disputes), broadly construed, have been made permanent.
Ukraine report: Aricle contest for librarians «Local cultural heritage and prominent people»
USA report: Smithsonian demos new Wiki API Connector tool and other meetups
Content Partnerships Hub report: We continue building for the hub; SDC for fun and profit: detecting bad coordinates; Needs assessment – video recorded interviews; Improving ISA
WMF GLAM report: Wikisource birthday celebration, Community Tech Wishlist, and upcoming conversation about courses for GLAM professionals
Following consensus at the 2021 RfA review, the autopatrolled user right has been removed from the administrators user group; admins can grant themselves the autopatrolled permission if they wish to remain autopatrolled.
The functionaries email list (functionaries-enlists.wikimedia.org) will no longer accept incoming emails apart from those sent by list members and WMF staff. Private concerns, apart from those requiring oversight, should be directly sent to the Arbitration Committee.
The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
The Reply Tool feature, which is a part of Discussion Tools, will be opt-out for everyone logged in or logged out starting 7 February 2022. Editors wishing to comment on this can do so in the relevant Village Pump discussion.
Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.
AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.
A RfC is open to discuss prohibiting draftification of articles over 90 days old.
Technical news
The deployment of the reply tool as an opt-out feature, as announced in last month's newsletter, has been delayed to 7 March. Feedback and comments are being welcomed at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project. (T296645)
More than happy to do so, Deepfriedokra. I've been planning on returning to enwiki this month as my workload IRL has decreased somewhat, so I'd be free to mentor him if he is unblocked - thanks for reaching out to me regarding the matter. Patient Zerotalk17:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928)
When viewing deleted revisions or diffs on Special:Undelete a back link to the undelete page for the associated page is now present. (T284114)
India report: Wikimedian-in-Residence program initiated at the Research Institute of World's Ancient Traditions, Cultures and Heritage in Arunachal Pradesh
Italy report: The growth of sharing on Wikimedia projects
Netherlands report: Letters from Sierra Leone: the Sjoerd Hofstra photo collection in a new light
New Zealand report: Forming Wikimedia Aotearoa and the Aotearoa New Zealand Theses Project
Serbia report: News in Wikipedian in residence projects
Following an RfC, a change has been made to the administrators inactivity policy. Under the new policy, if an administrator has not made at least 100 edits over a period of 5 years they may be desysopped for inactivity.
A public status system for WMF wikis has been created. It is located at https://www.wikimediastatus.net/ and is hosted separately to WMF wikis so in the case of an outage it will remain viewable.
Arbitration
Remedy 2 of the St Christopher case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to place a ban on single-purpose accounts who were disruptively editing on the article St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine or related pages from those pages.
Sweden report: Training at the National Archives of Sweden; Training at the Stockholm City Museum; Training at the Swedish National Museum of Science and Technology; Improved images from Swedish Performing Arts Agency
