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Thanks for all your improvements to that and other articles. I noticed that you referred to the Griffin Brothers as Edward and Jimmy. The sources that I've seen refer to Ernest and Jimmy. Is that a typo, or was there another brother? Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:36, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
PS: I may have found the answer myself... This gives "Buddy"'s name as Edward Ernest Griffin - which fits both my refs, and the BMI listing. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Ojorojo, I think it's definitely GA class and you should put it up. I'm not around much these days so not sure if I'd be much help but I am still interested in the article and will certainly keep an eye on it.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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Ojorojo, I just finished the prose review of this article, and intend on tackling the sources in a day or so. I've had so much fun up to now! The Stephen Tyler quote is so priceless, and reminds me why I love him so. Dude looks like a lady! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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If it fits with your schedule, I'd like to take a break for a couple of days and come back to it with a fresh pair of eyes. If not, I think we can wrap it up as is. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Would you like me to review Little Red Rooster, or would you like to wait for another reviewer? Either way, I don't mind. Viriditas (talk) 02:24, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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It looks really good. I made a few minor changes. Check the page history and revert anything you don't like. Thanks for your hard work. Viriditas (talk) 04:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I notice you didn't nominate "Stormy Monday" for a DYK. You have five days to nominate "Little Red Rooster" for a DYK appearance on the main page. Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
That's fine. If you like, compose a short, pithy "hook" for the article and I will co-nominate it for you. That means I'll volunteer to do the review for you, but you'll still get credit for the hook. This is totally within the rules since anyone can nominate a DYK. You can also look at my work to see how to perform a review in the future. Better yet, if you can pick a free image that's relevant to hook (for example, something from the current article or somewhere else), we can nominate it in the primary position on the main page, and it will appear first. This will increase traffic to your page and give other people the opportunity to see your work. And, honestly, considering the amount of incredible work you are doing here, you really need to start getting more credit and recognition. Of course, I don't have to be the one to nominate it. If you want, you can have someone from the music project nominate it or someone else. I'm just volunteering my help if you need it. Viriditas (talk) 23:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, I'm in. How about: "...that to appear on a 1965 TV program, the Rolling Stones made it a condition that the show also include a performance by Howlin' Wolf?" And use the Wolf photo from the article (when I saw him in 1972, he would strike this pose as he stalked the stage from side to side. He was a big man and with his voice, reminded me more of a bear than a wolf). —Ojorojo (talk) 13:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Not bad! You may want to take a look at the current batch of hooks on the main page. As you can see, all of the hooks link to the article title. In this case, it would be "Little Red Rooster". How were you planning on linking to that in your hook? Can you design a hook that is tailored more around that topic, but also references the Stones and Wolf, if required? See also Wikipedia:Did you know/Hook, particularly H9. I think it would be easier to try to write the hook around the topic. For example, a good hook about the subject would mention that the Stones played the song on television, but insisted on Howlin' Wolf appearing on the same show. I'm not quite sure how to do this, so you may want to give it some thought. The best hooks, of course, have the best sources in the article, so you may want to start with the sources first, and go from there. Viriditas (talk) 00:59, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
It's definitely improved. If I nominate it, the first thing the reviewer will say is, show me the source that supports the hook. Which single reference are you using to support the entire hook? Viriditas (talk) 02:22, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Davis 2001, p. 132. (inline cite added) supports everything, except "the song's original singer". On the same page, Jagger is quoted as saying Wolf introduced Son House as doing the original, however, there don't seem to be any other sources linking House and "Rooster" (House never recorded it; his and Wolf's mentor Charlie Patton recorded "Banty Rooster" in 1929, before House had recorded any songs). So, it can be shortened to: "...that to appear on a 1965 television program where they performed "Little Red Rooster", the Rolling Stones insisted on having Howlin' Wolf as a guest performer"? —Ojorojo (talk) 14:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Hmm. Either I'm not seeing it or there's another source that I haven't seen. All it says is that they taped the song in advance, and that during rehearsals they "pressured" the producer to feature a blues musician. I'm just not seeing the direct connection between having Wolf on the show and the Stones agreeing to play. Can you find another source or come up with another hook? I know if I submit that one, there's going to be questions, so try to create a hook that any reviewer can instantly verify. Viriditas (talk) 00:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Many sources say they insisted, "on the condition", "only if", "refused unless", etc. Keith Richards probably explained it best, but in a roundabout way. "I think Jack [Good, the producer] saw the possibility, by asking us 'Who do you want on?', and we said 'Howlin' Wolf', because Jack certainly wanted to push things that way... because he kind of used our leverage to do that... [we] were just learning the game." I'll try again tomorrow. —Ojorojo (talk) 04:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Incorporating Richards' comments make the hook tangential (added as a note to the article). I want to avoid coming up with a hook for the sake of a hook, but don't have any more time to put into this right now. It's an interesting process. Thanks for your input. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
I understand. It's best to start simple. I'll find something easy for a reviewer to verify and nominate it. You'll have a chance to change the hook around during the nomination period and you will receive full credit for the hook. Viriditas (talk) 04:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
OK, I just spent some time looking for a good hook that a reviewer could easily verify. I came up with two but had to eliminate one. First, I looked at using the folklore item as a hook. The problem is that I couldn't verify it because Google Books didn't give me access to it. Then, I looked at The London Howlin' Wolf Sessions material you used. To me, that's one of the most interesting, "hooky" bits. Unfortunately, you didn't use an easy to verify secondary source, and you didn't add more to the story (and there's a hell of a lot of it). For example, many reliable sources talk about how during the session, Clapton "bore the brunt of Wolf's surliness about the song", and that Clapton "struggled" with it.[1] Wolf's bad temper during the session probably had more to do with his poor health than anything else (he was on dialysis in the studio). Schumacher's Crossroads: The Life and Music of Eric Clapton documents the incident in question quite well, and could be used as a source for the proposed hook:
"Howlin' Wolf knew he was not long for the world, and while a part of him resented the fact that he was dying at a time when blues was enjoying its greatest success ever, another part accepted the reality that one of the ways his music would live on was through young talents like those with him in the London studio. The realization drove him to work the musicians even harder.
"The hardest confrontation I ever had was when Howlin' Wolf tried to teach me to play 'Little Red Rooster,'" said Clapton. "He was saying to me, 'Listen, son, you've got to learn this because after I'm gone, someone's got to keep this alive.' Part of me fought this, and I thought, 'No, I'm not taking that!'"
But take it he did, not only in the stuido, where Howlin' Wolf literally took his hand and guided him through playing of "Little Red Rooster," but also in the continuing development of his identity as a musician. He was, he decided, part of the lineage of blues musicians, and if he was going to maintain a place in that heritage, he had to accept the responsibilities that went along with it.
"It introduced me to the reality of playing," he said of the Howlin' Wolf sessions. "Up until then it had always been a bit of a fantasy: listening to records and harboring a sense of belonging to it. Which no one could really shake until I met the real guys, and then I felt a bit of a stranger. But it fortified my urge to get it right. Because once you get the reward, it made you realize that there was something there."[2]
My friend, Ojorojo, this is DYK hook gold! How would you feel about adding some of this to the last paragraph of the "Howlin' Wolf song" section and making a hook out of it? Viriditas (talk) 05:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I see your point. Clapton's view of his experience is hook worthy, but some see the session results as a bit of an embarrassment for those involved. Clapton doesn't mention it in his autobiography and Koda writes "Even Eric Clapton, who usually welcomes any chance to play with one of his idols, has criticized this album repeatedly in interviews, which speaks volumes in and of itself". Despite his "urge to get it right", IMO, he never really did try until From the Cradle (and that has its critics). I don't know how to approach this in time for a DYK. Of course, you may have some good ideas and I think you should follow your gut (the credit doesn't concern me). Hope this helps. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Feel free to make comments on the DYK nomination page. You can propose improved wording or offer an alternate hook. Viriditas (talk) 05:30, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Please do not edit war on this article. According to WP:BRD, your Bold edit was Reverted by me, and the next step is that you Discuss your intended changes on the talk page - B R D. In the meantime, the article stays in the condition it was in before your edit, the status quo ante, to which I have restored it. Continuing to revert is edit warring, you need to discuss on the talk page. BMK (talk) 15:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Ojorojo, BMK is simply impossible to deal with. I've had to take dozens of articles off of my watchlist because of him. If you are faced with his unusual style of disruption, simply start an article RFC on the talk page or bring the problem to the attention of the wider community. He rarely attempts to compromise or see the other side of the argument, so you'll just be spinning your wheels. He loves to waste the precious time of other editors who are trying to improve actual articles. I have no idea what he does here, but he seems to excel in getting into pointless arguments. Don't fall for it. Of course, another option is to just remove the article from your watchlist altogether. Viriditas (talk) 23:01, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Jimi Hendrix Discography
Hi you seem like a good editor so I am just here to ask your opinion about something, do you think it would be a good idea to list the live albums that Hendrix was on but are not hendrix albums in their own section to avoid confusion with his own live albums.Lukejordan02 (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. Thanks for the comments. I have moved them over to the peer review page and will make some changes to the article. Meanwhile, here's a link to one of the episodes of the series, "Ellen's Flip Side", presented on YouTube. I think you will find it amusing. (Nancy Fox is extremely cute and adorable — she's the main reason that I like this show so much.) Jimknut (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
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WP:CATDEF This guideline applies to articles where categorization should be more strict. Categories themselves (such as categories for albums) can be more loose. Imagine that a metal band releases one folk album as a joke (this is a real life example). Does this mean that it's invalid to categorize their albums as metal? (Please use {{Ping}} if you respond here. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯15:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Koavf, by the same token, does this mean that their albums should be categorized as folk? I think it is misleading to characterize all Hendrix albums (comps, live, or otherwise) in narrow categories, such as acid rock, blues rock, etc., because his music is so varied. The Blues and Martin Scorsese Presents the Blues: Jimi Hendrix album are blues rock, but psychedelic, acid, etc.? Morning Symphony Ideas and The Baggy's Rehearsal Sessions ("Hoochie Coochie Man" is a parody) as blues rock? Band of Gypsys as acid rock? There are plenty more examples. I used WP:CATDEF because I think the "defining characteristic" point is important. Hendrix's albums (and many others) are not "commonly and consistently defined" as belonging to all of these subgenres. Rock is the only consistent characteristic (& possibly hard rock) that can be applied to all of his albums. What good is lumping them all in categories that maybe apply to only a few songs? He recorded funk and R&B influenced songs, should all his albums be put in those categories too? This is part of the bigger genre problem, is Led Zeppelin a folk rock band because they recorded "Goin' to California", etc.? We can all trot out ridiculous examples, but I think the WP:CATDEF ideas are a starting point for some rationale to categorization. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Koavf, Band of Gypsys was a recent GA and a genre editor added funk and rock (all referenced of course). So, since Hendrix only released four albums during his career, one-fourth of all his albums are funk and rock, therefore he would be a funk artist and all of his albums would be included in the funk category. See the problem? It's misleading. Maybe "Rock albums by American artists" will get too big, but at least it's correct. For Hendrix, I would say that hard rock and psychedelic rock are OK. Acid rock seems to imply long, noodley jams that he wasn't really all about. Except for "Red House" and a couple of other songs, what really is blues rock beyond the outtakes on Blues and elsewhere? Most genre related info is so messed up, I doubt many people would find it useful anyway. Broader categories are more likely to be dependable and therefore helpful. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:25, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Koavf, for the discussion that excluded acid rock from the Are You Experienced GA/FA, see Talk:Are_You_Experienced/Archive_1#Acid_rock. I went ahead and removed these and blues rock from the albums categories. I also removed Blues Portal (although Hendrix was influenced by blues, he is not a blues artist and is not listed under "Topics"). Change as you see fit. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
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I can't believe you are still waiting on a review. Do you want me to do it or do you want to wait for another reviewer? Either way, I don't mind, I just thought I would ask. Viriditas (talk) 21:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Just a note to tell you I'm mobile at the moment, but I should have the Purple Haze GAR closed out when I get home later tonight. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 02:46, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the pass, Viriditas. I was working on a response:
The break is OK. There is a ref for the solo reflecting blues and Eastern, but not the riff. Shadwick writes "Hendrix can be heard using the Fuzz Face in the intro to PH... where he uses the effect in a relatively restrained way to colour an already distorted guitar tone." Without mentioning PH, Wheeler writes "much experimenting was done in the studio [on fuzz units]... circuits were often modified on the spot. 'Clean' and 'dirty' tones from different amplifiers and direct injection (i.e., where the guitar is patched directly into the console) were blended together." How about: "The song features his inventive guitar playing, beginning with the use of dissonant notes and a minor pentatonic riff colored by the use of different distortion effects. The verses use the signature Hendrix chord, while the solo and outro mixes blues and Eastern modalities, with effects to multiply the guitar's frequencies. Because of ambiguities in the lyrics..." Is this getting too technical? Suggestions? —Ojorojo (talk) 20:38, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
@Viriditas: Thanks again for all of your time and effort in making this a great article (possible FA?). How about "DYK that the opening notes to Jimi Hendrix's song 'Purple Haze' were historically considered the musical equivalent of ringing Satan's doorbell?" Also I see that you picked up "Hear My Train" – I'll go over it before you start your review. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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Please note that in my linked source (a wikipedia article) there is also no source given. So you should delete the remark here here too. if you don't delete it, I'll revert your revert because it's not my fault. Saemikneu (talk) 18:25, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Saemikneu, you may want to review Wikipedia:Verifiability#Responsibility for providing citations: "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." Also, WP:CIRCULAR: "Do not use articles from Wikipedia as sources... Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources. Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly." —Ojorojo (talk) 23:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I know. But please consider acting more in quality assurcance as I do on German wikipedia. Such statements as given in my mentioned article do not have any sources also. Therefore, it shut be deletet there until a source is given. Saemikneu (talk) 11:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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On 30 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Beck's Bolero, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that "Beck's Bolero" begins with a reworking of Ravel's two-chord progression, transposed to the key of A? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Beck's Bolero. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 16 November 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Purple Haze, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the tritone heard at the beginning of Jimi Hendrix's song "Purple Haze" was historically called "Devil in music" and to play it was considered comparable to ringing Satan's doorbell? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Purple Haze. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Viriditas, did you see this edit, which added that Dion's version of "Purple Haze" actually ranked higher in the singles charts than Hendrix's original? That would have made a good April 1 DYK! —Ojorojo (talk) 00:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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