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User talk:NE Ent/Archive/2014
Are you an arbitration clerk?If not, remove the personal attack you just placed against me. Jehochman Talk 02:20, 31 December 2013 (UTC) Are you an arbitration clerk?If not, please consider becoming one, I'm sure you'd do great. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 03:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
re: what is that?It was a statement of my views at that time; I haven't yet decided whether or not to accept or decline. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 13:38, 31 December 2013 (UTC) ReversionNo idea why that happened. I suspect I need a new trackball, as I'm noticing other errant clicks.—Kww(talk) 22:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
ProxyingPlease do not proxy post for a banned editor or else you could be blocked to enforce their ban. If somebody removes a banned editor's comment, please do not revert that action either. Same result might occur. Jehochman Talk 13:11, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
SorryAs there was an ongoing IB discussion, unless you implemented that IB, it was a little early to close it. If you've logged the IB, then sorry ... I should not have undone your close ES&L 01:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Beans beans beans...Sent you an email. WormTT(talk) 14:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC) The Ent is very, very happySo WTT had to waste time "patrolling" the User:Mbz1 page I recreated per AN discussion. Applied for the permission, was denied. NE Ent 03:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
AE/RHi, Mr. Ent. As the user who answered the change of orientation question when it was first asked at the Ref Desk with detailed references and links, and as the user who referred this new inquiry back to the original discussion, and being personally familiar with the topic addressed, I have to say that Bugs' comment here is not only benign, it is quite helpful, and reflects the consensus terminology of most LGTB people. Indeed, the change his edit implies would be perfectly appropriate for the thread's title. I am aware of the previous arbitration finding. But there's no evidence Bugs has sought out a page from which he was banned, given he'd already posted here. Nor is there any way this edit can be viewed as disruptive, problematic, or harming the project. If anything this seems to be evidence of good faith and a positive contribution. Perhaps you'll consider withdrawing the complaint? Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 22:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Amendment requestThe amendment request that you were involved in has been declined by the Committee. For the Arbitration Committee, Rschen7754 19:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Happy New YearHow'em I doing? (You're my only mentor. Isn't that pathetic!? [Hehe.]) I think I voted for you. (Did you run for something?! I can't remember [I think was Floquenbeam]!) Happy New York. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 15:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC) p.s. When'r we gonna get paid fer this?!
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Thanks. --Richie Campbell (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC) ClarificationThank you for a thoughtful contribution to arb clarifiction, bolding "Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and redistributed—by anyone". Agree. That arbcom tells Andy how not to create "his" articles is a contradiction to it. (Once an article is there, of course it can be changed and debated by others.) On the Main page now, pictured, by said editor. How did the infobox get in? IP edit. (SPI case, witch hunt mentioned.) A while ago, pictured on the Main page, how did the infobox get in? I asked on the talk, a (then) arb added it. Several more cases, of waste of time, and good for what? It could be so simple. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC) Infobox BradjokeThank you. That was very well done. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:18, 15 January 2014 (UTC) Penguins53The problem has not been properly resolved. Please continue discussion at: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents -- ♣Jerm♣729 01:14, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Another Nail on the Head award for your collection
WP:WADRI'm sorry to have reverted your compromise at WP:WADR. In a different scenario I would think that your edit was a good solution even if I did not agree with it—for example if a discussion had about one third of participants wanting WP:WADR removed and two thirds wanting it as-is, your edit would be a good way of saying that the issue was fairly pointless and now was the time for a compromise. However this case seems to involve one person who is rather too confident of the correctness of their interpretation of what is best for the community, and I think it should be thrashed out to see if anyone supports that view. Johnuniq (talk) 20:56, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi NE Ent. Because you participated in Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 10#The Rfc section in January 2013, you may be interested in Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Transclusion. Best, Cunard (talk) 01:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC) Thank you for your noteLet me think about your request that I delete from my talk page my complaint to the administrative notice board. You are thoughtful. You want to cool off the dispute. You may have noticed that I have rarely deleted anything from my talk page except to correct grammar or spelling. Let me think about deleting the text. I am usually reluctant to delete writing including Mrm's criticisms of me. I guess I am inclined avoid censorship. And I like to have records handy. I will think about your request. It is a thoughtful request. Iss246 (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
??? ResolvedA bunch of stuff seems to have disappeared from the WP:AN board.[1] Any idea what that's about? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:32, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
FYI on WP:AEGSSince I'm 100 words past 500 on the request (more than half against an arbitration), I just want to tell you a) I agree skip all the pixelwork of converting a GS into a DS. And also FYI, that the fact there are community sanctions has come up maybe 6+ times at ANI, BLPN, RSN and a couple have included requests for them against specific editors, but admins have ignored all besides the highly unpopular MM. Won't bother to look up diffs because I'm still itching to do a "kitchen sink" ANI on two editors. (Also see the list of noticeboard visits I put on the request.) I was getting ready to do a Meatpuppet one on all three editors when MM got banned. (See my question here about it here.) This Arbitration request happened because of this discussion on TParis' talk page. TParis said Wikihounding was in the eye of the beholder and asked why I didn't do a WP:ANI on WP:SPS in BLP, and I mentioned others were telling me publicly and privately not to do it and some uninvolved person had to do it. Then A Quest for Knowledge, who read it, got mad on the talk page and started the Arbitration request. Thus we are where we are. I'm still itching, and the evidence piles up day after day, but have to control self while ArbCom debates. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC) You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by February 8, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 01:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC) Move like thisI liked your "maturity" - a rare quality, - one link goes to "awesomely weird". - A new restriction is in the making, as absurd as the former, - like for infinite, there's no comparison, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Let me know......if you ever figure out if you "like this place" or not. The data might come in handy in my own determination. BMK (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2014 (UTC) Unhelpful removalPlease don't remove stuff that others have already commented on.[2] Did you notice I had invited people to add stuff? There was no need for your solicitude for the integrity of my comment. I admit it would have been ideal if Guy had signed and dated his addition of a fifth option, but that omission wasn't as destructive as your removal, after several people had already referred to option 5 in the thread. Also, Guy had put a note about it further down. Your removal has confused the issue, probably beyond retrieval, since you did it silently. (I was scrabbling forever in the hell that is ANI history for where option 5 disappeared. If you had at least used a moderately helpful edit summary..!) Please consider my invitation here to add a signed note in the place where the removed material was. Bishonen | talk 22:24, 29 January 2014 (UTC).
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Re: user renamesHi. Over here you said "If there's a backlog in user renaming, a better solution is identifying existing admins who don't suck and getting them to run." I personally think this comment is a bit shortsighted. There's no good reason only local bureaucrats can rename users. We could give local admins the ability to rename users and that would dramatically kill the backlog. Or better yet, implement self-renaming (i.e., a user can simply go to Special:Preferences and click "change" as they would on Facebook or Twitter or wherever). But what's actually most likely to happen next is that local bureaucrats are going to lose their renaming power to stewards when all Wikimedia wiki user accounts are unified. We should really just eliminate the role of bureaucrats on this wiki and probably most wikis. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:50, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Association FootballThanks for your note, but I think you're looking at the wrong page history. My contributions here have been ongoing for some time. August 2013, going by the page history and this diff. There may be earlier edits, but that one predates the IBAN. Further discussion on the RFC for name change, where I supported the current title. After doing a little research I find that "Soccer" is now deprecated amongst media and sports organisations, accordingly I now support a name change to reflect the changed reality. This seems to be a majority position amongst editors, going by the !vote here. There are some points raised in the discussion immediately preceding, where my position is made quite clear: we should set aside our own personal opinions and look for good sources. My feeling is that whatever I might have called the game fifty years ago as a schoolchild in Victoria, the name has changed, especially over the last few years, Do we have any guidance on where to proceed? My understanding is that both participants to an IBAN are able to participate in !votes for RfCs and so on so long as there is no interaction. I think every editor involved is entitled to a voice in that sort of discussion, and if any editor were to lodge a !vote in the ongoing "Gauge Support" discussion I would not seek to have it removed on a spurious technicality. It is a matter of fairness and commonsense. --Pete (talk) 21:25, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Apologizing...Hello, I would like to apologize to you personally for such rude behavior in the ANI. It's been a while since the subject was last discussed, but if you remember it, I am truly sorry -- Cheers -- ♣Jerm♣729 02:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank youGreetings, although my ban will likely be initiated soon (or sent up to Arbcom) I just wanted to take a moment in my last edits here to thank you for your oppose of my ban. Good luck and happy editing. Kumioko 108.45.104.158 (talk) 03:13, 10 February 2014 (UTC) ThanksThanks for reverting my edit to ANI. Not sure what the hell happened. Best I can figure is I was looking at an older version of the page, as the section I edited was no where to be found after I submitted the edit. o.O — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 16:03, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
No clueWhats up with that. :/ I'm trying to put Voceditenore's edits on today's page, but I keep seeing the one from three days ago! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:04, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
NotesI have some idea but would appreciate hearing your perspective, if you wouldn't mind sharing your Cliffs Notes. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 15:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC) Why?Why did you do this? [3] Why all the hush hush? This is exactly the kind of BS that makes me want to leave WP. --B2C 05:41, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Your requestOne January 19, you wrote on my talk page to ask me to delete from that page an arbitration request. You made your request in the shadow of my dispute with Mrm7171, who was just coming off a suspension. Generally, I don't delete material from my talk page even if the material is embarrassing to me because I generally oppose censorship and like to have an accurate record of exchanges in which I have been involved. In view of your request, and in view of Mrm7171's return to Wikipedia after he was blocked, I wanted to let you do that I deleted (a) the arbitration request and (b) a large section of my talk page that included an angry exchange between Mrm7171 and me. Perhaps this action will turn down the heat. Iss246 (talk) 20:16, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Just to give you the heads up, there are two more about me by the same user under these links created within minutes of each other: ~~ Sintaku Talk 18:17, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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KumiokoIf I may correct you. the very long community discussion was closed with no consensus for a community ban of Kumioko, but he has nonetheless been indef blocked by an admin, and I would expect that block to be enforced, just as every other indef block is. BMK (talk) 01:32, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
HelloHello, I don't believe we've interacted, but I wanted to say, I just now found myself impressed by your judgement and demeanor. Looks like you've been around a while, too. Why aren't you an admin? You seem like the right type to have a couple extra buttons. Friday (talk) 22:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank youI you seem lika decent guy but I really don't know who to trust anymore. Thank you once again.Cowhen1966 (talk) 22:55, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Comment on Arbcom caseHi, NE Ent, I suggest (if you or someone else hasn't), you note in your Arbcom statement that it will be impossible for Toddst1 to log in until January 1, 2015 according to his monobook.js script. While there are workarounds, for someone to implement a script preventing himself to login shows that they mean business. Thanks and good luck! MrScorch6200 (talk | ctrb) 01:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
venustar84 hatI signed the closure with an explanation within, and the user has promised not to post more than one question a day, but has spammed the desks multiple times today. μηδείς (talk) 02:24, 21 February 2014 (UTC) Re: CopernicusPlease provide a link to a prior discussion which established consensus regarding the change of a long-term stable listing of the non English names of Copernicus. See also WP:Consensus. HerkusMonte (talk) 13:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC) Thank you for your messageThank you for your very kindly worded post on my ip's talk page. Fwiw, I used to edit as a registered user, but decided to renounce the privileges you mention following other discouraging episodes (including one in which a user employed a tool to profile my page edit numbers to use as ammunition for unfounded personal attacks on my work in the course of a content dispute). In general I've found that editing as an ip has been a good and interesting experience and that it actually helps keep me out of conflict. Of course, there are also downsides in social terms. However, I have to say that I've generally been impressed by the level of respect I've received while contributing as an ip. Due to character and personal circumstances I've become rather conflict adverse, and whether contributing as a registered user or as an ip I find episodes such as this really get under my skin (ok, granted it would be preferable if I could grow a thicker one, but if only it was that easy...). On the other hand, little acts of kindness such as yours really help repair the hurt. Thank you indeed. I suppose the bottom line is that editing as an ip I know that I can start afresh when I choose, and although my interactions have been permanently recorded, in practice I'm not so easily trackable. I also feel that there's an argument that the ip editorial standpoint can perhaps be useful to Wikipedia, given the inevitable human tendency to be biased by one's own immediate (e.g. corporate) environment. Best wishes, 86.173.146.3 (talk) 14:30, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Your closeSorry if I messed up your close. I was pinged, so wanted to respond, but have now moved the response to the editor's user talk.Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Naw, jump in......the water's great. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 11:42, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Arbitration motion regarding the Toddst1 request for arbitrationThe following motion proposed regarding the Toddst1 request for arbitration has been passed:
For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 15:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC) Since you mention itI noticed you mentioned this recently. I forget the exact context but I apologise unreservedly for the tone of the comment. We are all volunteers and contribute as and when we can. I see your comments and closures at AN/I as more good than bad and I do think you are a net benefit here. I don't always agree with you, and on that occasion I think I was making a valid point, that bureaucrats shouldn't unnecessarily mess with the skilled workers. I miss User:Eric Corbett and I think the project does too. But I didn't need to be so nasty about it, and for that I apologise. --John (talk) 19:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
"Doesn't understand policy"There's a nuance that seems to have been lost on you: certainly, there are valid reasons to have alternate accounts. There are fewer reasons to have undisclosed alternate accounts, but undisclosed alternate accounts are restricted from editing project space: that's specifically a component of WP:ILLEGIT.—Kww(talk) 15:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Colton CosmicWhy do you want to edit anyway? Anyway, I'm more than happy to AGF against losing odds (e.g. at least 10%), but the chances of you get unblocked without finding someone you trust enough to reveal your prior account are, as the mathematicians say, asymptotically approaching zero. Anyway, please don't post here again cause I'd probably then have to deal with a semi protected page. Anyway, you're welcome to email entofwikipedia at gmail dot com, but in the interest of full disclosure, I'm probably unable to do much to help you and I'm about out of wiki time for the foreseeable future ... Best wishes, remember it's just a website and there's more to life than 'pedia. NE Ent 03:05, 5 March 2014 (UTC) RfC
Abuse responseSome time ago you marked the WP:ABUSE project as historical. Where was the discussion that decided to close this project? SpinningSpark 04:16, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
ANI denyI saw Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Sock_puppetry_by_an_admin and I wanted to see what precipitated it. Luckily, Kaldari provided a link, although that was to the initial post, and didn't have subsequent comments in the section. I thought I could easily scroll up and see it, as it happened on 4 March. I was puzzled that I could not find it, as it shouldn't already be archived. I eventually found that you removed it. While I think I understand why you did, and I generally understand the thinking behind removing contributions of sockpuppets to article and article talk pages, I think ANI is different. Some time in the future, there will be another issue regarding Eric. It is not inconceivable that someone will want to reference this incident. If they remember it was Kaldari, they can find it, but if they just recall it involved Eric, they might have trouble finding it. I did a search in the ANI archives for Eric Corbett, and it did not show up (unless I missed it). If it had been closed, and eventfully archived, I believe it would show up. I am considering proposing that we should not delete entries from ANI, even from sockpuppets but close them so they can be archived and found, if needed. Before I do so, I wanted to have a conversation with you, as you are much more active in ANI than I am, and may have some insights I've overlooked.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Arbitration request motion passedAn Arbitration Clarification request motion passed. You contributed to the discussion (or are on the committee or a clerk) The motion reads as follows:
For the Arbitration Committee, --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC) your comment at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/NoticeboardYou wrote "Ya'll are supposed to represent, not replace the committee" but I'm guessing you may have meant "community". —rybec 02:50, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
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It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2014 (UTC) Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:14, 16 March 2014 (UTC) please cut the nonsenseThe hatting was sisgned internally, and the editor reported to ANI. There's no requirement there be a signature for removing such crap in the hat itself. μηδείς (talk) 03:47, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Et tu?Wasn't this unfortunate enough the first time around? Or maybe I should say the second. [6] —Neotarf (talk) 06:38, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Another RfC on namingPlease see the further RfC here.--John (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2014 (UTC) Request for clarificationThe clarification request involving you has been archived. The original comments made by the arbitrators may be helpful in proceeding further. For the Arbitration Committee, Rschen7754 22:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I read your statement, and have some comments. First, not only “administrators” can be authoritarian and holistic; all editors can be classified along the same line. Second, your classification is relevant only for competent persons. Do you want to read more from me? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 19:19, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Bother you again (sorry)NE, any editor can open an ANI against any editor for any reason. (Bogus or not.) And I learned too, any editor can open an RFAR against any editor or any reason. (Bogus or not.) That itself is a problem in my view, but, the problem does not stop there. Those venues end up to be whipping boards, where *anyone* can post any crap and throw any mud whatever, without control or supervision, or any degree of order or fairness, with the sole exception that if someone makes a name-call or doesn't insert the word "behavior" after calling someone a "narcissist", for example, to exepemt their butts from immediate sanction, they might get a block. But never mind that! -- there are perhaps at least 1000 other ways to play uncivil and abuse an editor. And all the more fun if multiple editors attack a single editor simultaneously or in succession. That's the structure around here, unless I've made a mistake about it. (Please correct my understanding if it is wrong.) And if I am not wrong, then I dare say, the structure here for inherent abuse must be one of the most blatant and obvious abusive cesspools in the history of the Internet. (If true, why aren't editors serverly ashamed to continue under such a abuse-saturated structure? [There certainly are some smart people here on WP, so how can the structure be so wildly obviously ... bad??]) My immediate need, is to get admin User:The Bushranger off my back at an ANI (he seems to be quitting his baits and attacking BS at my Talk). But how the H do I implement that??? Can you help or advise. (And explain to me, please!, who decides, and on what basis, whether the purpose of an ANI has been fulfilled, and if fulfilled, when it's closed? Because in my limited experience at the WP, I have seen no pattern and read no guideline re duration. The cesspools remain open, and since the swimming is free, those that like the mud are happy and content to throw mud and bathe in it during the entire operating hours, which has no logical end.) Thanks for answers. (I'm quite disgusted [I'm sure it's obvious].) If this structure description concurs with your belief that yes, that's the way it is, and there are no rules really, and the abuses can go unchecked with the couple easy-to-identify exceptions named above, ... then I surely and really want to take a multi-year wikibreak and come back sometime to see if the place has gained any sanity. (It's quite hard for me to believe, that the "community" here consisting of people, "some even partially educated" [I stole that one from Geoge Carlin!], can sit by and be satisfied with being in and allowing to continue such an abuse-ridden dysfunctional structure. *But*, I am beginning now to believe the unbelievable is actually the case. I'm here just specifiying what I think I'm seeing, for your correction of my view, if it needs correction. The whole idea of "admin for life" is rife with abuse at the word go, but, that is a slightly different topic, but maybe it is somehow central too, I dunno!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:51, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Try to answer the questions in some sort of order: Yes, ANI is often a cesspool. The smart editors deal with that by staying clear of it. I've serendipitously settled in there because I have a rare, iconoclastic wiki talent, which is to be able to ignore folks talking crap about me. You kind of fell for a common wiki tactic -- if you want to go after someone, toss a "sub-sanctionable" insult there way and hope they counter with something you can point at and say "See, I told you they were incivil." (Incidentally, your replies were way over the top in both length and intensity.) I guess it also helps that this isn't my first rodeo -- long before Wikipedia I played in no-rules alt (unmoderated) usenet groups, which make WP at its worse look like a Sunday school picnic. There are no hard rules nor any particular consistency in ANI outcomes; while at the ends, both obviously righteous and lame complaints are handled reasonably, there is a big muddle of gray in the middle; for these, it's often luck of the draw as to who responds first. (i.e. one admin might just warn somebody, another one might block). We give a wide range of latitude to admins because its just not worth the effort to wikilawyer / micromanage every admin action. I think two things most people agree on is that both our civility and creating / removing admin policies could use some work -- but every discussion as to how to do that ends with frustrated editors throwing the towel in because no consensus ever seems to form. It may not seem this way, but the worst of the worst admins do get filtered out, and it's the better admins that make that happen. I firmly believe that real-life is the best antidote to Wikipedia, and encourage everyone to a take a break when they're getting fed up with the nonsense. If you look at my monthly chart [7], you'll see months (like last July) where I just log off and enjoy life for awhile. My drink of choice is craft beer. My of my wiki-wisdom I wrote down in First Law. NE Ent 19:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Edit summaryThanks for commenting. Your edit summary gave me a fright. I am glad you had it the wrong way around and you think the blocks were ok. I take your point and will not bring any more blocks there automatically for review but will encourage others to take up a case there if they feel any future blocks are unfair. Thanks again. --John (talk) 21:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
AutoblockOoops. Thank you! -- TaraInDC (talk) 19:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
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TalkpageGlad you're so busy dealing with really important things. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 16:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC) Apropos of really important thingsOK, let's see if they notice this. Bishonen | talk 19:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC).
Good edithttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWikipediocracy&diff=604872905&oldid=604870911 Edited truly like an Ent. Well done. Begoon talk 13:34, 19 April 2014 (UTC) Barnstar
AN/I should not be closed for that reasonRequest that you reopen Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Request topic ban for chronic POV pushing editor on Electronic cigarette Issue is not just about use of unreliable sources. Please read the thread and investigate the issue. POV pushing, over several months is the main issue. Also suggest that someone runs checkuser on some of those commentators. Lesion 22:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by May 4, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, S Philbrick(Talk) 15:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Rich Farmbrough case clarified The arbitration clarification request, either involving you, or in which you participated (Rich Farmbrough) has resulted in a clarification motion by the Arbitration Committee The Clarification can be found at [[Wikipedia:The arbitration clarification request, either involving you, or in which you participated (Rich Farmbrough) has resulted in a clarification motion by the Arbitration Committee The Clarification can be found at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarifications_by_motion and the complete discussion can be found at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarification_request:_Rich_Farmbrough_.28April_2014.29 For the Arbitration Committee,--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:29, 21 April 2014 (UTC) BushrangerUser:The Bushranger has a nasty habit of accusing without basis, and character defamation based on spurious claims. I would like to hash out the irresponsible things he's written, with a moderator, like so much shredded chicken. But there is no forum for that here on the WP. (So, editors such as he can casually cast such irresponsible aspersions/accusations with abandon. There is no call to backup. It's the lowest form of human organization I can even think of -- but the reality on the Wikipedia.) p.s. I'm unsure and would really like to know in detail what comments he made that you described as "spot on". (Do you care to examine that with me? For I have no faith in the veracity of same.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 13:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
American politics arbitration evidenceHi. You contributed to a recent RFC about this topic area. This message is to notify you that the arbitration proceedings at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics are underway, and evidence about all disruptive edits to articles within this topic is being accepted at the relevant case page. If you wish to submit evidence for the committee to consider in reaching its decision, please do so now. The evidence phase of the case ends soon, and evidence submitted after the deadline may not be considered. Further advice on submitting evidence, and what evidence the committee will accept, is linked at the top of the evidence page. Please contact me or the other drafting arbitrator if you require more time to submit evidence. Thank you. For the Arbitration Committee, AGK [•] 14:11, 10 May 2014 (UTC) QuestionJust a quick question about your edit summary: "Nice try, but that's not going to work." Were you referring to me or Gembres? Rusted AutoParts 03:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
Precious again closings A year ago, you were the 126th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, - thank you also for ad absurdum (look for it on my user page, and no end) - and, more generally, for your exclusive cabal (here is ours), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC) RevertBetween this and last week's HiLo48 & Fram DYK bashing, I'm ready to bring this to Arbcom. Are you sure you have the energy to deal with the drama of reverting me before a consensus has been established since discussion has already begun? I usually respect your cowboy dispute resolution style, not that I always agree, but you're going against Arbcom and WMF mandates on this.--v/r - TP 02:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
You can't be seriousAs the one who started the ban discussion on me and someone who has been in the camp that arbcom did nothing wrong you cannot possibly think its appropriate for you, especially as a non admin, to close that discussion. You have gotten to be shitting me!. Kumiokosock (talk) 23:27, 25 May 2014 (UTC) 1984You wouldn't be able to believe the level of hatred I have for the WP environment (Eric says there is no "culture" but many "cultures" here; OK, so I'm using word "environment" now) -- the abusiveness, hypocriticality, and dumbed-downess in form of policy memes that pass for thinking here. (It's so extreme it's at level of satire. Wikipediocracy may be nasty, but at least there is some intelligence there.) Basically I have several questions, about fundamental fairness and logic (as in, absurd & abusive admin behaviors), and don't know where the fuck to turn to here. (No one gives a shit here. So okay, why should I show any respect then [to any of those fucking admins]!? Does not compute.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC) p.s. I have a real philosophical problem w/ your "No justice" thing, and how it is misused (e.g. so triumphantly by admin Dennis Brown). It is simple to refute: In that context, "justice" = "fairness". (No fairness on the WP!? Can't expect it!? I doubt Jimbo would agree. All or almost all the policy formulations were developed in-line with a target of some level of decency and fundamental fairness. [Just as is RL legal formulations.] It is what users expect and need, otherwise the environment is too hostile and unpredicatable for any editors one could think of, to edit.) WP is no court of law, that's obvious. But neither is "justice" a function of RL legal venue. It is just a terribly imperfectly executed platitude. (So what is the point?) Fundamental fairness is and should remain a "user right". But it is grossly absent at this place. (And, "No justice" thrown around does nothing positive and all negative, effectively institutionalizing "We do what we want because we are admins and one-step-from-anarchy. That's the way it is and that's the way we like it, so fuck off.") What Dennis Brown fails to think on is that "[...] only solutions" is a slippy slope whereby any sanction no matter how grossly or blatently unfair is justified under said umbrella. (Here's another meme that is thoughtless at WP: can't mention "Nazi", that's "automatically verboten". Why? For example, could anyone be able to say with any intellectual honesty how "No justice; only solutions" wouldn't equally work if WWII Germany used that meme to justify the Holocaust? But by virture of use of term "Nazi", of course of course the very thought of that Q is invalidated, and probably deserves sanction as well, according to standard WP "thinking". [Gawd.]) The craziness at ANI/AN with anyone dishing out their prejudices and abuses in the name of wiki-process, is self-evident bad and repelling; I don't need to criticize it. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi NE Ent. Regarding your closure of an RfC here you suggested that you may be casting a "super-vote" and invited challenging your super-vote at AN. Taking it to the drama boards seems unnecessary, but since the votes in the RFC were exactly tied and you identified it as a "no consensus" discussion, wouldn't it be more on-target to close it as "no consensus" rather than the super-vote? Also, you said in the close that you didn't see a better way to name the section, but several editors provided some specific ideas on how to rename it to something more neutral. Sorry I'm bringing this up three months later. I'm trying to shrink the number of articles where I have a COI, but have not brought the page up to Good Article status. Since there is no consensus on anything on this page and I cannot edit boldly, I'm not sure I'll ever be able to bring it up to GA. But I might poke around and see if there is an opportunity for improving the page now. CorporateM (Talk) 16:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I was inspired by [11] and created that. Legoktm (talk) 23:41, 27 July 2014 (UTC) PXE new editing.Hi NE Ent, the toughest part is already done; It might need a bit more polishing but I think the issues of lack of verifiability, no original research, and neutral point of view have been addressed. The article now follows the PXE specification in simple terms and it puts the standard in a time context establishing the relationship with its ancestors, sibling, and descendants. I think it's a good starting point for people interested in adding complementary information if needed. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks Pxe 213 37 84 214 (talk) 19:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
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Your close at ANIHi, NE Ent. Welcome back to editing. I see you have closed one of the voting sections at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/User:Kumioko ban review. Since you were involved in the original dispute, I wish you would reconsider this. Since there were multiple questions about the legitimacy of the closure of the case you brought against Kumoioko previously, the current consensus is to have a panel of several admins do the close and to let the discussion run for a longer period of time, . Please note specifically that WP:CBAN requires the close to be done by an uninvolved administrator. As far as I know, you are neither. I am anxious that this matter be resolved in a way that appears to be fair to all parties, the situation has gone on long enough. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
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On assuming good faithI really don't think you're helping BlueSalix by offering your theory that "The AGF explanation is someone spoofed some emails as coming from Cwobeel" on his page, but I don't want to further embarrass the guy by refuting it in place, so I'll comment on it here, on this (at this moment) hopefully less high profile page. Please feel free to remove it when read. How exactly would spoofed e-mails, that BlueSalix thought were from Cwobeel, have prevented him from forwarding the e-mails, as he was so urgently requested to do, full headers and all, like, oh, I don't know, on 14 June? You will be aware of the timeline, since I'm sure you will have read the ANI thread carefully before opining, and won't need diffs (it's all in that thread). This is how it goes: on 13 June, BlueSalix accused Cwobeel of having sent three abusive e-mails containing "a string of vitriol". On 14 June there were vehement and upset denials from Cwobeel and requests from various people to forward the e-mails to Dennis Brown, to myself, or to ArbCom, and on that date there were also various evasions from BlueSalix (to Cwobeels pleas, BlueSalix said for example that he won't "empower power games" or "go off chasing down a wild conspiracy theory", was refusing to have the e-mails investigated in the interest of deescalation, etc). On 15 June, BS posted further, fairly copiously, before falling silent. In other words, there was a lot of evasion and foot-shuffling from BS before he went on break. Are you saying AGF is a suicide pact after all? And did you see the mysterious "redacted" header BlueSalix provided on ANI where the sender was given as Mosfetfaser, not Cwobeel? Perhaps BlueSalix originally misread "Mosfetfaser" as "Cwobeel"? Might that be the AGF explanation? (When I asked about it, I only got more handwaving.) Your interventions now fit with your original suggestion in June that Cwobeel had no business asking for the matter to be investigated and it was up to BlueSalix to ask for an investigation if he wanted to. (I thought at the time, and I still think, that's the kind of thing that can easily make users (=Cwobeel) leave in bitterness.) So in a way I'm not surprised at your demeanour now, it's consistent between June and August. But in another way I'm pretty surprised altogether. Also I think you are if anything delaying closure for the unfortunate BlueSalix further. If it wasn't for that consideration (closure for BS, and to stop people talking about him, so he can put it behind him) I'd quite like for you to start a user RFC abut my capricious and arbitrary use of admin tools. Admin abuse is a serious matter. Bishonen | talk 12:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC).
Obviously, that doesn't preclude me from speaking up when I think you're wrong about a particular situation. I'm not particularly interested in helping BlueSalix per se. (In fact, at this point I think it's likely he's just gone, and I'm not terribly hopeful we can get him back.) What I can about is the encyclopedia -- and with only 115,958 active editors and 6,940,504 articles, we need all the help we can get, and for me, that means accepting all the imperfect humans who get angry, react too quickly, misinterpret other editors poorly phrased statements what have you. Because if we get rid of all the imperfect humans, who's left to edit? For at least a couple years I've been using the factoid there are a quarter million [13] articles tagged as totally unreferenced -- and the depressing part is in the time I've been using that link, the number (with rounding) hasn't changed. To some of the specifics you address. First of all, you lost me at "urgently." This is just a website, a hobby for many of us. ISIS in the mideast is urgent, Boko Harum in Nigeria is urgent, the milliseconds after some moron adult hands a 9-year girl an Uzi -- those things are urgent. Having expended a chunk of my life with 2,400 ANI, 1,000 WQA, and 700 AN edits [14], I've become so convinced that a whole amount of drama could have been avoided if folks just slowed down I made it a key part of my user name (Ent -- who famously hated hasty). If an editor like BlueSalix or anyone else goes off wiki in the midst of drama -- as long as it's real and they're not socking -- I think they should be rewarded. I'll tell you straight up that if I don't periodically real-life for a decent chunk of time (e.g. a 7 edit July) -- I'd have turned into one of those ranters who inevitably gets indef'ed. Your timeline above is correct but, I'm going to argue, incomplete. Specifically, on 13 June another admin closed the discussion. While ANI discussions are much like the knife fight in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid ("There's no rules in a knife fight."), there's at least a meme when a thread is closed and not reverted, the matter is considered resolved. I'm not saying you were wrong to follow up, but that more patience would have been of greater benefit for the encyclopedia. The fiction that blocks are non-punitive, harmless actions is simply that, a fiction. Blocks are permanent black marks on an editor, continually dragged up whenever an editor gets in a future scuffle. My only goal here has been to resolve a situation -- an incredibly stupid situation regarding the imperfect changing of an imperfect phrasing -- with two active editors (C and BSalix) ending with two active editors. It's possible you're correct that a failure to keep BSalix accountable could lead to the loss of C, but that's not obvious to me. Certainly I can't agree there was any urgency -- Blue was not taunting C or pursuing the debate or anything like that. Finally, I don't know whether you mean "admin abuse" in the sense of admin's abusing editors, or admin's being abused by editors, but it doesn't matter -- I don't consider it a serious matter, particularly as both versions are (unfortunately) mundanely common on en-wp. (Having been previously employed in a couple authority roles, I learned long ago that "abuse" directed towards me was almost never really about me, it was about the role I was occupying.) Over-the-top abuse, or misuse of admin tools, of course, needs to be addressed, but that hasn't occurred here. While I think your admin action wasn't the best, for reasons I've tried to explain as best I can, it certain falls well within the envelope of discretion rightfully allowed admins, so there will be no AN / ANI / RFCU / arbcom actions initiated by me. The only thing I might have done is try to persuade another admin to unblock BSalix, but at this point I don't think it's worth burning either my limited wiki-time or political capital pursuing the matter any further. (If BlueSalix resumes editing, I might change my mind, of course). NE Ent 17:07, 30 August 2014 (UTC) Thank you......for your part in extending the double-standard, the hypocrisy, which I pointed out on ANI. P.S. Don't post on my talk page again, for any reason, even to apologize. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:16, 1 September 2014 (UTC) Case Opened: Banning PolicyYou recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning Policy. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning Policy/Evidence. Please add your evidence by September 16, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning Policy/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Seddon talk 12:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC) Thank you (not sarcastic)Thank you for posting the correct motion statement to the AN board. You pointed out that Sedon hadn't and I 'd considered posting the verbatim statement they'd made, but decided against it. So thank for doing it, their verbatim decision looked a lot different from what was originally posted. KoshVorlon Angeli i demoni kruzhyli nado mnoj 16:31, 3 September 2014 (UTC) Speedy deletion declined: User:MalekhalaylaHello NE Ent. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Malekhalayla, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Just userboxes, don't bite the newbies. Thank you. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 06:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC) Long overdueHowdy. Just wanna thank ya for your May 2013 comments at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee, concerning the then barring of my talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 20:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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Minor noteThanks. I mean it. --Lecen (talk) 16:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC) PleaRe this plea, a case request must remain open at least 48 hours, with some exceptions that do not apply to the Wheel warring case. It hasn't yet been 48 hours, but clerks are watching.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
You were mentionedYou were mentioned here regarding the hasty ban on Ihardlythinkso. KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 20:09, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Formal mediation has been requestedThe Mediation Committee has received a request for formal mediation of the dispute relating to "RT Network". As an editor concerned in this dispute, you are invited to participate in the mediation. Mediation is a voluntary process which resolves a dispute over article content by facilitation, consensus-building, and compromise among the involved editors. After reviewing the request page, the formal mediation policy, and the guide to formal mediation, please indicate in the "party agreement" section whether you agree to participate. Because requests must be responded to by the Mediation Committee within seven days, please respond to the request by 27 October 2014. Discussion relating to the mediation request is welcome at the case talk page. Thank you. the DP discussionAm I allowed to edit the "Desired outcome" as one of those named? There's really only one outcome I desire, that's #1, DP will resign his administrator privilege. There's no "or". Glad you figured out how to call the question. I tried to figure out how any ordinary mortal could institute a recall for an admin, spent a fair amount of time searching the WP: namespace for an answer, then gave up. Msnicki (talk) 18:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
You did a good thing to raise these concerns so that they can finally be resolved. Multiple editors are following up. To avoid personalizing the dispute, you can just step back and watch. You did your part, now relax and watch as your colleagues finish the job. I predict that one of three things will happen within 48 hours: (1) DP will accept the criticism and undertake to be much more polite going forward, (2) pressure will continue to increase and he will be forced to resign straight away, or (3) things will muddle along and a new RFCU will be filed. Given the discussions that are going on, I think that RFCU will be a lot more critical than the first one. If you don't mind, I will continue to defer your request to undelete the first RFCU page. Jehochman Talk 00:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Eats Shoots and LeavesMsnicki certified issues different from yours: you talked about things such as his username, his use of "fuck off", and his block of Beeblebrox, while Msnicki talked about a separate incident, a single block. Once again, since editors must certify that both addressed the same issue with the person, and since you and Msnicki did not do this, the RFC/U will not be undeleted. Nyttend (talk) 12:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Request for mediation rejectedNotice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussionHello, NE Ent. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is RT (TV Network)...neutral feedback desperately needed!.The discussion is about the topic neutrality of lede. Thank you. --Kenfree (talk) 22:37, 31 October 2014 (UTC) The request for formal mediation concerning RT Network, to which you were listed as a party, has been declined. To read an explanation by the Mediation Committee for the rejection of this request, see the mediation request page, which will be deleted by an administrator after a reasonable time. Please direct questions relating to this request to the Chairman of the Committee, or to the mailing list. For more information on forms of dispute resolution, other than formal mediation, that are available, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. For the Mediation Committee, User:TransporterMan (talk) 12:56, 28 October 2014 (UTC) DPStart here. I've done everything I can here and once again achieved nothing. A high school teacher once told me I suffered from overunderdoggerism. Nothing's changed, I guess, except that I've gotten better at accepting that there are some things and people I cannot change and that I am happier thinking about those I can. Good luck. Msnicki (talk) 22:13, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 I shall have limited access to wiki for the next week or so, due to real life stuff. Good stuff. Nothing to do with anything on wiki. NE Ent 00:22, 7 November 2014 (UTC) Please don't think I'm mad at you for suggesting this....You may have already thought about it, or not: an Arb run. Getting 50%+1 is a no brainer for you, and I honestly think that making the cut is more likely than not. I also see some value in having a non-admin as Arb, particularly when it comes to restoring trust and demonstrating equity within the community. When it comes to admin-like experience in a non-admin, you would up there at the top of the list. Anyway, not trying to talk you into it, just noting there is some value in the idea. Even if they forced you to RFA before actually getting the advanced tools, I think you would be safe. I tend to think the process itself would justify giving the tools while you were Arb, even if they took them back afterwards. Was curious to know if you had given it thought. Dennis - 2¢ 00:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Stalkers...153 watchers? There must be some seriously bored folks around here if you find this page worth watching ... anyway, about to go real life and would appreciate someone keeping an eye on this ip. They're probably done playing but just in case... NE Ent 21:16, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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Arbitration case request you filed has been openedYou were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 3, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC) What do you think of my evidence? Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Evidence. I imagine you might need time to come up with a 1000 word statement, and I'll be interested to see it when you post. As a non-party I'm stuck with a 500 word limit. Best regards, Jehochman Talk 17:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Potshot?Which are you referring to? Andrevan@ 04:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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FYI... Regarding your recent reopening of the thread "BOOMERANG - John Carter" thread at 04:27,[16] you should be made aware that I previously signed and closed the report at 01:40.[17] However, the thread OP, Demiurge1000, removed my closing comments and sig at 01:52.[18] Viriditas (talk) 06:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC) ThanksFor proving me wrong that you weren't one of the ochlocrats (as it seemed to me from your first comment) I was hoping to avoid and for your change of !vote with consideration of its importance to me or those editing with me. A public thankyou was in order. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Re: Advice and suggestionHey NE Ent! You're right, it is the WikiCup offseason now. The one thing I'm doing now is trying to expand the article What Child Is This? in my sandbox. Once I get that to DYK in time for Christmas, I'm going to actually be off for the next three weeks due to exams and essays. That means no major edits, or any expansions or discussions during that time. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:10, 28 November 2014 (UTC) SorrySeems we step on eachother on ANI and my edit deleted yours unintentionally. I only noticed it when I saw at my watchlist saying my edit was (-540) when it should be positive as I added a comment. Apologies, and best regards. FkpCascais (talk) 23:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
revdel (outing) neededNo action will be forthcoming from me — an oversighter got there first and agreed with you, so I can't do anything. Nyttend (talk) 02:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC) QuestionHi, NE. Well, you've certainly been a reasonable person with which to discuss things and collaborate, so I take your suggestions very seriously. I hope it's not improper to ask about this one, since I'm sure you have a well-thought-reason for wanting the elimination of the tag-team evidence. Where I'm confused is the dilution rationale. I do believe it's inappropriate for one admin to go on another one's talk page and answer for that other admin. Because then when both admins go together to an editor's page in lockstep, they make it appear as if more points of views are being represented rather than their single point of view. It's a form of ganging up. Be that as it may, it's a very short paragraph, and my evidence is very succinct in comparison to most others'. If I'm not putting you out or asking too much of your time, would it be alright to ask how it would be dilution as opposed to "an additional thing on top of the main things"? Again, I value your word or I would not take my own time and effort and ask for elucidation. I just want to make sure that whatever I do, I have a reason for it that's clear in my own mind. Thank you for everything, --Tenebrae (talk) 16:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
MiscHi Ent, I made ref to two admins in my Evidence re DP case, I never know whether such refs s/b linked/ping'd or not. (I do not want to entice their responses and "get into" anything w/ them [tho if they want a fight anywhere, anytime, OK].) Also I'm open to input re shaving my Evidence (but I felt, it could have been 10 times longer easily; reading of others' experiences w/ this user ref'd even in his first April 2009 RfA, quite frankly, makes me feel sickly [both over the blatant unchecked belligerencies that are a history of this editor, and the fact WP allows such admins to continue with it w/o an Act of Congress to put an end). Anyway, much thx for starting that RfAR. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 17:16, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Ee Jeeva Ninagagi - another infobox-only stubThe problem continues. How can we encourage this editor to start to include some text in their new stubs? And preferably a source, too. Any thoughts? You were one of the three editors at ANI who seemed to understand the problem. (I'll also leave this message with Drmies and Noyster). PamD 12:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC) Some thoughts:
WP:ANIThat's why you gotta be careful with those non-admin closures. Having the ability to back up your threats means you can be more black-and-white. :) -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm done -- too nastyI'm done commenting on the DP case (unless someone lobs another ad hominem PA at me personally). Some observations: 1) Jehochman's thinking seems polluted by combination IDHT + unrecognized bias. 2) He doesn't understand the case because he clearly thinks losing tools requires a sufficiently high percentage of misused tool application. (He s/ ask Kafziel.) 3) There's no shortage of ad hominem upchucking. (I presume is symptomatic of "We're losing one of ours!!"-sort of desperation.) 4) There're numerous encouragements at DP's Talk encouraging him to respond. As I mentioned to him earlier I do not think he is capable of representing himself without harming himself further. (It seems to me therefore his encouragers do not see the extent of the problem.) 5) If he is not desysop'd then Arbcom will be unleashing him again, no doubt emboldened (ala: "If Arbcom thought there was a problem they would have desysop'd me. They didn't. Case closed. Consensus has sided against you. You need to WP:DROPTHESTICK. One more word from you in this vein and I'll block you for disruption. You're lucky you got me because any other admin would have blocked you already. And frankly it looks like you're teetering on a site-ban. I have faith you'll listen up because you're smart and that's why I've always liked you as editor. I'm trying to help you return to productive editing, can't you see that? You're welcome!"). 6) And what's with this "balanced" thing?! (That if an Evidence presentation is not "balanced" it is somehow deficient. I've read the Evidence instructions and see no requirement or even suggestion like that for parties. BLP articles require balance. It's Arbcom's job to deliver balanced rulings in cases. [When I return something to Walmart, I'm prepared to tell Cust Serv what's defective about a product or how it didn't meet my needs or expectations. I don't give them a "balanced presentation". It's up to them to balance their considerations when deciding to re-shelve the item or even stock it to begin with.]) Merry Xmas. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 05:04, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
IHTSO, Msnicki -- let's stay focused on the big picture. This edit of mine [23] was a mistake I've stricken and requested the case clerk remove, if possible. The purpose of the page is for each of us to make our best cast to the drafting arbitrators as to what the proposed decision should be. Jehochman is entitled to make their argument, and make it forcefully -- the drafters and/or case clerk will address any excesses. NE Ent 14:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC) Even reviewing the comments on DangerousPanda's talk page; I'm not seeing a significant argument that the conduct has been acceptable, more that if DangerousPanda acknowledges that, the committee might approve a remedy short of desysop. I've already stated my opinion and reasoning on the Workshop page. Hovering over Mr. X's evidence, approximately half the links are to WP:AN, with four thousand watchers [24], or WP:ANI with six thousand [25]. So this behavior has been in plain sight, and the overall community did little to nothing (although obviously, some of us have tried). So, while the validation of our complaints is reassuring, the time for community feedback has passed. At this point, it is the opinion of eleven specific editors that is most important; I'm going to focus my intention there. NE Ent 02:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC) As for the rest of it, editors are entitled to their opinions, but the community has endorsed contributing the encyclopedia in ways other than mainspace contributions -- there's even a shortcut: WP:NOTNOTHERE. I documented my approach that three years ago in Other duck. I've always considered the shift to ad homimen modality -- very common in dispute resolution space -- as an indication parties do not have policy, diffs, or anything else substantive to add to their argument, so it reflects far more on them than me. Regarding mainspace edits -- Barney has 5,400 / 57% mainspace edits[26]. He was here to build the encylopedia. DPs mismanagement of a conflict over a very minor article has resulted in Wikipedia losing (at least for now), a valuable contributor. Finally -- I expect the off topic comments and ad homimens will pick as the case moves the Proposed Decision stage. The purpose of that page should be clear in our minds: six votes. Squabbling with others just clouds the discussion, so I'm not planning to any squabbling myself. NE Ent 03:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC) Resolving a conflictI realize that I've got some simmering conflict with you and want to try to work it out. If you don't mind, can we chat about this briefly? My concern is that you don't seem to spend a lot of time lately in the trenches writing content. Neither do I in recent years, but a while back I spent considerable time writing articles, long painful FA's like gamma ray burst. I remember how hard and frustrating the work can be, and how vexing it was when somebody cames along and destroyed something I spent weeks to write, or left a lengthy criticism of my work (@SandyGeorgia:). My proposal to you is that we go work together on an article so that we can better understand how other editors feel and see what they experience. What do you think? (reading the section above I add:) I respect that there are many different ways to contribute; article writing isn't the only measure of worth. However, article writing is central, and all of us who do other things should try to do at least some article writing so we can better empathize with those who suffer its unique frustrations. Jehochman Talk 03:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Nice commentI just noticed this comment. I think it shows real insight. If you ever go crazy and want admin privileges, I think I would support your RfA. Meantime, keep up the good work, and keep thinking deep thoughts. --John (talk) 23:46, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't answer other editors for meEspecially if you do so with condescending crappola that I would never write as evidenced below. Sorry that you were sacrificed in the process but your efforts weren't wasted. The Becky Bell article is now a hell of a lot better than it was before you began working on it. Hang in there! 131.109.225.24 (talk) 17:19, 8 December 2014 (UTC) Thank you for you kind words --BoboMeowCat (talk) 23:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
That wasn't the intent, sorry. In 20/20 hindsight I agree it appears I was answering for you. I've refactored the page to clarify I was responding to a post BobMeowCat made on another editor's talk page. NE Ent 22:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC) User talkpages privillagesSame situation, see my block-log. It's good to see that Carol will be treated better then I was, when her 1-year waiting period expires :) GoodDay (talk) 02:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Vince193Thanks for replying. Fair enough. I'll refrain from adding anymore fuel. The only point I want to make is that I don't fully understand what merging means. I wrote my article with no knowledge of his. Another person from a separate website pointed me in the direction of his after I was finished the main body and I took the bottom stats box and person's middle name from it since I didn't know how to make my own. The main article itself is quite different from what he has in his page. He didn't "merge it" He deleted mine and whatever appears on his doesn't have the information mine did.Vince193 (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes. The initial one that appears on the revision history, where it mentions that page had been created, is all my work. If you notice there is no stat box at the bottom and the player in question has no middle name listed. I don't know what he did but the main body of my article is completely different from his. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince193 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
All right. Thanks. Just for further clarification. Can users stake a claim on articles? I made mine just by using the "create page" with no knowledge of his. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince193 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
don't trimplease don't trim articles based on your manner Alipoor90 (talk) 23:10, 14 December 2014 (UTC) Formatting questionHi... Thankfully I have almost zero AE experience but it's time I learned a little about the mechanics. Specifically, can you point to any especially good examples of the format and packaging whereby involved parties requested boomerang enforcement against the filing party, or cross-enforcement against other commenters? Thanks in advance. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Proposed decision posted for DangerousPanda arbitration caseThis is a courtesy notice to inform you that the proposed decision DangerousPanda arbitration case has been posted. Relevant comments are welcome on the proposed decision talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC) Seasonal Greets!
Please notice that the material is long standing and the debate is going onPlease notice that the debated material Allies of World War II is long standing and the debate is going on you do not just remove the disputed text when the talk page discussion is going on. --E-960 (talk) 23:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC) Seasonal Greets!
Please notice that the material is long standing and the debate is going onPlease notice that the debated material Allies of World War II is long standing and the debate is going on you do not just remove the disputed text when the talk page discussion is going on. --E-960 (talk) 23:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC) 0RRDid you see my reply at WT:Edit warring#0RR? My comment is not important, but the case was extremely unusual and a worry IMHO. Johnuniq (talk) 09:30, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
WP:PERM RequestYour WP:PERM request has been completed. — xaosflux Talk 22:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
QuestionDP has said a couple of times now that you were specifically aware that he would be gone for a month before you filed your arbitration request. I cannot find anywhere where DP or ESL said anything of the sort on wiki, particularly to you, but really to anyone. Before I make a comment about this, did you get an email or something from him to this effect? Or do you know of somewhere that he said this on-wiki, and I missed it (although I looked pretty thoroughly)? --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't edit my commentsDon't edit my comments anywhere on Wikipedia, ever. If you have a problem with something I've said, ask me to fix it, because I'm generally good natured about such requests. Thank you. Jehochman Talk 03:04, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Happy Holidays!Seasonal Greets!
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of {{U|Technical 13}} to all registered users whom have commented on his talk page. To prevent receiving future messages, please follow the opt-out instructions on User:Technical 13/Holiday list This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedy has been enacted: 1.1) For his violations of the standards of conduct expected of administrators, DangerousPanda (talk · contribs) is desysopped. He may regain the tools at any time via a successful request for adminship. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:03, 26 December 2014 (UTC) Bog-standard'Common' 'Unremarkable' 'without note' etc. Its etymology is uncertain. It is generally used to indicate something is run-of-the-mill... And I dont know where that one comes from either. Regards. Only in death does duty end (talk) 18:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
How do you do it?You've participated in so many AN/I discussions (that you weren't the subject of) and you're still alive! Nice! You must have a high level of tolerance and patience. Anyway, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :) --AmaryllisGardener talk 23:14, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
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