User talk:Mursel/Archive 1
selamun aleykumMerhaba, Ben bir Avşar Türküyüm. Mesajını bir arkadaşımın sayfasından okudum. Bir sorunun olursa, yardım istemekten çekinme dostum. Image Tagging for Image:Kish_Church.jpgThanks for uploading Image:Kish_Church.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the source and creator of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the source and creator of the image on the image's description page, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided source information for them as well. For more information on using images, see the following pages: This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see User talk:Carnildo/images. 09:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC) Image Tagging for Image:Mosque_in_Baku.jpgThanks for uploading Image:Mosque_in_Baku.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the source and creator of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the source and creator of the image on the image's description page, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided source information for them as well. For more information on using images, see the following pages: This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see User talk:Carnildo/images. 11:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC) Image tag hint: things you may have takenHi Baku87, one more suggestion for photos you're uploading with your permission. As I mentioned on the Azeri Wikiproject page, you always need to add a tag in addition to your link to your own permission page. If you ever upload a picture that you took, you can add {{cc-by-sa-2.5}} to the bottom, or one of the very wide variety on this page: Wikipedia:Image copyright tag. -- Bobak 18:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Azeri projectBaku87 , Thanks for your message on my discussion page. Nice to see this kind of organized efforts going on behaf of our millions. The over all partisipation of Azeries from North and specially South Azerbajan does not seem to be very high. Hopefully with the availability of internet this change. Sağolun PS:If had a time visit Azeri Vikipedia. Mehrdad 13:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
С Праздником!Thats great but what did we win? Baku87 07:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)Baku87
I know about Azerbaijan her role in the WOII, the Battle of Stalingrad was also about Baku. Your right but man 20 million comrades died and half of them were civilians, that was a damn high price to pay. My grandfather and his brother also fought in the war, my grandpa was a tankcommander during the war and he lost his arm and all his best friends, his brother was a spy in Spain but he suddenly got lost in Spain and was never found or heard of him again. Do you know anyone personal who experienced the war, maybe you would like to tell me about him or her? Also Kuban maybe we should make some sort of a stub of this star for all the former Soviet Republic members what do you think? Baku87 17:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)Baku87
Thanks for sharing your story very interessting, you have a real kick ass grandfather, but then again you Cossacks always have been fighter people havent you. Baku87 16:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Baku87 Photo copyrights (again)Hi Baku87, the photos you are uploading with the tag that you have given permission to have it used off of your website have me wondering if you had the right to use them on your website to begin with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Khojaly_survivor.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Khojaly_Genocide.jpg (among others) are scanned from a magazine and in black and white, respectively. Did you actually take these photos? Did you get permission from the photographers to use them? They are clearly not old enough to have had the copyright expire. Please clarify this issue, as I am tempted to put a tag for removal due to copyright violation. Now personally, I am sure that the authors would not mind your using them on this site, but that is not the same as actually giving permission. --RaffiKojian 02:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC) I know you would love nothing else then to see these pictures to be removed but all the pictures are from my own site and I have already dealt with that issue. All the pictures are from the Heydar Aliyev Foundation were I have permission to use their materials. I already dealt with this once and all my pictures got removed, later I was able to proof them that I have permission.Baku87 13:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)Baku87
No worries, Bobak. I certainly know how WP can make one a bit cynical at times! --RaffiKojian 02:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC) No problem, by the way Bobak thanks for helping me out with the licence issue. Baku87 18:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)Baku87
Hello from GeorgiaHi. I just wanted to say thanks for voting on the Wikipedia Project/Georgia topic and for your contributions to Wikipedia. It would be good if we can work together to standardize some of the pages about the Caucasus just to give the readers a better idea about the region in general. With Best Regards, D.Papuashvili 17:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikiproject AzeriHi, thanks, I'm also looking forward to work in this project--Hattusili 21:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Completely apolitical copyright requestHi Baku, I don't have any business at all on the Caucasus articles, though I do know that contributers like you have been doing a good job on them. Please don't take what I am saying as the result of any hidden agenda! I have been getting wound up by a range dodgy, dubious, and false copyright claims all over Wikipedia, and now I have found by chance a couple of your pictures which are (I am sure) completely legitimate but which look just as bad on first discovery. You need to cover your back a little better :-) Image:Khojaly Genocide.jpg, for instance, has a "rights irrevocably removed tag" used on it, so at least it is tagged, and you source it to your own website, which is also a good step. The critical thing is that you still haven't shown that you had the right to put it on your own website. If I took any image I wanted, put it on my geocities site, then pointed a link to it from Wikipedia to show how "mine" it was, nobody would take me seriously. Of course, I believe you haven't actually done that, but it looks no different to an outside observer (like the overworked and wikistressed-out people who run the images for deletion and copyright violations pages - they do a fantastic job, against very hard odds, trying to keep this encyclopedia as genuinely "free" as possible, and in return get a lot of grief from people whose photos get deleted). If you are using the material on your website by permission, then you ought to say so (this is what happens in Wikipedia when we use media material from a 3rd party who licensed it to us after a request for permission - records are kept of the emails and they are available for display). One place you ought display this is the "permission" page on your own website. Another is actually on your uploaded files themselves (because your website may not be there forever, but Wikipedia should be!). But take care: you clearly are not the owner of the images if you are just using them by permission, unless you have actually had ownership transferred to you as well. You need to publish very clearly the exact terms you have been allowed to use those media under. If somebody has just licensed them for use on Wikipedia, they have to be deleted (per Jimbo Wales - "Wikipedia-only" permissions are no longer acceptable), and similarly if they were licensed specifically for your site. If they genuinely have had "all rights released" then (and only then) is the current template correct, though it wouldn't be correct to say the uploader is the owner. If you need to go back and ask for wider permission, you may be able to get the pictures released under a slightly more restrictive license instead (like GFDL or Creative Commons). Anyway, you really must publish the exact terms of the license that was granted so it is possible to check which template to be used. And it would help very much if you could show that the person you are negotiating with actually is the owner of the copyright! Please remember: images and other media are guilty until proven innocent because there's really no other way round it can be. If you are making a claim that those works no longer have copyright restrictions on them, then you need to prove it - it's not for a would-be deleter to prove the other way round. Even though we assume good faith (and I am 100% definitely assuming good faith - after all the effort you've been through, it would be weird for you to be deliberately uploading material you know you don't have the rights to) it's true that a lot of people (in good faith) get the law wrong, so we delete it anyway. It doesn't matter how many people vote in your support to say your faith is good - claiming that something that clearly (under normal circumstances) belongs to someone else is actually yours to give away is something you need good evidence to back yourself up with. It's a bit like being caught handing out the crown jewels to poor children... a very worthy act, and 100% legitimate if the King had privately decided to give them to you to do what you will with, but you shouldn't be surprised if people who weren't in the room at the time demand to know exactly what the King ("if you ever met him at all", say they) did tell you you could do with the jewels, and not believe your word for it. And in this wiki, there will be people (and you have met them and they have probably annoyed the hell out of you) asking those questions not because they have any deep moral desire to uphold the laws of property, but because they don't want certain things to get out into the public eye. You're doing yourself, and the wider world that wants and needs to see these things for ourselves, a great favour if you take the care to get those copyright statuses dealt with thoroughly and publicly, so all can see and nobody can criticise or take them away. Simply a bona fide and agendaless request, TheGrappler 14:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Image at Azerbaijani peopleHi Baku, I noticed you changed the image back. The problem is, we need to have an Iranian Azeri in the picture, and most editors agree that we should have Khamenei. Perhaps you could raise your concerns on the talk page before changing the image again, thanks. —Khoikhoi 22:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Image of Khojaly MassacreBaku, do you have a higher quality image showing/symbolizing the Khojaly massacre than the current one we have on the Nagorno-Karabakh war article? If so, then we should upload it to the article.--MarshallBagramyan 04:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Azerbaijani peopleHello Baku. Thanks for the welcome! I believe Grandmaster contacted you, or will soon, about some great pictures you have that we could use for the article. I specified which pictures I believe (4 of them) would look great in the Azeris article. Let me once they're uploaded and ready to be put into the article. Cheers. Tombseye 21:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
QuestionHi, do you have any images that you could upload of the village Xınalıq? I'd like to start an article about it. BTW, I hope there are no hard feelings about the dispute we got in over the image. Ciao. —Khoikhoi 18:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
These are pretty good pictures but Im getting a error everytime I try to upload: The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file. Any suggestions?Baku87 17:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Baku87 Ök I solved the problem, it seemed that wikimedia is discriminating the word Xinaliq :P I wasnt able to upload when the picture was named Xinaliq, but its fixed now, see the pics at:
BTWThe term "Iranian Azerbaijan" should be used rather than "South Azerbaijan" as the latter is too political, while the former is purely geographic. —Khoikhoi 20:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
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HeyHey, Baku, I'm an Armenian and I've come to wish you good will. Hopefully, this whole Karabakh conflict will be resolved someday. I found this online. Have you heard it before? -- Clevelander 22:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the picture you put up in AzerisHello Baku. Nice picture you put up in Azeris, but can you identify who the couple are specifically? The source just goes to the Torino Olypmics and I couldn't find the couple. If you could put in their names that would help a lot. Thanks! Tombseye 14:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to moan about copyright yet again (see above... I put in a reply) but Image:Sattar Khan.jpg and Image:TabrizRevolutionaries.JPG seem to have the wrong copyright tag on it. The one you have used only works if you can prove the photographer died before 1905. Since the photographer isn't identified, and given the historical information available, this seems highly unlikely. Copyright goes back a long, long time in some instances. It is possible these are public domain for another reason but "photographer died 100 years ago" will almost certainly not be it :) TheGrappler 01:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
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Nakhichevan photographsHey Baku, how are those Nakhichevan photographs coming along? I'm enthusiastic to see them. -- Clevelander 20:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Azerbaijan SSR State AnthemHey Baku, I'm working on translating the Soviet state anthems of the republics from the South Caucasus. So far, I've been able to track down or translate the Georgian and Armenian anthems, but I've had no luck with the one from Azerbaijan (a really enjoyable and energetic piece, in my opinion). If it wouldn't be any trouble could you translate it from Azeri to English? The article can be found here: Anthem of Azerbaijan SSR Thanks! -- Clevelander 02:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
HiHey Baku, First off, welcome back. :) I have to say however that I reverted your edit to Azerbaijani people because they appeared to be valid articles relating to the subject. Remember that Wikipedia should include all POVs, including that of the Iranian government. ;) —Khoikhoi 06:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
copyvio?Can you look pnto the Talk:History_of_religions_in_Azerbaijan#Copyright_violation_.3F and clear the matter? abakharev 01:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC) This matter was brought up in March 2006, and Wikipedia procedures were not followed. Please ensure that proper GFDL indicators are placed on GFDL material on the orignal web site(s). Is the original English version from website, A: http://www.euro-caspian.com/religions_history.htm or B: http://www.azerbaijan.az/_GeneralInfo/_TraditionReligion/_traditionReligion_e.html ? Also, while clearing up the copyright problem, could you look into the source(s) issue? Bejnar 03:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
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NakhichevanBaku, did your friend come through on those pctures of Nakhichevan? -- Clevelander 21:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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(see Ag-Gol National Park). Mr Stephen 22:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
National parks / National parks of AzerbaijanHi. You don't need to add "National parks" as a category to articles already categorised as "National parks of Azerbaijan", because the category "National parks of Azerbaijan" is already in any case a subcategory of the category "National parks", so it doesn't give any additional information. Best wishes, HeartofaDog 09:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC) LogoThe new logo looks better. But unfortunately on the image page it reads "Please ask for permission before using this logo," which, copyright-wise, seems to be incompatible with wikipedia's guidelines. Peter O. (Talk) 12:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Attacking to Turkic peoples espcially to Turks, Azeriz, please take a lookSalam, Məndə Azəricəyi orta seviyyede başa düşürəm faqat İnglisça yazayim sən bana Azərica cevap yazabilərsin. There are some pan-Iranists put incorrect informations to the Turko-Iranian, Turkic peoples, Pan-Turkism, List of Azerbaijanis, Iranian Theory Regarding Azeri's articles and more but we wanted help from Wikiproject Turkey, we some Turks try to stop them but I think Wikiproject Azerbaijan should battle with them also. Regards- Zaparojdik 22:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
HiWell, good to be here :) I will try to help out as mush as I can. Kolay Gelsin! Baristarim 22:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC) This is to advise you that the project page mentioned above is being considered for deletion according to wikipedia policy. Please feel free to follow the links at the page and participate in the discussion. Badbilltucker 13:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC) Your edit to Wikipedia:WikiProject TurkicYour recent edit to Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkic (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // AntiVandalBot 15:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
ReplyI am sorry it took me a while to reply.. I agree with your above statement that there needs to be better cooperation between the Turkic people.. I just signed my name to WP Turkic, but then learned that it was being considered for deletion, why?? In any case we will have to do with respective WP countries then :)).. I also created a page yesterday called Turkey-Azerbaijan relations, but it still needs a whole lot of improvement - I only copied the relevant text from foreign relations of turkey article.. Cheers! Baristarim 00:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC) Logo copyrightI'm sorry, but you need to allow the logo to be edited by anyone for any purpose, not just for this WikiProject. Otherwise it could be deleted or another person could just create a different logo. Peter O. (Talk) 01:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC) Azerbaijanis article and PishevariHi, There is a dispute on the Pishevari issue on the Azerbaijanis article. Some editors want to remove any reference to info. from Encyclopaedia of Islam regarding linguistic grievances of Azeris, as one of the factors of Pishevari's movement. I would appreciate if you join in the discussion on Talk Page.Heja Helweda 05:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Azerbaijani national heroesCan you please explain why you removed the AfD notice from Azerbaijani national heroes [9]. Thanks, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 23:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
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Stub templates and categories should be proposed prior to creation at WP:WSS/P, so that they can be discussed and checked to see whether they conform to the standards and hierarchies maintained for stub types. In the case of the two types you made (which were not proposed), they use very vague criteria of type which have previously been rejected: the definition of what could classify as "nature" or "culture" makes these stub types unworkable for most practical purposes, and neither fts comfortably within the hierarchy of stub types. Furthermore, it is unlikely at present that either type has the required threshold number of articles necessary for a stub category to be viable. Feel free to comment on the proposed deletion at WP:SFD and please, in future, propose any new stub types you wish to create, as per the instructions at WP:STUB and at the top of Category:Azerbaijan stubs. Grutness...wha? 23:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC) March DaysI welcome you to discuss your changes on the talk page of the March Days article. I want you to see my rationale behind my recent edits as well as the recent name change I made. Kindest regards, Clevelander 00:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC) Merhaba und Hallo, wir würden uns sehr freuen, wenn wir Dich auf unserem neuen de:Portal:Türkei willkommen heißen dürfen - Schau doch mal rein! Lust am Artikel schreiben? Dann hilf uns Türkei-bezogene Artikel zu schreiben und zu verbessern bei de:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Türkei! --Ferdi Öztürk 21:03, 16. Okt. 2006 (CEST) Türkiye PortalıMerhaba geçenlerde Türkiye Portalını seçkin portallara aday gösterdim Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Turkey/archive1. Fakat bir Vikiproje Türkiye üyesi dışında kimse oy kullanmadı. Gelen karşıt oylarla kabul edilmemiş oldu. 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2008 South Ossetia War - edit summariesPlease be sure to use a meaningful edit summary with each edit - especially in a contentious article as this. Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 00:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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South OssetiaActually I didn't remove it. What I did was, I combined the mercenaries with the volunteers from Azerbaijan. That source is still there, it just is isn't as bold as it was earlier. --Tocino 22:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC) VolunteersI promise will make a note that some of the volunteers are from Azerbaijan tomorrow. Probably in the international reaction section (International reaction to the 2008 South Ossetia War). However for now i must sleep, i promise i will add it tomorrow after i finish work. Thanks for letting me know. Peace Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Blocked48 h per [10]. Moreschi (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC) İngilizce Vikipedi'deki Türkiye maddesiMerhaba! Sizden İngilizce Vikipedi'deki Türkiye maddesinde şeriat yanlısı ve Atatürk düşmanı ve Pakistan'dan ayrılan bir ülkenin vatandaşı bir kullanıcıya karşı yürüttüğüm mücadeleme destek vermenizi istiyorum. Türkiye maddesinin tartışma sayfasına girip alttaki oylama bölümüne ingilizce olarak Katılmıyorum yazmanız yeterli olacaktır (Yanına bir kaç neden de yazarsanız iyi olur). Tanıdığınız bütün Atatürkçü ve Türkiye'de laikliğe destek veren kullanıcıları da haberdar ederseniz sevinirim. Teşekkürler! --Turkish Flame ☎ 19:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC) A message from meSalam Baku. I see you are very active on wikipedia. I just wanted to wish you success --Babakexorramdin (talk) 15:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
POVHi Baku87. I saw you placed the POV-tag in some Nagorno-Karabakh related articles. However, if you dont agree with the content of an article, you should first explain what is according to you wrong and only after that place the tag, otherwise it will be removed. Thanks for your understanding. Greets --Vacio (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Re-categorization of cities, towns and villages in AzerbaijanHi -- I noticed that the category for cities towns and villages in Azerbaijan contains more than 5,900 articles. I am considering creating categories for cities towns and villages in each province, and filing the articles under those. This should make the articles easier to find and use. Do you think this is a good idea? I'd like comments from you and any others in the Azerbaijan project before I start working on it. Aelfthrytha (talk) 01:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Atashgah of BakuAtashgah of Baku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atashgah_of_Baku You are needed here. Despite the abundance of Local Azeri Zoroastrian accounts, some Indians push still theire POV--Babakexorramdin (talk) 13:19, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Sagh ol for your good work on Atashgah of Baku. I wished more Iranians and also those from republic of Azerbaijan took the case as seriously as you do.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 20:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
A photo from BakuAs the creator of File:SV100240.jpg, could you please clarify if this is a photo of the Puppet Theater in Baku, as originally indicated in your description summary (25 September 2008), or the Philharmonic Hall in Baku, as changed by anon 74.12.101.62 on 14 December 2008? This photo is used in Azerbaijan#Culture and it would be desirable to have a correct caption there. Thank you. --Zlerman (talk) 16:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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Perzisch is historisch gezien de lingua franca van de Iraanse wereld,. dat is ook zo geweest in je land tot voor kort. BV. Mohammad Amin rasulzadeh publiceerde in het perzisch. eerst de Tsaren en daarna Boelsjewieken hebben ervoor gezorgd dat er niet meer Perzisch wordt geschreven. Ook hebben ze jullie alfabeet veranderd zodat jullie je banden met iran verliezen. Perzisch is niet alleen de taal van de etnische Fars maar is de lingua Franca van alle Iraniers. Veel schrijvers en dichters die het perzisch hebben geschreven waren Azeri, Koerd, Mazandarani etc... Het is goed dat de mensen vandezelfde cultuur en civilisatie met elkaar kunnen communiceren in een litteraraire taal die allemaal aan bijdrage hebben geleverd. Ook je bent onder de invloed van anti-Iranisme rond het karabakh conflict. Iran stond heel sterk aan de kant van Azerbaijan voordat Elchibey kwam. Die was eerst Elchibey zelf die Iran boos maakte. Onder Mutalibov Iran had toegzegd om Azerbaijan van goederen te voorzien. Elchibey heeft alle Iraanse hulp geweigerd, alle handel met Iran stop gezet en zelfs de minister van buitenlandse zaken van Iran niet toegelaten.Het was niet zo dat Iran eesrt Armenie hielp en daarna Elchibey boos werd. Iran heeft Armenie nooit geholpen. Die was Iran die het voorkwam dat Armenie Nakhchivan binnenviel. Die was ook Iran die zijn tanks stuurde om Armeniers tegen te houden en zodat vluchtelingen met rust worden gelaten. Iran had dan vluchtelingen in het Iraanse grondgebied opgenomen. Als reactie stuurde Turkije zijn troepen aan de Grens met Iran en bedreigde Iran. Als het ware wouden ze zeggen dat ze de baas zijn in julie land. Toen heydar Aliyev aan de macht kwam probeerden ze hm te vermoorden en Elchibey aan de mach te brengen. Dat heeft tansu Chiller toegegeven. Uberhaupt Iran was conomisch te zwak om Armenie te kunnen helpen in de begindagen van Karabakh. In die tijd was Iran pas vrij van de oorlog met Saddam., Het land was verwoest en Industrie stelde weinig voor. Dat was een andere Iran dan nu. Wat Armenen hebben gedaan was echter om Iran niet boos te maken. Ze hebben altijd zich gedragen na waarschuweingen. Iran wou een stabiel Kaukasus. Dus een stabiel Azerbaijan was goed voor Iran. Voor Iran was het beter geweest dat het karabakh conflict vermeden werd en dat Iran, Azerbaijan en Armenie met elkaar in een vrije handelszone handel bedreven. Door de ruzie die Turkije met Armenen had wou Turkije dat het Karabakh conflict door ging. Dat was ook bekend dat panturkse elementen in Azerbaijan bv. (je weet wel) mensen buiten Karabakh bang hebben gemaakt om hun steden te verlaten. in feite hadden ze die steden aan Armeniers verkocht. Wist je dat er nooit is gevochten voor die steden buiten Karabakh die bezet zijn door Armeniers? Dat was gewoon de smerige politiek van Turkije. Armenie heeft geewn vrienden en Iran was geisoleerd dus ze hadden handel, maar de schijn bedriegt. dat was niet zo dat Iran voor Armenie koos. Dat was echter Turkije en Amerika en weet wie die de problemen tussen Iran en Armenie hebben veroorzaakt. Later Toen elchibey weg was hoopte Iran dat Azerbaijan anders om ging met Iran maar Azerbaijan heeft Iran uitgesloten van oliwinning. Sterker nog pan turkisten werden geholpen in Baku, en die riepen dat er een burgeroorlog in Iran zou moeten ontsaan zoals in joegoslavie. Ze hebben ook duidleijk landkaarten gedrukt waarin de Iraanse steden werden opgenomen. Wat bapaalde politici in Azerbaijan deden maakte Iran boos. We zijn hetzelfde volk maar ze hebben Iran verraden en de historische vijand - Turkije geholpen. Dat word duideijk in Iran opgevat als verraad. Het latijse alfabeet dan was door Elchibij opgelegd, omdat het op Turks leek. Elchibey wou om jullie taal te verbieden en die te vervangen met Istanbuli Turks, hij kon niet zo ver gaan, maar heeft een alfabeet gemaakt die op die van de Turken leek. Het latijnse alfabeet tijdens Stalin was anders! Iran erkent dat alfabeet niet en Azeri in Iran wordt nog steeds op het originele manier geschreven. De mensen die de Turksachtige latijnse alfabeet op de Iraanse steden zetten, weigeren om het Iraans-Azeri alfabeet op hun steden ztten. hiermee willen zeggen dat ze zeggenschap hebben op Iraans grondgeboied.. Die zijn bezig met een gevaarlijk spelletje. Nu 20% van Azerbaijan is bezet door kleinere Armenen, het is niet logisch dat er ruzie wordt gezorgd met een land dat tenminste 10 keer zo groter is dan Azerbaijan. Het is ook bizar want we hebben historische, religieuze, culturele, en taalovereenkomsten. Nu worden Armenie en Turkije weer vrienden met elkaar.. Juist nu moeten Azerbaijan en Iran weer vrienden worden. Bovendien Iran werkt niet tegen Georgie. Toen Rusland stopte met gasleverantie aan Georgie heeft Iran gas gegeven aan Georgie.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 09:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Arash
I have seen that website. I think some Russian organizators are consciously creating tensions. Yesterday they showed pictures from Iranwhen they were introducing the republic of Azerbaijan. This will lead to the Iranian protest. Someone is here instigtating tension and irredntism. Arash might have Azerbaijani roots, but Iranian Azeri. That is not the reason why he is taking part on the contest. Also it seems to be wrong that he is born in Tehran. He is born in Mazandaran. The website is irreliable because it contradicts facts and also regarding the controversy the Russian organizators created yesterday. I will come soon with reliable information about Arash.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 15:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC) Discuss!Hi, please discuss your reverts at the talk pages for the first, as all of the actions were discussed earlier (for example here [24]) and reasons are represented. Gazifikator (talk) 10:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Regarding the mass stubbing of articlesHello, please take note that a stub article is one that is relatively undeveloped and needs to be supplemented with further information (as clearly noted by Wikipedia guidelines). Also take note that just because Azerbaijan occupies a territory which was part of another country or people from 2,000 years ago doesn't mean that it now has some tangible link to Azerbaijan. Just because the Republic of Turkey occupies most of the former Eastern Roman Empire doesn't mean we are now going to add a Republic of Turkey tag on an article on the provinces of Bithynia or Cappodocia. It's ahistorical and rather stretching the imagination to think there are links between two such distinct entities. You don't seem to be a new user here so I find it ironic that I am telling you all this. Please take note of my advice and I hope we can work together to improve the quality of some articles. Thank you, --The Diamond Apex (talk) 15:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC) DYK for Hagop HagopianGreetings! I see you have recently created one or more new stub templates or categories. As it states at Wikipedia:Stub, at the top of most stub categories, and in many other places on Wikipedia, it is recommended that new stub types be proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. This helps to reach consensus about whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it is otherwise correctly formatted, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies. Your new stub type is currently listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries, where comments are welcome as to any rationale for this stub type. Please, in future, consider proposing new stub types first at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals! Grutness...wha? 08:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Please be aware of this report: [25]. Gazifikator (talk) 10:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC) WP:AE resultPlease see [26]. I am cautioning you for inflammatory language[27]. Please also read WP:STUB. Articles such as these[28][29] are not stubs and shouldn't be marked as such. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 06:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Science and technology in AzerbaijanIf the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website but have permission from that owner, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here. If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding Speedy deletion nomination of Azerbaijani diasporaIf the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website but have permission from that owner, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here. If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding RedaktəSalam. Ana diliniz, Azərbaycan-türkcəsi olduğu üçün, bu dildə sizə müraciət etməyə qərar verdim. Xahiş edirəm sualıma cavab verəsiniz. Nə üçün siz "Azərbaycan Silahlı Qüvvələri" məqaləsində kobud dəyişiklik edirsiniz? Azərbaycan Silahlı Qüvvələrinin rəsmi gerbi əvəzinə, əskərdin qolundakı kiçik alt-gerb şəkli qoyur, tarix seksiyasını qısaldır və ümumilikdə məqaləyə ciddi zərbə endirirsiniz. Xahiş edirəm, hərəkətlərinizi əsaslandırın. --Proger (talk) 22:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC) Azerbaijani constitutional referendum, 2009Hi there! I noticed that you are an active editor who speaks Azerbaijani. I'm attempting to do some edits on Azerbaijani constitutional referendum, 2009 and would like your help in deciphering the official results. My main question is did the referendum have 29 question?! And what does "Lehinə", "Əleyhinə", and "Etibarsız" mean? Regards. – Zntrip 05:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. – Zntrip 20:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC) ВопросЗдраствуйте. Скажите, в английской википедии есть азербайджанские статьи, которые были избраны в хорошин или избранные? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.141.146.215 (talk) 18:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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