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Hey CJA, I'm starting work on a few articles I thought might be up your alley: Jesús Blancornelas and Héctor Félix Miranda, and the magazine they founded, Zeta (magazine), which did a lot of reporting on the Tijuana cartels. I'll be expanding each (or in Miranda's case, creating) over the next 2-5 days depending on my daughter's schedule. If you happen to be around and don't have anything else on your plate, feel free to drop by! I'd be glad to have your input. Khazar2 (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for the speedy additions--I tuned out for a while for a ballgame and was amazed how much you got done in the meantime. I spun off a stubby start to Héctor Félix Miranda with what we already had, added a little bit, but he'll need some substantial expansion on the investigation into his murder, etc. I might also work on Adela Navarro Bello some as long as we're doing this much research into Zeta people. Anyway, thanks for the help, and I'll try to pitch in more myself tomorrow-- Khazar2 (talk) 23:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I gave Navarro's article a decent start, though the lead still needs to be rewritten to be a better summary. Luckily it already had a number of good sources in it, it just didn't draw much on them. Feel free to take a pass, too. Later tonight or tomorrow I'll try to also add a paragraph to the Zeta article about her editorship, particularly her continued pursuit of Hank Rhon. Thanks so much for the help with these! It's amazing how much we've gotten done in the past 24 hrs. Khazar2 (talk) 21:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Okay! I'll try to summarize the intros and see if I can expand on the assassinations too. Thank you for inviting me to help you out in this project; it's been a good experience. See you around. ComputerJA (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Of course! How do you think I should label the section? "Further reading" or "Published works"? Do you have any other suggestions? ComputerJA (talk) 19:29, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. I actually think it is a very good idea. Feel free to drop by at the article and change/add info. Thanks! ComputerJA (talk) 19:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't think so. In any event, here's another approach on listing books which I suggest you take a look at. George Simon (artist and archaeologist) Best. 16:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
And thanks to you both for adding another section. Amazing how far this article has come in a few days' time. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 16:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I think the article should have a quotation form the song. I think we should use a "ref group uppperalpha" for it. See Frank Murphy for how that works. Spiffs up the articles real nice.
Thank you. Now see if you can add the other level of footnote. Surely there is something (as an aside) that we can incorporate into one. 7&6=thirteen (☎)20:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Hope that helps. The content might even be useful, but I leave that up to you. It's really your article, and I have embarked on things of which I am remarkably ignorant. Nevertheless, now you can see the mechanics. 7&6=thirteen (☎)21:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
User:ComputerJA, I am assigning a large group of students to write biographies about the most publicized journalists from the Mexican journalists' list. We would appreciate any input you have to offer us. I particularly like the way you organized the information on your list and it became the inspiration for a list I'm working on about Syrian and Somalian journalists who died during their civil wars. You're doing some excellent work in this area!!! Crtew (talk) 20:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar! I need to start buying some books if I really want to finish this list, LOL.
Somedays ago I suggested (probably mistanken) that you was a "cleaner" because you deleted some information on some pages of Wikipedia in Spanish because of " falta de información verificable". But now I see your "accurateness" and "demand for verifiability" is vanished when you write about the "FUTURE POSIBLE Security policy of Peña Nieto". The article contain some "impressions and "value judgments" that are debatable. The information is presented in form of objective information instead of what it is "political declaration of intention". I consider your work is in the line to be viewed as "partisanly oriented" one. Now I feel the need to supervise the accuracity of your contribuitons not only in Spanish Wikipedia but here too :( --Davius (talk) 23:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
(WP:TPS comment): I have no opinions about the article in question, but on the English Wikipedia, following a user you disagree with from article to article to "supervise" them can be considered harassment. A better first step would probably be to go the article's talk page and make specific comments about the areas that appear POV to you. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 00:00, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
To Davius and Khazar
Thank you, Khazar2. I got pretty tired of Spanish Wikipedia, since many users (including Davius) seem to favor unverifiable information. I pointed out numerous times in my Spanish talkpage where he was incorrect in allowing POV updates on politicians' articles. I also grew tired of the fact that many pages of the Mexican cartels have very few citations (like es:Caballeros templarios (cártel), to name a few), so I took the time to add some "Citation needed" and erase original research. Only to have them reverted by him for no good reason or no reason at all.
Besides, the article on the Security policy of EPN contains analysis from experts in the field, and I tried to include BOTH sides of the argument as best as I could. I also included the security policy of Andrés Manuel López Obrador[1] and would have created an article of its own if he would have gotten as much coverage in that aspect as EPN. Clearly, I'm not here to promote a political agenda. Thanks again for your concern, Khazar2. See you around. ComputerJA (talk) 00:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hey, thank you! This mean a lot to me. And thank you for your contributions in the MDW article. Are you interested in this subject? I've been in search of a co-editor since the last one retired, haha. ComputerJA (talk) 03:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
What is a co-editor? I am interested in the human rights side of it mostly, civil society, journalists, the government corruption, human trafficking, etc. Decora (talk) 05:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Co-editing would mean editing "with another or others (in this case, me)" in articles pertaining to the MDW.
i usually just edit here-and-there as i hear stories on the radio (NPR) and once in a while on the web. please leave me a note if you have any ideas. Decora (talk) 23:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Star award
Thanks! I did not expect it, nor am I sure I deserve the HONOR, but thanks. Likewise, it is good to know there is someone with the knowledge and wisdom as yourself to ensure that truthful information goes into the Mexican drug war series. Thank you for the star, and thank you for being around with such watchful eye. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 22:37, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
As a follow up, I recently edited Héctor Beltrán Leyva with additional infobox fields. I was using the article as a "test case" for an enhanced version of the template Infobox Criminal which I had recently modified. This newer version of the template should take care of most, if not all, of the deficiencies that plagued the older Criminal infobox template (and which led some (myself for example) to use the more generic, but also more flexible, Infobox Person template). I have noticed that many of 37 big-time drug lords (List of Mexico's 37 most-wanted drug lords) still use the Person infobox. Feel free to edit the data I used to populate the new Criminal infobox in the Héctor Beltrán Leyva article: I picked Héctor Beltrán Leyva for testing, but could have picked anyone else. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
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I am aware that there was a previous picture with copyright violations. Nonetheless, I had uploaded this one with the right rationale and permission and was deleted without discussion (and when I had left a message in the picture's talkpage). I'll take it for review. Thanks. ComputerJA (talk) 05:50, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for helping to make MMA articles on wikipedia better! In September 168 people made a total of 956 edits to MMA articles. I noticed you havn't listed yourself on the WikiProject Mixed martial artsParticipants page. Take a look, sign up, and don't forget to say hi on the talk page.
I was going to tell you what BatteryIncluded said. Good luck on you test tomorrow and thanks for the Barnstar for Tamaulipas. -AMAPO (talk) 07:55, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Btw- ive seen articles that have a little media box on the relevant section (in this case "death") whee youtube videos are put...we could do that..Lihaas (talk) 03:33, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about, but feel free to do the updates you want. I like the trimming you are doing in the article. ComputerJA (talk) 03:37, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
I am working on improving the climate section of cities but however, an editor complains that I am using non-standard colours. Although I respect his/her opinion, when I keep telling the editor why I use these colours, he/she just won't listen and goes his/her own way. The colours are only to make the climate data easier to read but the main thing is the data and source. How do you handle this situation because I feel like this could escalate into a heated debate?Ssbbplayer (talk) 23:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I am not completely aware of the standards for the colours on climate here on Wiki, but if the debate gets too heated, take it HERE. Make sure to stay cool and try finding a resolution that makes both of you guys satisfied. Be sure to use the dispute resolution request I linked as the last option, but don't be scared to use it. BTW, if the other editor is simply "not listening" to you, then he isn't following the guidelines. Remind him that you guys need to discuss it through. Hope this helps, cheers. ComputerJA (talk) 08:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
The main thing to worry about is data for the climate data and whether the source for the climate data is reliable. I am not aware about the standards of the colours but the most important is the data. It is not my primary concern of which colour it is, as long as the data is not changed or vandalized. Thanks for the help.Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. Thanks for standing up for the climate data. It is by far one of the most under-edited parts of Wikipedia. I hope you find a solution; contact me if you have any questions. Cheers. ComputerJA (talk) 03:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
One question. Since the Jus soli often determines nationality, and because I provided a citation that says Cung Le is Vietnamese, what sources do you about South Vietnam's citizenship rules? ComputerJA (talk) 23:47, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Relying on Jus soli is not good, for example it would have Julia Gillard the Prime Minister of Australia as British as she was born in Barry, Wales, she would have renounced her British Citizenship to run for the House of Representatives, my understanding is though at any time she could reverse that and take it back up, but calling her British would be wrong. As for the source you need, that would depend, you could use the one you quoted to argue for American, but given the debate that surrounds this then something directly quoting him as what he takes his nationality to be would be what is IMO needed. Mtking (edits) 00:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
really nice work. i have one question - some sources say her first husband was a mayor as well... did you find this to be true? i also couldn't find anything about her work as a physician. Decora (talk) 05:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, José Sánchez Chávez was the mayor before his wife. It says that he was the "anterior alcalde" ('previous mayor'). I'll add the information.
Some Mexican sources say that the guy was believed to have ties with organized crime... I'm not sure if I should add that information because it might be pushing for speculation. Maybe when some arrests are made new information will come out. ComputerJA (talk) 06:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thanks for clarifying. i think an English source mentioned that speculation too... it was the LA Times link. but i would like to know more about this before writing about it - for example, who exactly was claiming this? I don't see much info out there. Some English sources are also reporting her second husband has gone missing. Decora (talk) 07:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
According to El Universal, after the attack on the couple in January 2010, Sánchez Chávez reportedly "knew exactly where the threats were coming from."[4] This other article, which is boring and hard to read even for me, implies that his husband and his brother had ties with one of the two cartels in the state. I'll see what I can do to take care of this. This article is about María Santos, not about his husband. I don't want to start drawing the dots myself ... I'll wait for the police to draw them first (if they ever do). That's just me, but do you think we should include the information?
As for his second husband, he [Nereo Patiño Delgado] and María Santos had separated 15 days before the attack, but he was called in to declare already. [5] The source does not say if he is a suspect, however. ComputerJA (talk) 09:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
thanks for the information, i appreciate it. i dont really think its worth it to include it because it is too vague - what does "has ties" mean? the LA times implies that Maria had to deal with accusations against accusations about her husband - did she? is there a quote anywhere of her doing that? i havent found one. having come off the Alistair McAlpine article i have become very cautious about including anything even remotely speculative in a biography - i prefer to wait until several news outlets have confirmed something. people have too many agendas and is too easy to get mislead. thanks again. Decora (talk) 23:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
QPQ Review- That means you need to review someone else's DYK nomination to make sure it meets the requirements. I just started reviewing too, so check out Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide and give it a good read. Also look at how some more experienced editors do it on some DYKs. Then find a good DYK proposal that you feel comfortable with and go through the various needed checks. Maybe someone more senior can help you if you need additional help, but I found the Reviewing Guide to be good enough for a good first effort or two. AbstractIllusions (talk) 18:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm really sorry you had such a long wait to have this article reviewed, but I had to fail the article. The major issue, and the reason I have failed it, is that it has problems with Close Paraphrasing. I would recommend carefully reading the article on close paraphrasing and rewording the Arturo Guzmán Decena article. When this has been done, feel free to renominate for GA. Also, if you want to ping me when you re-nominate, I will have a look if it would help. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it have it reassessed, or simply to renominate at GA. Sarastro1 (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. It was my first GA nomination, so I didn't expect to get it nominated. I'll get to it later and see what we can do. Thanks! ComputerJA (talk) 20:23, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
HAHA thank you! I've been craving for a michelada since I came back to school from Thanksgiving break... BTW, I'll by around more often now, so let me know if you, by any chance, have another project in mind that I might be capable of helping. Thanks again and stay in touch. ComputerJA (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Questions about DYK
Hi! Could you help me understand the rules? I reworded the hook a bit after you already reviewed it. Now I wonder if I was allowed to do it. And another question, is a person allowed to change another person's nomination (to alter the hook)? --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:00, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, you're allowed to reword the hook, so don't worry. In fact, the hook might be reworded differently with or without your consent if the reviewer believes it is necessary to do so. But if you want to change another person's hook, I'd recommend for you to post your proposal in the comment section of the template. People might get offended if you do it without their consent. Hope this helps – I'm kinda new to DYK too. ComputerJA (talk) 17:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Given the rationale Alexrexpvt gave, I'm guessing that turning the article into a biography would work a lot better. I was preferring the current title of the article, but lets see if turning it into a biography would work. Journalists who have been murdered/kidnapped while reporting are definitely notable, so the article will probably pass. If you'd like, I can help out by expanding the article. Are you okay with that? ComputerJA (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
ComputerJA, Sorry, It was first rejected as a biography and then I changed it to "Disappearance..." based on Khazar's advice earlier today. So you both are thinking the same way on this and I think that this approach can work. So this time, it will go through as "Disappearance..." I'm ok with you adding anything you feel it needs and appreciate the offer. There is another one about Cordero that has been declined. The article on Arturo Barajas López (1966? - 19 August 2012) and José Antonio Aguilar López (1986? - 19 August 2012) was accepted.Crtew (talk) 23:47, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Nice clean copy that reads well! I like what you did with it. Did you find anything at all about public relations professionals being a target of the drug war. In her case, this is a reason for her significance. Have you seen anything in Spanish on this topic? Thanks for lending your skills and knowledge on this one. Crtew (talk) 14:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm not aware of any reports about public relations professionals being targeted by the cartels. The closest thing I can think of are politicians killed, but not for cases like that of María Isabella Cordero. To be honest, I doubt she was killed for her profession; there are rumors that she was involved in an affair with a top narco, but who knows. It seems that the murder will remain unsolved. ComputerJA (talk) 16:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. The addition of the photo is a nice touch and the re-review was very fast! I'll notify the student who worked on this. Crtew (talk) 20:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
No problem, thanks to you too! I'm glad all these articles are being created. If any of your students' articles get declined/need another pair of eyes, let me know. ComputerJA (talk) 20:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Have you seen the links I added to the articles that were accepted. I can list them out if you like.
Marisol Macías -- The editor seems to have focused more on the gruesome death rather than the social media angle.
Norberto Miranda Madrid -- Perhaps the Spanish articles may give more information on his entry into politics?
There are a few more in the process of Afc and I have a few more that I'll need to edit before they can be submitted.Crtew (talk) 21:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of journalists killed in the United States until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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ComputerJA, This template was left on my talk page and may be of interest to you as you have a similar list. The proposer hasn't spelled out his argument fully for why he thinks it's not needed. Crtew (talk) 19:06, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
No, that's not what it said: "I would strongly recommend finding a third-party reader to help you with paraphrasing." From the phrasing, I think Nikkimaria was clear that it's up to you to find that third party—it's your article and your submission, and therefore your responsibility. You may have Wikipedia colleagues who understand close paraphrasing and can go through the article for you. If not, there's the guild of copy editors, though they generally have a backlog and do not respond quickly. However, I'm afraid your lack of response in the subsequent week, and failure to respond there before you left despite this reminder, may well result in your nomination being closed before you return. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
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CJA, Welcome back! I was going to add more to your list a couple of days ago but I saw that you already beat me to the punch :-)
No, nobody is working on Mora. Here's a progress report:
What we still have in the Afc line is Marisol Macías (I'm not sure what we're supposed to constructively learn from the editor's comment).
Another "One Event" editor decline on the Afc for Norberto Miranda Madrid, which could use your eyes.
Part way prepared is José Luis Romero but it was not submitted because of quality issues. Another that is part way completed is User:Crtew/Regina Martínez, which you can feel free to move to your user pages if you wish. I think there is more to learn about her through Spanish media. She was friends with a number of crime reporters in the Veracruz area. What is tricky about her situation is the controversy about whether it was a robbery-murder or a drug-related murder. The DA says one thing and the community of journalists believe another. I'm uncertain about whether we're catching the subtleties of the Spanish, and it would be good for you to look at this. Her article is important.
Great. Thanks for letting me know. I just added them to my watchlist, but I hope I get to expand them before I return to school on the 14th of next month. I'll be around if you need anything, and if other articles are being created, please let me know. Cheers. ComputerJA (talk) 05:49, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Computer JA, Your "Did you know?" entry was a bright idea. It looks like you got over 5,000 page views on my last look! I learned several things from you this semester. The list you set up was fantastic for setting up a format. I also didn't know about the fair use of photos that you have so successfully implemented. I'm awarding you a barnstar (see below)! Thank you for all your help! I would like to add you as a country specialist to my syllabus in the future.
REPLY 1: Thanks for the barnstar! I'll be more than glad to help out in the future, and especially when it comes to Spanish-language sources. BTW, Khazar2 got me into the DYK stuff. It's a pretty cool idea if you want to get a few other people to proofread your newly created articles and reach the Main Page. There are some rules you have to follow but it's pretty straightforward. I recommend you to use it in the future!
I won't be teaching the Introduction to Mass Communication course during spring semester. So there will be a one semester break between entries until I return to the course in the fall. As I see journalists ready to assign, I may start some pages in my user space -- setting up a shell -- if you want to look from time to time in my subpages, and you do feel inclined to take up an article, it wouldn't bother me if you did. My own interests will take me into the worldwide network of press freedom & rights organizations. I'll keep in touch, Crtew (talk) 01:29, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
REPLY 2: Thank you. It was a pleasure to work with you, too! To be honest, I wasn't that much into press freedom in Mexico until Khazar2 and I worked on Jesús Blancornelas in August. Then when your project started, I looked more into it and was fascinated. I'm really grateful that you started it and that we all got to work together. But let's hope the List of journalists killed in the Mexican Drug War doesn't get too long... :-) Happy editing and stay in touch. ComputerJA (talk) 02:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I hereby award ComputerJA for this editor's contribution toward making our Wikipedia Academic Project Fall Semester 2012 a big success! With appreciation from the faculty and students at the University of Southern Indiana. Crtew (talk) 01:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
ComputerJA, it turns out there were significant issues with this nomination you approved, including getting the date of the supposed end of the world wrong and some definite close paraphrasing. Perhaps, next time, you might want to get a second opinion as to whether you'd located all the overly close material, and whether you might have introduced any new problems (such as "excepting", which I think should have been "expecting"). BlueMoonset (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi ComputerJA. I'm terribly sorry for getting the date wrong in the nomination and article - I'm rather embarrassed as it was a silly mistake but as I'm sure you can appreciate it is quite easy to overlook. This is only my second DYK nomination in 5 years of editing. Nevertheless it is fixed now and I also believe I have addressed all of BlueMoonset's concerns regarding close paraphrasing. I would appreciate if you could weigh back in on the discussion at the nomination. Freikorp (talk) 07:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you guys. I've been trying to contribute to DYK reviews for fun, but I guess I have to be extra careful (more than what I thought necessary). ComputerJA (talk) 17:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Reportero
Don't know if you saw, but this [6] premieres on Monday. Looks like it'll be available for streaming after, too. I'll bring the popcorn. -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Good stuff. Thank you for letting me know! :-) So it airs on 10 p.m. Monday, right? I'll see if I can make it to Brownsville tomorrow. If you decide to make an article of the documentary once it gets reviews, let me know so I can help. Thanks again. ComputerJA (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
I think so, not sure about Brownsville's time zone, though. Not sure if I'll be able to catch it on TV or have to stream it later, all depends on Little Miss Khazar's mood (as usual =)). Creating an article on it is a good call--I'll see if it gets a few reviews, etc., to justify creation. But it seems likely it will. I'll keep you posted. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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