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Thanks Billinghurst,
My government's block on Wikipedia.org has been lifted after one hour. Currently there is no need for the IP block exempt. If I shall need it in the future I will contact you again. Bahraini Activist (talk) 14:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to the external video. Apart from anything else, the Royal Family rather flunked their opportunity to impress. Opbeith (talk) 21:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
As long as US and UK support Al Khalifa's or some major regional change happens we will stay in the same empty circle. Glad you're back to Wikipedia. Bahraini Activist (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Bahraini Journalists
Hello Bahraini Activist,
I was just noticing your work on Bahrain yesterday!
I'm currently teaching a university course on Journalism & Mass Communication and partnering with Wikipedia under its Ambassador's Program. Our class project is to document those journalists who have been killed while reporting. We have been working on two biographical articles about Bahrain:
and another still in progress about Karim Fakhrawi (sandboxed)
After reviewing the new report, there may be an article about violations of press freedom during the Bahraini uprising.
Tell me what you think about al-Ashiri's article, and I'll give you a heads up on Fakhrawi when it's closer to completion. I would like to know how you got photos.
This is a very pleasant surprise to me. I wish we had a course about Wikipedia here in Bahrain. There is another report about human rights violations that is to be published soon by Al Wefaq, Bahrian's biggest shia opposition party. Karim Fakhrawi was one of Al Wefaq's founders and Zakariya's brother is a former MP of Al Wefaq, so I'm sure they'll give more light to their death cases. It's already mentioned in BICI report that Al Wefaq gave them a lot of information.
I already have a plan to write about all of those who died in the 2011 Bahraini uprising. You must have noticed the work I've done so far. When I saw the article about Zakariya Rashid Hassan al-Ashiri I was pleased with that and though this would save time for me, the article is fine, but needs more expanding. I'm interested in the articles you write and can provide some references for you if needed.
About photos, it's important to understand that here in Bahrain photographers in general don't know much about copyright licenses. If someone wanted to keep the copyrights in a fashion like CC-BY-SA 3.0 (can share, alter, transform, and build upon work, but must mention to the photographer) they would put a small watermark with their nicknames on it and many of them would just release the work into public. I was the first person to introduce the licenses to photographers, many of them responded and now we can use all of their work. What I want you to understand from this is that most photographers want thier work to be published, but have/had no idea about copyrights/licensing issue.
The main photographer is called "Lewa'a Alnasr" (Flag of victory) (Arabic: لواء النصر). He took high quality photos for most of those who died during the uprising as well as protests and crackdown, including Karim Fakhrawi. His photos are all-over the web, but he personally only publishes them on Bahrain Online, a political forum. Recently he licensed some photos under CC-BY-CA 3.0 (in this post). This is the original topic where Lewa'a Alnasr published Fakhrawi pictures. All of those photos and more are grouped in other websites, but the original source is Bahrainonline.org.
This website contains all photos published by Lewa'a Alnasr and by other photographers. It's easy to notice which pictures belong to Lewa'a Alnasr from the quality of images. This album is about Zakariya al-Ashiri and this album is about Karim fakhrawi (almost same pictures found in Bahrain online topic by Lewa'a Alnasr). Also this website published many photos about Bahrain, some of them are by Lewa'a Alnasr, some from anonymous photographer and some are exclusive to the website.
To get photos by Lewa'a Alnasr, you can either search in Bahrain online (not recommended - some photos have been removed by hosting website) or in This website (recommended).
Another photographer is called Bahrain lens. He publishes his photos to a Facebook page, here. However his photos aren't as extensive or important as those of Lewa'a Alnasr.
I hope this helps and if you need more info, don't hesitate to ask.
Thank you for the search through the Arabic sites! Do you recommend a particular search engine or database for Arabic-specific searches? Or do you just Google/Google News? I have started to work on an article tentatively called "Press intimidation during the 2011 Bahraini uprising", which uses the names you have listed for journalists. I haven't gotten far yet, but just wanted you to know that this is in the works! Best, Crtew (talk) 20:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I usually start with Al Wasat newspaper website (link) then in Bahrain Mirror after that I search through a list of websites and in the end Google.bh. Some of the websites in the list are already available in English.
Many of the journalists in the list work/worked in Al Wasat and some of them write in Bahrain mirror. I think that both of Abbas Busafwan and Adel Marzooq who are listed in "fired" should be also listed in "exiled". Ali Abdulemam is not exiled, but he is hiding, he was arrested and tortured before 2011 Bahraini uprising and was released in February, I last saw him personally on March 13 in Pearl roundabout. There's a story about an arrest attempt for him written by Mona Abdulemam, his niece. Abbas Al-Morshid was arrested, now free. Mahmood Al-Yousif was arrested for a short period (maybe a day) then released. It's important to remember to use Arabic words when searching in Arabic websites. If you are finding it hard to get references for any article regarding Bahrain, just let me know. Bahraini Activist (talk) 22:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
salam
salaam,
I added sheikh isa qasem to this list based on al-alam tv calling him a marja. i think you added his picture this is good. I also added his website so people wil go and listen to his speeches to help the bahraini people. also I do not know how to added pictures PLease try to add the rest of the marjas pictures becuase it will help people to get to know the ulema of shia.....thanks you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.222.25 (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
3lekm Alsalam,
I created the English article and have written most of it including the picture. I moved the website someone added (I think it's you) from introduction to external links. To add any pictures, they must be owned by you or licensed under a specific copyright license such as CC-BY-SA 3.0. So if you can provide pictures with such status I can add them to Wikipedia articles via uploading them to commons.wikimedia. Bahraini Activist (talk) 07:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
1997 Report on Bahrain
I know you're on the lookout for human rights reports on Bahrain. Someone tweeted this 1997 report by Human Rights Watch called "Routine Abuse, Routine Denial: Civil Rights and the Political Crisis in Bahrain" that talks about the 90s uprising (here). Seems to have some similar recommendations to BICI, and the repression described seems to be similar to the 2011 uprising. Billmarczak (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
It's very nice to see somebody working so hard on an area in wikipedia that has been largely neglected so please accept this humble recognition ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:11, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you. I'm trying to fill the gap here and also sharing my experience with as many Bahrainis as I can to get even more contributors. I have too many ideas and goals set in my mind, but few time available. One of the greatest things about Wikipedia is that there are people from everywhere to help; this strong motivation keeps me editing Tirelessly ;) Bahraini Activist (talk) 11:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
No sources warranting a Wikipedia article on the report itself; all third-party sources used in the article support the circumstances that led to the report, none are about the report itself.
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As I'm still trying to avoid arguments I'll restrain myself. Except as challenged on a specific point with specific contrary evidence, Amnesty is a reliable source and it is hard to envisage how Amnesty's publication of a report on a national situation would be anything other than notable except in Brobdignag. If organisations whose activities are considered notable who have contributed to this report mention it, this is deemed on a par with self-promotion?
Amnesty may be a reliable source, but the problem is, in this case, that it is a primary source. Since this article is about an Amnesty report, you have to show references stating how the report has been received by people outside Amnesty. In fact, the article should be primarily about that.
No. A primary source may be used "to make straightforward, descriptive statements that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source." Common sense, but also enshrined in WP policy. WP:Primary sourceOpbeith (talk) 20:43, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't want to give my opinion at the discussion page because I don't want to get entangled in any more fatuous time-wasting discussions that are one of the reasons why people who contribute to articles at Wikipedia ask themselves why am I spending my time here? Given all the other urgent issues, why do so many people want to spend their time destroying useful content? Beyond me. I don't want to, but the urge not to let the wreckers have their way again without at least a bit of a struggle is stronger than my inclinations or good sense. Opbeith (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
n.b. Above comments are purely personal, I have no wish to drag Bahraini Activist down to my level of disillusion. Keep up the good work. Opbeith (talk) 00:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Now that the discussion has ended in "no consensus" it would be useful if you can find some local evidence of the local impact of the publication of the reports. Whether the outcome is a merge of the six articles in a general article or their continued separate existence, it's important both in Wikipedia terms, to reinforce evidence of the significance of the subject, but also more widely to illustrate how external human rights activities contribute to developments in a local situation of institutionalised human rights abuse. Opbeith (talk) 09:29, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I will merge all of the reports in one article and do as you have recommended. However, I will only start doing so after about 2 weeks, because I will be busy these days. Thanks for your help. Bahraini Activist (talk) 09:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report itself.
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No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report itself.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report itself.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report itself.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report itself.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report itself.
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hi Bahraini Activist, here are my suggestions for a procedure that is likely to have some chance of reaching long term consensus:
Copy User:Bahraini_Activist/Human_rights_reports_on_2011-2012_Bahraini_uprising to a real article. But you should try to use the correct dash "–" (en dash, i think...) for the main article - you can copy/paste from here if it helps, or see dash for hints on how to handle this technically. After that, a WP:REDIRECT can go from the version with a hyphen "-".
On the talk page of the new article, invite other Wikipedians to help decide which individual articles about reports might be able to be considered notable enough as encyclopedia topics to remain separate.
I would suggest that all 6 that i listed immediately be made into redirects to the new page, so that the "main" tags can be removed. i don't expect that anyone would complain. If there's too much material and the reports themselves become wide topics that are debated - not just widely distributed - then the redirect pages could return to real articles. Or you could use the Template:merge to and Template:merge from tags, so that all the discussion is grouped together on the talk page of the new article.
The Irish fact-finding delegation would probably good for a merge to tag (with a merge from on the new article) - my guess is that there's enough reaction and controversy about the delegation that it's notable in itself, not just for any final report written by the delegation.
Human Price of Freedom ... by the local NGOs also sounds notable enough to me to remain separate.
The Bassiouni Commission IMHO should certainly stay as an independent article.
You're welcome to copy/paste these comments to the talk page of the new article once you create it. :) Boud (talk) 20:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for caring to post. I'm planning to make it a real article once it's completely finished; I don't want to make the mistake of being lazy to make a good research before creating an article again. I didn't completely understand what you mean by the dash, where did I use the wrong dash? The rest I agree with you and will probably do hopefully tonight. Bahraini Activist (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Just seen on television about Nabeel Rajab being beaten up and kicked in the head by multiple brave security police. I hope he wasn't too badly injured. I went to the NR article and noticed a mention of protesters being driven into "narrow allies" - should be "narrow alleys". I had a look for the publication of findings of the Irish delegation and couldn't find any mention either. I'll keep my eyes open. Opbeith (talk) 22:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, he got hit under his left eye and in his back. Don't worry about him; he and Alkhawaja went worse conditions in 2005 and last year. News still coming from local Bahrain human rights defenders (mainly about blocking them and other people from visiting Rajab or about him going through x-rays.. etc), but I'd rather wait till reliable news websites talk about it (heard Al Jazeera and CNN are trying to make some interviews). Bahraini Activist (talk) 22:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Don't spend too much time worrying about the dash - if you're not sure, just use the dash (or hyphen) that you think is correct and let someone else correct it for you. To handle the dash-or-hyphen correctly you need: a method of seeing the difference on your screen; a method of entering or copying/pasting the correct choice into the first place you edit; and a copy/paste or edit method that preserves the dash or hyphen that you wish to use. In case you really wish to get into this, it seems to me that User:Bahraini_Activist/Human_rights_reports_on_2011-2012_Bahraini_uprising has a hyphen in the name, not an en dash. Spend half an hour or so reading through the incredibly exciting ;) encyclopedia article dash if you're confused. It's trivial compared to the events you're helping to include in the Wikipedia, but some Wikipedians are willing to get into it, since it does have a small (tiny) role in increasing clarity. Boud (talk) 01:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
As far as I can see, the Bloody Thursday article doesn't specify where the epithet Bloody Thursday (or the others) comes from. As it's the article title you should tie this usage to a solid reference. It might also be useful to create a disambiguation page, as anyone keying in "Bloody Thursday" without specifying the year in the title format would be taken via a redirect to "1934 West Coast waterfront strike". It's not very difficult - I'd do it myself if I weren't keeping away from article involvement - but there's a potential risk of dispute as you negotiate your way round the existing redirect. (As an incidental word of warning in relation to the article, steer well clear of involving this topic with the "List of Massacres" article - the subject is a black hole for time and effort.) Opbeith (talk) 09:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
The article is still in progress and will probably change a lot when I'm done with. It definitely will specify where the epithet Bloody Thursday comes from and will work on the disambiguation page - I already have worked on stuff that before. About that topic, I'm not really interested in it and after a fast look I think it's inaccurate. Bahraini Activist (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
You seem to be one of Wikipedia's experts on the Bahraini uprising... would you have any interest in taking a quick look over Mohammed al-Tajer for errors or omissions? Cheers! -- Khazar (talk) 17:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Cheers, thanks. I think I've taken it about as far as I can with the English language web, but if you come across anything else that fits in, go for it! -- Khazar (talk) 17:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I've been reading through the work you've been doing all morning. Wikipedia needs more folks like you! Cheers, Khazar (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I saw your comment on Ameer's page, and I took a look at your contributions, and I wanted to wish you the best of luck. تعيش البحرين وسوريا وتونس ومصر وكل بلادنا وتسقط كل الأنظمة! :) Salamat. Yazan (talk) 19:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
I'd read what you published on bahrainonline Forum today and I am fully ready to participate in publishing the facts of our Revolution. To crush the gov.media and misinformation.
Please contact me for any help
dont forget that the people that were tortured are in bad condition physicly , they need psychological treatment , they don't have future because of the trials from the courts , they can't work or study because they need a paper of something like behaviour from the government , some now don't eat , they think everyone is against them ..etc
this happening to my brother , he got tortured and now he's out from prison but it's still feels like living in prison to him out side , he even almost die because of the food they eat in prison , i hope you write these things and see if this happened to the others... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark-Cloud4 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Fadhila Mubarak
Hey B.A., I know you've got plenty to do already, but I put up a new activist article you might be interested in if you know of any additional sources for it. (Even getting the Arabic spelling of her name on the article would be a help). Amnesty International named Fadhila Mubarak as a prisoner of conscience earlier today. I'm going to nominate this one for Wikipedia:Did you know tomorrow and see if I can get it some Main Page attention. Have you looked into Did You Know for your new articles, by the way? It's a great way to get exposure for all this work you've been doing. Next time that you create a new article, you might check it out. Enjoy the day! Khazar (talk) 01:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for caring to write articles about activist relating to the uprising and I'm sorry that I didn't have time to improve them further. This is a bit more detailed article about her in Bahrainrights. I'm not sure if a citation can be found, but this is the song she was listening to when she was arrested in the checkpoint. Bahraini ActivistTalk to me08:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Here's an Amnesty alert on a Canadian citizen Bahrain is planning to lock up. You know the overall articles on the uprising better than I do--is there any place to logically insert this? [1]. It doesn't look like he's notable enough for an individual article yet, but if he is imprisoned, the Canadian press will no doubt be all over it.
I'm not sure honestly. According to news he was arrested today. If he doesn't qualify for a separate article then I guess the best place would be "Censorship and repression" section in the main article 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising. Maybe we need to make a new section or article about those people who are involved, but yet still not notable enough. Here are some news related to him, which might help establish notability: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] and in Arabic: [9], [10], [11]. Bahraini ActivistTalk to me15:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I take it back, that's plenty for notability; I was foolishly Googling for his full name and didn't get those results. I'll probably try to write this one up in the next 24 hrs or so. It'd still be good to find a way to link him up with other articles to avoid his becoming an WP:Orphan, but I can probably just fit him on the template Thanks! -- Khazar (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
When the name is in Arabic, try alternative spellings (e.g. Nasser instead of Naser - I know this might be hard for you since you don't know the Arabic pronunciation).
If you can, try to get the Arabic spelling and search for news in local newspapers, most notably Al Wasat[12].
He's up. Can you add the Arabic spelling of his name in parentheses after the English spelling? It'll help Arabic speakers find the article for translation. I think I'll nominate this for DYK in the morning, so if you can think of anything else we might add, feel free! Thanks again for the help with sources. Cheers Khazar (talk) 04:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
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Sorry if I didn't choose the right term, English is not my first language. And in a way it feels like death, especially as it is the second time, and I had been so happy that he returned. You could take a few more articles on your watch list, it doesn't hurt, simply notify someone else if you can't fix something you notice. I do that for 2 users already, it's getting too much to add his giant list, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
