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Many thanks for your help. MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Leavitt
I've noticed you adding links to articles about Dudley Leavitt to a bunch of different New Hampshire articles. Most of the ones I've seen were added to articles about towns. Since the links are to information about Leavitt or his Farmer's Almanack, they aren't about the towns. Links should be to information directly related to the article you put them on - take a look at the guideline on external links for more information. You might also consider creating Dudley Leavitt (writer) or something similar. But please don't keep adding the links to inappropriate articles. Thanks, and happy editing!! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, as a new user I should have read the guidelines more closely. Many thanks for your suggestion.MarmadukePercy (talk) 16:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Charles Walcott (MP)
Your recent contribution(s) to the Wikipedia article Charles Walcott (MP) did not provide specific references or sources. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a drive to improve the quality of Wikipedia by encouraging editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. Editors may choose to remove material you have contributed if it is not verifiable. Please provide specific references in your contributions to any books, articles, websites or other reliable sources that will allow people to verify the content. You can use a citation method listed at inline citations that best suits each article. • Gene93k (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. What I added to the article was not libelous and can be supported by TIME magazine's stories at the time, written by religion writer Dick Ostling. The setting within Bakker's offices was observed, and the quote was taken directly from an interview granted by Jim and Tammy Faye. Hope this helps.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
There is no article on the William Jarvis that you're talking about.
Easy solution: write an article on the guy, prove his notability, and put him back. I don't know anything about the man, so I can't help you there. Nyttend (talk) 03:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I will write a piece on William Jarvis, thanks. I do consider it noteworthy that the citizens of Vermont and the citizens of Weathersfield, who do presumably know something about the guy, decided to erect a highway marker in his honor. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 03:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I've realised that I missed the thing about how any person recognised as of great significance in his/her field (i.e. sheep ranching in the USA) is considered notable. Nyttend (talk) 00:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
William Jarvis was far more than a 'sheep farmer.' He served several years as U.S. Consul General in Portugal by appointment of President Jefferson. Subsequently, he was considered one of the most powerful Republicans in the Connecticut River Valley and wielded a great deal of political power, according to recent histories of the area (published by Cambridge University Press). I think your scope is far too narrow. Jarvis should be considered within the scope of the times and in terms of Vermont history.MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The thing is that being a diplomat doesn't make you automatically notable (see this page for discussion that I interpret as ending that way), but being a revolutionary in his field (sheep farming) is enough. You say that he was far more than a sheep farmer: do you think that the article should be moved to William Jarvis (diplomat) or something like that? As I said before, I didn't know anything about the guy than you told me, and the only thing you told me that made me realise that he was notable (even if we only found one source about him) was the sheep. Thanks for digging up more! Nyttend (talk) 01:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. Here is a page that gives quite a bit more background on Jarvis, whose home still stands in Weathersfield Bow. Interestingly, Jarvis, who once traded across Europe in all sorts of commodities, later owned a textile mill in Quechee, Vt., that manufactured a broad cloth suit for Henry Clay, as a token from the people of Vermont to the man who worked to enact a tariff to protect their interests.William Jarvis HouseMarmadukePercy (talk) 01:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I tried to tell you that I'd written an article; apparently I wasn't clear enough. That's why I was reasoning as I was up above, and why I asked whether the article should be moved. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for preparing to expand it! Nyttend (talk) 23:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm wikifying it right now, but the article needs to be broken up some into sections, like early life, political career, sheep info, etc. Do you have more info for his early life? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for your help. Yes, I agree, it does need to be broken up into sections. I do have more info on his early life but that'll have to wait for tomorrow. Again, thank you.MarmadukePercy (talk) 06:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I thought of the book title Eats Shoots ... the other day when supplying a badly needed comma for an article, but I just enjoy the title; I'm not sure I need the whole book. Chris the speller (talk) 01:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey there, thanks for the Christmas greetings. Sorry, this is the first I've logged in in months! I figure I'll go in and update the in-line citations when I get a chance. Be well! Bowie60 (talk) 17:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
One other question, if you have the time. I got an image from the Commons that I was attempting to use on the page Christopher Levett, but even though I think I have the phrasing correct, the image doesn't upload. Am I doing something wrong? Thank you!MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Cancel that question! I figured it out, thanks.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I tagged the article with 4 projects. I left messages on the project pages, so hopefully more people will help you with the article. APKyada yada00:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the message on my talk page. No problem, the article is progressing nicely. Please note that the article has been moved to Robert Levet (one "t") which is the more common spelling. Robert Levett is now an indirect link to the article. So, whether someone looks for the name with one or two "t"s, they'll find it. Thanks, and good editing. Truthanado (talk) 00:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Yup, that sorts the issue quite neatly! thanks for responding so quickly, and kudos on the good work with articles like that. thanks again! Ironholds (talk) 11:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
The tone of the article, however, is still a bit off; its written more like an essay than an encyclopedia article, i.e "it wasnt suprising that..." and so on. it should have neutral tone. Ironholds (talk) 14:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Images
Hi
In those two cases I simply missed the copyright box again because it is so wide that the click-on field disappears when the frame is smaller. Took a while to work out how to fix it but managed. When it comes to images, KIS is the word and I stick to the simplest own- creation follow the arrows path, If I ever figure any more I will load a pic of good old Hamar. Regards Motmit (talk) 16:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for the advice. I'm still scratching my head about commons. Would love to see a pic of Hamar. Have seen one of the caricatures (drawn).
Don't know much about Sibton, although we both had an interest at Roche for different reasons. One of my problems at the moment is trying to get at an image which is loaded on Japanese Wiki. If it was on Commons I could get at it, but there is no way I can get it there myself! Regards Motmit (talk) 18:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Wow, the Japanese commons? Don't even go there! lol Seriously, I just got a message on Commons written in German. (I don't happen to speak Deutsch so it was lost on me....) :-) Good luck with that, though! As far as Sibton goes, it was the only Cistercian monastery in East Anglia. Today it's a ruin in private hands, those of the Levett-Scrivener family, one of whom married one of your de Lotbiniere folks.[2] Another case of our interests overlapping. Out of curiosity, what interested you about Roche? Best,MarmadukePercy (talk) 18:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Oops, on rereading your message, I see you're differentiating between Japanese commons and wiki. Well, I would be hopeless at either one. :-) MarmadukePercy (talk) 18:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I went to Sibton Abbey a couple of times as a teenager with Arabella Levett-Scrivener. It was very beautiful but completely ruined. I remember it being a bit of a trek, as it's not near the road. Idyllic. Wish I had a photo. Kat Montagu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.196.228 (talk) 02:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion the information removed would probably sit better on the Bodiam page, it was introduced by the slightly tenuous link "Salehurst lies approximately three miles from Bodiam, Sussex, site of Bodiam Castle." using that as a template you could add the same information to every local page, ie: just replace Salehurst with Robertsbridge, Battle etc. The links given as references are mainly Bodiam related, "Bodiam, and its lords". John Levett probably needs writing up on the Salehurst page though :) Regards Winchelsea (talk) 08:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with you. John Levett probably needs a mention on the Salehurst page. The reason I settled on Salehurst to mention him is that on Dec. 21, 1607, John Levett of Salehurst was granted arms by patent.[3] So Levett, who also contributed to the Armada loan and purchased Bodiam Castle, was then residing in Salehurst. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 20:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Wilton, Maine
If you look at the Google Books source, the reference says that it's from "Wilton, MN". Feel free to restore the paragraph if you can find a reliable source for it being from Maine, but please put it separately, rather than being in the notable natives section. Nyttend (talk) 00:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
No, I know quite little about Wilton. If I did, I would have known that "Wilton, MN" was an error and found the sources that you did :-) Nyttend (talk) 16:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Groombridge ref
Thanks for the ref, I would like to get the article up to good article sometime. Refs seem impossible to find though! Thanks again, --Cameron*11:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Got your message. No bigee. Nice to see your contributions to the various Virginia articles. I try real hard to not "stomp" on other good faith contributors. Mark Vaoverland (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Levett Family
The changes look great! The additional references should also help Levett/Leavitt researchers understand there are many families of this surname, and that the Livet lordships may not be their ancestors. If only someone from Normandy with the "de Livet" name would volunteer for a Y-DNA test! The27thmaine (talk) 22:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your message and for pointing out the need for the fix. You were exactly right and I'm glad you're happy with the way things look. You are very right, if someone from Normandy might be willing to do a swab it would be wonderful. I'm in touch with folks scattered about and if I can convince someone to do so, I surely will give it a go. Many thanks for your help and take care. Best regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of DNA testing, the Leavitt project (Leavitt FTDNA page) currently has Deacon John's sons Nehemiah, Samuel, and Josiah represented. We sure could use an Israel volunteer! And, we even pay for the (cheek swab) test. I have to admit, anxiety does set in while awaiting results (I'm a Leavitt maternally, but I took one for my surname). But when the numbers come back with a match, the years of family research sure mean a great deal more! The27thMaine (talk) 01:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Me again! Just in case you haven't checked your hotmail acct, I had sent an e-mail checking if you had received the kit from FTDNA, and/or have sent it back. They usually (but no always for some reason) send me a notice when something arrives there, and just wanted to make sure nothing had gone wrong in the process. The27thMaine (talk) 18:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Berkeley Etc
Thanks for your appreciation. I hope you didn't mind me taking out some of your purple prose, but that is what the splat seemed to ask for. Also tried to sequence it. As for the other one - looks as if it could be fun in a spare moment (and he's not one of yours!) - hope you like the pic of Hamar Regards Motmit (talk) 15:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to do it. I couldn't bring myself to go back to old Berkeley for some reason, so I'm glad you did the requisite surgery. And thanks for improving the timeline. And I did indeed enjoy the new pic of Hamar. Wish I had a good one of Berkeley. His wife Sibell got around on lots of magazine covers of the day (have seen those). Take care and regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 17:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
You did right with Meynell. Having done a few bios on 18/19 century landed people I have come across quite a few common references to hunts, and so probably there is a case for writing specific articles on them. (one day!) Regards Motmit (talk) 18:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Funny you should say that, but I was thinking the same thing. The Meynell Hunts, it would seem to me, should certainly have a page. This was an extraordinarily quirky subculture, and deserves some good prose. Thanks again for your help, and I see our interests have crossed again. Take care and regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 19:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I enjoyed your article about R.H. Leavitt and have nominated it to be featured on the main page (DYK) with the following hook:
... that the home of Massachusetts abolitionist Roger Hooker Leavitt was a sanctuary for escaped slaves and is now included in the National Underground Railroad Network to Freedom?
If it's accepted, it should appear on the Main Page over the weekend or early next week. If you were able to come up with a good quality public domain image of Leavitt, we could nominate that to go on the main page along with the hook. Keep up the good work. Cbl62 (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Never said you were proponent
Just said the article at points appear to be (where I added fact tags), biographies need independent citations, and can't have OR, and since some of it seems either opinion weasel or peacock words (no citation proving it), I tagged it so it can be improved. ηoian‡orever ηew ‡rontiers22:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I thought I said it appeared to be written from the POV of a surrogate [when briefly skimming it]. Appearances aren't always the truth. Sorry for any confusion. I didn't use coi template for that reason. Didn't mean to imply it was bad faith.ηoian‡orever ηew ‡rontiers22:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
The reason I removed these people from the list is because they were not sourced. In the past week, I have made many improvements to this article. I was hoping to give it feautured status. However, because of Wikipedia's guidelines for feautured materials, I choose to exclude the unsourced alumni, at least temporarily. They are now commented out. If you can find a source that backs up their alumni status, please add it to the article. I want this list to be as inclusive as possible.
--Pgp688 (talk) 07:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. In exchange for your help, I will add someone to the PEA Alumni article: Walter A. Brown, original owner of the Boston Celtics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgp688 (talk • contribs) 08:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I liked the changes to the lede, thanks for your contribution. The images I chose for the article were kind of random. Besides the important alumni, such as John Hancock and Samuel Adams, I chose the names that just happened to stand out at me. If I did it again, I probably would have chosen different people. (I don't know why I did not include Leonard Bernstein.) The image of Richard Morris Hunt would make an excellent addition to the list, but I am a little hesitant about it because of the public domain rationale attached to it. You can be bold and add it yourself, if you'd like. --Pgp688 (talk) 04:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
DYK for Hiram Leavitt
On 12 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hiram Leavitt, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Afraid not. Cricinfo, Kent CCC and CricketArchive (which sometimes has pictures but not in this case) would be the possible online sources. I have a couple of books, The Gloveman and Gloves Are Off (Godfrey Evans' autobiography) with numerous mentions but there's no pictures and even if there was there'd be copyright issues. --Jpeeling (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind note and all best wishes to you too for the festive season. It has been interesting work on one or two articles, and you still keep bouncing across my radar screen from the most unlikely diretions. Regards Motmit (talk) 08:59, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Kind of you to drop by and acknowledge my minor edits and what they mean. Thanks for the barnstar. I know that your encouragements to editors are a major help as well. Enjoy the holdiays. LilHelpa (talk) 22:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, still having fun pounding them out. Really like the "system" typos -- the variations on "references", "sources", "image", etc. Getting a little bolder with copy edits, but still feel there's a lot I haven't totally gripped.
Wow, that's some nice work on Hersey. Congrats. I did not know or had forgotten all about this guy and his work. The article made me realize that in my chosen WP work I mostly get to see the crappier articles. Hey! Don't get me reading articles or I won't have time to keep up with the misspellings! :) LilHelpa (talk) 00:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC) (PS: "limned" ha! good one. I had to look that one up!)
Thanks! And to you as well! Funny, I keep running into the Prinseps. The last brush was in this Chapter 1 of an online history text now being used by millions of eighth-graders in India. Go to bottom of page 6. (Note too that the newly teenaged minds are being clued in to the tricks of the illustrator's trade.) Fowler&fowler«Talk»23:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I just figured out what your problem was, you did not close the reference tag correctly (you had <ref>....../ref>), which lead the MediaWiki parser to think that you were trying to include everything below the unclosed reference tag inside the citation. I have restored the content and closed the tag correctly ([6]). Happy new year to you too :) Icewedge (talk) 00:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
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DYK for John L. Stevens
On 3 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John L. Stevens, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Given all the dyk notices above (wow are you productive!), I know you are familiar with the process but as far as I can tell you have not nominated any of your creations yourself. Would you like me to do so for the above article?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I'm surprised that after all those third party nominations, no one ever referred you to the nomination process page. Keep up the article writing. Meanwhile, I'm going to go reformat the additional references you added as I did to your earlier ones. It's not a huge deal, but you'll never get an article past a WP:FAC unless you have full refertences (and you strike me as someone who may well have an FA in his future). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
No, it's not a free photo hence it's not on Commons. One of the "fair use" bot programs tagged that picture as being used incorrectly. My normal approach on those is to remove the tag and remove it from the article for which it was not tagged. To add it back, you would need to write a second "fair use justification" block on the photo's page. I think these fair use rules are stupid, but that's how it works. If this doesn't make sense, try contacting the author of the bot program and see if they can explain it better than I. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?19:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
On January 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Leavitt, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Well, I clicked on your contribs to see what other Leavitt's you've written about, and started reading the article on Martin when noticed the vandalism. If you asked the Martin chapter of the SAR for permission to save and use the portrait of Gen Martin from their website, I bet they would. After all, You DID make a page on Wikipedia about THE man they are named after (and interested parties can follow the external link right back to their organization)! The27thMaine (talk) 21:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
You flatter me in saying I have an eye for detail; in fact, I've been taking a random walk through Wikipedia finding articles that fit in this category. I'm sure I've overlooked many... --Orlady (talk) 06:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll post more later about this wonderful start to an FA, but time is short to get this in for DYK. How does this strike you: Did you know:
... that Pulitzer Prize-winning writer and journalist, John Hersey's 31,000-word article "Hiroshima" was described by Time Magazine as "the most celebrated piece of journalism to come out of World War II"?
There's so much material here for a submission but 200 characters is the suggested upper limit foir DYK hooks and this hook happens to be exactly 200.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I am not an FA expert but I do have some suggestions. First there are many unsourced sentences—even whole paragraphs. Every paragraph needs a reliable source which verifies all the content, and where a reference is placed in the middle of the paragraph, any sentences appearing thereafter also need a source. The lead is a good start but it won't pass FA. The lead must attempt to effectively summarize the entire article in three to four paragraphs and nothing in the lead should be a fact that isn't cited later in the article, with more detail. The breadth of coverage is not enough I think. I assume you've looked at the featured article criteria, which requires the article to be comprehensive. While there are relatively short FAs, someone like John Hersey has a lot written aout him, and just judging by length, I don't think this would be near broad enough coverage. Maybe there is little detail on his early life but is "Born in Tientsin, China, to missionaries Roscoe and Grace Baird Hersey, John Hersey learned to speak Chinese before he spoke English. He returned to the United States with his family when he was ten years old" really all there is on his childhood to discuss? What were his parents' professions? How was he schooled until ten? This almost cries out for a sourced sentence saying "little is known about his early years" if this is really all there is. Don't for a second get me wrong: you've done great work taking this from what it was to here. But FAs require huge effort—this is a very good start but I think there's still a long road to travel.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
The DYK was rejected as I knew it might be as the actual prose expansion of the article text itself wasn't quite fivefold, which is the technical rule, though I thought it might sneak in since counting the notes and references, it was almost a 6x expansion. C'est la guerre.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I was glad to help, it saddens me a little some of the essential history topics do not receive enough attention sometimes. I just could not leave poor Tom with a references needed tag! Thank you for helping out, and if we really want to get ambitious, we could read this biography and really expand it. Scapler (talk) 22:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Hingham's Main Street
Hi. I'm suspect that Eleanor Roosevelt's "most beautiful Main Street in America", 'with its stately eighteenth- and nineteenth-century houses and, at the time, a canopy of elm trees', comment was referring to the stretch between Cedar and Cushing Streets, more or less, not to the downtown blocks shown in either File:HinghamMainStreet.jpg or Image:MainStreetHingham.jpg.
—WWoods (talk) 06:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Re: Time magazine
I didn't actually block the editor for anti-Semitism (I'm not an admin anyway) - someone else did for a different incident.
Thanks for noticing. I was inspired because a friend of mine just attended the Prinsep Ghat Cultural Festival at Calcutta, a unique cultural event organised by the Indian National Trust for Art and Cultural Heritage.
FYI: one of my best old American friends from my "India days" graduated from Phillips Exeter, However my daughter graduated from Phillips Andover and some of her friends wore T shirts saying "Friends don't let friends go to Exeter". Cheers, :-)Marcus (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
