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User talk:Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas/Archive 7
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Thanks for uploading Image:TvMC_Panoramic.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --Pilatus 03:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC) Jeyaraj has been proposed for deletion. Please provide sources for the information. NickelShoe 02:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/31/stories/2006013114800600.htm
Sorry, I did not mean that an artist's skillfulness can be "proven". I was not thinking of the correct words when I made that statement. I was thinking more about verifiability, since the paragraph I had removed did not appear to be verifiable. By the way, if you could find the source of the statement that "Jeyaraj has been drawing for various magazines for 25 years", that would be an excellent indication of how skillful he is. And once we have the source for it, we should then put it in right away. — Kimchi.sg | Talk 13:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC) What to do if there are no internet pages that tell that line. This is the problem with articles dealing with topics from non English Issues Doctor Bruno 13:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC) For example see [[2]] where it is given that Kannadasan told about Jeyaraj It was after seeing this man that I wrote Kalaigalile Aval Oviyam." In the song `Kalangalil Aval Vasantham,' the poet describes the heroine as the Spring among seasons and painting as supreme among the fine arts. Kannadasan died way back in 1981. I am sure that this is not something that stands with {[Verifiability]]. But there are very few articles about Tamil People who are not sportsperson or Cinema Artists Doctor Bruno 13:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
There are papers and magazines in Tamil which do not even have an online edition, let alone something that is accesible for paid useers. Any way, I will try to give some references (from standard books) while updating the article in futureDoctor Bruno 12:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC) First clinical syndromeAbout your article First Clinical Syndrome, I have changed it to a redirect to the article medical student syndrome. Medical student syndrome is a much more commonly used term, and the phenomenon is a global one. Therefore, there shouldn't be different articles for the same term in regional dialects of English. You are free to add more to medical student syndrome. I couldn't find anything in your article to merge, however. Graham talk 10:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
TamilOrangeWhere did you get the etymology for the word 'orange'? It needs to be cited because every source I've consulted gives a different story.--Hraefen 17:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
HelloI saw your comments on my talk page - life is a process of learning, and we continue to learn. I have seen most of South India, as an internal auditor of my Bank - I have also been to your native palce - I hope to see you, at least talk with you over phone. Have a nice time, and all the best! --Bhadani 17:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Mass messagesSome of the places you have been placing your messages are completely inappropriate; in particular Talk:Larry Sanger and User:Larry Sanger/Origins of Wikipedia. Please don't do this, and I would encourage you to avoid spamming the User Talk pages of lots of people, too. If you have an issue that you would like admins to deal with, it is better to post a single message to the Administrator's Noticeboard. — Matt Crypto 11:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
NohatI find your behaviour towards Nohat more troubling than his to you. Please try to solve things in a more CIVIL mannor, and try to work together instead of quizzing him on qualificiations. Try to from a concencious, not an arguement. Also as pointed out qualificiations are not required to edit here, and asking a user the level of knowledge of something while in a dispute with them will only cause more problems than it will solve. Also him asking an ISBN # is to verify the source, I find it odd that Indian books do not have them, what do they use instead? If you feel you require help dealing with this user, follow the links on the WP:AN for dispute resolution at the top. Posting this dispute to the WP:AN is not the right thing to do at all. Mike (T C)
Can you please explain to me as to why I cannot assume I am correct. Ask Nohat to prove that the word "nal" has been lost from Tamil. If not he has to apologise. What will you do when some user goes on vandalising pages. You ban him. Why do you have special privilages for an Administrator who says that a word has been lost from a language. Is it not insulting to the language, the culture and the crores of people for whom this is a mother tongue. 95 % Indian books do not have ISBN. Well as I have already given, the Bible published till 19th century did not have ISBN. It is like that only. Only 5 % of Indian books have ISBN. On the other hand, how come this user has not given a source for a post he made telling that a word has been lost in Tamil. How can he tell such false allegationse. He did not give any proof for that. When I ask him his credentials to level such a stance, he calls my question as stupid. Is this to be tolerated. He calls me stupid for asking a legitimate question (after he uttered an TOTALLY INCORRECT INFORMATION). I demand an apology. And you find MY behaviour more troubling. I cannot understand this I am NOT ASSUMING that I am correct. HE IS WRONG. That has been proved. The User has given as COMPLETELY BASELESS INCORRECT ALLEGATION about a language. He says that a word does not exist in Tamil, where as in fact it very well exists. There is no need for mediation here. Let me clear the situation for you. Nohat said that Protodravidian for 4 is naL, where as 4 in Tamil does not have the "L" and hence ......... He went to the extent of telling that the word "Nal" has been lost from Tamil. THe word "Nal" has NOT been lost from Tamil. It is still used in Tamil in the day to day workds Naalavathu (meaning fourth) and Naalvagai (meaning four kinds). In fact "Nal" as well as "naangu" means four in tamil. My concern is "how can nohat (or for that matter anyone) tell that the word Nal (or for that matter any word) has been lost from Tamil, where as it is been still used in day to day life. What right does he have to proclaim a word as "lost". WHen we say that words are lost from a language, it means that the language is dying. Isn't it. I find it very odd that some one can insult some one so publically and yet get away without apologising. Is this the way this WIKIPEDIA runs. Moreover, lot of books related to this are in Tamil. How can he go through them when he does not even have the basic knowledge of the language. Is it not odd that he does not even know a word in tamil, but tells that the word naal does not exist in tamil. Who gives him such rights.Doctor Bruno 18:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
ISBNWith due respect to you, I am astonished that you "find it hard to believe that Indian books do not carry ISBN numbers." THis is called as Cultural Divide, where in you are not able to accept that there is a world outside your country. By the way, even Bible did not have an ISBN number when it was published for 19 centuries in 200 languages till the 20th century. I am not talking about one word or one article alone, but I am worried, that most of the Wikipedians do not understand other cultures, other countries or other languages. In India we have Medical Colleges (not medical schools). We are not permitted to have an article about "Medical Colleges". Instead the article on Medical College automatically redirects to Medical School. I get a reply that there is "nothing called as Medical College". The truth is that the administrator is NOT AWARE of the concept of Medical College. WHen he does not know anything he automatically assumes that it does not exist. What to say about this. In this regard, (I am sorry to say) I find the users from the so called developed American and European nations who are so adamant and do not even believe that there is a world where there are drinks other than cola, and dress other than shirts. The same with ISBN :) :-) Doctor Bruno 18:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
About editingI honestly do not have the time to add more information to an existing article. I try to work on whatis available. Anyone is welcome to expand the article then i can work in tandem to wikify the article. Nivus|(talk)|(desk) 09:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC) You are doing a great work. And i am grateful that you are not moving the contents from the Article Section to the Talk Page, instead of deleting that altogether. Carry the good work. All the bestDoctor Bruno 12:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC) CricketSachin TendulkarWhat you call negative points remain because they are cited as per WP:V - feel free to add positive points (as you call them) if they are from reputed sources such as Wisden. Do remember to adhere to WP:NPOV. --Gurubrahma 13:22, 18 March 2006 (UTC) He has scored runs. Why can't that be added. I feel that his failures fill the page rather than the success.Doctor Bruno 13:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC) The current state of the article (before your edits) doesn't have my endorsement and I do realise that it has POV issues. However, the way to remove it is not through adding other POV. Regular editors like me try hard to maintain whatever sanctity remains and then work slowly in removing all POV - however, we never succeed because some one else comes along, doesn't spend time in understanding the policies of WP (doesn't spend time to even check the relevant links) and adds his own POV. Very few interact the way you do, and your interacting is a good thing, no doubt, but even in your case, I prefer that you read all the links rather than raise questions. --Gurubrahma 17:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC) I was a bit confused. When my line comparing sachin with other batsman (in Pakistan) was removed, I thought may be it was a policy (this is Sachin's page, why bring others). But 2 paras above, there were a lot of remarks (Rahul scored when sachin did not score etc). THat was Why I asked you.Doctor Bruno 17:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC) Rahul DravidHi! Your edits to the Rahul Dravid article though well cited was deleted by me. The second statement you added under criticism was in first person & also did not adhere to NPOV. It's a good thing that you cite your sources (most people don't even do that!) but remember to get as close as you can to NPOV. I hope this won't discourage you from editing. Thanks
I have just one doubt. Is criticsm against NPOV Doctor Bruno 14:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. That was a mistake. I have removed that. I did not realise the wrong filter used. Doctor Bruno 02:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC) Ayyavazhi and DuryodhanaWhile there is nothing wrong in mentioning Duryodhana in the Ayyavazhi articles, it is not appropriate to insert it in the main Duryodhana article. Ayyavazhi is not notable enough to be mentioned there and in a number of places. It is the same as including Ayyavazhi in the Menstrual cycle article (see [4]). There is nothing wrong creating dozens of Ayyavazhi articles, but it is wrong creating links from every possible location on WP. - Parthi 20:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC) AyyavazhiWhen you have * 13.1 Buddhism on menstruation * 13.2 Christianity on menstruation * 13.3 Hinduism on menstruation * 13.4 Islam on menstruation * 13.5 Judaism on menstruation * 13.6 Sikhism on menstruation * 13.7 Tribal societies and menstruation * 13.8 Mysticism What is wrong in Having Ayyavazhi on Menstraution Please note that I am not a follower of that religion, but I feel that we don't have any right to deny an existence of a religion. When you permit Tribal societies and Mysticism, I feel that Ayyavazhi has a place. This is my opinion. Please correct me if I am wrong. I want a discussion and not argument Doctor Bruno 03:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC) Similarly, I feel that it should be included in the list of religions also Doctor Bruno 03:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
DuryodhanaWhen you are mentioning "In Kumaon region of Uttranchal" in the page of Duryodhana and not limiting to mention Duryodhana in Kumaon (for example), I think the same logic should be followed for Ayyavazhi also Again this is MY opinion and I would like to see a consensus Doctor Bruno 03:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC) Please correct me if I am wrong. I want a discussion and not an argument The following copied from User talk:Venu62 - Parthi 19:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC) RecognitionWith reference to your comment on my talk page that "Ayyavazhi is not even a recognised religion in India", Sorry for my ignorance. What is a "recognised religion" in India By the way, my district collector (meaning State Govt) declares an holiday on one of their festivals [5] Any how, my simple question is that "Just because we are not aware of something, it is justified that we oppose articles about it in Wikipedia" Again this is MY opinion and I would like to see a consensus Doctor Bruno 12:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC) I suppose the census data is one of the things that distinguish a 'recognised' relegion. This page contains the data from the 2001 census and a spreadsheet which contains state-wise data. The data from Tamil Nadu has the number of Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Budhists, Others and Relegion not stated. There are 54985079 Hindus, 7252 'others' and 59344 who have not stated their relegion. Obviously, the government has not counted Ayyavazhi as a seperate relegion. Tintin (talk) 13:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC) The government in 2001 may not have counted Ayyavazhi as a seperate religion. But the same government declares an occasion as Gazetted Holiday in 2006 (for the first time). Does it tell you something. If there is a change in 2006, why not we accept that Doctor Bruno 16:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
NotabilityDear Parthi, I accept that I can't claim notability for the three-eyed monkey just because myself and a friend of mine have seen it. What I am telling is that I can't claim non-existence for the three-eyed monkey just because myself and a friend of mine have not seen it, but unfortuantely many people, perhaps being over zealous in preserving notability (which is per se not wrong), go over board and assume from the other end. I agree that few users (or rather one user), if unchecked, would have created such an impression as if Ayyavazhi was the most dominant religion in India and we have the moral obligation to oppose that. But my question was "are we justified to be over zealous to remove the name from the list of religions page". If you reflect now (as you have already said), the name deserves a mention in the list of religions page. But Why did you delete it three times from that page ?? Please note that this is not a personal question. I have told from the first instance that I am not endorsing the hyperactive pro-ayyavazhi wikipedians. My aim in this discussion is to bring to your (and other wikipedian's) notice the above phenomenon of claiming non-existence for the three-eyed monkey just because myself and a friend of mine have not seen it which has been growing in the (correct) aim of preserving notability. And then there are few other problems also 1. Most Indian books do not have ISBN 2. Many Indian Books are not available in Amazon 3. Most Indian Books are not indexed by Google Books. (You have to send the book to their address and for that postage costs atleast 10 times the cost of the book) Hence you cannot say that some thing is not notifiable just because it is not found in these places I can give another example. See [[6]] How to substantiate the claim that J is a skilled illustrator ??? Which book with ISBN can you quote for that or is there a book in Amazon with his illustrationsDoctor Bruno 12:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC) Village deitiesIf you're anywhere near Kovilpatti, you can ask someone about these deities and where they're situated. I know of at least one Muthalaiyamman temple near the Bazaar in Ettayapuram. There are many temples of Vandimalaiyasamy in Naduvirpatti at Ettayapuram. The one in south street of Naduvirpatti has a stone sculpture in sitting posture. But, I'd be more interested in majestic clay statues that are in lying posture. Actually, having both these photos could help to illustrate the influence of organised hinduism on these village practices. If you're going to Ettayapuram, just mail me and I'll give you my grandfather's contact number. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
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