16:03, 9 March 2008 Mallanox (Talk | contribs) deleted "Artificial Studios" (WP:PROD, reason was 'no sources to indicate this company meets the notability requirements of WP:CORP'.)
Hi Mallanox, Artificial Studios is a pretty well known game studio in my crowd (ok I worked there, but didn't create/edit the page), so seeing it missing today was a shock. I guess the page was ill-written, lacking appropriate references that WP:CORP was met. I just wanted to post here, so either you can consider a revert, or do not doom the page if it's recreated. Here are some references from reputable sources:
Thanks, props to you and everyone working to keep wikipedia what it is.
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Configuration Workgroup deletion
Could you please explain why you consider the Configuration Workgroup as non-notable? It's a pretty big user group with about 600 member companies, so I would have expected it to be notable. I've also seen another comment in this talk page of somebody removing the prod tag because he/she thinks the organisation is notable. Can you please comment on that and, if you agree, undo the deletion? I really think that the CWG is interesting for the public. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karlheinz.agsteiner (talk • contribs) 08:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mallanox,
thanks for your reply on my talk page. I hope this is the right place to answer (sorry, major Wikipedia newbie here).
It's good to know your reasons behind the deletion. Actually the friend that was finding out about the CWG page having been deleted was about to add helpful content, so if you undelete our page we'll be happy to add more information; we just wanted (and still want) to keep it brief.
As for external references: we're short on actual press coverage (is this a prerequisite for a Wikipedia entry? Particularly in the user groups area I've found quite a number of wikipedia entries (like the HURD users group or my new favorite, the Commodore Users Group of Saskatchewan) that don't.
Yes, that's mostly announcements, but I guess that's normal for a user group - member companies want to announce that they are happy members of the group.
Karlheinz Karlheinz.agsteiner08:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Zvents deletion
Hey Mallanox, I'd love your consideration of the content about Zvents which was as impartial as possible, even highlighting competitors and focusing on unique benefits such as their open source work with Apache and developer tools rather than the business proposition. If you look at Alexa you'll see that their traffic is growing significantly while competitors are largely stagnant or in decline. While comparisons can be drawn to other event websites, they are also unique, not focusing on the social networking opportunity but developing a Search technology, truly reinventing local search which today is limited to business listings and reviews.
Turkish reggae
That this article does not exist anywhere on the Net, but by the imagination of its author (a two second time out on Google suffices to see the point), then surely for the reasons you give there is no need for speedy deletions of any articles at all? I'll just open any article I like, contest the deletion, add a single sentence on the talk page and leave it at that shall I? I am not going to contest this further, but will let the article remain, and when it is finally figured out that Wikipedia can be used to invent new categories and genres, thus denting its rep more, we can turn to you and say thanks for the contribution. It's people like you that make Wikipedia a trusted and reliable source of information. Deff613:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
'Think of it this way, we shouldn't keep an article just because one person says it's true, nor should we delete it because one person says it's not.' It's not one person saying it's not - it is the RESEARCH done and that I've provided that say so. But I will not contest it. I will just start opening up nonsense articles everywhere and contest their deletion and use your reasoning shall I? Let's start taking up Afd's time with articles that are absolute nonsense from the get-go - and further block those articles that really call for it. Did you check that user's past contributions? They continually use celebrity gossip on artist pages, fail to give fair use rationales for any uploaded media, and like to add stuff on Wikipedia that "they remember" without sufficient source. As I've said, I'll let it remain, as a testament to your good works at Wikipedia. Deff613:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your hast deletion of the dirt dart page before I had a chance to disagree. Rather than delete, could this be placed under U.S. Army slang section?
Ha Ha, I meant hasty. Thanks for your help.
XL-EasyGantt
Dear Mallanox,
Instead of deleting XL-EasyGantt immediately, probably you could have dicussed about it isn't it? Or at least try to find out more and see how can the article be improved.
In what way do you see that the XL-EasyGantt page.. (now gone) was different from the rest of the software listed in List of project management software page? Some of which don't even have proper content and just contains some skeleton page without useful information. Would appreciate if you could explain the differences. Thanks.
Dear Mallanox, thank you for your reply. I have posted my reasons at Renesis's talk page.
As said, Excel based gantt tools are notable and should have a category of their own as they fit the gaps between people who struggle to use spreadsheets to create gantt charts and those using standalone project tools who need to distribute charts to team members who do not have such tools installed. Excel based tools come in very useful. XL-EasyGantt is not the only tool that makes use of Excel, but it is one good representative product.
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Hello you did not even give me a chance !! I am going to complain to the administrators about this!!! I tagged this article to give me a chance!! Arden Wohl is a notable person and many articles have been written about her!!!!!!!!
Can you tell me how to keep ARdens s article up?:O)
Hi - You mentioned here that Wyndham-Quin was an MP - this is not mentioned in the article. Furthermore, his peerage was hereditary, which does not confer notability. - Tiswas(t)14:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see the MP bit now - I would most likely not have tagged it, had I seen it in the succession box. I'll edit it into the main article, as it is the only thing that WW-Q5EoDaM-E has done of note. Insofar as peerage guidelines - there are none, as far as I know, which is why I apply the usual WP:BIO, WP:N tests - Tiswas(t)14:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Solutions Twin Cities
Dear Mallanox,
I must say I'm rather astonished by the rapid deletion of a page I spent many hours today researching and carefully constructing. I return to check on it just a few hours after completion, and notice that it is gone due to poor notability? This is an important organization in the Twin Cities that in one outing gathered far more people than the presentations by Worldchaning. How is this any less relevant than its sister presentation formats that are on wikipedia, such as Pecha Kucha and Lightning Talk. I submit to you that if Solutions Twin Cities deserves to be deleted, so do these other pages.
Is there a way I can get a copy of all the text I wrote? I'd like to perhaps add it again once it's had more events and created a great significance.
aha, well, i see u also changed the Styria to Styria (dis.) - ok, but i would prefer the other way; this what Styria means, the state of styria. please, let me change it. thanx a lot and by, Enlarge17:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey I'm wondering why Winchell got deleted? You say no content. I quite dutifully filled out the required forms, hit submit, created the talk page, etc. When I recreated it I even put the hangon tag on it while I looked for other references. Now it's gone, and unfortunatley I didn't save my prior owrk anywhere but wikipedia. Anyway, I'd like to know by what process it got deleted, and under what policies it was chosen for discorporation. Mathiastck23:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
==Arden Wohl== can you check this out now,..my reason for wanting Arden Wohl in wiki is she is going to be a formidable force in using her movies to bring attention to exploited children....thanks, it would mean alot to me if you restored this article..I think it looks sweet right now... please let me know...I think the page looks pretty cool now!!!
About Miramax, the work he supposedly was asked to do for them was a submission that they showed up in this website. It is the same movie that was select in a web poll for Slamdance (not getting a major prize, tjhe prize was just being screened).
Thanks for your kind message. I am sorry to insist on this, the thing is that I try to research a lot my AfDs to not do any injustices, and I am quick to admit when I make a mistake. I understand that this was a long and painful discussion to read and closing articles take a long time.
About the NY Film Festival, there was an exposure in Village Voice in 10/1997 - since I did not read the article, I cannot cite it. The best articles I could provide are this and this. Looks pretty clear that it is a commercial event without anyartistic value, but there was not a court ruling or anything like that. I can tell you that when you get a place in the Fest you get 50 tickets, and if you buy your way to their "cannes festival" counterpart you get even more. Other than that, not much to say. I do not think this can be considered a serious festival, crooked or not. From what I heard, to get an audience award is just a matter of bringing the most friends to watch it and vote; but this is entirely original research, not acceptable.Anedoctal: [1], [2], dozens more.
About the Miramax, my point is that it does not have anything to do with Miramax properly, it was just somebody that created the site and was accepting any contribution on the website. You can see that the contributions included even Jpegsin the links.(Forum Page,rules to submission page)
I would really appreciate if you could get the discussion reopened, so at least we can hear more people on it. In the end, there was one delete(my vote), two weak deletes, and one keep (counting her two votes as one). Stellatomailing03:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Mallanox, I apologize for circumventing my blockage and I will not / have not made any additional comments or edits. I simply wish to thank you for your decision and apologize for my behavior. I'm learning how wikipedia operates and apologize for any wrong-doing. The sockpuppet argument is irrelevant to this, because I'm very happy to take credit for my actions, but the only person to discuss the sockpuppet case on that page so far (other than Stellato) has thought the evidence was flimsy. Aside from this, I'd like to point you to [3] where Stellato refers to me as "Maranda" and even in this conversation refers to me as female. I'm not female, I'm a man. I've never posted my real name on any of wikipedia and don't exactly know where Stellato is getting that information... but more importantly I am concerned that Stellato is trying to make threatening "real world" postures by posting what he thought was personal information about me. That's the reason I've circumvented the block. I'm afraid that in my time being blocked Stellato will try to post more information about me, whatever he may find. It's inappropriate and I'd like to ask your help in stopping it from happening. I'm perfectly happy to keep to myself and not bother Stellato again, but I'm much more personally shaken by what Stellato's done. I think it reaches far beyond my vandalism and straddles the line to "real world" stalking. Again, I apologize for breaking protocol in this manner. My talk page is still open to my editing and I will be glad to reply to you there if you choose to respond to me. Thank you for your time. - wikimegamaster
If I could choose, I would reopen just to save the trouble, but that's me being lazy. I Think I will wait a bit to renominate, maybe next week. What is your opinion(about 2nd AfD next week)? Thanks for your help!Stellatomailing00:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please Could you explain this
Given that the majority of votes was to keep the article: "List of synagogues in the United States" why did you delete it? There was no consensus to do so. Please do not understand this as an attack. I am merely trying to understand how wikipedia operates. I am somewhat baffled on this one. Heliumballoon18:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mallanox, please could you advise how we can get our Camera Club page resurrected on Wikipedia ? We are a valid non-profit organisation based in Hong Kong encouraging photographers of all levels to get involved. Please advise, thanks, Rick.
Hi Mallanox, thanks for fixing my article, it looks pretty good now...now please vote to keep hehe
hey Mallanox, my email is screwed up!!! I cant send anything we can talk here if you want..thanks again for helping...!!
This Suffering
HEY!!! there is no frikken link saying "THIS SUFFERING IS THE NEXT SINGLE" so either take the part out saying that it's the next single or delete the article for me please!
Thanks!!
Hi, Mallanox,
I just wanted to thank you very much for reverting the vandalism to my user page. I was out of town for a week AND my internet has been down-- hence my lack of activity on Wikipedia :-(
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Wilton, Wessex, etc.
Hi. I'm a bit curious about your reversion of my edit to Salisbury based on the fact that Wilton, Wiltshire says that it was the capital of Wessex. What the article actually says, at least at present, is:
The history of Wilton dates back to the Anglo-Saxons in the 8th century, and by the late 9th century (if not before) it was the capital of 'Wiltunscire', a region within the ancient Kingdom of Wessex.
As far as I can see, that's the only use of the word "capital" in the article, and it doesn't say at all that Wilton was the capital of Wessex, only that it was the capital of a region called Wiltunscire which lay within Wessex. (Cf. "Albany is the capital of New York, a region within the United States", which does not mean that Albany is the capital of the US.) Marnanel01:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Information about an organization of over 1500 members worldwide is notable
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Preity Zinta FA
Hi there. The Preity Zinta article has recently achieved A-class status. Due to the wealth of support I have decided to now nominate for an FA class article which I believe and judging by the comments of others is pretty much up to. In my view it is better than some existing FA actor articles. I would therefore be very grateful if you could give it a final review in your own time and leave your comments and views at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Preity Zinta. Thankyou, your comments are always valuable.♦ Sir Blofeld ♦"Talk"?10:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project'sLove Boat newsletter from your cruise directorMiss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!
Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>.
Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.
"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.
Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?
Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.
Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).
Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.
Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!
Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).
Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out.
In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen!
Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken!
It's Britney, Bitch!
Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think".
Game show for nerds
Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do.
Jón Þór Birgisson
I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me".
Everybody loves a sequel
Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win??
Not quite the second coming, but special just the same
Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!"
Battle of the Wikipedia Stars!
Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts.
Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!).
Santa needs elves
Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future.
Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D
Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line.
Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East.
Ambrosia
Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia!
Christmas came early
Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct!
You!
Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa!Delirious Dong Zhi!Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life!
May we all have a joyous holiday season, and a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous 2008.
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Ms Julie is .. unavailable .. this month, so Isaac and Gopher have stepped in to put this newsletter thing together. We may not be as funny as you're used to, but if you'd like a free drink, come see me at the bar. That might help. Maybe. And no, there aren't any flashing lights or fancy pictures this month - I'm still recovering from a whopping hangover. Julie's recovering too, but that's a story I'll let her tell.
Two New Featured Articles (and...)
Emma Goldman was promoted to Featured status on 2007December 27. If you don't know Ms. Goldman, she was a Lithuanian anarchist. Aren't many of those around, really, so having one of our very own is special. She'll be dancing the Cha-Cha on the Promenade deck later tonight.
Ann Bannon was promoted to Featured status on 2007December 3. Faithful readers may remember Moni moaning that we didn't mention this promotion in the last newsletter. Happy now?
The marathon efforts of Dev920 against her astonishing abilities of procrastination continued this month, and she managed to update the Portal's main articles. Whether she will finally beat her procrastination pixies in submission and update the biographies remains to be seen, but Jeffpw has leapt to the rescue and taken it upon himself to do all our lovely news. Friends, lend us your goodwill and your eyeballs, and mosey on over to see all Jeff's hard work.
Also, back in October 2007, Allstarecho and Benjiboi worked diligently on the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" and "WP:LGBT Random Picture" sections of the portal. They added many new quotes and pictures but, and yes here's the cat's meow friends... you can now use these on your own user pages! To add the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} And to add the "WP:LGBT Random Picture" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} If you'd like to see it in action, check out Allstarecho's userpage for both in action and Benjiboi's talk page for the Quotes in action!
The long, slow race toward FP status continues...
Bisexual Awareness Month
Folks in Utah are celebrating Bisexual Awareness Month. For our own wikicelebration, Alison suggests we try to bring Bisexuality at least up to good article status. Working on the Utah article would be encouraged, but do it stealthily - they don't like us to be *too* open.
A cunning plan
In a move sure to bring her fame and fortune at last, Dev920 (talk·contribs) has proposed that an FA buddying system be set up, to help nudge frightened tikes who also happen to write killer ass articles over that initial first FAC hurdle. Anyone interested in shepherding duties, or anyone interested in being made to lie beside still waters (handcuffs are optional), do drop Dev an RSVP so she can start battering those darned pixies...
Zigzig20s has mentioned a desire to work on .. desire. Specifically literature by and about LGBT desire. To facilitate "LGBT Literature" taskforce, there will be shuffleboard and lesbian fiction on the foredeck later in the afternoon. Signup if you're interested.
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Wolverton Town Band deletion
Hi Mallanox,
My submission was deleted and I was hoping you could explain how I could make the information appropriate for it to be kept.
Sorry for the intrusion but could you look at this article? A series of anon IPs (same person based on comments) has added an unusual addition under popular culture with no attribution other than his/her viewpoint/OR. Of a more serious nature, the editor has also made inappropriate comments on the article's discussion page and my talk page. Thanks for your assistance. FWIW, I may be asking a number of admins for their review of the article. Bzuk (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Yes, it's a shame you missed out on that one. Many editors got involved, it was quite fatiguing. Perhaps it will be rediscovered twenty years from now, we can all have a chance at it again.--76.245.122.159 (talk) 02:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Project member Moni3 has been working on the article for Barbara Gittings and noted that the Lambda Literary Foundation used the lead paragraph from Wikipedia, skillfully and lovingly written by Moni3, verbatim in the Lambda Literary Pioneers calendar. Moni3 contacted the Lambda Literary Foundation to let them know, and to ask if we could get a little write-up in the next Lambda Book Report. There is a preliminary text you can find here. Feel free to add to it. It should be no longer than 1,000 words, and it needs to be submitted by March 15.
Place yourself in a user category so you can collaborate with other LGBT/Allied Wikipedians!
Mostly for allies of LGBT people; To place yourself in Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues, just add [[Category:Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add this userbox by placing {{User:UBX/LGBTinterest}} on your userpage.
Mostly for people who identify as either Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender; To place yourself in Category:LGBT Wikipedians, just add [[Category:LGBT Wikipedians|?]] to your userpage and change the question mark to your username OR add a userbox found at User:Xaosflux/UBX/Sexuality#Sexual orientation.
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Hi. I see that you removed the speedy deletion tag from Dwight Tom. The article mentions that its subject founded several non-notable businesses - I don't see how that qualifies as an assertion of notability. Can you explain this? I'm new here. Thanks. -- Sleepaholic (talk) 16:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi can I ask why you deleted this page? It was deleted a few minutes ago and I just got restored by SchuminWeb. You can see the conversation we had about it on the bottom of his talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SchuminWeb
I created that article on lastfm and they have a statement on their pages that says "All submitted content remains copyright of the author, and is licensed under the GFDL." Surely that means that I can use it here
Hi, you don't know me, but perhaps you may be interested in Mallanox, a Wikipedia user attack page. I've nominated it for deletion and warned the user. Just letting you know that you're starting quite a fan club there. :-) Have a great day! - Jameson L. Taitalk ♦ contribs20:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, I notice you declined the speedy I put on the above article for the following reason "Speedy deletion declined. Discography suggests notability". I was just wondering if you could explain this for me. The article was previously deleted under db-band, for failing to assert notability, and this is an identical version of the article as far as I can see. The record label is not notable (Nightmare Records redirects to Lance King), with no notable bands signed. None of their albums have articles (Present Day is in fact linked to present day, as in today). I fail to see how the article currently satisfies any of the criteria at WP:Band. Cheers. Nouse4aname (talk) 08:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Morsekode
Hi-
Can you please explain why the article for Morsekode was taken down? I understand the rationale of "blatant advertising," but I don't see how it applies here. The article was written objectively and merely described the products and services offered (along with describing the history, etc.). Sources were cited.
I guess I'm just struggling to see how any company could have a Wikipedia page if this was considered blatant advertising. If describing the services offered constitutes advertising, then how do any service agencies have Wikipedia pages? Take Campbell Mithun for example? They list slogans and their clients, and describe the services they offer. There are no external resources cited. What makes that not considered advertising? This is merely one example that I found - I'm sure there are plenty more...
Sorry, this was my first entry and I'm just confused as to how I could possibly write about any service provider without it being considered blatant advertising. I just want to learn how to contribute, since I thought the article was written very objectively and did not "advertise," so much as state the services provided.
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Re:Katagory V
Hey, no that's fine, I understand. It has survived an AfD, so it is obviously worthy of staying. It's just I have seen numerous random band articles spring up, and thought this was another! Thanks for getting back to me. Nouse4aname (talk) 07:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I would like to shift Öchsle scale to Oechsle scale and therefore need to have the latter speed-deleted. "Öchsle" is the wrong lemma as the guy it was named after was called "Oechsle". So the Umlaut isn't a suitable substitute for the diphthong here, the same way that "Göthe" isn't an acceptable spelling of "Goethe". Thanks. Maikel (talk) 21:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I hear what you're saying but it is a possible mis-spelling. It does no harm to leave the redirect there. Thanks, Mallanox20:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said above: I would like to shift the article from Öchsle scale to Oechsle scale, but to do that I need to have the redirect at Oechsle scale deleted first. This is an everyday procedure, it's annoying that it's taking so long and that I have to do so much explaining. Thanks. Maikel (talk) 08:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the page move.
I don't think I've been discourteous, but I'll let you be the judge of that.
I noticed you declined the speedy at Chirundu.com Could you show me where notability was asserted per WP:WEB? They claimed a small amount of users, but that doesn't establish notability per the guideline and honestly the citation is a facebook page which doesn't even contain any mention of a user count (let a lone it wouldn't be reliable). There is a piece of a self-serving promotion in the social importance section, but just flowery text which makes the website sound important without actually satisfying the criteria. It's biggest claim is "it is probably the largest internet based community in Zimbabwe." is completely unsourced and sounds like editorial opinion in line with the rest of the self-promotion, and yet even if it were true still wouldn't satisfy the notability guidelines. If I missed something, I apologize, but I don't see how the equivalent of "This site is awesome!" should be enough to avoid speedying obvious COI spam.--137.186.84.54 (talk) 16:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, speedy deletion criteria are very tight. The article must make NO assertion of notability to be deleted. They don't have to pass WP:WEB or any other notability criteria. Have a look at WP:CSD for the full info. Thanks, Mallanox10:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This seems like it is against the spirit of the rule. The rule seems to be in place to avoid blatant advertising and self-promotion. A vague, false, or otherwise unsourced note of notability which wouldn't even satisfy the criteria were it proven true shouldn't be license for people to keep content on wikipedia for several days. Why reward someone trying to place inappropriate content on wikipedia because they thought to stick "this is really popular in outer mongolia" on the article?--137.186.84.54 (talk) 15:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Basically speedy deletion is for articles that don't assert notability. If they do assert notability and you don't think that claim is good enough for inclusion in Wikipedia it should either be [prodded or an AfD started. If the article states "Joe bloggs is a writer" that should be speedied. If it says "Joe bloggs won the Best Writer in Europe Award 2006" that shouldn't be speedied. Does that make it clearer? Mallanox16:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Notability and Jay Wilson
Hello there, I understand why you declined the speedy as your explanation above ^^. I still suspect a vanity article or at least failure to establish notability well enough as per WP:BIO and WP:COI. Do you think I should try a PROD or AfD in this particular case? The name of the sole editor and the article is just too much of a coincidence. In the best case it really is a coincidence the subject is hardly notable unless you think appearing on Big Brother is notable. Thanks for your reply!
I suggest you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sandman_%28Marvel_Comics%29 regarding why the OHOTMU is not cited on Wikipedia. Then read the rationale I just provided for another user on the Talk Page for the Abomination. I will now trim the birthplace reference, as it is not relevant. Any attempts to replace it will be construed as vandalism, and other users will be brought in. Unfortunately, it means nothing that Blonsky is from Zagreb.
Yes, you can edit pages. However, we all have to abide by Wikipedia policy, and I've repeatedly indicated that the OHOTMU is not valid. So...trying to repeatedly push it in to the article is not an act of good faith, yes? As for being threatened...hardly. I just have to get others to tell you and possibly another user about the non-use of the OHOTMU and irrelevance of birthplaces (unless one of the previously given examples or a character who is similar) if you don't listen. Why not help write a PH instead?
Civility is a matter of opinion, but the info was fact; i probably should've qualified that statement. He's non-notable as a research fellow because: i cant find ANY information on any article's/whatnot he's done or even been associated with. Hertfordshire and sunderland universities are bad because...they frequently score lowly on national ratings, and expecting very low grades from new candidates applying normally means you cant afford to be picky as an educational establishement. Ironholds (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies then; i had to phrase my reasoning, but i probably picked the wrong way in which to do so. Thanks for pointing it out. Ironholds (talk) 19:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion of Ingar Skaug
Hi, while checking the similar page on Norwegian Bokmål/Riksmål I fould that the enwiki version had been deleted. Skaug is indeed a notable businessman in Norway and as he is leading one of Norways major international companies he should have a page at Wikipedia. If you could roll back the deletion I will check it and try to improve it, guess it was not that good.
Please recheck WP:CSDA7. High schools are specifically listed as being not eligible fopr speedy deletion under this criterion. Please restore Challney High School For Girls, avery minimal stub, but will probably actually hold in AfD the way decisions on high schools are going these days.DGG (talk) 01:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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