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Archive 2

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Service areas

With regard to the Champion Schools article

There is a list of the BARLA service areas in the BARLA article, there are some mistakes in the article at present: Bridgend isn't a service area Wales would be correct, Keighley ought to be Bradford and Featherstone and Castleford should be Wakefield.

I don't think listing the service area is a good idea though, it means nothing to people outside rugby league, isn't relevant to the tournament (which is not a BARLA tournament in any case) and can be misleading (Keighley is the Bradford service area but Keighley isn't Bradford).

Better to just list the town followed by which county it is in.GordyB (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Glad to see someone else making good contributions to European rugby league articles. But I'm not sure what you've done with the Rugby Football League seasons template is a good idea. Super League seasons shouldn't be under the same banner, as this was not just a change of name, but a change of organisation, winter to summer, etc. And dividing up all the pre-Super League seasons (into NRFU, RFL, etc.) I think is unnecessary because I understand that they were merely name changes, not organisational changes. I think the way it was before was fine.--Jeff79 (talk) 02:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries. The thing we need to decide is if the Super League only template stays. The idea with templates I think is that they go on articles that they link to, and also if a template links to an article it should appear in that article. So the RFL template (as it is now) should be appearing in SL articles, as it contains links to them. In which case the Super League template should go. Which I'm not sure about, because Super League is the current embodiment of the competition (and so somewhat more relevant/significant), and I'm happy with the way the template on super league articles is called "Super League", y'know? I dunno if I'd like the Super League articles to contain a template called "Rugby Football League". I know what you mean with the NRL template. I'm far more familiar with that situation than with the English situation. In that template we don't make any distinction between New South Wales Rugby Football League seasons and New South Wales Rugby League (since 1984) seasons because that was just a name change (Much like Northern Rugby Football League to Rugby Football League, I think). Also the ARL was effectively the same organisation as the NSWRL and was also pretty much just a re-branding. The NRL did represent a more major shakeup of things, but I think less than that of Super League in England. Here it remained a winter season and all parties agreed that (club, player, etc.) records would continue unbroken from pre-NRL times. Not sure if that's the case with Super League or not. But it did become distinctly separate from clubs not in the top flight didn't it? I understand that in RFL times, it was just the RFL with first and second division. But now we have Super League, distinct from National Leagues One and Two. This, combined with the change to a summer season to me represents a more major change.--Jeff79 (talk) 03:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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Important vote at wiki-project rugby league

Many people have been working hard on getting a new infobox up and running and we would like to have your thoughts on the subject here.  CorleoneSerpicoMontana  07:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Student WC

no probs.Londo06 18:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Festival of WCs

Hey. Just wanted to get your thoughts on the name. I feel the current Festival of World Cups is too generic, as it could refer to any sport or any year. Thats why I originally had 2008 Rugby League Festival of World Cups as the title. Perhaps we should move it to Festival of World Cups (rugby league) or something similar and then add a year if there is ever another one? Mattlore (talk) 23:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Scarborough Pirates ARLFC

As you seem to know a bit more about this than I do. Could you take a look at this article? The info comes from their website but conflicts somewhat with what is written on History of the Rugby League Conference. The latter implies that the team were connected with the Yorkshire Coast Tigers but the website makes no mention of this.GordyB (talk) 21:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Forgot to say thanks. Thank you you for your help.GordyB (talk) 22:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The Great Schism

I was reading over some of the rugby stuff in the Sport in the United Kingdom article, which you edited, about the "great schism" between league and union. I was adamant the story went beyond cultural differences between the working and middle classes, and after some digging I found I was right, as this article from the Independent in 1994 points out. The authorities that ruled union actively sought to ban anyone even representing rugby league in any way. Since you seem interested in this subject, I thought I'd pass it on. GW(talk) 20:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Super League template

How close are you to considering that Super League play-off template complete? I'm nearing the completion of a new article on 2006's Super League season results on my sandbox, so if it's ready I could add it to the new article straight away with no worries. Cheers, GW(talk) 15:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, I realised it's a different play-off system in place this year. Excuse my minor lapse in memory there! Is it ready, in any case? We could add it to 2009's article now, even if only as a blank template. It could still add something by illustrating the play-off system. GW(talk) 15:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Other nationalities rugby league team

Hi. Please see User_talk:Jeff79#Other_nationalities_rugby_league_team.--Jeff79 (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

St Helens RLFC or Rugby League Football Club

I moved the page and just thought it would sound more professional to state the full name of the club. However I can see your point on more typing and the redirect issue. Your views please?

Ymron (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Use the most used term, which would be "St Helens", but since that would already apply to the town, "St Helens RLFC" would be next best in my opinion. Others have been kept to abbreviations, such as: Manchester United F.C., Hull F.C. and Harlequins F.C.. GW(talk) 16:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd revert it to what it was before and display the full name as the first thing in the article. LunarLander // talk // 18:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Rugby league

I think it would be best to establish concrete dates of when specific forms of rugby league were played. Something like:
Primatively: 1845
Codified: 1895
Internationally: (whenever the Northern Union XIII formed)
GW(talk) 16:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll reply on Talk:Rugby league LunarLander // talk // 18:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Rugby League Ireland

Can you provide a decent reference for this flag issue one which would allow us to change Template:Country data Ireland again 86.42.65.12 (talk) 21:22, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Rule changes

Love your work on all the rule changes. Something I've always been interested in and thought needed more detailing on wikipedia. Do any of the sources mention how they were instigated though? Whether from Australia, Britain or co-operation from both?--Jeff79 (talk) 21:13, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I feel the same, it's really interesting to see how the game has been shaped over time. The very early stuff is, as you know, British from before 1907. The person who I've seen go into most detail on this kind of thing is Sean Fagan (rl1908.com). He goes into the detail of the past giving more context, e.g. good old newspaper articles. I haven't had a chance to go through all of his articles yet but some are great, quite a few of them are based on his historical RL books. There is one, it might have been pre-schism, when a touring England captain is explaining to the Aussies how a new rule works back home. I think the general rule is early rules were changed (or reverted) by Britain and later ones by Australia, for example Greg McCallum bringing in new things to the British game from Aus. Unfortunately, I don't own a quality comprehensive source, the RLW source I'm working from now is a brief "top 10 good rules and top 10 bad ones" thing but by giving me the years, I hopefully will be able to go through my dad's old Open Rugby mags at some point from those seasons to see what is written. LunarLander // talk // 21:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:Harlequins rugby league logo.jpg)

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Is the new template ready?

Sorry for the lack of feedback provided by WP:RL. Is the new template ready for release yet, or has it already been released? I'm pretty desperate to remove edits like this from rugby league articles so we can focus on stuff that really matters. GW(talk) 12:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, it's not ready but shouldn't take long - I'll finish it (well, them) this afternoon. LunarLander // talk // 13:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Is this what you had in mind? Is there anyway you can make the first "column" span across all three "list columns"? Looks much better than what was formerly there though. Cheers, GW(talk) 23:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that looks good, GW. I'm planning to look at the columns again soon, the current display is a trade off to allow list3 to be used very flexibly. LunarLander // talk // 23:14, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I really like the templates LunarLandar. Any chance you can build these in Live? We really need the templates for squads as the 2010 squads are now being officially announced by some clubs. Can you let me know when they are up and running as I want to start updating some articles. Cheers. Comfort In Sound 13:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Template looks great. I have implemented it on the Widnes Vikings page. I have a suggestion though. What about adding a section under assistants for Physio. Or just amend the syntax so we could change the assistant titles and then I could use one of the spare assistants to add the title of Phsyio and then add them. Comfort In Sound 16:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

St Helens RLFC

I noticed you gave the history section of the article a C rating. If this apart alone was worth that rating, then it is my point of view that the main article would be worthy of that or higher. The article was reviewed some months ago by Special Windler and he kept it a Start but I have carried out a lot of the pointers he suggested along with referencing the article thoroughly. I have additionally added images where necessary. I would be grateful if you would consider reviewing the article and constructive suggestions would also be vastly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Ymron (talk) 23:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I thought this article, supported by the extensive referencing, had moved beyond a start class and was good enough to merit a C rating; so your efforts and Windler's have given a good boost here in my brief assessment. I'm not experienced in thorough assessments though but could give it a go, although I suggest you try GingerWarrior first as he has recently put himself on the assessment list (if I recall) at WP:RL and has some past experience. LunarLander // talk // 23:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll knock Warrior up then.

Thanks for your help,

Ymron (talk) 08:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Another query re. the history section. I don't know whether I should be asking you or GW but if, as I suggested on the main talk page, the history section was to be reduced on the main page, would it lower it's rating?

Thanks,

Ymron (talk) 17:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at Sydney Roosters (a featured article) as well as the History of the Sydney Roosters article for an idea of best practice (and other sports club articles). The rating for the main St Helens article is for the whole thing so having one good section won't mean the rest is ignored in the assessment, they will need to be worked on too. Having too long a history section (if it is too long) will probably count against you for style and efficient selection of information. That's my layman's opinion but I don't have any higher class assessment criteria to quote because its not something I've got into. GW might know more. LunarLander // talk // 17:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Lunar is right, the article is judged holistically. Having a hypothetical section of featured article quality won't compensate for the rest of the article. "When a section is a summary of another article that provides a full exposition of the section, a link to that article should appear immediately under the section heading. You can use the {{Main}} template to generate a Main article; link." - Wikipedia:Layout#Section_templates_and_summary_style

Thanks for that,

Ymron (talk) 22:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Re:Your undo of change to list on St Helens RLFC page

I'm just letting you know that the same has occurred on Castleford Tigers' page, the template being changed back to a list.

Ymron (talk) 21:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know LunarLander // talk // 21:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Wigan as well by the way,

Ymron (talk) 21:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Cheers, working from Special:Contributions/86.129.224.96.

Rugby League Box Collapsible

I've added some comments for you to take a look at on the talk page :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rugbyleaguebox_collapsible

--VikingJohn (talk) 09:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Unassessed articles

Nowt to it :)

Ymron (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Super League XV ladder

Hi Lunar, regarding your reverted changes of the header for the {{Super League XV ladder}} ladder from Engage Super League XV to Super League XV. I believe that the sponsorship should be included in the header as due to sponsorship the league has to be referred to in media as the Engage Super League XV.

Same applies for the Championship and Championship 1, due to sponsorship they have have to be referred to in media as Co-Operative Championship and Co-Operative Championship 1.

It makes sense to have the main article about Super League just entitled Super League. But the individual years the league was sponsored by different organisations, the season article for those years (e.g. Super League XIV) and the ladder for those years should reflect the correct name for the league that year, which would include the sponsorship as part of the name.

What do you think? Is this maybe a discussion we should open up on the project page?

--VikingJohn (talk) 12:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey there John, I see that referral to the sponsorship as a courtesy at the time of the competition but the brand is "Super League" and past competitions are not referred to with the sponsorship name.

Generally I am against titling using the sponsorship but there are cases for it. Things like the Regal Trophy and, as you mentioned, the Co-operative Championship, I go along with. In the championship's case, mainly because they chop and change names and formats so often and because the coverage of those lower leagues on wikipedia is a bit of a mess anyway right now.

I doubt there'd be support for changing the SL article names. The seasons when the NSWRL season was called the Winfield Cup are just called YYYY NSWRL season. I prefer the format: "The 2009 Challenge Cup (known as the Carnegie Challenge Cup due to sponsorship)" with the article name being "2009 Challenge Cup".

On the SL ladder template, I thought it was unnecessary (because the articles it is on can mention sponsorship if needed in their lead as I gave the example above) and kind of cheapened the it.

By all means, open a discussion on the project page (on any topic because it would be good to increase the activity on there) about this but I think formats are fairly well established. LunarLander // talk // 14:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for WikiStalking, but I'm pretty sure using company names is banned under Wikipedia's MoS. I just can't find where I've read it before. I think the most that's allowed is a "(also known as Engage Super League XV for sponsorship reasons)" in an article entitled "Super League XV", since the league is the subject of the article, not that engage happen to sponsor it. I thought it was also to do with Wikipedia not being a place for self-promotion (WP:COI) but I can't find anything on there. GW(talk) 22:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

See

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league and discussYoundbuckerz (talk) 09:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

NRLUS editing

Can you read this article http://www.rugbyleague.com/rugby-league-news/international-stars-in-us-rl.html and reasses what i have edited on the NRLUS page and make sure it is correct as you have previously done before. Thanks Youndbuckerz (talk) 10:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, yep I've had a look and made a couple of changes. David Niu is driving me mad being so tight-lipped about everything!
I noticed that you had just put the same link down twice acting as your reference. This is an example of how you might note a citation properly:

<ref name="authorsurnamedd-mm-yy">{{cite web | publisher=wikipedia.org | title=Main page of Wikipedia | url=http://www.en.wikipedia.org/main| accessdate=yyyy-mm-dd |etc. etc.}}</ref>

• Be sure to change all the names, publishers, titles, urls, and access dates to your specific reference. You can see a full list of the various info you can input here: {{cite web}}.

If you are using the same source somewhere else in the same article, re-reference like this:

<ref name="authorsurnamedd-mm-yy"/>

You can access that template and fill in the fields a bit more easily by going to "my preferences" at the top of your screen, going to "Editing" and I think the one you need to check is "Show edit toolbar (requires JavaScript)". It means you can click an option when you have an edit window open. LunarLander // talk // 20:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Bulmers Original Cider Challenge

Thank you for sorting that out, Rugby isn't my sport so I hadn't made the connection :-) Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem, you're welcome. LunarLander // talk // 01:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

South Wales jerseys

Do you know how to get them on their team box thing where every team has their jerseys on the bottom of their team box thing where it has all the details about the team i think you may know what i mean but here are the jerseys anyhow http://scorpionsrl.blogspot.com/2010/02/3d-images-of-kit.htmlYoundbuckerz (talk) 08:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I think you can try to put it together with the different patterns from Template:Football kit/pattern list. The team templates need sorting out. I think the NRL one lets you upload a picture but you would have to recreate the kit image, not just copy the one on their website. LunarLander // talk // 19:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Elliott Hodgson, meet Elliot Hodgson

I created an Elliott Hodgson article a couple of months ago. However, as you can see, his name is spelt uncommonly with two "t"'s. Lando09, understandably, created today Elliot Hodgson after misspelling his name. I am contacting to find out what to do next?

Thanks,

Ymron (talk) 13:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

You need to read up on the deletion process at WP:CSD and WP:AFD and tag the page with the correct template and reason. An administrator will then remove the page.
VikingJohn (talk) 16:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge and redirecting (if you have used content from both) or just redirecting (if you haven't added anything to the final article) could be an idea, if you feel the variant spelling is useful for someone would expect to take them to the correct article. Wikipedia:Merging could be useful. LunarLander // talk // 19:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

It's yuuuuuuuge!

Hi LL,
Actually, the changes in point scoring table is only small, but it's a simply magnificent addition. Explained a whole lotta things to this born-again RL fanatic. Exactly what I was looking for!
--Shirt58 (talk) 10:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Glad you like it. LunarLander // talk // 17:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

No consensus

I noticed this edit and thought you may be under a misapprehension about how things work around here. In a content dispute, the onus is on the person wishing to retain the material to demonstrate a consensus. As you have been the only one arguing for its retention, with a couple of people arguing for its removal there is therefore no consensus to retain it and it goes. The underlying principles which this icon breaches are WP:ICONDECORATION and WP:NOR; if you felt strongly enough you might consider raising the question at those guidelines' talk pages. I hope that helps you to see why using these icons this way is counter to our policies. --John (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

On reflection following Shirt58's post, I agree my edit summary was not as well-mannered as it could have been and, though you haven't mentioned it directly, I'd like you to know that I take back what I wrote and hope your feelings weren't hurt.
I'll respond about the article's content on the article talk page. LunarLander // talk // 01:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Laws of rugby league and your edit summary

Hi LL!
First of all, my own opinion is to support the retention of flag icons at Laws of rugby league. This will, of course, be subject to MOS and consensus. We do ourselves no favours with edit summaries like this.
John is not a bully. He is an admin for very good reasons. Admin or not, he - just like us - deserves Civility.--Shirt58 (talk) 13:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
PS: Go you Bunnies! Go you Roy-Boys! Go you Cane Toads!

Thanks for this message. LunarLander // talk // 01:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

The right outcome here.

(S58 winks at LL. Flies, honey, vinegar, old bean.)

--Shirt58 (talk) 10:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, LunarLander. You have new messages at SpecialWindler's talk page.
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Flags in Laws of rugby league again

Stewth, mate,
Article was fine with the flag icons, and it's lost them, without any apparent discussion toward proper consensus. Sigh. Perhaps we should look to escalate this matter?
--Shirt58 (talk) 12:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Axemen - logo

You can email me at [e-mail] if you need more info but we have NOT changed our logo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinnerhowland (talk • contribs) 02:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Hegarty

is someone adding shanon hegarty to the jacksonville axemen team? Youndbuckerz (talk) 11:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

footballers/players

instead should be called category:rugby league football players instead of rugby league footballersYoundbuckerz (talk) 22:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Any change needs to be done through categories for discussion though as there has been two previous attempts to decide a naming formula already that have not reached consensus. In the meantime the status quo (as of a few days ago before you made changes) should remain. LunarLander // talk // 22:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:Super League XII ladder

Hi, I was just wondering what the purpose of Template:Super League XII ladder is? Why not just put the wikitable directly in the Super League XII article? Regards. --Jameboy (talk) 20:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

It's ok, I found the answer by looking at one of the other templates - looks like it can be parameterised to highlight a row for club season articles. --Jameboy (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Please see

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league on whether to create the pages for the tests between AUS VS NZ (this friday} AND ENG VS FRA (in june) Youndbuckerz (talk) 12:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:CFD Category:Rugby league governing bodies in Europe

Category:Rugby league governing bodies in Europe is proposed for upmerge with Category:Rugby league governing bodies. You were involved in a related WP:CFD discussion (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 April 9) and may wish to comment here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 May 6#Category:Rugby league governing bodies in Europe. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 08:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Rule change

Hey LL. Since you seem to be our resident rule changes guru, I thought I'd bring this to your attention. Call me lazy but I just thought since you're so familiar with the topic and the articles covering it, you'd be best for incorporating it into the encyclopedia. Ciao.--Jeff79 (talk) 15:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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Another rugby thing for you

I could do with your input here please - Talk:List of Jews in sports#Rugby--MacRusgail (talk) 11:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

1956-57 NRFU season

Who won the Lancashire League this season? I'm confused beacuse [saints.org.uk] says St Helens did, but the season and county leagues articles say that Oldham won it.

Ymron (talk) 15:18, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, found the solution, it was saints.org.uk's mistake, Saints finished fourth that year.

Ymron (talk) 15:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Matty Johns Show

Hi. Thanks for improving this. Want to help me with the main article? - Richard Cavell (talk) 03:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I haven't seen the show and I have several other things I'm hoping to do on WP when I get the time but good luck in improving the article. LunarLander // talk // 01:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Great Britain national rugby league team

oops... re: Talk:Great Britain national rugby league team :) SauliH (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

1897 Final Team

Thanks for that, forgetting my history there.

Cheers,

Ymron (talk) 07:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem! LunarLander // talk // 13:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For all your recent work on rugby league articles and the WikiProject.  The Windler talk  08:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! LunarLander // talk // 13:46, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

footy templates

Good page moves, I think. I may have gone through them a while ago and unlinked "Australia", per WP:OVERLINK. In this case, it will direct readers more effectively to the link to the name of the game. Cheers. Tony (talk) 07:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I think so too. LunarLander // talk // 13:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Football field

Hi, now that you've converted Football field into a disambiguation page, could you help clean up the links that now point to a disambig per WP:FIXDABLINKS? The disambiguation pages with links project has some pointers on how to make the task easier. Thanks, --JaGa^talk 12:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I forgot all about that! LunarLander // talk // 18:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks much for all the fixin'! Cheers, --JaGa^talk 19:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators. For bringing Football field's dab count to zero. --JaGa^talk 09:26, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Rugby League

Have you had any more thoughts on this ? Codf1977 (talk) 15:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Archiving web references

Cheers, I'll give it a go.

Ymron (talk) 19:18, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks LunarLander // talk // 08:28, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

USARL Logos

logos from all the teams who switched to the USARL have been changed back to the older ones as the new ones belong to the star group (business partners of the amnrl)Youndbuckerz 13:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up LunarLander // talk // 19:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Featherstone RUFC

Hi, I notice that you have made contributions to the Featherstone article. The current rugby league club, Featherstone Rovers, wasn't founded until 1902, and appears to have no links to the earlier rugby union (RU) club. However, I have contributed to an article about James "Jimmy" Metcalfe, and I have found details of him playing for Yorkshire (RU) in 1896/7 while playing at Featherstone (RU), would you have any information about the RU club of the 1800s in Featherstone. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have any information on an earlier club. LunarLander // talk // 18:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 19:19, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

FYI - Moved your comment

Hey Lunar,

Hope you don't mind, but I moved your comment at the EII RfC. The "closing time" you put the comment under was for discussion about closing the RfC, not for additional comments to the RfC.

If you have a problem with the move, let me know and I'll revert it. Thanks! NickCT (talk) 17:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, no problem. Thanks for letting me know. LunarLander // talk // 18:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Crusaders

Hi Dynamo, I've just seen all the work you've been doing with editing piped links (a lot!). With the Crusaders ones though, I noticed a few edits where you have changed pre-2010 articles to show just 'Crusaders' when their name was 'Celtic Crusaders' at the time. When a club changes its name, there's no need to remove the old one. It's probably better to keep it. LunarLander // talk // 19:23, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi LunarLander, I've been back to the articles linked to Crusaders Rugby League with 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 in their titles and changed "|Crusaders" to "|Celtic Crusaders". I'll need to revisit the other Crusaders Rugby League linked articles to see if their "|Crusaders" link predates 2010. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:22, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Stuck between styles

After looking through precedent GA season articles from WP:FOOTY, and reading WP:LENGTH, I'm convinced my style of writing on the 2009 Wigan Warriors season page was WAY too long. Some of the football articles were giving one sentence per game, let alone up to two paragraphs like I was. Trouble is a game of rugby league isn't easy to document in one sentence, so I've generally limited myself to a 'four sentences per chronological week' rule, that limit also including pre- and post-match news. This seems to have halved the amount I'm writing whilst still mentioning the key bits in each game. According to my approx calculations, the article should be of a good length come the season's end. You can see an example of this in the 2011 Wigan Warriors season article. February is the old style, March is the new one. Which do you prefer, and is March good enough?

Secondly, now I'm not including every single piece of detail about every single game in the main body, the small infoboxes I made on the 2009 page actually have a use; for mentioning the parts of the game I haven't put in the body. Should I put them in?

Cheers for any feedback you might give, GW(talk) 22:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I think the March style is fine in length and detail. It gets to the key points with less reading. If you, personally, wanted to get more down, you could still go into more detail on more memorable or significant matches. The new style would also make it easier for someone to do a similar thing for other clubs.

I mentioned to Jeff about a new project I'm working on here. As well as having potential, I think the project and WP would be useful to the other. Let me know if you're interested in it or might be later. LunarLander // talk // 20:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

A lot of what appeals me to Wikipedia is the process of raising articles to GA quality (and FA if I should ever be so lucky). As weird as it sounds I like getting other people to review my work and give me a pat on the back, and if other rugby league fans find what I write useful, that's a bonus. I've got too many commitments here and in real life to do anything else, I'm sorry. GW(talk) 23:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, no worries. LunarLander // talk // 23:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Laws of rugby league

Hey LL. Great work on the article... and I see the flags are back! Makes the article so much easier to understand. --Shirt58 (talk) 10:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

v d e links on {{Rls}} templates

Hi there, over in the AFL world we've started switching over from a fairly basic and boring NFL team squad based table to the much prettier Rls template. The one thing that I would like to add, but aren't sure how, is the view/discuss/edit links to enable quick editing of the template. It used to be done by the {{navbar|PAGENAME|plain=1|nodiv=1}} template. Any idea how to add it, maybe only if navbar=yes is set or similar. I don't know enough about template syntax to do it myself. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 14:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I've updated the template. There is now a templatename field that can link view talk edit to the template you're using. If the template has been added straight to a page the templatename field can be left unused and only edit will show. Clicking it will open that page for editing. LunarLander // talk // 00:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that - I've removed the "edit" from appearing by default, mainly because if it's transcluded, then the wrong page is editted, and if it isn't transcluded, then the normal edit tag at the top of the page or at each section break will work as per normal. The only time you need a quicklink is if it is a template being transcluded. Thanks again for doing it so quickly. Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 09:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Template barnstar

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Cheers mate! LunarLander // talk // 23:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject Rugby League

How did you become a WikiProject Rugby League member? JK (talk) 04:39, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Just add yourself to the active list at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rugby_league/Participants. Check that the membership number you use hasn't been taken already by people on the active, semi active or inactive lists. LunarLander // talk // 20:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Widnes F.C.

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Change of use of Widnes F.C.

Item 65 in your Archive (dated October 2012) concerned the proposed deletion of Widnes F.C., the reason at the time being that it referred to a football club (soccer variety) which was not notable, as it had been denied admission to step 6 of the English Football pyramid. Since then the club has been admitted, albeit under a different name Widnes Vikings F.C.. This summer the club has changed its name to Widnes F.C., so it would seem sensible to use this page on Wiki. However, since October 2012 presumably, the page has been turned into a link to Widnes Vikings RLFC, which is a rugby league club, rather than a football (soccer) club. There are very few links to the page, all of which are currently being diverted to the RL club, and all the recent ones (some by me) seem to have been made by mistake, expecting them to be directed to the football club's page. Is there any problem in my changing the purpose of this page, either by making it a redirect to Widnes Vikings F.C., or preferably to move the existing Widnes Vikings F.C. page to this page? Drawoh46 (talk) 10:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Drawoh, thanks for getting in touch. The page was redirected to the rugby league football club when created several years before, in fact. I've looked for information on the AFC club but haven't found anything that convinces me to support changing the purpose of the page for now. The club doesn't seem to meet WP:FOOTYN, which states a club is notable when in a "national level of the league structure" - the North West Counties is regional. The local newspaper doesn't have a section for this club like it does for other local sporting teams and there doesn't seem to have been any news reporting on the team since 2012 when they had to change their name from Widnes Town because it was already being used. LunarLander (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I understand your reasons. I've now added an "about" template to the Rugby League club's page, so that anyone who goes there by mistake can be redirected. Drawoh46 (talk) 13:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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