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The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in their May 2012 Backlog elimination drive, a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy edit backlog. The drive begins on May 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and ends on May 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Our goal for the drive will be to eliminate January, February, and March 2011 from the queue. Barnstars will be awarded to anyone who copy edits more than 4,000 words, and special awards will be given to the top 5 in the following categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words". We hope to see you there! – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa, and Stfg.
Hey, I hope you're recharged after that marathon of copyediting in March. Would you be interested in working on William S. Sadler? I'm planning on bringing it to FAC later this month or early May. You might find it interesting, it involves aliens (sorta). Mark Arsten (talk) 19:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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On 30 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lake Manassas, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Lake Manassas, a reservoir operated by the City Council of Manassas, Virginia, to provide drinking water to the city, is not located in Manassas? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lake Manassas.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Hey Livitup/Archive 7 :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.
On the list view front, we're pretty much done! We tried deploying it to enwiki, in line with our Engagement Strategy on Wednesday, but ran into bugs and had to reschedule - the same happened on Thursday :(. We've queued a new deployment for Monday PST, and hopefully that one will go better. If it does, the software will be ready to play around with and test by the following week! :).
On the article view front, the developers are doing some fantastic work designing the toolbar, which we're calling the "curation bar"; you can see a mockup here. A stripped-down version of this should be ready to deploy fairly soon after the list view is; I'm afraid I don't have precise dates yet. When I have more info, or can unleash everyone to test the list view, I'll let you know :). As always, any questions to the talkpage for the project or mine. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
You are yangkee and you are ingnorant football. Of course, You are ingnorant of Korea. But Although you don't know that, They are important part. Do you know? In Korea, We also don't know American football Team. They don't have Notablity. All korean people don't know Green Bay Packers. I also delete NFL article on Korean Wikipedia and unknown american football team on English wikepieda.
You do delete all american footbal team aritcles by yourself. As you know these team also don't have notablity. Few amercian know this team..Of course, All people from over the world don't know these teams.
I think these articles must be deleted.
What do you think of deletion of american football team article?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_AF2_teams
If you want keep these article, You are selfish american.
Do you know, My mother tongue is not English, So I took much times to created football club article.
My aim is to create articles regarding clubs which became [[South Korean football champions
But Because of you, many clubs are deleted and I wasted my time. How do you reward?
I really want to leave wikepidia such as selfish american like you.
If south korean footblal club articlu exist on wikipedia, Are you lost your job or Are you broke up your girlfriend?
I really don't understand like you 'wikipedia policy geek'
Sorry you are upset, but you have to understand that I did not delete these articles. I nominated them to be deleted, a discussion was held where several editors debated the issue, and in the end, everyone in the discussion agreed that several of the clubs did not meet our standards of notability. Please read WP:N which clearly explains the policy for what topics qualify for articles in the English Wikipeda. You are free to nominate whatever articles you want for deletion, and the same process will happen: editors will discuss them, and a decision will be reached by the community. However, I guarantee that if you nominate Green Bay Packers for deletion, that the decision of the community will be that they are notable, and the article kept. "Notable" has a very specific meaning here, so I suggest you read the policy. Livit⇑Eh?/What?21:58, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Why did you nominated to be deleted only south korean football club articles? As you know, American football club only notable in Amercia. Ok. Green Bay Packers is nortable in America. Because this club is member of NFL. But Green Bay is deleted and prabalbe will not create in Korean wikipedia. And what do you think of this team such as Baltimore Bombers. As you nominated south korean football team to delete, you also nominated this team fairly.
Do you agree my opinoion? If you don't nomitated american football team, I regarded you as you hate or neglect south korean football.
Do nominate many unnotbale american football teams immediatly.. There are so many articles to delete.
Please refer to Category:Defunct American football teams
Because of selfish and haughy american you like, I'll never created aritcles in Wekipedia.
Do you know Cha Bum Kun? This korean player much more famous than all-tiem any greenbay packers players.
If you don't nomiate, In Cha Bum Kun article, His former teams ROK Air Force FC, Seoul Trust Bank FC articles are exist and this will be very informative.
But because of your narrow view, precious article was gone, I didn't copy, So I can't restore.
From now on, I'll do my best to delete american football team article to violate nortabiliy guideline.
I know this american football article is informative for some people and if this article exist or not, I don't lose job or I don't broke my girlfrien. But this articels also have to be deleted as south korean football club articles were deleted.
13:14, 13 May 2012
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New Page Triage prototype released
Hey Livitup! We've finally finished the NPT prototype and deployed it on enwiki. We'll be holding an office hours session on the 16th at 21:00 in #wikimedia-office to show it off, get feedback and plot future developments - hope to see you there! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Participation: Out of 49 people signed up for this drive so far, 26 have copy-edited at least one article. It's a smaller group than last drive, but we're making good progress. If you've signed up but haven't yet copy-edited any articles, please consider doing so. Every bit helps! If you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late. Join us!
Progress report: We're on track to meet our targets for the drive, largely due to the efforts of Lfstevens and the others on the leaderboard. Thanks to all. We have reduced our target group of articles—January, February, and March 2011—by over half, and it looks like we will achieve that goal. Good progress is being made on the overall backlog as well, with over 500 articles copy-edited during the drive so far. The total backlog currently sits at around 3200 articles.
Hall of Fame: GOCE coordinator Diannaa was awarded a spot in the GOCE Hall of Fame this month! She has copy-edited over 1567 articles during these drives, and surpassed the 1,000,000-word mark on May 5. On to the second million! – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa and Stfg
Hey all :). A notification that the prototype for the New Pages Feed is now live on enwiki! We had to briefly take it down after an unfortunate bug started showing up, but it's now live and we will continue developing it on-site.
The page can be found at Special:NewPagesFeed. Please, please, please test it and tell us what you think! Note that as a prototype it will inevitably have bugs - if you find one not already mentioned at the talkpage, bring it up and I'm happy to carry it through to the devs. The same is true of any additions you can think of to the software, or any questions you might have - let me know and I'll respond.
Hey, I've got the new article into mainspace. It's not urgent, but if you want to copyedit it within the next couple weeks, that would be great. The article is Clarence 13X, he was a gambling aficionado who came to believe that he was Allah incarnate, and started his own religion. He had some very unconventional (and initially quite racist and misogynist ideas) but became a lot more mainstream as he aged. Interesting guy, in my mind. It's probably not as polished as the last couple articles that I've handed to you, so it might take some extra work. The one big thing is, he went by three different names over the course of his life, so I'm not sure what to refer to him as. Use your best judgment, I guess. Thanks! Mark Arsten (talk) 04:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Cool... I'll start taking a look on my flight Saturday night. I remember an instruction in the MOS for dealing with name changes—I'll have to dig it up before I leave. Livit⇑Eh?/What?14:45, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of, though I doubt it works perfectly in this case. I might ask for help from the MOSwonks on one of the talk pages. And yup, London and Brussels this time. :) Livit⇑Eh?/What?17:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Sounds interesting, I don't travel for work, but some people in my department do. It sounds like you have a similar schedule as they do. In the article I settled on calling him "Clarence 13X" the whole time, but yes, more MOS advice would be helpful. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:51, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
RoomSurge up for deletion
Hello,
Regarding roomsurge.com, I was the one who initiated this page. Sorry I didn't cite more sources as I didn't feel more were necessary. I believe the article in question is a spin-off company off another Fortune 200 company which in my view is significant enough :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilytisch (talk • contribs) 15:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
The bar that you have to pass is the Wikipedia notability policy which states "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." Your article cites one article with significant coverage. The first reference is trivial coverage, and since it comes from the college where the site was founded, it could be argued if it is "independent" coverage. Sorry, but being a spin-off of a Fortune 200 company doesn't prove notability. However, if one or more reliable sources took note of the spin-off and documented it in articles, then you would be able to cite them in the article and be well beyond the notability criteria. I did some quick searching before I nominated the article, and I couldn't find any such coverage, but if you know of some, use it to improve the article, cite it, and comment at the AfD! Livit⇑Eh?/What?15:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Sure, but I have seen a LOT of articles on Wikipedia about small start up companies that have similar sources. For example, Wiggio uses several sources as the basis for the Wiki page's statements. They might use CNET as a source, but upon further examination, the author of the "Cnet" article is actually a college blogger who was given permission to blog on Cnet's technology blog. Would that be considered as "independent" reporting? I think not! So what is the difference here? And one of the sources on RoomSurge's page is from SeekingAlpha which is heavily known in the finance community. Emilytisch (talk) 15:21, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Please read WP:OSE. The fact that there are other non-compliant articles out there is not a good reason to keep the one you're lobbying for. "He did it first," never worked for me as a kid with my parents (usually said right after I punched my older brother in the arm...). Livit⇑Eh?/What?15:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
My point is, when creating that page, I used the models from other similar companies who have been on Wikipedia for a while now (and thus, proving in my view that they are valid submissions to Wikipedia). I tried my best to follow the models of several of those websites that weren't deleted and yet, mine was put up for deletion within 10 minutes. I'm not sure how or what you do to determine which pages stay or why some pages are deleted within 10 minutes that are worded in the exact same way that MANY companies on Wiki are worded. I tried to word this in the most neutral way possible as I have no incentive to advertise this company since (A) I do not work for them and (B) I do not work for the Fortune 500 company that it spun off of. But now I question whether certain editors do have an incentive to keep certain companies on here and delete others... Emilytisch (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Please don't make this about me... I'm just as likely to go nominate Wiggio for deletion as I am Roomsurge.com. My point is that you have selected a flawed model to use as a template. If your goal is to copy the Mona Lisa, you shouldn't start by buying a print of The Scream. In my first response, I pointed you to how it is determined which articles are nominated for deletion: it's those that don't meet WP:N. Especially read the first section (which has it's own shortcut, WP:GNG), and it should tell you everything you need to know. Livit⇑Eh?/What?15:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Alright, so I have selected a flawed model to copy off of. But then I guess half the companies on Wikipedia would be up for deletion as well. I'm just confused as why the page I spent time to write up for no financial incentive whatsoever was considered more as "advertising" than, say, SeekingAlpha, which is actually one of the sources I cited. I know, you said not to talk about precedent again but if American court system uses 99% of the time, precedents - verdicts and opinions of judges from PREVIOUS cases, to determine the fate of present landmark cases I can use that here. So I just can't understand what else I'd have to add (or delete) in order to make my article valid. Do you just want one more cited source? I didn't even name the website itself as a source - a practice I've seen tons of others do - which shows I really tried my best to make this one neutral. Emilytisch (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
If I were to cite one more "notable source" that hasn't been cited yet, will you remove the deletion proposal? Emilytisch (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
The problem is that the current main source, on the SeekingAlpha site, is a blog. There is no editorial oversight of this blog - it's not like it's written by SeekingAlpha authors, and reviewed by their editorial board. Look at the very bottom of the page: Instablogs are Seeking Alpha's free blogging platform customized for finance, with instant set up and exposure to millions of readers interested in the financial markets. Publish your own instablog in minutes. That's not a reliable source. So you've got zero reliable sources. Here's what I'll say—if you improve the article so that it's clear that the subject meets the General Notability Guideline, then I would withdraw my nomination for deletion. Good luck! Livit⇑Eh?/What?17:33, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
