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I'd like to echo that thanks for your fantastic contributions to Women in Red's Women in Africa contest. An update, now that we're two months in: over 100 articles have been created in January and February! Please help make the final month of the contest a success too :) Dsp13 (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
@Dsp13: Thank you! It's always a great pleasure for me to contribute to any challenge in any way. I will keep on doing what I can. Best, Less Unless (talk) 20:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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Thank you for translating her article, but will it get references? I hope so. Better shorter, but referenced. Perhaps compare other articles such as Jessye Norman. Other conventions here: no first name (other than in the first sentence), but repeat last name in the first sentence of each section, for those who come from the TOC. I'll watch, thinking that she should go to DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi Gerda Arendt! There's much to be done to put it for DYK, but it should definitely go there. Thank you for the hints on editing - don't worry I'll do the copy editing after I'm done with the actual translation. I have found several refs and requested more at Resource exchange. I was also thinking about writing directly to users from South Africa Project, maybe they could help. The refs are crucial, they're my main focus now. Best, Less Unless (talk) 23:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
That's good! One more: the "laundry list" of great places is no lead material, - actually it's not good wherever. The lead should rather give an overview of major roles and principal stations. Again: compare Norman or other great singers. - Sometimes I wonder if first translating is a good approach, - much work that often has to be discarded. - I'll check back later, - no more edit conflicts ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt That's probably my first translation, so I'll learn from the experience. ;) I'll definitely need your help with this. I'll ping you later for a fresh perspective. Best, Less Unless (talk) 23:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes, but I now gave them the precise link to the page. I did other copy-editing, - your turn. The lead should be a summary of her achievements. I don't see room there for this "one of three"-sentence, - who cares at that point? Better put it somewhere else. We will need references for the private details - where she met her husband ... - and especially the longish cigarette quote. Please don't say Royal Opera House here, but Covent Garden there, - we have readers who don't know that it's the same thing. Otherwise, I hope edit summaries will speak for themselves. I'll check tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Gerda Arendt. Thank you for the amount of work you've done, it's actually pretty satisfying for me to team up with you like this - hope it's not much trouble for you. I've added several refs, but I could not find the one to back up the cigarette quote. Resource exchange and the Afrikaans user I've written to are silent, let's wait couple of days. I've actually found many mentions of her in the British magazine Opera, but there are no full texts in open access. Please, take a look. Best, Less Unless (talk) 17:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I will, later today. - I like doing this together, for a great singer! - I am busy with a young pianist, and similar sourcing problems, - I mean same bio everywhere but without much substance. Due for DYK today ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I looked, found the Met archives, but no indication that she ever sang something other than Helmwige in Die Walküre. But Turandot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Gerda Arendt! I have added from 4 to 5 refs to each of the articles you mentioned and did some other copy editing. As for Marita - I couldn't find any other sources to back the personal statements. So, I guess we should remove them. Less Unless (talk) 17:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the refs. - I had no time yet to check, but will. - Marita Napier: go over it critically, and if you feel a detail would be really good to know, leave it for now, but discard what perhaps even holds up more important things. DYK reviewers tend to look at the end of paragraphs, so uncited details (if any remain) should better go somewhere in the middle. When done ping me for a check, and then you can nominate for DYK. If a reviewer has a problem with a detail, you can prune then. You decide ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
April editathons from Women in Red
Women in Red| April 2021, Volume 7, Issue 4, Numbers 184, 188, 194, 195, 196
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Reviving this discussion from a few weeks ago. Thanks for taking the time to review it! Totally see your points there. Although he did write music for John Wick, it's not highly documented as the music only exists in the film and on complete collection soundtracks. So it's hard to find enough documentation for that. As for the awards, however, I'm hoping we can revisit that. I took a look at WP:SIGCOV, and quoting from the document, "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent. As such, both awards are independent of the subject. Additionally, you can't get more reliable as a source than the original source. Following that logic, when creating an article on a Nobel Prize winner, there will be no more reliable source than The Nobel Foundation. So would you be kind enough to reconsider it as I do believe those awards do fulfill Wikipedia's requirement on a reliable source. Additionally, the two theatrical projects prove his notability and qualification under the Criteria for composers and lyricists - 2. Has written musical theatre of some sort (includes musicals, operas, etc.) that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run, as such things are judged in their particular situation, context, and time. The original article draft has plenty of references confirming these. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
Hello Wcmartinezii. Talking about the awards and sources you mentioned. Independent also called third-party means the source is not in any way affiliated with the subject. The awards sites presented in the article however were affiliated as they got a fee from each nominee. Please take a look here WP:IIS for more detailed explanation. You see, the problem with the awards is that they require a fee to enroll. As you quoted the WP:MUSICBIO, the awards have to be major. I may be wrong, but the listed awards don't seem major. The Nobel Prize you mentioned is one of the most prestigious awards where the nominees do not pay to enroll therefore their site may be used as a source. But also the information about the laureates is widely covered in numerous third party sources, so there won't be a problem to provide WP:IRS for that. Also please note, that the guidelines state: Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria - it doesn't make them automatically notable. We need independent reliable sources with significant coverage. As for this 2. Has written musical theatre of some sort (includes musicals, operas, etc.) that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run, as such things are judged in their particular situation, context, and time. - again, I doubt the theatre is notable. I would recommend you to address your question to WikiProject Composers for more opinions on the subject and his notability. Best, Less Unless (talk) 12:05, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Marita Napier
On 14 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marita Napier, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Marita Napier is the first South African opera singer to have performed lead roles in each of the four "Grand Slam" opera houses? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marita Napier. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Marita Napier), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gerda Arendt Thank you too! It was a pleasure working with you. Actually I wondered if we could work together on bringing some articles to Good article status or even Featured. I've never done it before, but would like to try. If you have anything in your mind, I'll be happy to help or accept your guidance. Best, Less Unless (talk) 17:31, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Would you like to try for Napier? - Compare Jessye Norman, and see what you may want to add or strike. Inge Borkh is on my mind for GA. I'm currently working for BWV 157, but that's possibly not your cup of tea ;) If I'm wrong, just feel free to add. More sources would be good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt I'll think about Napier, thank you . As for the cantata, my only problem with it is that I know nothing about classical music :) But I will take a look, maybe I'll find something. Best, Less Unless (talk) 18:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Napier: what would be nice is critical recognition of what made her voice and singing unique, and how she acted on stage. - Cantata: keep looking, but don't edit right now, to avoid edit conflicts, - better tomorrow. Just adding a source is of course welcome anytime. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:02, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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May 2021 at Women in Red
Women in Red| May 2021, Volume 7, Issue 5, Numbers 184, 188, 197, 198
Hi, I saw that you had uploaded logos from transfermarkt. I can't seem to figure out how to get files from transfermarkt, can you help me with this? Thanks, AnApple47 (talk) 05:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello, AnApple47! I was just using printscreen and then edited them in Photoshop (removed the background and saved as png). Try looking in other sources as well - usually local teams have twitter or facebook page with their logo. If you need help, ping me. Best, Less Unless (talk) 15:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello @Gerda Arendt:! I have finally managed to look through about 150 articles mentioning Marita Napier. I have decided to create a new thread for this). Having studied the Jessye Norman article thoroughly I fear there won't be such extensive coverage for Marita as 1) she was most active in the pre internet era, 2) she was less public if I can say so. I have gained access to newspapers.com and found numerous mentions of Marita Napier (much more than 150). There are at least 5 reviews that talk about her for at least 2-3 paragraphs, but what concerns me is that most of the reviews are rather critical. Complimentary remarks are short, but I still can find enough that describe the tone of her voice, for instance. I am still trying to get that Beeld article published after her death - I have written to the editors office asking them to provide that article, hoping for a positive answer. Apart from that I am afraid I don't know where to get more sources and information. Maybe I am missing something? Can you share your experience - what are the places you look for the older issues or articles? Best, Less Unless (talk) 22:44, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
All fine, you can't cite what's not there, and you can't cite 150. Select what's most useful, better two good (I mean detailed, nor praising) reviews than 20 superficial ones. I suggest you go to project opera - link on my user page - where the experts in finding old sources are, SusunW does it for other topics, - no idea if she could help also with this one, Marita Napier. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello @Gerda Arendt: and thank you for your support! The RfA process was quite stressful for me so I decided to take some time off and relax. I am still working on Marita offline. Will return fresh and ready to rock) Best, Less Unless (talk) 19:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
"nutzlos, aber nicht sinnlos" is very deep. There are so many things that are precious but useless from materialistic point of view. Happy for Philipp and truly amazed by your work! Less Unless (talk) 20:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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Hi, I supported you in your RFA for saying how much your respect others. That being said, I'm just curious as to whether you're actually male or female since there's no mention on your userpage. You don't have to answer this question and you still make a good editor regardless. NYC Guru (talk) 20:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
How fortuitous, I was dropping by regarding this very topic. I don't know if you've run across it, or if it's been mentioned to you, but ... you can set a gender preference if so desired. There is a way to make it more widely known that you prefer to be addressed in the feminine gender. If you click on "Preferences" (I think clicking on this link: Special:Preferences will work if you can't find it in your tabs.) ... Anyway - once there, on the first page ("User profile"), scroll down to the "Internationalisation" section, you should see several options, one of them being:
Use feminine terms when possible (e.g. "her contributions")
If you pick that, then it will be more obvious to many other users. (depending on settings, it will put the ♀ symbol by your user name on your user page and talk page). If you already knew this - apologies for the interruption. Cheers. — Ched (talk) 08:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello Ched and thank you. I think it's great that there's such an opportunity here. I didn't know about it, thank you for pointing it out. Best, Less Unless (talk) 07:33, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
You are now an administrator!
It's actually been a while since I've done this, so I'm hoping you'll know what to do from here on out ;p Adminship doesn't come with a manual, but you can try this guide.
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Congratulations. I am sorry that I was offline during your RFA and missed the chance to support you. You deservedly passed easily so I am glad my ivote wasn't required. Best wishes. Donner60 (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
OMG... I missed all the fun! Gonna have to bake some extra goodies for you this Christmas! lol Congratulations Less! You're in good company! — WILDSTARtalk00:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
If you want to frequent this admin noticeboard (and I think it's one of the more fun admin tasks), you might see about getting the script that helps with this task...I believe it is called rfud-helper. One thing this script does is make an edit to the restored stale draft that prevents it from looking like it's an expiring draft and getting deleted again (which unfortunately can happen). I know that Muboshgu uses it so maybe he can identify where to find it. Cheers. LizRead!Talk!00:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
I think I will install that script. A few editors come directly to me to restore their CSD G13s which I'm happy to do and I frequently check REFUND to see what drafts have been restored. But I think it's good when a different admin reviews a refund request rather than the admin who deleted the page. LizRead!Talk!01:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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I looked a Musical Artist please take a look about Him. His Name is Adnan Safir. I request you to please check his notability to create a Wikipedia Page Urwisher (talk) 15:29, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi, @Urwisher:. Currently as it is Draft:Adnan Safir doesn't look notable. There are two guidelines that can be applicable here - WP:GNG - this is a general guideline that requires significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. The second one is WP:NMUSIC. Please take a look at them. Thank you for your contributions! Best, Less Unless (talk) 18:57, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, Less Unless! Belated congratulations on your very successful RfA! Today I noticed you doing some protecting at WP:RFPP, and I want to welcome you to that board. Your edits there have been excellent and helpful. I just thought I'd suggest, if you would like some tips or philosophy about protection, that you might take a look at my essay User:MelanieN/Page protection. For that matter, I see that nobody told you about setting up your Adminstats page. You can read about that, and any other new goodies that you now have access to, at User:MelanieN/Admin bling.
MelanieN, thank you so much for the suggested essays, it's really helpful to have someone more experienced around. I am grateful you offered your assistance as I definitely need some. Best, Less Unless (talk) 06:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Glad you find them helpful. If you ever have any questions or feel the need of some mentoring, give me a holler. I don't know everything - not by a long shot - but if I can't answer a question I may know who can. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
August Editathons from Women in Red
Women in Red| August 2021, Volume 7, Issue 8, Numbers 184, 188, 204, 205, 206, 207
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October 2021 at Women in Red
Women in Red| October 2021, Volume 7, Issue 10, Numbers 184, 188, 209, 210, 211
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