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_dk (talk) 06:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Adding the Southern Branch to the family tree

The Southern branch or at least a list of its members should get added to Family tree of Confucius in the main line of descent.Rajmaan (talk) 04:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Qing dynasty Manchus

Hello, I noticed you are active in a series of Qing dynasty articles - I just wanted to ask if you agree with the position that Manchu names are not the same as Chinese ones and are generally rendered mononymously (that is, one name only) as article titles, in infoboxes, and in the body of the article itself. I am trying to fight the creeping influence of "Chinese" sounding Manchu names, whereby the clan name is placed before the given name as if it is a surname. In reality those of the same clan does not necessarily belong to the same family, all it speaks to is their tribal lineage. Of course there are some exceptions like the prolific poet Nalan Xingde who has become commonly known under that name, but for the vast majority of cases, it is best to maintain one name as a rule of thumb. Do you agree? Colipon+(Talk) 12:57, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I am not too familiar with Manchu naming customs, but from what I have seen so far, Manchu historical figures are normally introduced by their names in this form: "<given name>, of the <clan name> clan". So I guess you are probably right. I also take my cue from the Chinese and Japanese Wikipedias. It would be good though, if we have sources on Manchu naming customs to back up these claims. LDS contact me 13:51, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Manchu names generally are a mess, since towards the late Qing many Manchus began adopting Chinese character based names, for example Wenxiang, Guanwen and so on. This source is the closest I can find to anything authoritative, but in general the rule of thumb should be to use the name commonly used in historical literature. While Manchu clan names came to be used as surnames in some instances, they are for the most part never used to identify an individual. As the source points out, many Manchus took their ancestral place of residence as their surname, hence the name is not a "family name" in the traditional sense and therefore considered unimportant for identifying the individual. Colipon+(Talk) 14:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think this source should be good enough until we find better ones. LDS contact me 15:17, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
By the way - you may want to revert your moves of Yunxiang and Yunzhi - as those two were the sons of Kangxi who were permitted to keep their original by the Yongzheng emperor. Colipon+(Talk) 18:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The precise source of Yinxiang maintaining his given name is from Qing Histories Draft, chapter 7 (biographies) 越日，复谕举怡亲王功德，命复其名上一字为“胤”，配享太庙，谥曰贤. Colipon+(Talk) 18:31, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I have reverted the move for Yinxiang. I can't seem to find a quote for Yinzhi in the Qing Shi Gao though. And which Yinzhi are we talking about here? Prince Zhi or Prince Cheng? LDS contact me 04:26, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to Prince Cheng, but in any case I seem to be mistaken about him. I think he was granted the privilege of not having to kneel in front of the emperor at some point because he was an older brother of the emperor in good standing. Anyway, much like Yongzheng's other brothers this privilege would be revoked and he later died in solitary confinement. Colipon+(Talk) 12:56, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the clarification. LDS contact me 12:58, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

traditional Chinese characters

Hi, we ran into each other when editing several articles related to the Journey to the West. I would like to ask for your help in identifying a (one) traditional Chinese character on a photo. (Sorry to bother you.) If you are willing to do this, please send me an email or let me know and I send you one. Thanks, WikiHannibal (talk) 14:26, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I was away for the past months. If it's not too late, you can send the photo to my email registered with Wikipedia. Thank you. LDS contact me 04:57, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Drop me a note after you have sent. I don't check that email regularly. LDS contact me 04:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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