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GGC on 1RR

Hi there. The Gamergate controversy article, which you have recently edited, is under 1RR, which means an editor may not make more than one revert per 24 hours. A revert is defined by policy as "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part". As such, I'd request the latest revert you made in which you changed the meaning of the sentence to be self reverted. Cheers! PeterTheFourth (talk) 08:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And I assert PeterTheFourth that the sentence was not changed back to it's original content nor an approximation of such but instead one that compromises the content of the original sentence with your valid point that several of the commentators attributed the actions to Gamergate. Can you say that it doesn't in good faith compared to the original, sir?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In the spirit of compromise with your desire to reword my phrasing, I've again altered it. Tell me what you think! PeterTheFourth (talk) 08:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I would ask that we keep the 'additionally' part of the sentence as only two of the sources, not all four, are making that statement. I would also suggest removing 'misogynistic' as it feels both pointed and redundant given the note about women being harassed. Perhaps something more akin to this?
"Commentators noted this in light of the movement, with some additionally calling it a response by the video game industry to harassment attributed to Gamergate of prominent female figures."
I feel this keeps a much more neutral tone while echoing what the sources are saying here, without making it sound as if we the editors are making an accusation ourselves. Is this fair?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe 'in light of the movement' is descriptive at all. In light of Gamergate... existing? Additionally, 'misogynistic harassment of a female' is different to 'harassment of a female', hence my use of it as an adjective there. Much of Gamergate's harassment was related to the gender of those they targeted.
Would you clarify what you mean by 'in light of' Gamergate? PeterTheFourth (talk) 08:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well two of the sources are making no mention of harassment or otherwise, but instead noting that they feel it was taken into consideration for this year's E3 expo. While I can concede on misogynistic, I do feel making it clear these are actions attributed pulls the article away from making outright accusations itself which the current sentence seems to, especially light of sources such as this debate on the Huffington Post which acknowledges that there is question as to where some of such attacks may originate from.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How would you feel about "Commentators felt that this was a response to Gamergate, some noting it as a rejection of the misogynistic harassment it perpetrated."? PeterTheFourth (talk) 08:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It still needs to made the Wikipedia article itself isn't making accusations but solely reflecting what's being said in these sources. 'attributed to it' is far more neutral than 'it perpetuated' and still gets the point you feel should be made across, does it not?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Describing the harassment isn't an accusation. That the Gamergate hashtag has been used for a harassment campaign is a fact widely reported in reliable sources, and described earlier in the article. PeterTheFourth (talk) 09:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But it's also one questioned by a source such as above. Much of the article right now reads as if it's wikipedia's stance, and not that of its sources. I look at it like I did video game character articles: numerous sources could, say, call Ivy Valentine sexist. Other sources disagree. Neither are wrong here are the article merely states their opinions and attributions of those commenting as well as observing what the consensus is, not saying one way or another an absolute.
If the consensus amongst journalists is this harassment is attributed to Gamergate, the article should reflect that as *their* consensus and accusations, and not wikipedia's. As more sources come about consensus can and does change and new information becomes citable it's easier to work into it with such a tone. As it reads now...it feels less like it's an encyclopedic entry and more like it's making a point all its own.
And as someone that's been around a very long time, I'm deeply troubled by the idea of any wikipedia article taking such of stance, as you should be.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:28, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, at this point, it's approaching more of a general discussion on how Wikipedia should describe the harassment perpetrated by those who represent themselves with the Gamergate hashtag- do you mind if we move the discussion to the GGC talk page? PeterTheFourth (talk) 09:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should. I'm curious Masem's take on the subject myself.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've started a section and pinged you to it. You're welcome to ping Masem as well, but I have no doubt that he'll be there regardless. PeterTheFourth (talk) 09:56, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Basically, the problem is that WP:3RR (which also applies to the 1RR) says that "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." For example, the second of these two edits is another revert on your part, because you're deleting the text "...a series of logs from 4chan chat rooms and discussion boards indicated that the #NotYourShield hashtag was created on 4chan..." after someone reinstated it. For the record, my objection to your removal of that part specifically was part of why I reverted that part of your edits myself; I think that it's central to what the source is saying. --Aquillion (talk) 02:39, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree that the mention earlier is sufficient; the preceding statement is just about one post, whereas the second paragraph makes it clear that the entire hashtag was created by users there (that, in other words, it was a 4chan op comparable to #EndFathersDay), not just that one random person there suggested it. Your revision lost that and therefore didn't accurately paraphrase the article. Additionally, I noticed that while I was explaining how WP:3RR works, you reverted yet again by reinstating the reference to Georgina Young's opinion; since I removed that source, reinstating it (even with different wording) is another revert -- your third or fourth, depending. You should self-revert that! When someone objects to an edit on a controversial article like this, you should go to the talk page, not try to repeat your changes again and again with slightly different wording. The bold, revert, discuss cycle is to discuss on talk when someone objects to (and reverts) an edit you made, basically. --Aquillion (talk) 03:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Transcript of HuffPostLive interview

A while ago, another GGer and I put together a transcript of the HuffPostLive interview you referenced recently, with timecodes for the questions and answers so you can verify the content: http://pastebin.com/Famvp4G0. I hope this might be helpful in some way. --Mracidglee (talk) 18:45, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I'll look it over and compile references from it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of your edit to Gamergate controversy

 Sorry to do that!  I understand what you were trying to do, but I think you went a bit far.  Happy to discuss on the article talk page. Dumuzid (talk) 23:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Has, not surprisingly, been discussed before. Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_189?searchDepth=1#The_Mary_Sue_Disclaims_Itself_as_an_Unreliable_Source

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Greetings, since I am under 500 edits for the gamergate talk section I wish for you to see ["Journalism is Dead - Article" by Chihiro Onitsuka]. Sorry for this roundabout way but a source from this website is highly notable and should be worthy of interest.(Really wish they lowered the edit restriction atleast, sigh) TheRealVordox (talk) 05:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Followup [Industry and Gamergate Analysis (Continued) - News by Chihiro Onitsuka]TheRealVordox (talk) 06:00, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Chihiro was a hoax. TheRealVordox (talk) 11:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Yeah, just been trying to clean up some of the stuff from Snaaake, Hanzo, whatever username you want to call the guy by. As you probably know, he inserted reams of stuff in these kinds of articles, mostly to the effect of "X female game character was named on Mad Hot Gaming Brazil's hottest jiggly bewbs on a polygonal game character in the 21st century" or some such frivolous stuff. Feel free to reintroduce some or all of this content of course, no worries. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jtalledo: I guess the reception section might need a revision to first focus on how she was received gameplay wise and design wise similar to Lars Alexandersson (who has info about his appearances and how he was received in each case). Few months ago I tried doing the same with Cloud Strife but I still think some paragraphs of its reception section are too much.Tintor2 (talk) 16:47, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Also, long time no see Kung Fu Man. Hope you are okay. Cheers.[reply]
@Jtalledo: :@Tintor2: Ah that makes some sense now, yeah. I'll take a look through it and see about tightening it up, a lot of that stuff was written years ago and I know there are some new bits (one interview from the new SC in fact). Also good to see you guys still around, been holding up for the most part.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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