User talk:Kubura/Archive10

Archive 1 - Edits on "SC language"
Archive 2 - Srijem issues
Archive 3 - W.Herzog, Stjepan and Montenegro issues
Archive 4 - Cro-Ser questions, very interesting discussion, many topic being opened/touched/resolved
Archive 5 - Some Doclea and Dalmatia issues
Archive 6 - Farsi, Diego, NHL, Stjepan
Archive 7 - Republic of Dubrovnik, Haydn, various
Archive 8 - Mostly vandalism dealing, Zadar, Mikalja
Archive 9 - Saborsko, RfARB, prop, ...

Irridenta, reply

Yep, no problem. Leave it with me. I might need a few days as I seem to have about 5 mins a day for Wiki now. F++k. Meanwhile, you've read the nonsenses on my talk between me and some IPs about Dalmatia? They're talking about love and international understanding. Zen reverted the latest rubbish today. We're so lucky to have Italian imperialists to advise us how to think. Ho hum. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ignorants, it does not exists the word "irridenta" in Italian! BTW, "Enjoy" the independence of Kosovo! Finally, the Slavs have lost some territories in ex-Yugoslavia since WWII and withdraw from Albanian Kosovo.....As you can see, the legacy of your Tito (with his ethnic cleansing) is starting to disappear..."Enjoy" and wait to see what will be the next withdrawal.--Cherso (talk) 20:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Italianization

I think that now is right time for deleting this article and then moving of article Fascist Italianization on his place. Yes this other article need to be expanded but it will work. Maybe you can ask for voting for deletion of first article ? --Rjecina (talk) 15:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See this [1]!?! This is becoming total insanity... I've reverted some of these... It should be done with all of it... Zenanarh (talk) 15:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inflammatory

You are correct. I should stay above the fray. Been a long night (between the GM guy and an IP address I seemed to have annoyed). Thanks. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Italian Partisans

When I said "Italian Partisans" I did not mean "Italian members of the Yugoslav Partisans" but "members of the Italian Resistance Movement". It's well known that Tito's partisans have no sympathy for non-communist partisans, even if they were Yugoslav. There are some reported episodes of Italian non-communist Partisans who were killed by Yugoslav Partisans. Check what I wrote the last time [2]. Hmmm, maybe it's "Stara Gorica", I know only a few words in Slovenian. Clap (talk) 16:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Italian Resistance was active on the whole territory occupied directly or indirectly by the Nazis after the Armistice with Allies was publicly declared (8 september 1943), so it was active also in the area of the NE border. The relation with the Yugoslav Partisans was very complex. In a few words, the Communists collaborated while the non-communist partisans tried to remain autonomous. There were some tragic episodes such as the one in Porzûs (described in Italian resistance movement). Clap (talk) 18:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NATO

We are having similar thinking about NATO and Croatia, so can you please help my poor english in "my" article Bolje pakt nego rat --Rjecina (talk) 04:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Pagania

Hi. You have edited on talk page in article Pagania about question if population of this state has been Serbs, South Slavs or Croats. After my comments on talk page that there is consensus between editors because result in user comments are 10:1 user in minority has demanded active discussion about this. Because of that all editors on talk page has been invited to write thinking so that this question ulmost 3 years after it is opened can be closed with vote.--Rjecina (talk) 00:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Next time when you start to edit article which is under dispute between established users and nationalistic SPA accounts can you please try not to make radical changes of original article which we try to protect [3] . I am banned for reverting because I have protected your POV version in time when I have been thinking that I am protecting original version of article.--Rjecina (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, so this user sneaked in the offending material [4]? Kubura, please take this as a serious warning. You cannot honestly believe that what you wrote there was making the article more neutral. Striving for NPOV is the absolutely most crucial obligation that every member of this project must follow, and failure to do so will ultimately get you sanctioned. Rjecina, sorry for blaming you for this, I can understand you may have overlooked these additions in the heat of battle. (But then again, that's precisely why fast revert-warring is so bad.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In this diff (your edit compared with the one you were mostly reverting to, ignoring Mike Babic's intermediate edits you removed) I was mainly referring to your replacement of "fled those areas as they were under Croatian military control" with "put themselves on the side of Serbian aggressor", and "ethnic conflict between the Orthodox Serbs and the Catholic Croats" with "military rebellion of Croatian Serbs, incited and encouraged from Serbia, as a part of Serbian campaign of military conquest of Croatia". Both of these are introducing rather blatantly tendentious material. You were also removing the whole section about ethnic cleansing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, to make your editing more constructive and yourself more accountable, I strongly urge you to always use edit summaries when making potentially sensitive edits. You very often don't. (Tip: Go to your account preferences and check the box "Editing"->"Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary". Very useful.) And make those edit summaries informative, they should clearly describe what you are changing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Hvala, ta informacija mi je bila jako potrebna. pozz- --Jesuislafete (talk) 20:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Serbo-Croatian, no thanks?

Hi! I'm the author of arebica. My principal interest are the writing systems. I was in fact not interested in language. I agree that creating a common Serbo-Croatian language was a political act. However creating two, three (Bosniak!) or even more (Montenegrin!) languages is a political act, too. There are simply no scientific rules to tell you wheather two speeches are two different languages or just two dialects of one language. The decision is always political and I don't claim that's wrong. My language - Slovenian - was formed as one language and it was a political act. The differencs between slovene dialects are very big - much bigger than the differences between Serbian and Croatian. Many slovene dialects ane mutually incomprehensible - those people understand each other only if they speak "literally slovene language" which is an artificial language. Using the same rules as in your (Serbian:Croatian) case would split our language to 7 or even 9 different languages (see article Slovene dialects). Some of these languages in fact existed in written and (half)official form in a certain period, e.g. the "Vindišar" language in Austria (again a political act - austrian authorities treated "Vindišar" (=local dialect) as a language different from Slovenian to avoid giving certain rights to slovene national minority). Don't let me be misunderstood - I don't want to force you to merge Serbian and Croatian language again, I'd just like to show you another point of view. In my opinion the main difference between Serbs and Croats is not the language but the culture. The project of Sebo-Croatian might have been successfull, if Serbians were culturally closer to you. But they aren't. Marino-slo (talk) 07:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SWik78

Thanks for support in my discussion with this user. Can you imagine that my favorite administrator (Fut.Perf.) has given him one of administrator tools ??
I am not only user stalked (in my thinking) by SWik78. Look User:GriffinSB ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjecina (talk • contribs) 16:29, 4 April 2008

Because of Fut.Perf. I can't protect article Croatia Records against POV SPA account. Because of earlier revert I have been warned by SWik78 ([5]) because in his words "edit that you reverted was made in good faith, even if it was incorrect and even if the user refuses to discuss the issue with you". All in all I am not having right to revert so.... Editor has been warned by me on his User talk:64.46.2.216 about NPOV policy but ... --Rjecina (talk) 19:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fut.Perf. has solved Croatia Records problem. --Rjecina (talk) 22:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kubura, Rjecina, please be sensible. Nobody is being stalked, and FPaS is one of the best Admins. Work on the articles, not the editors. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 22:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When I speak about stalking I speak about SWik78. Fut.Perf. is in story because he has given me revert ban and he has given one of administrator tools to SWik78 . I am not speaking that Fut.Perf. is stalking !!--Rjecina (talk) 22:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dalmatian Italians

Hi Kubura, I was wondering if you'd consider changing your vote for the page-move in the Dalmatian Italians article? We can't rename the article to a Croatian name because of Dalmatia being part of Montenegro as well. It may seem a small matter, but the place exists, and it actually houses more Dalmatian Italians than the rest of Dalmatia (weird, but true).
In any case this is not a step forward or step back in this matter, but it needs doing. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re

I know, I know, but what difference does it make whether you vote or not then? It is not likely we're going to get a deletion of this article (believe me, I've tried!) In any case, while I agree, I don't see why you are opposed to this renaming when the current version is also about a minority. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 14:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that, but you are also opposed to the current name so why oppose a rename from one "bad" name into an equally "bad" one? Also, while the proposed name is not the "cure" (you suggested) to the problems we're facing there, its a step in the right direction. That's why I hope you'll either withdraw your vote or change it.
Eventually, we may fix this up, and this would be something of a first step. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Diacritics-arbitration

Hi

I intend to send this argument about spelling the south Slavic names (Franjo Tuđman ,Novak Đoković etc. ) here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration

It seemss it's the only solution! --Anto (talk) 21:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Old case

Hi, OwenX.
 Please, take a look at this user user:209.215.160.101. Very similar IP-range to the one [6] you've been working on.
If you look at my report on ANI archive. Incivility. Do we have a new "family member" here? Sincerely, Kubura (talk) 09:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was over two and a half years ago. I think we should judge this based on the current vandalism, regardless of whether or not it's the same vandal. Owen× ☎ 01:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rulers of Croatia

I have noticed that you work on articles about Croatian rulers. This link can help you:

One more...

4.231.201.255 [8] and 4.231.201.127 [9] Is it possible that it's User:Pannonicus IP? Zenanarh (talk) 13:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Greater Slovenia

Take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Slovenia (2nd nomination). Slovenians try to delete the article Greater Slovenia as if the concept never existed. Please participate in the discussion. I have sourced to the best of my abilities. -- Imbris (talk) 21:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll say this only once. Stop posting messages regarding Greater Slovenia on my page as I will not answer them and will report you for harassment. This is not the proper way of dispute resolution. If you feel you have good enough material in your hands, feel free to open a WP:DRV. --Eleassar my talk 08:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Yugoslavian breakup

Can you please write on english difference between old and new Croatian constitution and place of Serbs in constitution. I am having problems. See 22 december 1990. Thanks--Rjecina (talk) 10:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Personal attacks from Slovenia

Hi

We have a problem here.

IP addresses

24.86.110.10 24.86.127.209

Anonymous user from Slovenia is insulting Croatia making personal attack on Croatian users and pushing his POV . What coud we do about it?

Moreover , he does the same thing on other articles:see here contributions: here --Anto (talk) 19:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aradic, don't jump to conclusions.
That user is not a Slovenian. AFAIK, our Slovenian colleagues on Wikipedia, never talked to me that way.
That unregistered user, that you've mentioned, was already blocked once because of his abusive language against Croat users (because they opposed to his POV attitudes) and generally, for his misbehaviour [10]. Kubura (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dalmatia

I was wondering how do you stand on the issue of Kotor and Neum being part of modern-day Dalmatia? I know they were certainly part of it historically, but then so was the whole of Bosnia at one period or another. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 18:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Italian Mare Nostrum

I proposed the deletion of Italian Mare Nostrum, here: [11]. Thought you might want to know in case you desire to get involved. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 16:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moje isprike

Ja se ispricavam za sve uvrede koje sam pisao na diskusionim stranama nekoh artikala sa ciljem da dokazem neke fakte. Znam da se to ne radi tako i da je van svakog civiliziranog odnosa. Medjutm neki od vasih nacionalisticki obojenih clanova su vredjali mene takodjer, a ja sam odgovarao istom mjerom. Kako da jest, kako vrijeme prolazi sve vise uvidjam da sam pogrjesio pisuci uvredljive rijeci, kome i da se odnose. Zato, pokusat cu da ih izbrisem i da ih popravim u prihvatljivima za civilizirani razgovor. Osobno imam puno hrvatskih prijatelja, iako sam jugoslavenski orijentiran. Radi toga i radi svoje ciste savjesti, MOLIM VAS PRIMITE MOJE ISPRIKE jos jednom, i neka svatko bude ono sta se osjeca, a kada se pojave suprotna misljenja-treba se naci kompromis. Molio bih vas prenesite moje isprike Mir Harven-u, Anti Perkovicu, Zanaisu i svima sa kojima sam 'se svadjao' na wikipediji. Veliki pozdrav i neka je Bog i razum uz nas. Uzdravlje.24.86.127.209 (talk) 06:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to amend WP:UE

I just made a draft of a proposal to amend WP:UE to avoid "reliable source" misuse. Take a look and tell me what do you think. Admiral Norton (talk) 23:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]