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We see that you need a little more understanding of Counter-Vandalism before you're granted Rollback. The Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy exists to help users, like yourself, understand the way to identify and handle Vandalism through one-on-one instruction. Perhaps you'd like to ask a question of our instructors, or perhaps Enroll in the Academy.
Hi Kosh,
I'll be your CVUA instructor and to start with I'd like you to read WP:Vandal. Let me know if you have any questions, and I can't wait to here back from you! Dan653 (talk) 02:13, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
1 - We deny recognition to trolls because it feeds their ego, as a result, it encourages them to continue vandalizing. "....We are all Kosh...."<-Babylon-5->11:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
How can you tell between a good faith user asking why you reverted their edit, and a troll trying to harass you? Also, please read WP:PROTECT and as a bonus, if you're up for it, read WP:HUMAN. Dan653 (talk) 20:32, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Getting tougher with those questions :) Anyrate, you tall tell the difference by the evidence A good faith user is going to have a history of good edits and would show compliance (for the most part) with the rules. A troll wouldn't. They'd show multiple instances of violating the rules even after being advised of that rule. If there's not a lot of evidence, then look at the edit, is it the first one ? is the user fairly new ? Does the edit itself meet the definition of vandalism ?
OK...
1. Pages should be semi-protected when there is edit warring (and no talking it out ) on talk pages by unregistered or un-confirmed accounts.
2. Pages should be fully protected in cases where there is edit warring by confirmed users (even if non-confirmed users are not involved ). It can also be used in the case of a dispute where the parties involved (when they're confirmed and or registered) aren't speaking to each other. This would prevent them from changing anything on the article and force them to at least propose the changed on the talk page, if not get them to achieve consensus.
3. Yes I am interested in rollback rights as I do patrol for vandalism quite a bit.
Rollback can be used to revert obvious vandalism, edits by banned users (banned not blocked ), I can also revert edits on my own page with it. "....We are all Kosh...."<-Babylon-5->22:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
You have now completed the CVUA curriculum. Next, there will be a three day monitoring period. If you have any questions just post them here. You can also request rollback rights now or when you graduate, it's up to you. Dan653 (talk) 22:57, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
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Congratulations from both myself and all of the instructors at the Counter Vandalism Unit Academy, on your successful completion of the CVUA curriculum and graduation from the Counter Vandalism Unit Academy! Dan653 (talk) 21:53, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
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Oh no I wasn't testing I was just editing in the (pbuh) because it's proper. I edited again the rest but that was before I saw your message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.33.30 (talk) 20:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay sir and like i said I put it in the second time before I read your message so don't want you to think I did it on purpose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.33.30 (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Milne edits
Not sure what edits you are talking about. I cannot see that you have removed any of my edits,maybe you can actually point them out as they are not logged anywhere.Zrdragon12 (talk) 12:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Unrelated, but please consider changing your edit summary for reverting the addition of material unsuitable for Wikipedia. "RM NONSENE" in caps is... overkill, and may unnecessarily offend people if you somehow make a mistake in your reverts. Thanks. wctaiwan (talk) 12:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
The Margaret Cho quote was not nonsense. i can see someone disagreeing with putting the quote there, but it was placed there in good faith. If you think the quote was inappropriate, i wont revert, but it is a quote from WikiQuotes.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Get Your Heart On!
I don't know how your anti-vandal tool is operating, but you reverted the correct song title (You Suck At Love → You Suck Off) and Chuck Comeau's name to Chuckie Comeau after another user undid the vandalism. [1]ZappaOMati18:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
I've removed a portion of your comment at WP:AN [2]. I left the WHOIS result, as that is so easily found that it doesn't make much sense to remove it, but I have removed your tying that IP to a specific job. WP:OUTING is complicated, fuzzy, and sometimes in contradiction to WP:COI, and this isn't a 100% clearcut case, but we really need to err on the side of not outing anyone. if you disagree, please discuss rather than revert; questions of outing supersede the usual BRD cycle. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Kosh, you seriously need to stop charging around like you own Wikipedia and you can just tell everyone what's what. A broad spectrum of other users have pointed put the various ways you have misinterpreted policy yet you just keep charging about like you know everything. Believe it or not these criticisms are intended to help you to understand where you are going wrong and to encourage you to put more thought into your actions. please, slow down. Before you make an edit that you think is backed by a particular policy, carefully re-read the section of the policy that you believe supports your edit and make sure this is the case. Generally it is considered extremely poor form to remove a user's own comments from their own talk page. Malleus already asked Blofeld to stop posting, and yet he persisted. Personally I have already gone on record with my position that in a scenario like this it is appropriate and sometimes even necessary to use language we may not use in the normal course of editing. There is certainly not a consensus that such a remark may be summarily removed by a third party, especially using any sort of "anti-vandal tool" as this suggests that Malleus was vandalizing, which is clearly not the case. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Beeblebrox, I'm hardly charging around. I edit at about 2 edits per minute :) Anyrate, I actually hear you. You're stating that if a user continues to post on your talk page after you've asked them not to, that's it's ok to be a bit rude in a message to them. I get that it's your interpretation. Bear in mind the actual policy civil doesn't actually allow for that.
Yes, it would be nice to be able to bend policy here and there, but at this point, it doesn't exist, therefore I can only enforce what's there. So, in this case, I'm enforcing the civility policy.
Regarding the anti-vandal tool, that's how I found the edit to begin with, it looks for a list of "bad words" and points them out to me. It's up to me to click the undo button (and of course I take responsibility for any use of that button).
Belive it or not, I do actually check edits first if there's any doubt, and I will usually leave that edit as-is if I have any doubt that it needs to be there (and I have ).
Do you follow ? KoshVorlon.We are all Kosh ... 11:50, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Your interpretation of the civility policy seems to be that any "bad word" edit, even on a user's own talk page, must be censored by self appointed civility enforcers like yourself. What about the incivility of posting to a user's talk page after you have been asked nicely to stop? Why didn't you remove that as well since it was abundantly clear that Malleus had already asked them to stop? Your interpretation of of the civility policy seems overly simplistic, and there is pretty much no reason, ever, to remove a user's own remarks from their talk page without their consent unless there is a privacy issue or something that is actually a problem, not just a " bad word." This is not a kindergarten, users are in fact allowed to use such language. I don't know how old you are but Malleus is an adult. I think his mother stopped telling him how to speak a long time ago. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:17, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
You're right. I belive in "K.I.S.S" as a rule, so yes, I view policy in the simplest possible terms. To answer your question, if someone's posting on your page after you've asked them to stop, then you get an admin, use dispute resolution, as these are recommended by policy. Policy does now allow for swearing at them (and yes, I screw this up myself - but I make no excuses about it, nor would I allow it to remain on my page )
And for the record, I'm an adult as well.
Like I said, I understand what you're saying, and I even agree with it, but currently policy doesn't support it. Why not propose that the civility policy be updated to match your view ? I would certainly vote to accept such a thing, as I told you I agree with it. KoshVorlon.We are all Kosh ... 18:27, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
I defy you to show me any policy that explicitly justifies removing a users own comment from their own talk page because it contained "swearing". And, once again you seemed to have missed the point of a page you cite. WP:KISS is a guide for writing policy, not a guide on how to read and understand it. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:53, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't mean K.I.S.S as the policy, I mean the general definition "Keep It Simple S<censored >d " (again, not the policy ). As to your other request, removeUncivil lists it as an option, but certainly not the only option. KoshVorlon.We are all Kosh ... 19:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Did you seriously just self-censor the word "stupid"? I give up. Your are hopelessly infantile and I can see no reason to continue trying to jam a little sense into your thick skull. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
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I got a message saying my recent edit didn't seem to be constructive... how so? It was in the same vein as the Family Guy example combined with a bit of the Discworld wrong message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.115.140 (talk) 18:56, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Bible errata
It doesn't seem any more trivial than some of the others, but whatever, if it's going to sully the good name of the bible errata page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.115.140 (talk) 19:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
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