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Thank you for your kind words! After this month and the NPP backlog drive I hope to create some more articles, though now I'm autopatrolled it's a bit less work for others to review. -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Teresa Rojas Rabiela, external links tag.
Dear Kj cheetham, I refer to the External links tag on the Teresa Rojas Rabiela article. I have reduced the external links from 5 to 3 ¿Do you think is possible to remove the tag? If it is, please I ask you to remove it. Thanks in advance. Eduardo Ruiz Mondragón (talk) 23:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Eduardo Ruiz Mondragón, thank you for the edit, though the issue was more to do with external links in the main body of the article. But I've just removed the links to other websites, and fixed the interlanguage links, and removed the tag. Hope that helps. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Kj cheetham!
Many thanks for the note you shared in the page Laura Messing that I started. I appreciate you adding these details while I humbly cruise my first steps as a contributor :)
I've been working in including categories, links and brushed up a few errors you pointed out. I was wondering when would it be appropriate to delete the note, do you have any suggestions/ tips for me to continue making it better?
Sending good thoughts on your day!
Melloncita Melloncita (talk) 11:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Melloncita, thanks for your message! Categories look good, I see the article now has links to it and so I've removed the orphan tag, and I've done a couple of minor tweaks myself too. I've not proof-read it or looked at the sources, but you should be aware about the different types of sources outlined at WP:PSTS. Basically you don't want too many sources written by the subject or the institution they work for, etc. You may want to ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists (or even join that project if you haven't already) for more specific help. Hope that helps! -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Kj cheetham, many thanks for your reply and for kindly having checked the categories and removed the orphan tag. I will follow your lead re joining/checking Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists project, and will continue to research on different sources. Thank you once again for this! and for your recent tweaks. All my best, -Melloncita Melloncita (talk) 14:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Just letting you know that I've unreviewed this page and moved it to draft. There's likely a UPE issue, the page was created by a sock. See this SPI for more information. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 13:54, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Have a question about this article Nicholas J. Ayala
Hello,
Recently I edited this article and added some references, wikilinks, and Image(with copyright permission). Suddenly, noticed that the promotional template. Which part of the article needs to improve. Since I told you I'm new to Wikipedia and still learning to improve myself.
Yes, I asked him/her. But could you please look at the article for a while. What need to be improve. Because, in future it will help me to make any article clean.🙏 Goldabrun (talk) 17:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
The first thing is given your comment at User_talk:MrsSnoozyTurtle#Have_a_question_about_this_article_Nicholas_J._Ayala and the image you uploaded, it seems like you know the subject? In which case this is a potential conflict of interest and so I've left a separate message about that on your talk page with some hopefully helpful links, plus a note on the talk page of the article. In any case, I've not reviewed the article carefully, but a big thing to be aware of is the difference between WP:PRIMARY sources (i.e. written by the subject or their company) and WP:SECONDARY sources (i.e. written about the subject, often independantly), as per WP:PSTS. Wikipedia articles should be mostly based on secondary sources.
As an example, the sentance "Ayala is a coach and shares his entrepreneurial experience to educate people about the importance of teamwork in an organizational structure." looks promotional to me, and looking at the source attached to it (https://www.ibtimes.com/nick-ayala-being-ideal-leader-competitive-business-world-3602155), that is a contributed source, not subject to editorial oversight, and serves to promote the subject. It doesn't seem to even mention the word "coach". It's unclear who wrote it, which makes me think it might have been commissioned by the subject. Generally when thinking about sources, it's also worth thinking what sources are WP:RELIABLE. Hope that helps. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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DYK for Elcho Castle
On 3 November 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Elcho Castle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Elcho Castle never saw combat, but was nearly burned down by a mob in 1773? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elcho Castle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Elcho Castle), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi Billsmith60, thanks for your message. I'd agree it probably is time for someone to close it ideally, as it's been over a week. However I don't tend to get involved with merge requests, and try to avoid political articles where possible, so I'm recommend finding someone else to close it. You may even want to ask at WP:RFCLOSE, though that's typically not fast. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:21, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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On 11 November 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sundrum Castle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the fall of Sundrum Castle was alluded to in a poem by Robert Chambers in the 19th century and was later referred to as a curse? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sundrum Castle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sundrum Castle), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Good morning! I few weeks back, you (kindly) pointed out that I would benefit from reading the definition of "Minor edit" more closely (done). You also mentioned in passing that I could bounce "any issues" off of you (hope I'm not misreading this). May I ask you to have a quick look at an article I've been working on? This is my first attempt at a ground-up contribution, so I'd really like to get it right. The draft is here:
Apart from any general advice/guidance on the overall piece (tone, syntax, referencing, layout, etc.) you'd be willing to share, I'm wondering what the next step is— should I publish "as is", submit for review, or is there some other path one should follow? (Also, unsure how to add relevant Categories and WikiProjects while working in the Draft space.) Many thanks, ~~~~ Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Cl3phact0 Thank you for your message, am always happy to help where I can! Just glancing at it quickly (I've not proof-read it), overall it looks good. You shouldn't have any external links in the "See also" section though as that's just for wikilinks (as per WP:SEEALSO), you need a separate "External links" section for those (see WP:ELCITE) which would come after "References" - I've fixed that for you. You don't put Categories on Draft articles as per WP:DRAFTNOCAT, though you can put extra colons on to disable them in the short-term. I've added some WikiProject tags to the talk page for you, but they wouldn't be rated until the article is published. In theory you could just move it to mainspace yourself, but I generally recommend if it's your first article it should be submitted through WP:AFC, and there's a "Submit the draft for review!" button that does that. Be aware there is a backlog at AFC, so it may take a few weeks before it's reviewed. WikiQuote is also not a reliable source, so I'd suggest replacing that reference with something better. Hope that helps! -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Yes, that helps! Thank you very much. I'll try to find some more time next few days to refine it a bit more taking your advice into consideration, and then I guess I'll just hit that "Submit" button and see what happens. Cheers, ~~~~ Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for everything you do. Can I just ask you to not touch the assessments on any talk pages with the WP Scotland banner for a few days? I'm in the middle of reactivating my assessment bot and am using Scotland articles to tweak the weightings as most of them haven't changed for 10+ years, it just throws things a bit when pages like Talk:John Playfair change!!! Cheers FlagSteward (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I've already shared with you my connection with this person before. A few days ago the image and some text were removed by MrsSnoozyTurtle. But permission was already taken from Wikimedia commons for the image. Now I want to add it back. Also, I've created a request to edit, on the article talk page. But I didn't receive a response from anyone. So, how can I add the image and the references to the article. Please suggest to me🙏🙏
Hi Goldabrun. For the edit request, I suggest patience I'm afraid, as there is a significant backlog and it's all handled by volunteers. I'd recommend being more specific on your edit request exactly what you want and where references should go though, as that'll make it easier for someone to process. For the article, it looks like an admin (Kuru) removed some sources as they weren't reliable sources (as per WP:RS), before MrsSnoozyTurtle did some further editing. Regarding the image, I'm not overly familar with copyrights, but looking at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nickolas_J._ayala.jpg if it's still copyrighted I don't see how it's also licensed under Creative Commons. I suggest asking at WP:TEAHOUSE for someone who may be able to help you more. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
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Hello!
I wanted to ask you a quick question about the close paraphrasing tag that was placed on Andres De Los Reyes. I looked over the page this morning and I cannot find any close paraphrasing between the page and the external source listed in the tag. I went through the version history and saw that several revisions to the page had been made since the tag was placed. If you have the time, could you look over the page and assess whether the template message about close paraphrasing still applies? If the message is still relevant, please let me know what I can do to further remedy the issue.
Whilst I'd expect some phrases to be duplicated, like "Director of the Comprehensive Assessment and Intervention Program", because that's the name of something, the sentance "He uses these paradigms to test questions using experimental, controlled observation, naturalistic, and quantitative review research designs" from the article is very similar to "I leverage these paradigms to test questions using a suite of experimental, controlled observation, naturalistic, and quantitative review designs" from the webpage. That's just an example. I hope that helps. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, in 2021 I created an article about a scientist Wojciech Karlowski and you kindly helped me to publish it. Now, I noticed that there is a tag on the article informing about my possible connection to the subject. Unfortunately, I was not aware that this may be a problem. I'm related to the subject but the article is based on pure and well documented facts. There is no personal opinion or anything subjective in the article. Could you please advise how should I proceed now? Should I delete the article or is there any way to remove the tag? I just don't want to leave it like this. Thank you a lot and best regards. -- Msciszewianka (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi Msciszewianka I've had a closer look than I did previously. I've tagged the article talk page about your conflict of interest, and left some further information on your own talk page. It doesn't look overly subjective to me, so I've removed the tag you referred to, but I've added another tag as most of the references are primary. There should be more references which are secondary (i.e. not written by the subject or their institution) to back it up, especially when several of the facts don't seem to be verified and hence may need to be removed at some point. I hope this helps at least partially. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, thank you very much for your support. To be honest, the situation is quite difficult for me because I created this article purely as a source of information for the community. There is no conflict of interest or promotional or any other similar purpose. I will also confirm it on my talk page because I hope to contribute more to the Wikipedia in the future, of course, following the Wikipedia rules. Unfortunately, it seems there is a problem associated with this article that I didn’t know about and therefore, maybe the best way would be to just remove the article.
I'm sorry to hear it's difficult, though I can understand. Because of your relationship, it's an WP:ACTUALCOI even if not being promotion, but should also be aware that that's just a statement of fact (see WP:COINOTBIAS). You can still make some uncontraversial edits to the article (as per WP:COIADVICE and WP:COISELF). If you do want to go down the deletion route in the end, neither of us can just delete the article. Would need to open an WP:AFD discussion (which I can do for you) which lasts for 7 days before an administrator either marks it to keep or deletes it. As it's a biography of a living person, WP:BLPDELETE applies. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the missing references, as far as I understand I’m not allowed to edit this article anymore. Therefore, I would like to explain them in detail:
- 3-month internship in Cologne – there is a document confirming it, however, it is not published on the web, and for this reason it cannot be cited. Of course, I can send it to you. If this is not enough, this sentence should be removed.
I'll just delete the sentance. It needs to be verifiable by others not just me. It doesn't need to be a source that's online, but it should be published at least (e.g. in a book in a library).
- 1997-2000 Postdoctoral Fellowship at UCLA – the same as above, documents are available. However, the affiliations from the Reference #3 clearly confirm the presence at UCLA and the name of the PI. He is also mentioned as a former Postdoc at the webpage of Ann Hirsch Lab: https://sites.lifesci.ucla.edu/mcdb-hirschlab/people-2/
I'll add that as a reference too, but that isn't verified is the date range, so I've just removed that part.
- 2001-2004 Scientist in Munich – the same as above, documents are available. However, the affiliations from the References #4, 5, 6 and 7 clearly confirm the presence at MIPS and the name of the PI.
Again I'll remove the specific date range, as that's not verified.
- One of his most scientific achievements during that time – this is a statement based on scientific work published at that time – the Reference #7 was published in the most influential journal with a high impact factor (IF). This is an objective statement, not personal.
To me that just confirms it's a significant achievement, not it's "one of his most". I'll edit it slightly.
Hope my most recent edits help. Even something like a published CV would verify the dates. However overall the article still suffers from a lack of secondary sources. They are mostly still primary. Secondary sources help to show notability, beyond what the subject writes themselves. You may also wish to get additional help at the WP:TEAHOUSE, as I've probably done all I can with regards editing it at this stage. The only other thing I can potentially do is open a deletion discussion to argue they are not sufficiently notable, which I generally try to avoid doing. The criteria by which academics are determined to be notable or not is WP:NPROF. Hopefully this doesn't overly complicate things. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Dear Kj cheetham, I would like to thank you one more time for your support and your edits. I will search for additional references to confirm the dates and for secondary sources as well. It can take a while. I hope the deletion process will not be necessary. Could you please only remove the [according to whom?] since this is not 'one of his most scientific achievements' anymore and the reference confirms that this is a scientific achievement? Thank you and all the best, -- Msciszewianka (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Kj cheetham! I have been making some userboxes for some pretty awesome Wikipedians (you can look on my userpage for the ones I've made so far), and I was wondering what photo you want for the userbox? Thanks! MasterMatt12💬 ● Contributions23:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi MasterMatt12, thank you for your message, it's much appreciated! Maybe an image like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Plasma-lamp_2.jpg ? I'm a bit uncomfortable about the "hopes he can one day be an admin" bit though as it's feels like potential canvassing (WP:CANVASS), and I'm not sure if I even want to be an admin really either! Maybe you could change it to something about science or biographies or castles? As those are the areas I tend to look at mostly. Maybe that I would like to own a Scottish castle one day, or something like that? :) -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Also, I'm not quite sure about the Scottish castle thing, because the message is something that other users want for you, like I put for PCN02WPS "and hopes he can win the WikiCup" so I could say "and hopes that he can own a Scottish castle", which could work, or something else if you would like. MasterMatt12💬 ● Contributions14:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
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I have added the author deletion tag as i want to categorise this article for Speedy deletion and i would appreciate if you don't revert my edit. I have blanked the page in goodwill as I'm allowed to.
This page is causing more problems than its worth and it's already marked afd so I'm escalating the process. Hoping for ur cooperation! Panthermail (talk) 08:35, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Panthermail, that doesn't seem like goodfaith blanking to me, it seems like trying to circumvent the AfD process. It is not suitable for G7 speedy deletion because other people have already edited quite a few times. Being the author doesn't mean you own the content. Please comment on the AfD if you have a case for it to be deleted. Further blanking of content will likely only be seen as disruptive editing. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello Kj cheetham, I hope you are well. May I ask your advice on a matter of decorum? I recently made some fairly significant changes to a previously rejected draft article about Yinka IloriMBE. (He was on my list of people to write about, and I'm not entirely certain how I initially stumbled across the rejected draft, though I've now figured out that piece of the puzzle.) My question is: Is it okay to edit someone else's drafts (in Draft namespace) if they have not yet been submitted? (I've found another draft of an article about someone who I had also though of writing about, but this one hasn't yet been submitted — so I didn't want to inadvertently step on anyone's toes.) Thanks for you help (once more). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi Cl3phact0, thanks for your message! As you hopefully know, it is policy that no one WP:OWNs an article, and as per WP:DRAFT, "anyone, including users who are not logged in, may create and edit drafts." This is part of collaborating after all. If you're doing signifcant changes to a draft another editor has recently been working on, it might be worthwhile leaving them a courtesy message on their talk page, though I'd imagine they'd quickly see your changes if they are watching the page. If it's a draft created by a newer editor, they may not appreciate any removal of what they consider to be "their" content. I've not looked at the specifics of the drafts you mentioned though. I'd be much less inclined to edit draft articles in userspace though, as opposed to draftspace. Hope that helps! -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:29, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Opinion regarding Zubeen Garg discography
Hey! I had to say something regarding both the articles list of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg and Zubeen Garg discography. The discography article was created a year ago but the songs recorded article was created years back so i think that giving a notability question mark on "list of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg" doesn't seem to be accurate rather it should be on the discovery article as the article is very unorganised and poorly sourced.
Discographymen, thank you for your message! That's fair enough. I primarily tagged it the way round I did because I was assuming "Zubeen Garg discography" was a more appropriate title, though MOS:DISCOGRAPHY wasn't completely clear to me. The two articles don't cover exactly the same scope, but I still don't believe both are needed, so I'll have a think about that. I'll swap the tags in the meantime though. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your response! I think the article "list of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg" is necessary as it contains 1000+ songs and it would make the main article "Zubeen Garg" very large and chaotic. Also, it is sourced with more than 400 references and according to this it can be a stand alone article. Discographymen (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
I definitely don't think it should be added to the main article, I just think it doesn't need both the "list of" and "discography" articles. I'll propose a merge. -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Zubeen Garg
Hello admin, can you please see Zubeen Garg's page. One user continuously adding fake award nominations while National Film awards never published any official nomination list. Clearly fan made edits Rtyggu (talk) 08:58, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi Rtyggu, I'm not an admin, just a regular volunteer. I'm not familar with what are reliable sources in this area, so I may not be able to help. I suggest raising the issue on the article's talk page though so other editors can comment. You may also wish to seek help at the WP:TEAHOUSE. Just be careful to not edit war. -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:09, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Greetings ... you made an aedit to the article and deleted a wiki link to Spring hill cemetary. Can you tell me why the edit was necessary? Many thanks ... Risk Engineer (talk) 14:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi Risk Engineer, thanks for your message. You're referring to [1], which was removing an external link (EL). As per WP:ELNO, external links like that are not permitted. To quote reference 7 in particular from that page, "Links to websites are permitted when the website has been used as a WP:Reliable source, but they should not be placed in the body of the article to direct readers to the organization's website or merely to verify that the organization exists, or that it has a website." -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
For some time my HotCat has not been working. I don't see any prompts to add categories at the bottom of the page. I tried disabling and enabling it, however, it did not help. Is the tool still functional?HRShami (talk) HRShami (talk) 06:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi HRShami, thanks for your message, and sorry for my slow reply to your quick question! WP:HOTCAT is working fine for me, and disabling and enabling it is about the limit of my ability to trouble shoot it. Maybe ask on the HotCat talk page or WP:TEAHOUSE for help if it's still not working? -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks. I just dropped a message there.HRShami (talk)
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Thank you. I will remove the tag. I am doing light edits to a page that was set up some time ago by someone else. I may add references as time permits. Eleanor Windsong0425 (talk) 19:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Page titles
Hello Kj cheetham can you please explain your stance on refusing a move to use of plurals on page names. I am familiar with WP:Singular but there are always exceptions, and the use of plural on all the page titles (many longstanding, and of which there are many more) I gave as examples are evidence of this. For redirect purposes in many cases the use of a plural name avoids the use of an ambiguation page. --Iztwoz (talk) 18:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Iztwoz, thanks for your message. I'm not refusing it, I only made a comment and contested it as a technical request on procedural grounds. It was UtherSRG who contested it last time ([2]) and hence it's now a WP:PCM and so should go to a full WP:RM discussion. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Kj cheetham. After your post at the Teahouse and my comment on the Talk Page of Peter Kimbowa I had a look at the article itself. It is in a very poor state, with multiple external links in the text, in violation of WP:ELPOINTS. Some of these could be turned into citations but most need to be removed entirely. Is this something you are motivated to do? Let me know here, where I'll be looking out for your comment. If you don't want to do the tidy-up, I'll give it a go. I'll also make sure the COI editor doesn't add anything they shouldn't. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Michael D. Turnbull, I've mostly given up with it already, so over to you. I trimmed the ELs, but the vast bulk of it is unsourced and/or promo, so it probably needs cutting down a lot I suspect. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Others have removed those links and added more tags for problems with the article, so I'm going to leave it alone: I've no interest in dealing with the remaining problems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
They aren't feeling the wikilove but I am. Good job. Their work is strikingly decent. Please continue to be as kind as you can. They came to my userpage today to ask how to handle your critique (which read). I myself see no issue with your talk page contributions. Be gentle. They might learn to be an excellent wikipedian one day, like you have demonstrated of yourself recently. Thanks again and call on me if I can help. BusterD (talk) 23:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi BusterD, thank you for your message and kind words, I shall endeavour to be kind! Looks like things escalated a bit on their talk page, but things seem to be resolved now. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, thanks for highlighting the inappropriate use of external links in the Essays section of this article. I have now removed them. Hopefully it's now ok for the template message to be removed. Smallsafari (talk) 10:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi! Thank you for letting me know about the use of external links in this article. Could you please let me know if I've revised them appropriately? If so, could you also remove the template? Thanks Kmalco13 (talk) 04:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi Kmalco13, thanks for your message! There are no more external links in the main text of the article, so I've removed the template. Let me know if any issues in the future! -Kj cheetham (talk) 21:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hello Kj--thanks so much for making this article better and cleaning up my infobox photo addition--my first time with an infobox, so I have a lot to learn. I'm writing to ask about the potential copyright issue you flagged. I'd like to help resolve that issue if I can. In fact, I'd like to make the whole piece better. I couldn't believe there wasn't even a photo of this amazing filmmaker!
One more quick question: I don't understand why there are two television sections toward the bottom of the article. One says it needs expansion, but I'm thinking the longer television section below it takes care of that. Perhaps I'm missing something?
Regarding the two Television sections, good question! I don't see why there are two... they should probably be combined into a single one, but the first one is roles as an actor, the 2nd is roles as a director/write/producer/creator, so I'm not sure how best to combine them or otherwise make it clearer. You might want to ask at WP:TEAHOUSE for assistance.
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Hi! I saw that you added project assessments for Angela Merkel; all of the classify the article as B-class. However, the top-level template labels it C-class as of a recent reassessment by User:Wow. Is there a particular reason for the difference between the project assessments and the general assessment? Actualcpscm (talk) 12:02, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi Actualcpscm, thanks for your message! I absolutely disagree it should have been recently rated as C-class. It seems my semi-automated rating tool (WP:RATER) doesn't understand the general assessments, so only set the project ones when I classed it as B. I'll look into asking if the tool itself can be updated going forward though as I know the general ones are slowly becoming preferred than individual project ratings. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification! I think the brief downgrade was due to a lot of CN tags being placed in the article, but that‘s been resolved with the editor who originally reassessed it. Happy editing! Actualcpscm (talk) 09:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
I'm reaching out to you as you recently gave me feedback on an edit that I made. I just created an article for Colin Leonard and was informed that it is being discussed for a speedy deletion. Can you check it out and let me know what I need to do on my end to keep it up?
Landplane123, thanks for your message. I'll have a better look later, but wanted to note that's not a speedy deletion discussion, it's a regular AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colin Leonard which lasts at least 7 days typically, and others will comment as well before anything happens. Also note that pointing out that other similar articles exist often isn't a valid arguments as per WP:OTHERSTUFF. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:56, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks so much for checking it out. I added an award as well as Colin Leonard placing #2 on Jaxsta's top 50 mastering engineers of 2022. Hopefully that will add to his notability.
I'm not familar enough with music notability guidelines to comment on the AfD really (beyond referring to WP:GNG), but adding references showing award certainly does no harm for notability. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hello Kj cheetham, thank you for following-up on the recently published Cheryl McKissack Daniel article (my first AfC review). I noticed that you moved the {{WIR-00-2023}} wrapper template into the banner shell. Can you have a glance at my note in Talk explaining why I placed it where I did, and let me know if any objection to my moving out again? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Ok thanks for letting me know. This is partly a question of usage of the c. 300 existing WIR wrapper templates, but the main issue surrounding this is really a proposal to merge all of these wrappers in to one. It's a bit over my head technically, however I've been drawn into the discussion (perhaps to my detriment), as I do see the merit in keeping the system largely as it is. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
I don't have an hour to read all the other threads, but looks like two main issues there - including about merging the various WIR together, and whether WIR templates should be inside the banner shell. The first seems to have stemmed from Template_talk:WikiProject_banner_shell#Detecting_duplicate_banners, but the latter is what I'm concerned with here.
I'd asked about WIR in the banner shell in 2021 at Template_talk:WIR#Inside_or_outside_the_banner_shell?. The tool I use for rating automatically puts many of the WIR templates into the banner shell, which I fully support. I see absolutely no reason why the WIR project warrants the banners being outside the shell. So until there is consensus, ideally beyond the WIR project, I will contine to move those banners into the shell as the Rater tool already does. It would cause me (and other who do similar) more work if anything to stop doing that as well.
Thank you for the links to these resources. I'm not surprised that this has been the subject of previous discussion, and am glad to now have links to find these. WP:RATER looks intriguing as well – may well be adding this one to the toolbox, so thanks for that too!
I'll try to read as much of the above as I can so as to better understand your point of view. Point taken about the amount of sunk hours in this and wouldn't dream of asking anyone to read the whole of it. I tried to briefly summarise my thinking here (second paragraph – which seems like it may pull in the other direction). I'm an aesthete and think of the wrappers as a aide-memoire flourish of sorts, but there seem to be important technical/workflow issues at stake too. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm more a scientist, so I look at things from a more technical point of view I suspect. I did wonder if a wrapper within a wrapper might be an option, but that would just hide the WIR templates further. I'm also trying to approach things from a Wikipedia-wide viewpoint, rather than just a single project (though I fully support WIR in principle). The shell banner itself is currently undergoing a lot of discussion at Template talk:WikiProject banner shell, but that's a whole other kettle of fish! -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Scientists and artists are cut from the same cloth (in my view). Both make things of enduing beauty, the enlightened creative processes by which they arrive are not dissimilar, and the best science is aesthetically stunning ;-) Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello Kj cheetham, reaching out to you for discussing on the addition of Cleanup tag and Puffery tag by you. I appreciate recent re-organization of content but instead of deleting my contributions would like to understand what the problems with the information were that I added on the life of Lancelot Ribeiro. To the best of my knowledge, I am being objective in my approach on describing his life and career. Would like to discuss the ways forward to remove the above-mentioned tags and continue positive contribution to bettering the article as art lovers.
SDhivar, thanks for your message. I previously only removed a single word, "prodigious", which is a WP:PEACOCK term. The formatting has been improved overall since I placed the cleanup tag on 28 June, so I corrected some bold in the lede, reformatting the images, and removed that template just now. I've done a bit of minor editing of the text and removed the puffery tag too. I also removed the verification tag at the top and placed one on the specific section that is unreferrenced. I hope this helps. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt reply and actions. I appreciate the transparency in our discussion. I have gone through the puffery help section on Wikipedia. I am starting to get a hang of it. Still, thanks for the formatting. 
Regarding the verification of the statement by The Independent, I have added the citation/reference. For the quote by Lancelot Ribeiro in the Commonwealth Institute Lecture, I tried searching for the original source but so far have been able to find the same quote in several other London Art gallery websites like Ben Uri and also the official website of Lancelot Ribeiro. Let me know if you are able to find the source. Regarding the section name 'Career' after the 'Influence and Critical Reception' what should it be renamed as?
SDhivar Sorry for my slow reply, I forgot to reply to this! Thanks for adding a source. For the quote reference, I think the official website is sufficient for a quote, so I've added that, and removed the "no refs" tag from that section. I hadn't noticed there are two 'Career' sections! Maybe you could combine then and move 'Influence and critical reception' further down? Or re-arrange things a bit into "Early career" (for 1960s/70s) and "Later career" (1980s onwards), or something like that. I'm not sure what's best. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
New Wikipedia page about "fashion" and bigotry in science
I am Eva Redei, MS, PhD, Professor Emerita from Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine. I do not want to waste your time (nor mine), but you seem to be a person who is seriously interested in science.
If this topic interests you please get back to me. 108.160.195.235 (talk) 13:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your message. I am interested in science, but I am not interested in collaborating and I don't take requests for new articles. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:28, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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I believed it is an error, probably because you are the person who created the page, that is why it notified you. Honestly, looking at the revision history, I'm still quite confused. 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥(ContainThisEmber?)01:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
YesI'mOnFire, thanks for your reply. It going to me as I created the page makes sense. However the revision history for that page is relatively straightforward:
Looking at your own talk page, I seriously suggest you become more familar with requirements for CSD before tagging further pages, or you may risk your activities being seen as disruptive. In this particular case, it was absolutely not appropriate for it to be tagged with WP:U5, especially given the history of the page. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:04, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
The point is I didn't read the revision history beforehand so I didn't know that the user completely replaced all of the previous version with the draft.
